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On June 20 2012 01:31 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 01:28 DropBear wrote:On June 20 2012 01:27 HiroPro wrote:On June 20 2012 01:23 DropBear wrote:
I still don't even understand what the case against me is let alone how to respond to it. If I go down can you idiots get Nisani please.
Also strongandbig for jumping on the bandwagon for the most laughable reason I have ever seen. You don't find KB suspicious anymore?
And I was right the first time.... Nisani and DB both have 4 votes. Nisani reached it first so he'll get lynched. DO YOU FUCKTARDS READ???? READ MY FUCKING POSTS Maju's role PM says that he only has 1 partner. There is no way a 15-player game only has one 2-man scum team. So we probably have a second scum team or some SK/assassins. KB putting a vote on Maju without calling for him to be vig shot doesn't do much to lower the chances that he's anti-town....
True but let's focus our efforts on finding Maju's partner here. He's the best lead we have.
KB is very unlikely to be that partner based on the fact that he put vote #4 on Maju.
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DropBear,
all the special roles have some sort of flavor name it seems. Deconduo was Phoenix Wright, the lie detector. I am Professor Badass, the daytime vigilante. What's yours? Why didn't you realize this is what people meant?
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On June 20 2012 01:38 KharadBanar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 01:36 talismania wrote:
True but let's focus our efforts on finding Maju's partner here. He's the best lead we have.
KB is very unlikely to be that partner based on the fact that he put vote #4 on Maju.
A little factual correction: My vote was the second one to go on Maju. It didn't decide anything at the time, but I wanted the possibility of a Maju lynch to be real should he not contribute from that point on.
Ah my bad.
KB what do you make of xsksc, hyaach, and strongandbig?
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so.
anyone else think kb and nisani are both third party and have some sort of immunity against this possible vengeance thing?
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Uh.
How does vengeful townie work again? I was under the impression that dropbear was supposed to die.
Or else a vote manipulation power was employed.
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oh I see it was vote manipulation by the king. Or maybe the king can just decide the lynch?
Hiro did someone make you king?
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Ok lots of stuff to digest.
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King
King can decide the lynch outright? Or has sick vote manipulation ability? Probably decides the lynch outright since KB only had 2 votes but who knows. There must be some reason King doesn't want to claim. I guess the same king can be repeated only once so perhaps he thinks he'll be re-appointed.
I will say this again since it probably got lost somewhere, but if I had shot the king yesterday, I would have died instead. Dunno if that says anything really though.
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Monarchist Activist
I'm guessing is pro-town as Acrofales suggests. He wins by dodging a third party anti-town faction clearly. Doesn't make sense for him to be scum (perhaps third party survivor?). So yeah. Pro-town or neutral. Doesn't want to give the king power to the wrong person.
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FourFace's claim
Bulletproof DT?? What a crazy stupid good role. It almost has to be insane for it to be balanced. I buy the claim though as it explains his behavior, especially his paranoia regarding Hiro as the day broke. FourFace can you claim whatever else was in your PM? Regarding king/MA/etc? I think you should check Nisani.
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DropBear's claim
Could be fake could be real. It did reek of desperation. DropBear, anything else in your PM that you'd like to claim?
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Amount of KP in the game??
We have at least one 2 person scum team with one KP. We had at least one SK with one KP per night, and I'm betting we have another one too given that "some" of the people who know about the MA want him dead according to my PM. That's possibly already 3 kp. I'm doubting whether there really is another 2 person scum team. It's possible I guess that other potential anti-monarchists might not have the exact same wincon as KB.
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Nisani.
You have more or less claimed third party it seems and there's a strong danger to me that you're just like KB. You're almost certainly going to be lynched. Care to actually claim?
(If Nisani really does have an "extra lose" wincon then it means he doesn't have exactly what KB had.)
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BioSC
Now that you're here, contribute something. Make a post and talk through your suspicions of people.
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Oh shit I just realized what you probably are.
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On June 20 2012 04:43 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 04:41 talismania wrote:
Oh shit I just realized what you probably are. You talking about Nisani? Seriously?
Yeah.
It all fits but I'm not clear what it really means.
