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On June 19 2012 07:32 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 07:31 strongandbig wrote: Okay so. That came back as "false".
I think Decon is town, since he was willing to use his power if Talismania had said what he said originally.
So either: Talismania is town, Drazerk is not town, or both of those things.
Unfortunately, neither of Drazerk and Talismania is really confirmed until the other one dies. You gotta admit I'd be insane to come forward and do that if I had read my role PM and it said scum No. Because it would tell you your scumbuddies and Talismania would NOT be among them, therefore with that wording you would be completely safe.
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On June 19 2012 07:38 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 07:35 talismania wrote:On June 19 2012 07:33 Drazerk wrote:On June 19 2012 07:32 Acrofales wrote: That was the dumbest use of a really awesome power I ever saw. We learned exactly nothing there, because I believe Talismania is town. Which means we are all town? Why did you write the passage the way you did? You could have written, Deconduo is town Drazerk is town Talismania is town. But instead you chose to put "talismania is not town" Why? I just copied what he gave me I missed that. Okay, that means we learned even LESS than I thought from that pointless exercise in futility.
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On June 19 2012 07:39 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 07:39 Acrofales wrote:On June 19 2012 07:32 Drazerk wrote:On June 19 2012 07:31 strongandbig wrote: Okay so. That came back as "false".
I think Decon is town, since he was willing to use his power if Talismania had said what he said originally.
So either: Talismania is town, Drazerk is not town, or both of those things.
Unfortunately, neither of Drazerk and Talismania is really confirmed until the other one dies. You gotta admit I'd be insane to come forward and do that if I had read my role PM and it said scum No. Because it would tell you your scumbuddies and Talismania would NOT be among them, therefore with that wording you would be completely safe. That logic makes no sense It does. If you were scum and Tali were town, you would know Tali is not on your scumteam and hence probable town. A tiny bit of looking at the thread would make that even more probable. Now lets go back to the logic:
Statements: A = drazerk is town B = deconduo is town C = talismania is town
Theory: A & B & ~C
Theory is FALSE, so we know:
~(A & B & ~C) = ~A | ~B | C
This statement is true if any one of the following is true: ~A = Drazerk is not town ~B = Deconduo is not town C = Talismania is town
Because you would already know C, that would make it completely safe for you.
If it's still not clear, replace "Talismania is not town" in the checked post with "Pigs can fly". Because pigs can, in fact, not fly, anything else in the post is irrelevant: it will be marked as false.
However, this is all academic, because Deconduo derped even more than I thought and we learned NOTHING from the whole ordeal.
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On June 19 2012 07:45 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 07:34 deconduo wrote:On June 19 2012 07:32 Acrofales wrote: That was the dumbest use of a really awesome power I ever saw. We learned exactly nothing there, because I believe Talismania is town. As I said I'm pretty sure all 3 of us are town, assuming talis actually uses his shot before we all die of old age. There is a good chance all three are town. However - none of you are 100% confirmed, which you could be. I was just thinking about this again. Look at it using logic. If one of the statements is false, then knowing that the overall statement is false, gives us literally no information about the other two statements. Based on the way you all acted around the time of the statement, I think you are town. However, either Talismania or Drazerk could be scum. Look at their actions: - Drazerk was being a troll and a moron, and hadn't read his PM apparently. Therefore, his actions give us no information about his alignment. - Talismania wouldn't just post the thing you wanted him to, even though it was painfully obvious what was going on. Other than that, I think Talismania is probably town, but he or Drazerk could still be scum.
To be fair, I also wouldn't have copied what he posted blindly. Unfortunately I have more reservations about Drazerk, ESPECIALLY if he, as claimed, has not read his role PM.
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On June 19 2012 07:51 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 07:47 Acrofales wrote:On June 19 2012 07:39 Drazerk wrote:On June 19 2012 07:39 Acrofales wrote:On June 19 2012 07:32 Drazerk wrote:On June 19 2012 07:31 strongandbig wrote: Okay so. That came back as "false".
I think Decon is town, since he was willing to use his power if Talismania had said what he said originally.
