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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Off to dinner! I'll post a full report on all the things that happened over the last two days sometime tomorrow. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
nice flavor post though. Off to bed | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
why was mKmKmK not modkilled? He failed to vote. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5261 Posts
sigh | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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drwiggl3s
Canada167 Posts
BKExe gained first suspicions. Votes were put on him. His posting increased at a rapid rate where he wasn't so much as defending himself as he was putting suspicion on others. There was also a increase of posting by a few others who were soft defending him while pointing fingers at others. mkmkmk get read as scum by numerous people. All while being pretty much just missing in action. Votes are pushed to him as an easy D1 lynch. Somehow (I have no clue how his posts were read as scum), people hint and drop Fox's name as a possible scum candidate. After testing the waters, a bandwagon is launched on him and it get's the votes. This lynch not only killed a fellow town, but it also netted 0 information on who else could be scum. I'd like to throw suspicion on those who are actively throwing suspicion onto others. As the people they are reading as scum are giving me no sense of scumminess at all. While the people who do appear scummy seem to have a team of like minded individuals backing up their claims and dismissing others. For the love of town, if you're town, don't settle for these mislynches. If we were going to lynch someone, it should have been someone that actually had people defending them. At least this way their death (in vain or not) would give us some valuable information on the people posting in this thread. Any lynch that doesn't support this idea, is a lynch that is proposed by the mafia, and we should look to those who propose it as our next targets. | ||
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drwiggl3s
Canada167 Posts
PS. @ Mattchew Foxtrot by all means did NOT deserve the noose he got. He posted late, and said sorry for being busy. Is that an obvious "scum post"? Yes. So obvious that any scum with any sense would NOT post it. Any read on him being scum tells more about the person pointing fingers than it does on Foxtrot himself. Also, why should we noose twelve next? Did he push the bandwagon any more than you when it came to Foxtrot? No. Do you simply want to noose him or discredit him because he made some very good arguments in the past against you and towards the idea that BKEXE is scum? I'll let my fellow town member answer that last one themselves. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
Is it the "sorry to be late, I'll catch up" thing that raised suspicion on me, too? | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
Tbh, drwiggl3s and myself would probably be the best options. There's different people defending both of us so we can get reads on these no matter if the lynched guy flips red or green. Hopefully not blue lol. I think mattchew's analysis is hilariously bad. I just don't know if he's doing that on purpose or not. The way the game is played right now, town puts a lot of faith in him and ET so we should try to find out early if mattchew's and ET's analysis is any good in this game. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
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drwiggl3s
Canada167 Posts
The only justification I can think of for the Foxtrotter wagon, was that there was a tie between BroodKingExe, Foxtrotter, and mkmkmk. Since they couldn't push enough votes onto mkmkmk to ensure BroodKingexe wouldn't get ninja lynched by some last minute votes, they sprung a new bandwagon on Foxtrotter. I do agree with Bill Murray in that some people who pushed for the Foxtrotter wagon need to be lynched. Although I'm curious as to who he thinks would be a good target. To me, the best target is already apparent. But since I have no good town read or scum read on Bill, I'd like to hear what he thinks. | ||
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drwiggl3s
Canada167 Posts
See how it excludes BKexe for example? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18326 Posts
