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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 23 2012 04:56 GMT
#85
/in Vacation was fun, still summer! No animal rights activists outside?
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 04:19:55
June 26 2012 04:17 GMT
#105
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 26 2012 20:02 GMT
#109
On June 26 2012 18:36 supersoft wrote:
:------(

i have to /out
have to deal with a lot of work first :-o


Work! Bah!
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 28 2012 21:20 GMT
#157
Ready for action!
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 28 2012 23:30 GMT
#168
On June 29 2012 08:02 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 07:05 Drazerk wrote:
I only have 10 fingers and toes dammit how am I supposed to count

Binary. Using just your hands gets you up to 1024, which is more than enough!

No one count to the number four or 128 using binary hands. Also its hard to put you fourth finger up by itself.
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 29 2012 15:57 GMT
#175
On June 29 2012 22:55 EchelonTee wrote:
Mandalor in, I'm replacement still.


No youre in after suki outed I think.
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 30 2012 01:03 GMT
#222
I want to start out discussing newbies. How are we as a town going to deal with players that are not as strong (as we do have a couple in the game)? Personally I think that these players need to be examined for the intent of their posts more than the evidence that they provide. Newbies still need to figure out what types of evidence are valid for examining a person, and we need to look at whether they are trying to draw out info from nothing or if there was actually a scummy read behind it. In the last few games I have played newbies have been lynched from poor evidence when they in fact were legitimately trying to help the town. I want everyone to take this in mind as we deal with newbies.
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 30 2012 01:07 GMT
#225
On June 30 2012 09:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Don't worry everybody I'm tooooooooooooooooooown!!!!!!!

And I'm also horribly unafraid, and incredibly willing to post, share reads and FIND EFFING SCUM!

Just so we're on the same D1 page, I'm in favor of lurker lynches if we lack a scummy candidate, but my preference is to lynch scum every time. So let's just focus on finding scum, and hopefully we won't HAVE any lurkers to even worry about! Yeah? YEAH!!!

WOOOOOOOO FOR TOWN!!!


Lynching a lurker should be a D1 only policy. Otherwise we're playing too much into the hands of mafia in terms of odds.


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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 30 2012 01:13 GMT
#232
On June 30 2012 10:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
BKE, that sounded like a radio-show call-in.

"Yeah, I've got this FRIEND, okay? NOT ME, IT'S A FRIEND! Anyway..."

lol

For my part, I'm going to be treating new players the same way I'd be treating anyone else - I'm going to examine their posts, address any concerns I have with their reasoning/logic, and draw a conclusion about their intentions based on how/if they answer. Obviously it's going to be harder than discerning the intentions of people who "should know better" or whatever, but that's all we can really do.


You still think I'm a newbie

@Kurumi I know spam is bad, but we should put as many posts as we need to prove our point. You dont need to go shooting down conversation, by suggesting a minimal post policy. Just bringing up the idea starts off on a "maybe I should post until I have more stuff" attitude.
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 30 2012 01:27 GMT
#236
On June 30 2012 10:09 layabout wrote:
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On June 30 2012 10:03 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I want to start out discussing newbies. How are we as a town going to deal with players that are not as strong (as we do have a couple in the game)? Personally I think that these players need to be examined for the intent of their posts more than the evidence that they provide. Newbies still need to figure out what types of evidence are valid for examining a person, and we need to look at whether they are trying to draw out info from nothing or if there was actually a scummy read behind it. In the last few games I have played newbies have been lynched from poor evidence when they in fact were legitimately trying to help the town. I want everyone to take this in mind as we deal with newbies.

So you suggest that we identify a group of players and then hold them to a lower standard than we would for a typical player?

Are you aware of how low those standards are already?

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In the last few games I have played newbies have been lynched from poor evidence when they in fact were legitimately trying to help the town

Can you give specific examples?


Ottox in 53# Mafia. He was overwhelmed as a newbie and we tunneled on him too hard. Im suggesting more that the intent of the posts of these players is a more accurate representation of their alignment. Different standard.
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 30 2012 01:30 GMT
#237
On June 30 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote:
Hello folks. I'll be joining the ranks of the scum hunters once again (5th time in a row!). This is my first large game, so it's going to be an adjustment...but one I'm capable of making. Being that it's friday night I will be scarce, but I'll be active on saturday, and I'm sure I'll have plenty of material to analyze. Stay tuned.


