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talismania
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Ok everyone listen up. Here's what's happening: Mass Encrypted Roleclaim (1) Go to http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/javascrypt.html (2) Type in your role and win condition (I recommend doing this separately) (3) Post the encrypted message here, and store the key somewhere you won't lose it. (4) Play the game out normally (5) In the event that you are going to claim your role and win condition, do so by posting the key to your encrypted message __________________________ What this accomplishes: This forces scum to fake claim NOW. They cannot wait to see what kinds of roles are in the game. They cannot wait to see what kind of win conditions are in the game. They must come up with whatever lie they want to make on Night 0. This is way harder than coming up with a good situational lie later in the game. It doesn't hurt town at all. Scum gets no information from it, because everyone participates. Important points: EVERYONE PARTICIPATES. No exceptions. It doesn't hurt you if you're town, it only makes scum squirm a little. Even if you are vanilla townie, write "I am vanilla tonwie blahblahblah" EVERYONE DOES THIS NIGHT 0. No exceptions. The longer you wait the more information scum gets to figure out how best to fake their role. NO ONE POSTS THEIR KEY UNLESS IT IS NECESSARY. This should be obvious. But unless you're on the chopping block to be lynched, don't post your key. ______________________ I'll start: My role: + Show Spoiler + ##### Encrypted: decrypt with http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/ ZZZZZ UNUAF LVWWX VTNWQ RSJRQ UFHSW SECDA VUMEN VLUEB OSEUB USPRE FBTBC NSPMB JOQFQ FWCIP DKMNV VUTQO GNBTP COMCC ATUGP RFRRK HQPAH WWXJL OSDUD ETCWT GLNBA OMRJM UHDKR DVTPV SJSJU XOHVN IRJRW HIFMR EFXKG GDNQP QRFML MJSAC EJASQ SKGWF BKAOU JHHGH DVDCP FGLMW EMSUS PGWVP FPQHP TJSME EDFHA BQWEX LXQKC SEQFL XPGNN PKWFE NMKAN DCSBL LPAET WTGAW PIMHS LDATX XXTDE WABHD QKTFL QAICQ MWNFE LOWUD XOBKQ SXXEU CUTLQ LTKTC QMOEN UOHRV XWGJG WCSNT XBTGC MWGVN DAKLI ASWIS SURSG MBAIW MLAFC HOXEH IEVNU MDIKP MWUHX QLDAT PWALQ VTMXL PPDKE NGTXG JMHCA BDUAT SUKXQ OHTRU PASDO VJSDX GLADE UTSTS GKFQE LWGUM XCPNO MIMGK OJTGR IASQP OXMDT ODOWN JQXMQ IKSMC FVNBV HLLVW NFNPW INDCM HRSMX AANDE SIKGO UQBRR URSIW WTBRJ GBGKB ABDFP UWKGE OHXKL RFSFD CWBMD PMOMC UWLUD WNRDJ FPLLM NQJBU JASEO UJWVB VQWWC TVXGS HGDJF NCMSA ILAPU WNZZZ YYYYY ##### End encrypted message My win condition: + Show Spoiler + ##### Encrypted: decrypt with http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/ ZZZZZ WXIAB HUWXM RSKDQ RDONU VCNWX AWIQJ QLNUJ CLSUA EXJNS DBHGN ABXXC JRBIF PHFBC CBMCV GKTJU WVMAQ ONXAW GQDII GQJWB BJLSO WSBTB MRVHH UXJWH SLMWV CHWMH LNKHU MHVHJ JUFCS MHPHX BKINW TOOLR PTBSJ HEQNP BMLEQ CTTBG SJBEQ LWXLR ODXAN FMBRX IMQQD NUMQI FXKFB RHTTT RUQUW ISARE UDUIJ GHKHR DRLDC SIXOW RDEXQ HDIVW HPVHQ FHFIG CKWBK KEWDR VDUXL HFQIR MAWBC UBTFP URJFA RLFSN LFDOE WFMNG LOSSS UCGOQ UGUVU CODHO NQMHE PHLQQ ECGLV PSZZZ YYYYY ##### End encrypted message Note: I added some spam text in the middle of my mesage in order to get longer results. I suggest you all do the same. | ||
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Now to play normally: KharadBanar On June 17 2012 03:08 KharadBanar wrote: This whole House Chezinu thing sounds really fishy to me. It's advertised as "all upside, no downside" but we have to claim our role and abilities to get in there, and pledge loyalty to players we don't know the alignment of. In addition, Hiro says nothing about the organisational structure of the House, or if we get any rights/influence if we join, which normally means we don't get jack. I am not at all convinced. On June 17 2012 03:34 KharadBanar wrote: I don't fully trust House Chezinu's intentions yet, but I would like to claim that I am not one of its enemies, and would be interested in an alliance, similar to Nisani201. If this arrangement can be made, maybe we can talk about further deals in the future. So basically what happened here was that you reacted to what HiroPro posted in the thread by yourself, then went to your QT and talked it over with someone else and came back with an alliance offer, no? | ||
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On June 17 2012 04:00 FourFace wrote: Nah, but what happened here with you was that you knew this encrypted shiznit was for the birds and even anticipated the hosts response and snuck in a "I was mafia in bang bang so that's why i didn't post this shiznit there .. I'm town now so I post it this time" trying to hammer our subconscious into believing you are town after which you make up a story about KharadBanar to create a false buffer of opposition .. in contrast to your "obvious townieness" we should believe he's obviously scummy. A bold and aggressive tactic .. I think you're all crazy. On June 17 2012 04:13 strongandbig wrote: Talismania: I'm pretty sure Toad said in Bang Bang Mafia that you had posts typed out pregame, but would post them whether you were scum or town because they would gain you towncred. We've also seen in recent games (specifically, the recent pick your poison game) that when mafia think they can gain towncred by introducing a plan they tend to do so, even if that plan turns out to actually help town. I'm with fourface - it seems a little bit suspicious to me that you would try to say "yeah I didn't post it that other game