The choice between mK and foxtrotter is still pretty null in my book. Marvellosity made a case against foxtrotter for being a hypocrit. ET made a case against mK for kenpachi rule. Other than these two things both were lurkers. I ended up sheeping marvellosity because I liked his case a bit more. Turns out that was wrong. + Show Spoiler [votecount] + mKmKmK - 6 rastaban Kurumi Vivax austinmcc Foxtrotter grush57 BroodKingEXE - 6 Katina ShiaoPi drwiggl3s Bill Murray Mandalor layabout casualman - 2 BroodKingEXE casualman Foxtrotter - 11 Marvellosity Mattchew Acrofales EchelonTee s0Lstice Hyaach VisceraEyes MajuGarzett NoSmurfHere Twelve ghost_403 Mandalor - 1 Adam4167 No vote: mKmKmK There's a few things I want to draw from the votecount. The first is that mK never even showed up to vote, so he should get modkilled or replaced. I don't think it's worth discussing him until one of those things happens. Inactives are null, although I have a meta-argument that if the host puts in a lot of work to find a replacement for an inactive, he is probably scum. It has worked in Holy Roman (it took Caller/Toad/blubb a lot of effort to replace Vaderseven; he was scum) and in Game of Thrones (it took Curu a LOT of effort to replace Gumshoe; also was scum). 2 is a pretty shitty sample size for statistics, but it's worth remembering. The second is that I was kinda expecting casualman to switch his vote at some point during the day, but he never did, not even when the lynch was equally balanced between 3 targets. That goes beyond the earlier simple trolling to being full-blown retarded. If someone would do us the favour of shooting him tonight so we don't have to worry about him tomorrow, that'd be great. grush: I asked you earlier who you wanted to lynch. I am unsatisfied with: + Show Spoiler [suspicious of casualman] + On July 02 2012 01:57 grush57 wrote: I have to agree. Atleast BM isn't going full retard like casualman. Casualman doesn't want to play and is just being plain stupid. Plus, he is by far playing the most scummiest so far. + Show Spoiler [calls BKE scum] + Into voting for mK with no prior reasoning. Now given the pre-game banter you seem to be one of those players who looks scummy in all his games, regardless of actual alignment (like bluelightz and Zealos). I know you looked scummy in Space Station and were town, because I blew you up for looking scummy (or rather, placed a bomb on you and scum shot me). However, this looks terrible. I want to know what the rest of the thread thinks of this. It's night, so plenty of time to discuss. Vivax: I like you for a D2 lynch too. Every single case you've made has been some kind of wonky connection-based case with terrible premises. I'm not sure what s0lstice sees in you that's townie, but I'm not getting it. 1. You are not reading the thread properly despite being told multiple times by multiple people (myself, VE and marvellosity so far) to read the thread. 2. You are throwing suspicion around on people without giving a real reason (myself, VE, Shiao and marvellosity). While you built a dodgy connection case on VE and me based on the premise that BM is town (can we please lynch and/or shoot BM?!), your "suspicion" of marvellosity is that he is shutting down discussion at a time he was GENERATING discussion. You also don't like ShiaoPi for some unspecified reasons. You are therefore casting suspicion without real reason on:
I'd be happy to look into any of the 3 players if you tell me what you think is scummy, but saying "you're shutting down discussion when he isn't" or "I don't like your posts" is trying to take away momentum from town players and creating a bad atmosphere. That is scum agenda point number 1. 3. Your scumhunting is limited to making connection cases. The only case that isn't a connection case is suggesting grush for a lurker lynch. I say above what I think about grush. However, it's a pretty damned easy case to make. It was also at a time to create MORE chaos in a thread that was consolidating on a lynch (however badly that turned out). Adding candidates 1 hour before the deadline is a terrible idea unless someone suddenly stands out as obvious scum. Grush didn't do that, it was just another lurker to be added to the list. Why? To make the votecount even more dispersed and less useful than it is now? For somoene who likes connection cases this is fucking weird: the strongest connnections are votes. 4. Your voting behaviour. You said Mandalor was scum. I haven't even seen you give a good reason why on that one either, but regardless of that, somehow your ninjavote ended up on mK: On July 01 2012 21:45 Vivax wrote: ##unvote ##Vote mKmKmK Note the timestamp: 12 hours before the deadline. A look in his filter gives us this post: + Show Spoiler [Vivax defending mK] + On July 01 2012 21:42 Vivax wrote: Ok, ET. Looks like I'll have to do the talk for you: "Why the hell is Vivax using that argument when I've already posted 2 others for a scum mK being an option?Does he want to say that the policy is the only reason I'm doing that?" 1. The scum claim you adressed. I guess with it you meant that he says VE used good arguments against BKE, but then considers him to be scummy for one line of text than really says nothing about VE's alignment. Then he suspects kurumi for 'mafiavibes', that's all. I agree that his arguments are terrible and contain zero information. From this point of view he's actually scummy or bad townie. 