EPTVotecount:
VisceraEyes:
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina,
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman
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BroodKingEXE
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Votecount: VisceraEyes: mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban BroodKEXE(4): Katina, Bill Murray(1): Acrofales Acrofales(1): Bill Murray casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman | ||
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BroodKingEXE
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On July 01 2012 08:25 Bill Murray wrote: Acrofales FoS on BKX is fishy as fuck if BKX flips scum, will you all listen to me on acrofales? It's a JEEP tell for a FoS with a vote on someone else Acrofales did that, lets test BKX ##Unvote ##Vote: BKX Youre voting for me because Acro is trying to distance himself from me right? Then vote for Acro if youre more sure on him! | ||
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BroodKingEXE
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On July 01 2012 10:21 Mandalor wrote: sure. On Day1, I feel like there's only two good options for town. a) kill a lurker b) kill a guy that causes trouble just hours into the game I don't like option a). Playing as mafia is fun. You hang around in a chat channel and make your plans. You're probably more busy with the chat than writing in the thread, but still... you're less likely to lurk. If the mafia is smart, they will have a couple of lurkers, but definitely not the majority so the odds of killing a town lurker is a lot higher on day1. BKE qualifies for option b). Whether or not he's mafia, I personally don't like people in my game that use words like "scummy" judging people's first post in the game. Noone has posted enough in this game that I could possibly have built a good enough opinion on them, but apparently he can do that. I'm not even going to address his newbie-theory. I'm not saying I'm sure about BKE whatsoever, but he's our best option in my book. Just have to point out that lurkers in day 1 will be lurkers for the rest of the time so the odds dont change. Your evidence you use for voting for me isn't very good. Firstly, a scummy post is a post with intent nonetheless, sure they can be strange, but first impressions mean a lot and if I see something that potential could be scummy I'll call it. Second, obviously others have posted cases (even a case against me), so even if you aren't ready, it doesn't mean there is not enough evidence out there to make an accusation. | ||
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On June 30 2012 13:39 Katina wrote: Hi! I'm here! Okay so far looking at the thread I agree with the FOS that has been pointed towards BroodKingEXE. If he's on VE's radar already that it's worth looking at. I read through BKE's filter and noticed that he spends a lot of time talking about noobs and what it means to be a noob, and policy lynching lurkers day one. The stuff he says is something anyone can say and it appears as if he's just trying to blend in. I'm going to put my vote on him for now. ##Vote BroodKingEXE The justification of Kat voting for me is: VE and Im trying to blend in. Hiding behind VE’s accusation is a way for her when the vote goes bad and make herself look better to anybody else who views VE as a likely town. Im trying to blend in? Lots of other people are blending in, I got a list of lurkers in my notes to prove it. If I was Mafia wouldn’t it make more sense to wait and post later or not at all to blend in? Next Post Falls in with the Casual and BKE crowd interestingly the only two major candidates up at the time. On July 01 2012 09:36 Katina wrote: Because trends are trendy! So far you have accused mkmk of being scum and defending BKE. What are your reasonings to thinking that BKE is town? Do you have any other reads? Yo, what?! You want us to continue a losing trend? You’re basically saying you support Day1 bandwagons on townies. So far you have provided zip evidence for you vote for me, much less info on the rest of the town. | ||
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On July 01 2012 14:14 MajuGarzett wrote: I phrased that badly. I meant Brood should vote for someone other than casualman since by voting for casual he really doesn't give any information since casual seems to be messing around. Sorry for the poor wording. Brood has been weird in the sense that he seems scummy. Casualman is weird in the sense that he hasn't done shit. I have put up a FoS on Katina as a side option. Casual's play is scummy to me (a move so insane it makes us think he is town), so Im going to keep my vote on him. Not to say that I dont have suspicions on others... | ||
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On July 01 2012 15:46 Mattchew wrote: Adam, what do you make of this post. And I like your thoughts on Mandalor And your thoughts on anyone? | ||
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BroodKingEXE
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On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote: This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? Are you going to ninja vote me for posting a votecount? You got to be kidding me, own up to your vote and post it in the thread dude. Or are you a scum trying to jump the wagon unnoticed? | ||
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BroodKingEXE
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On July 02 2012 01:31 Katina wrote: Okay, let's get some clarification here: I'm not hiding behind anything. I am ready to take full responisbility for my actions if things go wrong. I have played in enough games with VE to get a good town read on him so far this game. Until I see something that proves my read on him wrong. No it wouldn't make sense to do so. So when things go wrong you can hide behind the fact that you have posts and are trying to "help" the town. Mafia do may different things from attacking each other in thread to lurking to leading the town. No I don't want to continue a losing trend. Don't take what I'm saying out of context. It was clearly sarcasm. I provide as much evidence as I can get day one. I can add attacking your attacker to the list of evidence as well. If there is something you wish to no then please feel free to ask. I will tell you whatever you want to know. I have been busy this weekend and I'm trying my best to get in and post when I can. I'm not sheeping VE. I found what he had to say about BKE was interesting. After looking over his filter for myself I got suspicious and posted against him. I think that agreeing with another player is a bad reason to think someone is suspicious. You haven't posted against him, I have a problem with you using his suspicion to justify your vote. If you're busy this weekend fine, but skimming over posts and making a hasty decisions is a great way for bandwagons to get rolling. One question, now that I am not blending in, what continues to make me scum in your eyes? | ||