So either: Talismania is town, Drazerk is not town, or both of those things.
Unfortunately, neither of Drazerk and Talismania is really confirmed until the other one dies. You gotta admit I'd be insane to come forward and do that if I had read my role PM and it said scum No. Because it would tell you your scumbuddies and Talismania would NOT be among them, therefore with that wording you would be completely safe. That logic makes no sense It does. If you were scum and Tali were town, you would know Tali is not on your scumteam and hence probable town. A tiny bit of looking at the thread would make that even more probable. Now lets go back to the logic: Statements: A = drazerk is town B = deconduo is town C = talismania is town Theory: A & B & ~C Theory is FALSE, so we know: ~(A & B & ~C) = ~A | ~B | C This statement is true if any one of the following is true: ~A = Drazerk is not town ~B = Deconduo is not town C = Talismania is town Because you would already know C, that would make it completely safe for you. If it's still not clear, replace "Talismania is not town" in the checked post with "Pigs can fly". Because pigs can, in fact, not fly, anything else in the post is irrelevant: it will be marked as false. However, this is all academic, because Deconduo derped even more than I thought and we learned NOTHING from the whole ordeal. Statement C was "talismania is not town" btw. It's clear to me that deconduo should be town unless he's really dumb. Drazerk did initially write three statements that said he was town, dec was town, and I was a day vig, but deconduo did not elect to do that, and instead made him type what he did. Drazerk's statement if checked would have been incredibly incriminating against him had it come back a lie, and I would have shot him. So it makes the most sense that he is town as well.
Hence the squiggle: it means strong negation in logic.
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On June 19 2012 07:53 deconduo wrote: Oh for all the people whining, here was my logic:
I was pretty sure talis was neutral or 3rd party. None of his actions pointed towards him being town. If the statement showed up as true, we had 2 confirmed towns and we killed talis.
If instead I had posted that all 3 of us were town and it turned up false, we would be in the exact same situation. We would lynch talis, and assuming he flipped non-town, it would give no information on either mine or drazerk's alignment.
Operating on the assumption that talis was not town, given how he was avoiding posting what I had asked, the statement tested was the best one to go for.
And yes, while none of the 3 of us are 100% confirmed, we are 95% town. So for your test of Talismania being scum, you use Drazerk?! Why not wait for someone who you actually have some conviction of being town to come on? Drazerk has self-proclaimed MULTIPLE times in the thread to not even have read his own role pm.
This was a BAD use of that power and you SHOULD have thought it through more. Now back to hunting scum.
At least I agree that if Drazerk knew he was scum, he would not have posted the first proposal for lie detecting, so at least we know that Drazerk is either town and messing with us, or has, in actual fact, not read his role pm.
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So yeah, let me correct you on your conclusion:
Drazerk: 100% didn't read his role pm, so approx. 4/14 chance of being scum (assuming 4 scum... there's 14 as a denominator, because we know he's not the kingmaker, due to a king being chosen).
However, this fucks up the probabilities on the rest as well and all we get from that is further behavioural analysis, which say that you and Tali are town. However, it was a complete waste of a lie detector.
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On June 19 2012 08:00 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 07:59 Acrofales wrote:On June 19 2012 07:53 deconduo wrote: Oh for all the people whining, here was my logic:
I was pretty sure talis was neutral or 3rd party. None of his actions pointed towards him being town. If the statement showed up as true, we had 2 confirmed towns and we killed talis.
If instead I had posted that all 3 of us were town and it turned up false, we would be in the exact same situation. We would lynch talis, and assuming he flipped non-town, it would give no information on either mine or drazerk's alignment.
Operating on the assumption that talis was not town, given how he was avoiding posting what I had asked, the statement tested was the best one to go for.