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My role says that "some" of the people who know about the MA want him dead, which suggests to me that there are multiple AMAs.
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If town has no lynch power then literally we've already done the best we can with my shot FourFace. King is not the KP of the MA. That's a silly setup. Town just sits there hoping the MA picks off all the scum for them?
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FourFace what else is in your PM?
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I'm hoping that KB was the only SK-like role of the AMAs. Maybe the other one only has one KP per game or something.
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Well I think I'm probably wrong because it feels like the kind of thing I would be wrong about. Like too crazy to be true etc.
The hypothesis/conspiracy theory is that Nisani is actually the Monarchist Activist. He made KharadBanar king for some reason. The king gets to decide the lynch with the "hello X smiley face" thing. (I don't buy that KB typed that because he was saving Nisani from the vengeful townie thing - he had already unvote-voted after nisani's vote and said nothing then. This was done after fourface's vote, and kb was aware that he was just vote-unvoting for fourface as you can see from the thread).
KB was so willing to be the last vote on dropbear because he knew that even if dropbear was a vengeful townie it wouldn't matter because he knew he was king and actually got to decide the lynch. In fact he might have even figured that dropbear was scum faking his claim (knowing about the king mechanic), and didn't want him to die because it would increase his chances of surviving longer (more kp at night, another lynch distracted). KB probably saw that Nisani was similarly unconcerned about dying, and figured that nisani must know about the king mechanic, and figured him for the Monarchist Activist. Therefore he tried to meet his first wincon by lynching him, even if it meant he would likely not be around to meet his other wincon.
Unbeknownst to KB, the king actually can't lynch the MA. It's like my dayvig power. I couldn't have shot the king - I would have died instead. If the king tries to lynch the MA, the king dies instead. This also fits with KB's death post "Zephirdd PM'd me the whole story" implying that there's a "whole story" and that KB was surprised more than usual by his death.
Nisani being MA also fits with his claim of a "crazy role" and of having extra wincons and extra losscons. He loses if he is killed, and he loses if town loses. He wins if town wins and... something else? The king is never killed? He survives to the end? Dunno. But it seems like it would be the kind of role where that would fit.
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On June 20 2012 05:32 strongandbig wrote:
Talis, I think that KB didn't know he was the king. He changed his vote to himself and thought nisani would die from the vengeful townie thing. However, in actuality whoever the king votes for gets lynched. KB voted for himself, so he died.
This is pending a response to my question above. If the answer is "his vote was too late" then I'm wrong. If there is no answer then I think I'm right.
I also think fourface gets informed who the king is each day, and knows kb was the king and that's why he keeps insisting that the king dies, which is retarded.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense actually. I just reread what I posted and it's stupid as fuck lol.
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On June 20 2012 05:33 strongandbig wrote:
And as soon as you said "I think I know what you are" the nisani-as-MA theory popped out to me too.
Yeah it was dumb for me to post that. If he really is MA and MA is pro-town then maybe I've accidentally shot us in the foot. Anyway who knows? Bastard game.
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On June 20 2012 05:38 FourFace wrote:
strongandbig is behaving most scumishly. And you talis should also stop making inquiries about the identity of the MA. Only AMA want to know who the MA is and since the AMA are 3rd party you could be one of them even because you killed a scum
Do you get told who the king is each day?
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Drazerk you've been too quiet recently. What are your thoughts?
FourFace I do not get to know who the king is.
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On June 20 2012 07:13 Acrofales wrote:
WTF happened to the game I was playing earlier?
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xsksc is awake!
Why don't you tell us who you think Maju's partner is and why?
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So how do you account for this:
On June 19 2012 16:38 talismania wrote:
I will say this again:
it's really unlikely nisani is maju's partner.
Nisani claimed "a crazy role" with "extra win and extra lose" wincons. The existence of "extra lose" wincons was backed up by acrofales. Maju did not have any of these wincons. Therefore I find it an incredibly fortunate lie by nisani to have made that up if he is indeed maju's partner. More likely, nisani is third party or something.
(especially now given that we have a role pm that shows there are extra wincons as well)
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If you take nisani as 3rd party, then who would maju's partner be?
Do you have any other reads?
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