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On June 30 2012 15:31 Twelve wrote: My initial thoughts are to be suspicious of Kurumi. He takes three posts to say very little, seeming to want to contribute without actually offering anything. I also agree that BroodKingEXE is suspicious for the same reasons, a long ranting post on a topic that he didn't seemed concerned about before the game started. I'm going to read the thread a bit more... just my initial thoughts. Does it matter what I was interested in before game? I wasn't scum or townie before the game, so it wouldn't reveal anything about more alignment. On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote: This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? Your going to vote for me for posting a votecount? Funny how you ninja vote right after it, maybe you saw the count and thought you could get away with it while everyone was using it to get a gauge on the accusations. A vote is a powerful indicator of whether you are scum or not, a townie doesn't need to hide it as it reveals their townieness. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
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On July 02 2012 04:17 Mattchew wrote: Mattchew's People that need to die and why list 1. Casualman Has literally posted nothing to help town. See's VE vote himself and decides to do the same. I think this is a newb scum trying to emulate troll townie actions (that are easy to copy) so that he tries to get town cred. 2. Twelve Blatant contradiction in his first posts. Says he is all for Band wagon hatred, then jumps on the 2 bandwagons forming at that time (Kurumi and BKexe) + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2012 15:31 Twelve wrote: My initial thoughts are to be suspicious of Kurumi. He takes three posts to say very little, seeming to want to contribute without actually offering anything. I also agree that BroodKingEXE is suspicious for the same reasons, a long ranting post on a topic that he didn't seemed concerned about before the game started. I'm going to read the thread a bit more... just my initial thoughts. Follow this with his next 2 posts, the first with quite possibly the worst reasoning for a vote ever (read completely forced reasoning to try and continue a bandwagon), and then a post trying to be cutesy and buddying with the thread saying "don't take it personally" yuck. + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote: This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? On July 01 2012 17:12 Twelve wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 16:07 BroodKingEXE wrote: Are you going to ninja vote me for posting a votecount? You got to be kidding me, own up to your vote and post it in the thread dude. Or are you a scum trying to jump the wagon unnoticed? Not sure that ninja voting is against the rules, but just so we can stay friends: ##vote: BKX I made my case against you, not really trying to hide anything. The current "bandwagon" against you is merely logical, nothing personal ^^ The #1 issue I have with these two reads that I can't seem to get over in my head is where Twelve calls out casualman. I can't tell if this is an act of distancing (which on day 1 would be pretty bold if they are both actually newb scum) or if they are opposite alignments.. I would like to hear opinions on this. 3. Mandalor First post of the game says he hasn't read, but still votes BKE. Cool, I like being scum and trying to blend in by voting the popular candidate too.+ Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote: ##VOTE: BKE I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow. Second post, he claims to have caught up, but offers literally no reason for his vote which he still agrees with. Hi scum trying not to be accountable for reads and reasons! + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 06:10 Mandalor wrote: I had read the first ten pages and it seemed to be the best option. Haven't changed my mind now that I'vve caught up. It's day1 tho, I don't expect a 100% surefire candidate to pop up this early. I wont post his whole filter, but he then goes onto explain that he voted and is voting BKE cause he causes trouble for the town early on. Is this the fault of BKE or the fault of those creating the shitstorm around him with little to no reasoning? Voting for someone because they are being highlighted in the thread and because a lot of people yell "he's scum" at him is terrible reasoning. He also says "I ignored the post-analysis option, because - and I repeat - this is Day1. I barely have a case for BKE, but I have to vote." which just encourages more people to vote ignorantly without reason. 4. Bill Murray A. He's Bill Murray. B. More importantly He's Bill Murray. Letting this guy live past day 3 is the worst thing town can do in any game. 5. drwiggl3s His entire filter is a ninja vote on BKE, and then his "reasoning" which has to be completely forced out of him. This shows me he is trying to hide his thoughts from the thread especially as noob scum. I find his contradiction in his first post of substance hysterical as well. He defends casualman for voting BKE with no reason, but then calls out everyone not voting BKE with little or no reason as scummy. + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2012 18:06 drwiggl3s wrote: ##Vote BroodKingEXE On July 01 2012 05:13 drwiggl3s wrote: Ok since some people asked, here's what I'm thinking. I agree that BKEXE's initial posts were a tad scummy. But what gave it away to me was that after casualman voted for him, both Mattchew and BKEXE immediately returned the favour and voted for casualman to be lynched. Both without any explanation other than saying "Wtf is this". And then later, both went MIA for quite a while instead of explaining their votes or trying to defend BKEXE. You may ask why would casualman throw his vote at BKEXE so early. It could be he is either just noob, or it could be he read BKEXE as scum (like many people are now) but just before a lot of people had the chance to. As for other players: I find many people are soft defending BKEXE and in their posts trying to put suspicion onto others (with little reason). I see these as scummy moves. He didn't call out casual directly. Look at the way he phrased the call out. It was a question, which means he was searching for confirmation before pushing the statement. Since the town didn't really get on casual, he jumped on my wagon. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