And yes, while none of the 3 of us are 100% confirmed, we are 95% town. So for your test of Talismania being scum, you use Drazerk?! Why not wait for someone who you actually have some conviction of being town to come on? Drazerk has self-proclaimed MULTIPLE times in the thread to not even have read his own role pm. This was a BAD use of that power and you SHOULD have thought it through more. Now back to hunting scum. At least I agree that if Drazerk knew he was scum, he would not have posted the first proposal for lie detecting, so at least we know that Drazerk is either town and messing with us, or has, in actual fact, not read his role pm. I read it a couple of pages back I am town Shuddup. You're just confusing the issue more:
On June 19 2012 07:16 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 07:15 deconduo wrote: I'm 99% sure Drazerk is town, there's no way a non-town would come out like that to try and get proven. If it comes back a lie it almost certainly means talis is town. If it comes back true, we lynch talis. You're aware I haven't read my role PM right?
You reading your role PM after the check tells us NOTHING about the check. You claiming to not have read your role PM when the check was made is more believable than this claim now.
However, thanks for stating you've now read your role PM and are claiming town. We can disregard everything before this as far as analysis is concerned and start from this point onwards. You basically wasted a day worth of filter on trolling.
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EBWOP: I mean with regards to Drazerk. Everybody else's filter from N0 and D1 is still completely valid. Just Drazerk's says nothing about his alignment.
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On June 19 2012 08:10 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 08:09 Acrofales wrote: EBWOP: I mean with regards to Drazerk. Everybody else's filter from N0 and D1 is still completely valid. Just Drazerk's says nothing about his alignment. Now imagine that in the power of a scum player. I did. I still want you dead.
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Now I'm going to bed. I'll see who gets shot in the morning. Please shoot Maju or DropBear.
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Hurrah. So we can confirm Maju's meta: when he looks like scum in his first 5 posts, he is in fact scum! Nice shot, Tali.
I'm also back on the KB train, btw. However, it's a weird love triangle with DropBear that I don't get at all.
DropBear, on the other hand is not. His reason for taking his vote off KB is unconvincing. If he really doesn't think KB is scum, he would have said something that his defense is adequate, but if he was scum in the first place, then nobody going along with his mislynch is a good reason to put his vote to better use. See here:
On June 19 2012 12:51 DropBear wrote: Jesus christ you guys are spammy. Please stop with the one-liners!
I'm reading up. Good shot on majugarzett, I'm unvoting KB for now cos he was voting for maju according to the voting thread. KB had his vote on Maju at the start of D1. Let me repeat that: START of the day. He didn't actually vote for Maju... nor do we know he would have if you are right, KB is scum and Maju was his scumbuddy. Even if he did end up voting, his main case is not Maju and he hasn't really been pushing for his lynch (in fact, he was setting himself up to be able to switch off without looking suspicions). How does a post like + Show Spoiler [KB "pressuring" Maju] +On June 19 2012 05:51 KharadBanar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 05:45 EchelonTee wrote: npnpnpnpn, just want to make sure you don't do it too last minute.
Maju or Dropbear. Vote em or bring a better case. I am for DropBear at the moment, the reason being that DropBear actually played somewhat scummy, Maju "just" lurked until now. I'm keeping my lynch vote on Maju though. let KB off the hook. If anything, it makes him look scummier.
For more on how KB likes to "pressure" people in D1 when he's scum, I suggest you read Newbie VIII. His pressure there was about as convincing as this pressure on Maju was.
However, back to DropBear. After being "convinced" that KB is no longer scum, he switches to Nisani. While there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to lynch Nisani (see other comments, below), his case seems forced. It is also just another run-of-the-mill candidate who has, in fact, all but claimed some kind of 3rd party role in the thread, yet the case doesn't mention that at all.
As a final part of the puzzle, I suggest you search for Maju in DropBear's filter. The only time it pops up is after Tali shoots Maju. Scum don't like to mention each other... ever. They don't like to defend each other (because connections can be made) and they don't want to attack each other. Hence, a common scum play is to just not mention one's scumbuddies unless forced to. Note that this is more of a light scumslip addition than anything I would normally build a case around, but add it to generally scummy behaviour and I think we've found Maju's scumbuddy.
Other comments I am not yet decided on Nisani. I don't like some things in his play, specifically the way he just posts suspicions on people without committing, but I have not yet found anything conclusively scummy in his play. What I mainly don't like is his claimed "extra wincon". That sounds like 3P to me. I have an extra condition for losing, but can ONLY win with town. Any way to win, other than with town, sounds fishy. At best, it's like lynching Glados in Aperture and at worst, it's an anti-town wincon. While I feel DB is a better lynch for the moment, he is not a bad candidate.