Saying that this is your 5th time in a row being town-aligned has the undercurrent of convincing us you are town in this game, and you dodge posting responsibility by it being a Friday. This is a scummy post to start out with.
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 30 2012 02:08 GMT
#246
On June 30 2012 10:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Waitwaitwait.

LMAO

Okay, hold up. First of all, My very first post opened with "Hi I'm town". Not to mention the fact that I just explained why loads of posting is going to be detrimental for town (which could be construed as 'dodging posting responsibility').

Now, s0Lstice is relatively new, and you're the one who posted

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On June 30 2012 10:03 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I want to start out discussing newbies. How are we as a town going to deal with players that are not as strong (as we do have a couple in the game)? Personally I think that these players need to be examined for the intent of their posts more than the evidence that they provide. Newbies still need to figure out what types of evidence are valid for examining a person, and we need to look at whether they are trying to draw out info from nothing or if there was actually a scummy read behind it. In the last few games I have played newbies have been lynched from poor evidence when they in fact were legitimately trying to help the town. I want everyone to take this in mind as we deal with newbies.


.......I'm kinda having a hard time accepting that you don't have an agenda considering all these factors.

FoS: BKE

You better watch your P's and Q's buster. You're now on my radar and trust me...no one likes being there.


My reply to you was that I wasn't newb. How many games have I played?: 5. Clearly we have a difference in definition for experienced players. I dont see how one can consolidate a post(as your post says) without losing content. ie if I have three facts and I post them in one big post, does that really save more space than three smaller posts?
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 30 2012 07:24 GMT
#275
On June 30 2012 14:23 casualman wrote:
I love to bandwagon. Being a newb, I can read nothing from these posts and will blindly trust in authority figures. Woohoo!

##Vote BroodKingEXE

I cant think of a town reason to post this batshit insane. Sarcasm? Until you answer: ##Vote: casualman
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 30 2012 16:25 GMT
#367
Hold Up Hold Up! I clearly said that I think solstice is not a newb. He has been playing the same amount of games as me, and at my experience level that would be a scumass post to make. He dodges responsibility and subtley confirms his towniness. Why'd he do it like that? Scum thrive off subtley in their posts making us subconsiciously move them off their radar. Hell have I been subtle? A policy and two accusations making up the just of my posting. Casual's post makes no sense from a town intent, he declares he is a dumb newb and then procedes to bandwagon me on no evidence (by him). I cant give any leway on logic if their is none. I think he is a newb scum that is trying to distance himself from the guy that said" look at newbs through this lense". And let me say again I am Not A newb

At least in my perspective so if I try to hide behind that I should be lynched.
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 30 2012 16:51 GMT
#371
Oversimplification of my policy post: Look at newbs more so through the lense of intent than flawed logic

Does this mean give them leway? Hell No!
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 30 2012 17:18 GMT
#378
On July 01 2012 02:09 ShiaoPi wrote:
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On July 01 2012 01:25 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hold Up Hold Up! I clearly said that I think solstice is not a newb. He has been playing the same amount of games as me, and at my experience level that would be a scumass post to make. He dodges responsibility and subtley confirms his towniness. Why'd he do it like that? Scum thrive off subtley in their posts making us subconsiciously move them off their radar. Hell have I been subtle? A policy and two accusations making up the just of my posting. Casual's post makes no sense from a town intent, he declares he is a dumb newb and then procedes to bandwagon me on no evidence (by him). I cant give any leway on logic if their is none. I think he is a newb scum that is trying to distance himself from the guy that said" look at newbs through this lense". And let me say again I am Not A newb

At least in my perspective so if I try to hide behind that I should be lynched.


Excuse me but whre did you say that solstice is not a newb? Looked through your filter, found nothing.
Have you actually considered the possibility that he is in fact busy and so he dropped by with that post to say he is sorry in advance? Might be motivation to do just that, also check his other games, his opening is pretty similar to the games he has played and judging from that single post that he could be scum does not convince me.

I agree on your reasoning on Casual, he is on my radar as well.

I do not understand though what your "noobishness" has anything to do with the issue at hand. Nobody accused you of hiding behind noobishness so why bring it up? Until now your defense has been:
-I said solstice is not newb (no idea where that comes from...)
-I am not scum, since I made policy talk and two accusations.

Not strong to be honest. Everyone can make policytalk and the two accusation are kind of easy, solstice is gone for a while and casualman went retard/wtf-mode.