2. His low activity after that post I don't know how experienced it is, but that behavior would also fit a blue role. That would also be the argument made by you I consider to not be decisive, yet you treat this as a strong argument against him. 3. His wishywashy post regarding the VT roleclaim. A blue role could react like that, too. ___________________________________________ I'm kind of changing my opinion regarding him after writing this. Mainly because of point 1 .I still think that point 2 and 3 wouldn't be enough for me to vote for him. But 1 is a good argument to vote for him. Sorry if I don't have as much faith in the kenpachi rule as you do, but I didn't see it successfully in action through multiple games, and I also see the downsides. So, you are unconvinced by ET's case on mK, there is absolutely NO reason to consolidate votes, yet 3 minutes later you ninjavote for mK's death. I have to say, I don't understand this move from a scum PoV either, but I understand it LESS from a town PoV: how do you defend a guy and then vote for him 3 minutes later. Best fitting explanation I can think of: you're noob scum naïvely bussing your teammate and thinking you can salvage it with some chaos and a D2 BKE lynch (he made a post trying to connect mK and BKE 10 minutes after his vote). In closing, you're scum | ||
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drwiggl3s
Canada167 Posts
If he's scum, everyone on that list is town. And we have 5 (6th person would have been foxtrott) people who can be labelled confirm town for the rest of the game. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5261 Posts
On July 02 2012 15:17 drwiggl3s wrote: So here's what should be learned from day 1. BKExe gained first suspicions. Votes were put on him. His posting increased at a rapid rate where he wasn't so much as defending himself as he was putting suspicion on others. There was also a increase of posting by a few others who were soft defending him while pointing fingers at others. mkmkmk get read as scum by numerous people. All while being pretty much just missing in action. Votes are pushed to him as an easy D1 lynch. Somehow (I have no clue how his posts were read as scum), people hint and drop Fox's name as a possible scum candidate. After testing the waters, a bandwagon is launched on him and it get's the votes. This lynch not only killed a fellow town, but it also netted 0 information on who else could be scum. I'd like to throw suspicion on those who are actively throwing suspicion onto others. As the people they are reading as scum are giving me no sense of scumminess at all. While the people who do appear scummy seem to have a team of like minded individuals backing up their claims and dismissing others. For the love of town, if you're town, don't settle for these mislynches. If we were going to lynch someone, it should have been someone that actually had people defending them. At least this way their death (in vain or not) would give us some valuable information on the people posting in this thread. Any lynch that doesn't support this idea, is a lynch that is proposed by the mafia, and we should look to those who propose it as our next targets. What about mandalor, acro/VE/BM, Katina, casualman? Did you forget all of these other cases and back and forths? You're being short sighted and extremely critical of town while ignoring a lot of the rest of the day, and acting as though town did something god awful stupid while you were not a big part of the proceedings at all. "I'd like to throw suspicion on those who are actively throwing suspicion onto others." This is the most ironic statement I have ever read. There was a considerable amount of resistance against the mkmkmk lynch (multiple people saying they only viewed mk as a lurker lynch, multiple saying they had a townish read on him); if you're critizing this mislynch as no one defending it, how is mkmkmk such a terrible lynch? On July 02 2012 17:36 drwiggl3s wrote: mkmkmk lynch never made sense to me, and unless you give me some justification for it, anyone pushing for this is giving me a scum read. The only justification I can think of for the Foxtrotter wagon, was that there was a tie between BroodKingExe, Foxtrotter, and mkmkmk. Since they couldn't push enough votes onto mkmkmk to ensure BroodKingexe wouldn't get ninja lynched by some last minute votes, they sprung a new bandwagon on Foxtrotter. I do agree with Bill Murray in that some people who pushed for the Foxtrotter wagon need to be lynched. Although I'm curious as to who he thinks would be a good target. To me, the best target is already apparent. But since I have no good town read or scum read on Bill, I'd like to hear what he thinks. I feel like you haven't even been keeping up with the game at all. mkmkmk was in the lead for votes and there was little to no chance that bke was going to be lynched; the mass switch to foxtrot, at least in my personal case, was done because foxtrot seemed more likely to be scum. Hindsight is 20/20 yo. While true that the foxtrot wagon should be looked at, while we don't know the alignments of mkmkmk/BKE, it's weird to make these weird conclusions like "pushing mkmk is scummy". I have an awful feeling that VE is scum, but we all know how that game goes... Everyone is absent now, what gives? While there isn't the normal assortment of old-time vets, there are numerous competant new players that I've witnessed first hand taking control of a game to help push town forward. At the moment the number of players that have been actually pushing town discussion continuously I can count on one hand, which is extremely troubling for this game. | ||
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