BioSC and Hyaach are lurking like bawzes and should be shot. Gonna read up on xsksc next.
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Oh, and because Drazerk is sorta off the hook for now and the Koala must die: ##unvote ##vote DropBear
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Ufff, I realized I forgot to post about the weird little 3way love-hate relationship going on between DB, Maju and KB.
Maju made a case on Fourface (a pretty terrible one, but he was trying to deflect pressure from himself onto FF, which he'd probably not do if they were scum together). This case is basically a chainsaw defense of ET, but because ET didn't actually need defending (only FF was pressuring him), I am not going to read any conspiracies into that. Based on this, FF is likely not on Maju's team and the chainsaw defense says nothing about ET's alignment.
However, after this case, he is pressured into saying something about KB. He thinks KB is scummy based on this:
On June 19 2012 08:28 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 08:11 talismania wrote: MajuGarzett come back!
I still need your opinion on KB and nisani, as well as anyone besides FourFace that you think is scum. KB is scummy. I know I said earlier that I didn't suspect him but that was in reference solely to the act of making an alliance with the house. The stuff he's done after that is bad. Nisani is okay but I disliked how little info there was in his vote for xsksc. He didn't really point out anything, just make generalizations and tell people to go look at the filter themselves. This is about as useless an accusation as they get. What stuff was bad? Of course Maju wouldn't go into specifics: he's scum and giving out information is something he doesn't want to do. I am hesitant to draw any conclusion about KB's alignment based on this.
However, we then have KB talking about Majudude: + Show Spoiler [KB about Majujular] +On June 18 2012 04:55 KharadBanar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 04:45 HiroPro wrote: KB, I want to hear your thoughts on MajuGarzett. His first couple posts are all questions on the inner workings of House Chezinu which seems like the usual earlygame discussion attempts. One could possibly interpret that as scum gauging whether or not it's worthwhile to enter, but it's entirely possible that this is just genuine interest, in which case it's a null read so I'm not ready to judge Maju on that alone. Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 11:07 MajuGarzett wrote:On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote:On June 17 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote: I should read the thread but that is too much effort ... I remember trying to lynch you in Steamship for this kind of posting. People just said, nah that's just how Drazerk plays. There's no need to be lazy though. -_- Is anyone else around atm? The thread's gone pretty quiet, let's try and get some constructive discussion going. I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game. Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear. Well allying such a shady group is weird but there's no real downside to it as the alliance is so far just empty words. I can see why they did it. Honestly I think that the house won't really do anything to help Nisani and KB. This is essentially what I was thinking at that moment, and I'm town, so I don't get a real read in any direction here either (I know some of you were getting slight scum vibes from him at that point, what with softdefending the scummy looking Nisani and me, but he really understood my though process) There is however a noticeable absence of any accusations in his filter, which suggests he's either an uninterested townie, 3rd Party or scum. In conclusion, Maju looks less townish than the Night 0 discussion leaders (Acrofales and HiroPro, later EchelonTee), but not scummy enough for me to be willing to lynch him. On June 19 2012 04:06 KharadBanar wrote:Why not? If Bio doesn't get pressured we may never hear a something useful from him. On the other hand, Maju pretty much has the same problems as Bio right now. I'm not opposed to pressuring him right now either. In fact, I want to get more people in this thread to not lurk. ##Vote: MajuGarzett On June 19 2012 05:51 KharadBanar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 05:45 EchelonTee wrote: npnpnpnpn, just want to make sure you don't do it too last minute.
Maju or Dropbear. Vote em or bring a better case. I am for DropBear at the moment, the reason being that DropBear actually played somewhat scummy, Maju "just" lurked until now. I'm keeping my lynch vote on Maju though.
So... we go gradually from "he's not my first scum candidate", to "lurking scum" and finally to "scummier people are around, but keeping my vote on the lurker".
