Bastard Mafia 2 - Page 2

On June 19 2012 13:55 EchelonTee wrote:

did you read the thread?

On June 19 2012 14:11 xsksc wrote:
It's not relevant anymore, but if you think you've found a blueslip, why would you draw attention to it? o.O

On June 19 2012 18:35 EchelonTee wrote:
about 8.5 hours to lynch. It's go time.

As far I can tell, the only viable candidates are Nisani201, DropBear, xsksc, or KB. Pick between then; since it's plurality lynch, there isn't as much rush hullabaloo to consolidate, but you best put your reasoning down.

I'd like opinions on xsksc, because there hasn't been much discussion on him. He also stated that he might not be around for deadline, which is troubling.

On June 19 2012 18:24 EchelonTee wrote:

This is actually quite. Nisani is probably 3rd party unless he simply lied about having multiple win. Now that I think about it, when he said "I don't want to start a feud with a potentially strong faction", that sounds a lot like a 3rd party saying "I don't want any trouble boys, do your thing". Add in that he hasn't been hiding to the extent that Maju did, means that I'm fairly confident Nisani is 3rd.cons. Whether he is an SK-type or a survivor-type we don't know.

You guys have to remember that 1. Maju appears to only have 1 partner, and 2. there are likely to be SK types or other mafia factions. With that in mind, just because someone does mention, or doesn't mention Maju doesn't damn them or exonerate them. The associative tell is stronger in a standard game; in this setup, we can't just say "DropBear didn't mention Maju, must be his partner".

We're running very low on time. I am not saying this to fearmonger; I am saying this because we have to decide on a lynch ASAP and last minute sht never works. Nisani is probably 3rd party; a lynch on him would be OK; but I do consider it less likely that he will flip anti-town due to his behavior.

I need to think about it more. Nisani is my backup lynch preference if the next 8 hours is a shit show, as I doubt he's Town, but I would prefer to find someone scummier. It's quite possible he's a harmless 3rd, and he hasn't been completely non-constructive or whatever the heck.

On June 19 2012 17:09 Acrofales wrote:
Hurrah. So we can confirm Maju's meta: when he looks like scum in his first 5 posts, he is in fact scum! Nice shot, Tali.

I'm also back on the KB train, btw. However, it's a weird love triangle with DropBear that I don't get at all.

DropBear, on the other hand is not. His reason for taking his vote off KB is unconvincing. If he really doesn't think KB is scum, he would have said something that his defense is adequate, but if he was scum in the first place, then nobody going along with his mislynch is a good reason to put his vote to better use. See here:

KB had his vote on Maju at the start of D1. Let me repeat that: START of the day. He didn't actually vote for Maju... nor do we know he would have if you are right, KB is scum and Maju was his scumbuddy. Even if he did end up voting, his main case is not Maju and he hasn't really been pushing for his lynch (in fact, he was setting himself up to be able to switch off without looking suspicions). How does a post like + Show Spoiler [KB "pressuring" Maju] +
let KB off the hook. If anything, it makes him look scummier.

For more on how KB likes to "pressure" people in D1 when he's scum, I suggest you read Newbie VIII. His pressure there was about as convincing as this pressure on Maju was.

However, back to DropBear. After being "convinced" that KB is no longer scum, he switches to Nisani. While there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to lynch Nisani (see other comments, below), his case seems forced. It is also just another run-of-the-mill candidate who has, in fact, all but claimed some kind of 3rd party role in the thread, yet the case doesn't mention that at all.

As a final part of the puzzle, I suggest you search for Maju in DropBear's filter. The only time it pops up is after Tali shoots Maju. Scum don't like to mention each other... ever. They don't like to defend each other (because connections can be made) and they don't want to attack each other. Hence, a common scum play is to just not mention one's scumbuddies unless forced to. Note that this is more of a light scumslip addition than anything I would normally build a case around, but add it to generally scummy behaviour and I think we've found Maju's scumbuddy.

On June 19 2012 20:17 Drazerk wrote:
At least go all blazing hand on us

On June 19 2012 16:12 Nisani201 wrote:
Dropbear cares more about taking credit for this lynch than hunting scum, he could be third party.

On June 19 2012 21:17 Acrofales wrote:


Wow. This is enlightening. Oh master of logic, please start by stating which parts are factually incorrect. When done with that, please explain what logic is wrong... and please please please do something that resembles serious scumhunting.

On June 19 2012 21:30 Acrofales wrote:

It's that your reasoning seems to deliberately exclude any possible 3rd party, 2nd scumteam, etc, while what we know of the setup so far seems completely tailored to having 3rd parties or 2nd scumteam mechanics (and with the flip we have this pretty much confirmed: 2 scum seems highly unlikely).

I can see no reason why a town player would be convinced that KB is no longer scummy based on the flip, given the setup of this game. Yet you claim to have been convinced that KB is not scum based on the flip.

Why did the flip convince you that KB is town?

On June 19 2012 21:35 strongandbig wrote:
Good morning my Euro amigos!

The extra win loss thing seems pretty persuasive that nisani isn't maju's partner.

It seems like we have a decent chance to take out an entire scum team day 1 so I'm gonna be voting based on who might be maju's partner. Right now that looks to be most likely xk or dropbear. Between the two of them I'm voting for dropbear, both look scummy but I don't think scum would be openly defending each other yet.
##vote: dropbear

On June 19 2012 21:52 Acrofales wrote:

He has claimed it is not in contradiction with town wincon too. The point is that it leaves the following possibilities:

1. Nisani is telling the truth about having extra win/loss conditions. That seems not to jibe with Maju's role pm, so they are not scum together.
2. Nisani is lying about having extra win/loss conditions. Nisani was the FIRST to claim he had extra conditions and he has done so in decent enough detail for now. That means:
a. He is scum with an incredibly lucky guess to say something that jibes with, at the very least, my own role pm (at least as far as extra loss conditions go).
b. He is scum and scum was provided with full false roleclaims to use... he then volunteered this info at a time when it wasn't strictly necessary.
c. He is not Maju's scumbuddy, but something else.

Out of these, (2c) seems by far the most likely to me.

Hmmm... interesting role claim. What is your name?

On June 20 2012 01:27 HiroPro wrote:


You don't find KB suspicious anymore?

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And I was right the first time.... Nisani and DB both have 4 votes. Nisani reached it first so he'll get lynched.