because I was scum but this game I'm town so go me." If you actually played that way, you would be giving yourself away every time you decide not to post that same thing, everyone will think you're scum. I think you're smart enough to know this. Therefore, there must be some times when you are scum but post that same little thing. Ok guys. Here's the post from the pick your poison thread after the game was over where I hinted that I had an even more powerful use for encryption that I didn't reveal during the game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340727¤tpage=36#719 And here's a screenshot of the BangBangMafia2 scum qt where I reference the idea: http://imgur.com/ljI1J (Don't worry it doesn't reveal anything informative about that game) _____________ Also, fourface I'd like to return to your quote and ask you to clarify something in it: On June 17 2012 04:00 FourFace wrote: Nah, but what happened here with you was that you knew this encrypted shiznit was for the birds and even anticipated the hosts response and snuck in a "I was mafia in bang bang so that's why i didn't post this shiznit there .. I'm town now so I post it this time" trying to hammer our subconscious into believing you are town after which you make up a story about KharadBanar to create a false buffer of opposition .. in contrast to your "obvious townieness" we should believe he's obviously scummy. A bold and aggressive tactic .. I think you're all crazy. What kind of opposition was I making to what, exactly? To Kharadbanar or to what he's trying to do? (I wasn't trying to do either, I'm poking and prodding because that's what I do). | ||
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What is your win condition? Would me or anyone else joining your House of Chezinu help that win condition? If so, how? If not, then why are you asking people to join? My win condition is to win when all anti-town forces are eliminated. Does me joining your House help that? Why or why not? | ||
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Why did you ally with HiroPro? What is your win condition, and how do you think allying with HiroPro helps it? | ||
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On June 17 2012 04:48 KharadBanar wrote: I don't think we can get much information out of The HOUSE anyway, for the aforementioned reasons (their only advantage is information, so they're not going to give it to us for free). This in turn leads me to the opinion that Drazerk is very much right in ignoring The HOUSE for now. I will do so from now on (I'll not play against HiroPro or his faction since we are allies, but I'm not going to mention them too much in my posting) and I believe it is wise for you to do the same. What is your win condition, and how does being allied with HiroPro help you? Is your win condition compatible with mine? Mine is to eliminate all anti-town players. | ||
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On June 17 2012 04:53 HiroPro wrote: We are House Chezinu, 5th Party. That is all I am permitted to say. Portals of the past may aid you in learning about us. The number of board members will not be released. My personal win condition is to improve House Chezinu, 5th Party. Acceptable members joining obviously furthers this goal. Your claimed win condition is compatible with House Chezinu, 5th Party. Anti-town forces possess killing power which can harm the members of House Chezinu, 5th Party and their removal is beneficial. We are pleased to see the interest in joining and aiding House Chezinu, 5th Party. However, several individuals ask questions which can already be answered by reading the personal filter of Director of Recruitment/Funding HiroPro. Please do this. I am taking a lunch break and will be back in ~45 minutes. When you're back from your lunch break - "improve" House Chezinu? What does that mean, specifically? For instance, do you win when X players join your House? When members of your House are the only ones left alive? What is your win condition, specifically? | ||
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On June 17 2012 05:00 Nisani201 wrote: Because I prefer to make friends, not enemies. You conveniently omitted the second question I asked. What is your win condition and how does allying with HiroPro assist it? I'm sitting here with the win condition of having to eliminate all anti-town players. I don't need to ally anyone to do that as near as I can see, yet you have decided to do so. That means you probably don't have my win condition, which means you probably aren't town. So. What is your win condition, and how does allying HiroPro assist it? | ||
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On June 17 2012 05:03 Nisani201 wrote: Why don't I want friends? My win condition is to kill anti-town people. If House Chezinu can help me with that then I want to be friends with them. It's not like I'm permanently bound to them. If HiroPro does something stupid then I'll obviously break ties with him. Not enough. What made you think that House Chezinu could help you do that? HiroPro hadn't said anything detailed at all about the House (and still hasn't) and if you really have the same win condition as me, how you could come to the conlusion that randomly allying with a house would help you eliminate anti-town players? | ||