Scummy voting behaviour if ever I've seen it. KB is looking pretty solid as a 3rd party lynch. And I already pointed out that DropBear has a strange twisted view of KB's playstyle. + Show Spoiler [Koala thinks KB is scum... or does he?] +On June 18 2012 22:59 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 21:13 Acrofales wrote:On June 18 2012 20:03 DropBear wrote: Lol Acrofales that first post started off with the lyrics from the matchbox 20 song 3am because it was 3am my time. I was saying that I don't want to join house Chezinu, whats the problem there? I very specifically took a stance against joining, how is that blending?
No shit Hiro never mentioned the King. I thought his recruitment drive thing was cos he was allied with the king and was asking him if it was true.
You don't mind my post as to saying why I find KB suspicious, but then you don't think its a reason to want him dead? That's a paradox. You can't like my reasoning and then tell me its bad reasoning. I want KB dead and I stand by that. You have omitted several of my posts that also indicate that I don't trust him.
This case seems poorly thought out man. I wouldn't go so far as to say manufactured, but poorly thought out.
If you don't think KB is town, why would you not want him dead as well? I still don't understand how you ever got a link between Hiro and the king... it makes no sense. You didn't "very specifically take a stance against Chezinu", you said you didn't trust them "yet", which is about the same as saying nothing. Drazerk took a stance against Chezinu. I took a stance against Chezinu. Talismania made his opinon on Chezinu clear (saying he wanted more info before considering them). Nisani and KB also had a clear stance on Chezinu. You just blended, making a post that can be interpreted either way. The same is your early pressure on KB: at the time it was good. It was a correctly voiced suspicion of some suspicious shit. However, he answered your suspicions. Your only real post about KB since then was "I want him dead". I guess when you say you've posted "other stuff on KB" indicating you don't trust him, you are referring to this: On June 17 2012 11:47 DropBear wrote:On June 17 2012 05:15 KharadBanar wrote:On June 17 2012 04:50 DropBear wrote:Something about this post from KharadBanar seems a bit off. On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote: If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that. By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason. This is a whole bunch of filler really. You can say I don't want to join cos of lack of trust, why bother with the extended spiel about how giving info to scum is bad? Why crap on about how they can't tell everything? Are you trying to look like you are contributing? You also don't seem to be including yourself in the townies you speak of, are you a third party KB? Welp, there goes my "ignoring The HOUSE" stance, because I want to explain myself: I bother with the extended spiel about giving info to scum because I do not think everyone in this thread had realised this by then. The scum team would presumably be very interested in getting one (exactly one) of their players into The HOUSE so they can use him as an information link between all the players in The HOUSE and their own team. We (the town players) are all on our own until we join The HOUSE, but when we join The HOUSE to have a side conversation in there, that one scum player will be very happy to listen in on that and pass it on to his team mates. This is why I don't think that joining The HOUSE is advantageous to us. Finally, if we look at the extreme case where everyone but the anti-HOUSE players joins The HOUSE, we have a very weird situation where (I think) the Board of The HOUSE knows everyone's alignment but everyone else doesn't, and I have no idea who would profit from that but I don't want to try it out. I just wanted to "crap on about how they can't tell everything" because I thought about the issue and wanted to share my thoughts about it with you, which doesn't strike me as a very bad thing to do. Oh wow words words words this makes me think something is off about you even more. If we have any blues please kill/check him tonight. + Show Spoiler [Other stuff] +
Talismani, I don't have this information so are this king and monarchist activist person you speak of related or unrelated? My wikipedia search of what a monarchist activist is says that they support the crown, but may also support someone who has been deposed or rightfully belongs there
Does the monarchist activist support the current King or another one? I am guessing another one, as you say some people need to kill the activist. It makes sense that the current King and his subjects would want any challengers dead.