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On July 02 2012 04:59 Twelve wrote: + Show Spoiler + He didn't call out casual directly. Look at the way he phrased the call out. It was a question, which means he was searching for confirmation before pushing the statement. Since the town didn't really get on casual, he jumped on my wagon. Incorrect sir, even if casualman is scum, he doesn't appear to be smart enough to really pose too much of a threat and doesn't really seem worth a day 1 lynch. Again there is no reason that anyone would vote for themselves as town, and no one has really tried to defend that vote, just make accusations against the people that notice it? I don't understand. If there is a legitmate reason town would vote for themselves, please, change my mind.[/QUOTE] In Area 53, we made the same mistake of not lynching an obvious scum and paid for it. Wasted days bouncing around lynching townies looking for the elusive hiders when we had a Power scum right there. Casual could be playing this same way (making it so obvious we save him for later). | ||
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BroodKingEXE
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On July 02 2012 04:59 Twelve wrote: + Show Spoiler + He didn't call out casual directly. Look at the way he phrased the call out. It was a question, which means he was searching for confirmation before pushing the statement. Since the town didn't really get on casual, he jumped on my wagon. Incorrect sir, even if casualman is scum, he doesn't appear to be smart enough to really pose too much of a threat and doesn't really seem worth a day 1 lynch. Again there is no reason that anyone would vote for themselves as town, and no one has really tried to defend that vote, just make accusations against the people that notice it? I don't understand. If there is a legitmate reason town would vote for themselves, please, change my mind. In Area 53, we made the same mistake of not lynching an obvious scum and paid for it. Wasted days bouncing around lynching townies looking for the elusive hiders when we had a Power scum right there. Casual could be playing this same way (making it so obvious we save him for later).[/QUOTE] | ||
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Dont spam up the thread with meaningless accusations. Post your reads or die. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
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On July 02 2012 06:19 Mandalor wrote: You left my third post out and decided to summarize and add some nice flavor to it. You know, the whole voting for someone because he was highlighted yadda yadda. I never said or implied any of that. I gave my reasoning in my third post. And you repeat that I voted for BKE with no reason. It's right there. It's fine that you think I'm scum, but you're not helping town by putting words in my mouth. You just join the people that have a case against me and add some lies to it. That's nice, I think I did this in mafia 3. I gave my reasons in post 3. Nothing to add, really. Here's a link to my filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344514&user=2074 And I disputed this reason in this Post. | ||
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On July 01 2012 22:44 austinmcc wrote: However, I'd love for him to clarify his first post, given all this discussion. Broodking, you say that you don't consider those with 4 or 5 games newbies. The rest of the players seem to disagree, and I know that I do (no more newbie games allowed =/= not a newbie in my mind). IF you accept a much more broad definition of noob, like the thread seems to want, would you alter your first post? Should people with something like 4-8 games be treated like the noobs in your post, or treated like more seasoned players? No I wouldn't alter my first post, because then I know that people are still not as confident about there actions as town. Not as confident = not as strong cases, which means we need to identify whether a said case was developed from haste or scumminess. I still think 4-8 games should be enough to get a sense of who you are in a game and what strengths and weaknesses you bring to the town. | ||
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On July 02 2012 09:44 ghost_403 wrote: Fine. If you guys won't tell me who to vote for, I'll vote for the guy in the lead. ##vote:foxtrotter hmph. Ghost's day one vote is very strange, fifteen mintutes before this vote he was bouncing off the wall looking for a person to tell him who to vote for (posts look for the ghost ones). His explanation of his vote leads me to believe he was a scum trying to act innocent/running out of time, instead of spending the fifteen minutes to skim through the lynch candidate's filters as a townie would. Maybe he used his town list to pick Fox O.O On July 02 2012 09:57 ghost_403 wrote: I got a better idea. I could ask the people who started this bandwagon to see if they could actually give me a good reason for lynching a (probably town) newb. The guy has a filter that is four posts long. FOUR. The guy disappeared eight pages ago, and suddenly, it's a good idea to lynch him? That's completely absurd. Unfortunately, it's too late for me to inject any reason into this thread, and save this scrubs life, so I'm going to let the town lynch him. Then, tomorrow, I'm going to go through the last 34 pages and find out exactly why he was lynched. P.S.: The right answer to the question that I asked you above was "Foxtrotter, because he's scum". He then turns on the leaders of the vote asking for a reason why they picked Fox. He clearly picked him for no reason, yet turns around and tries to get the rest of the wagoners lynched. That's about the bulk of anything close to substantial he's even posted the rest are useless one-liners. | ||
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On July 03 2012 09:47 ghost_403 wrote: @NoSmurfHere: So what are your thoughts on ET? Stop asking questions about ET, if you suspect him post a case. Asking people about ET is a way for you to gauge suspicion and push a vote if it comes to it. Your scuminess just shot through the roof on my radar. ##Vote: ghost_403 | ||
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