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On June 17 2012 05:15 KharadBanar wrote: [...] By allying with The HOUSE, I essentially eliminate some of the players (both town and scum) from the equation and can concentrate on studying the remaining ones (which should contain both town and scum too, if my calculations are correct.) [...] What? So now that you've magically allied - who has been eliminated from "the equation"? If you're eliminating both town and scum by allying, how does that help your stated win condition? Why would you want to eliminate "both town and scum" from the players you are "concentrating on studying" in order to discern their alignment? | ||
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On June 17 2012 05:24 KharadBanar wrote: Think of the alliance as a temporary cooperative effort to eliminate scum players not participating in The HOUSE. I am happy because we eliminate scum players, The HOUSE is happy because we eliminate non-HOUSE members. When I grow suspicious there are no more non-HOUSE scum players in the game, I can cancel my cooperation with The HOUSE, and both parties are satisfied because of the mutual cooperation as long as the alliance lasted. Yeah ok... I'm still having a hard time reconciling this with how you initially "allied". None of this was mentioned then. | ||
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On June 17 2012 04:53 HiroPro wrote: We are House Chezinu, 5th Party. That is all I am permitted to say. Portals of the past may aid you in learning about us. The number of board members will not be released. My personal win condition is to improve House Chezinu, 5th Party. Acceptable members joining obviously furthers this goal. Your claimed win condition is compatible with House Chezinu, 5th Party. Anti-town forces possess killing power which can harm the members of House Chezinu, 5th Party and their removal is beneficial. We are pleased to see the interest in joining and aiding House Chezinu, 5th Party. However, several individuals ask questions which can already be answered by reading the personal filter of Director of Recruitment/Funding HiroPro. Please do this. I am taking a lunch break and will be back in ~45 minutes. Another question for you when you get back: If you're win condition is compatible with mine because anti-town forces can kill House Chezinu members, then why are you so publicly advocating for this house? Why aren't you scared of being killed yourself? | ||
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On June 17 2012 05:31 KharadBanar wrote: I assume that if I cast doubt on a member of The HOUSE, HiroPro will alert me of it. If not, that alliance has more benefits for me than for them, because he basically "promised" that The HOUSE will try not to interfere in my affairs. Promises can be broken, though, and I know that I have to be careful in my alliance with them. This makes no sense AT ALL. Scenario: "I'm KharadBanar. I think X is scum" "I'm HiroPro. Lol don't attack X Kharad! We're allies, and X is in the House of Chezinu!" All posted in the thread?? tl;dr - HiroPro isn't going to reveal who's in his house (if anyone) no matter whether you're allied with them. | ||
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On June 17 2012 06:23 Acrofales wrote: I'm not really convinced we found any scum yet. KB seems more 3rd party than scum, but he definitely doesn't sound townie. I haven't yet made up my mind on whether House Chezinu is neutral or anti-town. As Talismania pointed out, it is rather strange that HiroPro is not afraid of getting shot, so friendship with scum is likely. I don't want to get into details at night, but there's some other weird stuff that we should talk about during the day. Curious that you know you're going to survive the night. This was considered a "scumslip" that killed my scumbuddy toad in Pick Your Poison. In case you are town as you've said: post these details/weird stuff right on the deadline. | ||
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(1) There is a "King" (2) There is a "Monarchist Activist" (3) Several others of you know there's a Monarchist Activist, and some of you want to kill him. (so there's a wincon involving the death of the Monarchist Activist I'm guessing). Anyone have anything else? ______ My random setup speculation: with only 15 players one mafia team of 3 + a SK role is possible but not terribly likely. Too quick of a lylo. I think it's more likely that there's 2 anti-town teams of 2 players each with one kp apiece. Then at least 2 different kinds of third parties, and at least 5-6 town players. | ||
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On June 17 2012 07:17 HiroPro wrote: Mmm, so that's your wincon. Thanks for sharing! But you really should send stuff like that as part of your application. I'm not applying? My wincon is what I said it was, nothing more. To eliminate all anti-town forces. | ||
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On June 17 2012 07:15 Acrofales wrote: Mainly because I didn't want to even mention the monarchist activist while unknown people with KP are running are running around and probably trying to find him to shoot him. Insofar as I understand there is no king "yet", but the monarchist activist will make someone king at some point. Well I assume those people already knew they had to kill the MA and I assume the MA already knows there's people gunning for him. Dunno how revealing this changes anything. Interesting that you got info about how the king works. Makes sense. I did not get that info in my role PM. | ||
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