Furthermore, HiroPro I'm guessing you aren't the king himself but are allied with him/her? You still haven't actually given a reason to kill him. Which comes together with my final answer to you: why do you think KharadBanar is scum. I think he's not town. I am not yet sure he's anti-town and don't find his behaviour actually scummy... it seems far more likely that he's a survivor or some other non-helpful third party. My priorities are on finding and killing scum. So far, you're still my favourite target and this defense of yours is unconvincing. I don't mind being wrong, though. How about you tell me why KB is scum and should die. Yes he did answer my suspicions. With a post that made me more suspicious of him. I accused him of talking a lot and saying nothing, he replied, his reply was more of the same. I think he is scum because he made a slip that is not including himself among town. I think he is scum because of his constant apologising which shows inherent guilt. I think he is scum because of his flailing around based on popular opinion regarding house chezinu on night0 trying desperately not to offend anybody. I think he is scum because of his large wordy but contentless post saying things like "giving mafia information is bad" in 3 paragraphs that make it look like he is helping but he isn't. I think he is scum rather than a third party because Nisani is defending him and Nisani is dodgy as shit. Nisani defends him from both xcxkc or however you spell it and also myself. Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 10:19 Nisani201 wrote: I think the case is horrible. Could be a bus, not sure because I'm null on KB at the moment.
He takes out a lot of context from KB's actions, and he doesn't point out why points 1&2 are scummy. Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 10:19 Nisani201 wrote: I think the case is horrible. Could be a bus, not sure because I'm null on KB at the moment.
He takes out a lot of context from KB's actions, and he doesn't point out why points 1&2 are scummy. As for this first post I made which you keep bringing up, I said I wouldn't join. And I didn't join. My actions speak for themselves. This case has some merit (except for the connection crap with Nisani) On June 19 2012 12:51 DropBear wrote: Jesus christ you guys are spammy. Please stop with the one-liners!
I'm reading up. Good shot on majugarzett, I'm unvoting KB for now cos he was voting for maju according to the voting thread. WTF. See my case a few posts above for the reasoning. Additionally we have KB voting for Koala getting shot by Tali.
From this, either KB and DropBear are happily bussing the hell out of each other (a good tactic, but only really in the hands of Drazerk... or in the case of totally shitting up the thread a la Toad/VE), or they are not scum together, but both are scummy.
I therefore conclude that DropBear is most likely scum with Majuju and KB is some strange 3rd party who is completely uninterested in helping town (and quite possibly out to murder us all).
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On June 19 2012 19:05 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 18:35 EchelonTee wrote: about 8.5 hours to lynch. It's go time.
As far I can tell, the only viable candidates are Nisani201, DropBear, xsksc, or KB. Pick between then; since it's plurality lynch, there isn't as much rush hullabaloo to consolidate, but you best put your reasoning down.
I'd like opinions on xsksc, because there hasn't been much discussion on him. He also stated that he might not be around for deadline, which is troubling. Why am I a lynch candidate again? Because I think you're scum, as I stated here (with your inadequate reply) and here.
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Gone through xkksksdfkskswsc's filter (it's quite short) and have a null read on him. Maju's flip makes him neither more, nor less likely scum. The only reason to vote for him seems to be: the Nisani bandwagon is dodgy, Nisani wants to kill xkskskekekekkelol, so lets follow the OMGUS train.
I have also read Nisani's filter and other than the really dodgy roleclaim I have a null read. I think that a full roleclaim at this time is a really bad idea, and I am not willing to lynch Nisani just to get more info on the setup, because I think there are scummier people. What in Nisani's filter is setting people's alarm bells off (other than that dodgy roleclaim, which, btw, was also completely unnecessary if he's actually a dodgy 3rd party role)?
For the moment, I think neither nisani, nor xksjaakdquqiweksks are particularly good lynches and we should be lynching Koala or KB.
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@KB: you responding to my case on DropBear as if it was a case against you is quite hilarious. In fact, I don't think I have ever seen someone fail so badly at interpreting a post.
The entire post is a case against DropBear. You get mentioned in passing (and I admit I get a bit derailed there). I also don't think you're Maju's scumbuddy and agree that doesn't make sense for a number of reasons.
For more of a case against YOU, you should look at the later post I made. That is more where I explain how the Maju flip doesn't help you at all: I thought you were 3rd party before the flip and think you're still 3rd party.