Right now I am tending on scum on you, so that will make my FoS into a vote: BroodkingEXE


Out of context dude. It doesnt make sense for me as scum to draw attention to myself as scum, look st where its got me. I think its implied: I think Im not a newb.
BKE: 5 games played
Solstice: 5 games played
So hes not a newb.
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 30 2012 17:31 GMT
#380
On July 01 2012 02:15 s0Lstice wrote:
Happy Saturday

BKE: I don't want to lynch him today. To me he has been clear in saying that he wants us all to be careful in how we judge newbies. This is not the same thing as saying don't judge newbies. More, his definition of newbie is different. Apparently with 4 games played, I am not a newbie. I don't agree, but it's his opinion and he's welcome to it. He looked at my first post and casualman's vote post and did not see town intent. It doesn't matter if you agree with him, but he is following his own rules in my eyes.

Acrofales: I find it funny that you are all over Vivax for not reading the thread. If you had done a little reading yourself (see: his past games) you'd already have a pretty good idea of what Vivax is in this game.

Casualman: Do not want to lynch. I agree with ET in that it's more likely he is casual town. Someone said in a post-game of one of my previous games, quoting Ver, that mafia is a game of paradoxes. The most obvious, off-the-wall, anti-town play is probably coming from a townie. I'm not prepared to totally clear him based on this, but it gives me a bad feeling about lynching him.

Kurumi: Annoying, not scum. This may change, but it's the read I have now. Behind the in-character writing style is pro-town intent.

Here's who I would like to lynch today

mKmKmK: me being away means the case has already been made. I don't like how he thinks Kurumi is scum without providing reasons. I don't like the kleenex strength pressure he has been applying, first to NoSmurfHere, then to VE.

Katina: He (she?) hasn't really been mentioned yet, but in one post, she leads off her suspicion of BKE with the fact that VE is suspicious of him so it must be legit. She parrots the case, votes, walks away, and hasn't been heard from since.


BM's play in 53# was insane but he was scum. Its true that it draws attention to yourself, but its like lurking: it prevents you from being examined, forcing the town to play with odds as opposed to making an informed desicion.
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 30 2012 21:37 GMT
#402
On July 01 2012 05:13 drwiggl3s wrote:
Ok since some people asked, here's what I'm thinking.

I agree that BKEXE's initial posts were a tad scummy. But what gave it away to me was that after casualman voted for him, both Mattchew and BKEXE immediately returned the favour and voted for casualman to be lynched. Both without any explanation other than saying "Wtf is this". And then later, both went MIA for quite a while instead of explaining their votes or trying to defend BKEXE.

You may ask why would casualman throw his vote at BKEXE so early. It could be he is either just noob, or it could be he read BKEXE as scum (like many people are now) but just before a lot of people had the chance to.

As for other players: I find many people are soft defending BKEXE and in their posts trying to put suspicion onto others (with little reason). I see these as scummy moves.


If you are going to place your vote on me you need more evidence than that. Firstly you arent explaining why the Mattchew is scummy and just buddy us even though others have suspicions as well. Second how much further can I explain the vot for casual? Insaneness is a good way for scum to hide, as it prevents us from getting a good read; a townie helps the town with sane posting.
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 30 2012 22:27 GMT
#408
On July 01 2012 07:00 Katina wrote:
Okay, I just finished reading through the thread.

Casualman has caught my attenion with his phase 2 talk as he called his self vote. I'm curious to see more from him and find out what he has to say at a later.

I still find BKE suspicious for the reasons that have been stated. He seems more interested in defending his lack of noobiness then helping the town.


Do you know why I have been defending my experience? Because if solstice and I have played an equal amount of games I have not created a case on a newb. Isn't that the bulk of the accusation against me?
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 30 2012 23:00 GMT
#412
On July 01 2012 07:30 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 07:27 BroodKingEXE wrote:
On July 01 2012 07:00 Katina wrote:
Okay, I just finished reading through the thread.

Casualman has caught my attenion with his phase 2 talk as he called his self vote. I'm curious to see more from him and find out what he has to say at a later.

I still find BKE suspicious for the reasons that have been stated. He seems more interested in defending his lack of noobiness then helping the town.


Do you know why I have been defending my experience? Because if solstice and I have played an equal amount of games I have not created a case on a newb. Isn't that the bulk of the accusation against me?

No. It isn't. Try again.


Im not talking about your case, the majority of the town has been criticizing me for accusing newbies after the policy. Solstices OP in my opinion could have been a scum one. I looked at it from a town intent POV and a more direct post would have made sense. There's nothing wrong with pointing that out.
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