Interestingly you gloat that I am wrong about saying you're a serial killer. So what are you? I *might* believe survivor. I won't believe you claiming town at this point.
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On June 19 2012 20:16 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 17:09 Acrofales wrote:Hurrah. So we can confirm Maju's meta: when he looks like scum in his first 5 posts, he is in fact scum! Nice shot, Tali. I'm also back on the KB train, btw. However, it's a weird love triangle with DropBear that I don't get at all. DropBear, on the other hand is not. His reason for taking his vote off KB is unconvincing. If he really doesn't think KB is scum, he would have said something that his defense is adequate, but if he was scum in the first place, then nobody going along with his mislynch is a good reason to put his vote to better use. See here: On June 19 2012 12:51 DropBear wrote: Jesus christ you guys are spammy. Please stop with the one-liners!
I'm reading up. Good shot on majugarzett, I'm unvoting KB for now cos he was voting for maju according to the voting thread. KB had his vote on Maju at the start of D1. Let me repeat that: START of the day. He didn't actually vote for Maju... nor do we know he would have if you are right, KB is scum and Maju was his scumbuddy. Even if he did end up voting, his main case is not Maju and he hasn't really been pushing for his lynch (in fact, he was setting himself up to be able to switch off without looking suspicions). How does a post like + Show Spoiler [KB "pressuring" Maju] +On June 19 2012 05:51 KharadBanar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 05:45 EchelonTee wrote: npnpnpnpn, just want to make sure you don't do it too last minute.
Maju or Dropbear. Vote em or bring a better case. I am for DropBear at the moment, the reason being that DropBear actually played somewhat scummy, Maju "just" lurked until now. I'm keeping my lynch vote on Maju though. let KB off the hook. If anything, it makes him look scummier. For more on how KB likes to "pressure" people in D1 when he's scum, I suggest you read Newbie VIII. His pressure there was about as convincing as this pressure on Maju was. However, back to DropBear. After being "convinced" that KB is no longer scum, he switches to Nisani. While there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to lynch Nisani (see other comments, below), his case seems forced. It is also just another run-of-the-mill candidate who has, in fact, all but claimed some kind of 3rd party role in the thread, yet the case doesn't mention that at all. As a final part of the puzzle, I suggest you search for Maju in DropBear's filter. The only time it pops up is after Tali shoots Maju. Scum don't like to mention each other... ever. They don't like to defend each other (because connections can be made) and they don't want to attack each other. Hence, a common scum play is to just not mention one's scumbuddies unless forced to. Note that this is more of a light scumslip addition than anything I would normally build a case around, but add it to generally scummy behaviour and I think we've found Maju's scumbuddy. Some of this is so illogical it hurts my brain and much of it is factually incorrect. I don't actually know how to respond to this other than that I am ignoring you from now on.
Wow. This is enlightening. Oh master of logic, please start by stating which parts are factually incorrect. When done with that, please explain what logic is wrong... and please please please do something that resembles serious scumhunting.
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On June 19 2012 21:18 DropBear wrote: How is my case on Nisani not substantial? He is running scared and defended a red. I always use big red letters in my accusations, as both mafia and town, read my past games.
Acrofales case still makes my head hurt. You voted for Majugarzett, maju flipped red, I unvoted you because of this. Apparently that makes me mafia these days sheesh.
So what I haven't mentioned Maju? I haven't mentioned like half the players in the game it's still day 1. It's that your reasoning seems to deliberately exclude any possible 3rd party, 2nd scumteam, etc, while what we know of the setup so far seems completely tailored to having 3rd parties or 2nd scumteam mechanics (and with the flip we have this pretty much confirmed: 2 scum seems highly unlikely).
I can see no reason why a town player would be convinced that KB is no longer scummy based on the flip, given the setup of this game. Yet you claim to have been convinced that KB is not scum based on the flip.
Why did the flip convince you that KB is town?
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On June 19 2012 21:26 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 21:17 Acrofales wrote:On June 19 2012 20:16 DropBear wrote:On June 19 2012 17:09 Acrofales wrote:Hurrah. So we can confirm Maju's meta: when he looks like scum in his first 5 posts, he is in fact scum! Nice shot, Tali. I'm also back on the KB train, btw. However, it's a weird love triangle with DropBear that I don't get at all. DropBear, on the other hand is not. His reason for taking his vote off KB is unconvincing. If he really doesn't think KB is scum, he would have said something that his defense is adequate, but if he was scum in the first place, then nobody going along with his mislynch is a good reason to put his vote to better use. See here: On June 19 2012 12:51 DropBear wrote: Jesus christ you guys are spammy. Please stop with the one-liners!
I'm reading up. Good shot on majugarzett, I'm unvoting KB for now cos he was voting for maju according to the voting thread. KB had his vote on Maju at the start of D1. Let me repeat that: START of the day. He didn't actually vote for Maju... nor do we know he would have if you are right, KB is scum and Maju was his scumbuddy. Even if he did end up voting, his main case is not Maju and he hasn't really been pushing for his lynch (in fact, he was setting himself up to be able to switch off without looking suspicions). How does a post like + Show Spoiler [KB "pressuring" Maju] +On June 19 2012 05:51 KharadBanar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 05:45 EchelonTee wrote: npnpnpnpn, just want to make sure you don't do it too last minute.
Maju or Dropbear. Vote em or bring a better case. I am for DropBear at the moment, the reason being that DropBear actually played somewhat scummy, Maju "just" lurked until now. I'm keeping my lynch vote on Maju though. let KB off the hook. If anything, it makes him look scummier. For more on how KB likes to "pressure" people in D1 when he's scum, I suggest you read Newbie VIII. His pressure there was about as convincing as this pressure on Maju was. However, back to DropBear. After being "convinced" that KB is no longer scum, he switches to Nisani. While there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to lynch Nisani (see other comments, below), his case seems forced. It is also just another run-of-the-mill candidate who has, in fact, all but claimed some kind of 3rd party role in the thread, yet the case doesn't mention that at all. As a final part of the puzzle, I suggest you search for Maju in DropBear's filter. The only time it pops up is after Tali shoots Maju. Scum don't like to mention each other... ever. They don't like to defend each other (because connections can be made) and they don't want to attack each other. Hence, a common scum play is to just not mention one's scumbuddies unless forced to. Note that this is more of a light scumslip addition than anything I would normally build a case around, but add it to generally scummy behaviour and I think we've found Maju's scumbuddy. Some of this is so illogical it hurts my brain and much of it is factually incorrect. I don't actually know how to respond to this other than that I am ignoring you from now on. Wow. This is enlightening. Oh master of logic, please start by stating which parts are factually incorrect. When done with that, please explain what logic is wrong... and please please please do something that resembles serious scumhunting. Wtf is serious scumhunting? I gave you a case on Nisani. I think he is red. I think he needs to hang. What more do you want from me? You yourself have only given one case, on me. Does that make you scum as well? OF COURSE IT DOESN'T. KB voted maju. Maju flipped red. I lose suspicion of KB because of this. According to you, that makes me mafia. Logically this just doesn't make sense. I lose some suspicion of him due to cold hard facts. Maju was mafia. KB voted for him. I never said I was "convinced" that KB is no longer mafia either. This is factually incorrect. If I did, please link me. I hadn't mentioned Maju, true. I also hadn't mentioned half the players in the game. By your logic, about half the game is on a scum team with me. You sir are tunnelling, KB is only voting for me cos I was drilling him earlier. I don't think you are mafia but I do think you need to reconsider the facts. Tunneling scum is not a bad thing (ask Mattchew). BLINDLY tunneling is bad, but I have my eyes wide open and am reading other people... I just think you're the scummiest of all. I will happily tunnel you until you die or I change my mind about you.
Scumhunting does not only consist of making PBPA cases. You can pressure people for information in many different ways. HiroPro's chezinu thing was actually a good example of an unorthodox method of scumhunting (and it caught at least one scum in Maju). Talismania put some decent pressure on. I would like to think that my active stance and tracking down people saying things I don't like the sound of is also helping town.
Oh, and additionally, I am not convinced by your Nisani case. I have looked at his filter and given my opinion on it.
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