Bastard Mafia 2

On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:
If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.
By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason.

On June 17 2012 05:15 KharadBanar wrote:


Welp, there goes my "ignoring The HOUSE" stance, because I want to explain myself:
I bother with the extended spiel about giving info to scum because I do not think everyone in this thread had realised this by then. The scum team would presumably be very interested in getting one (exactly one) of their players into The HOUSE so they can use him as an information link between all the players in The HOUSE and their own team. We (the town players) are all on our own until we join The HOUSE, but when we join The HOUSE to have a side conversation in there, that one scum player will be very happy to listen in on that and pass it on to his team mates.
This is why I don't think that joining The HOUSE is advantageous to us. Finally, if we look at the extreme case where everyone but the anti-HOUSE players joins The HOUSE, we have a very weird situation where (I think) the Board of The HOUSE knows everyone's alignment but everyone else doesn't, and I have no idea who would profit from that but I don't want to try it out.
I just wanted to "crap on about how they can't tell everything" because I thought about the issue and wanted to share my thoughts about it with you, which doesn't strike me as a very bad thing to do.

On June 18 2012 09:58 xsksc wrote:


I'm not sure if it's worth wasting the shot. Who would you lynch if KB was out of the equation?

On June 18 2012 10:19 Nisani201 wrote:
I think the case is horrible. Could be a bus, not sure because I'm null on KB at the moment.

He takes out a lot of context from KB's actions, and he doesn't point out why points 1&2 are scummy.

On June 17 2012 03:34 KharadBanar wrote:
I don't fully trust House Chezinu's intentions yet, but I would like to claim that I am not one of its enemies, and would be interested in an alliance, similar to Nisani201.

If this arrangement can be made, maybe we can talk about further deals in the future.

On June 17 2012 03:57 KharadBanar wrote:
No it's not.
What happened is that HiroPro made two other posts further explaining the concept of House Chezinu, and Nisani201 successfully allied with them without having to full-roleclaim.

Realising that this was a possibility (Nisani's offer was accepted after all) I briefly checked the advantages and disadvantages of such an alliance and came to the conclusion that an alliance without giving away sensitive data could be in my best interests.

Think of it as House Chezinu being Facebook: You don't want to give Mr. Zuckerberg all you personal information, but if you play against them you can expect to be negatively surprised. (Further parallels of joining House Chezinu, 5th Party and joining Facebook include the agreement to some huge pile of legalese you can't quite understand)

On June 18 2012 21:13 Acrofales wrote:

I still don't understand how you ever got a link between Hiro and the king... it makes no sense. You didn't "very specifically take a stance against Chezinu", you said you didn't trust them "yet", which is about the same as saying nothing. Drazerk took a stance against Chezinu. I took a stance against Chezinu. Talismania made his opinon on Chezinu clear (saying he wanted more info before considering them). Nisani and KB also had a clear stance on Chezinu. You just blended, making a post that can be interpreted either way.

The same is your early pressure on KB: at the time it was good. It was a correctly voiced suspicion of some suspicious shit. However, he answered your suspicions. Your only real post about KB since then was "I want him dead". I guess when you say you've posted "other stuff on KB" indicating you don't trust him, you are referring to this:

You still haven't actually given a reason to kill him. Which comes together with my final answer to you: why do you think KharadBanar is scum. I think he's not town. I am not yet sure he's anti-town and don't find his behaviour actually scummy... it seems far more likely that he's a survivor or some other non-helpful third party. My priorities are on finding and killing scum. So far, you're still my favourite target and this defense of yours is unconvincing. I don't mind being wrong, though. How about you tell me why KB is scum and should die.

On June 18 2012 10:19 Nisani201 wrote:
I think the case is horrible. Could be a bus, not sure because I'm null on KB at the moment.

He takes out a lot of context from KB's actions, and he doesn't point out why points 1&2 are scummy.

On June 18 2012 10:19 Nisani201 wrote:
I think the case is horrible. Could be a bus, not sure because I'm null on KB at the moment.

He takes out a lot of context from KB's actions, and he doesn't point out why points 1&2 are scummy.

On June 18 2012 10:26 Nisani201 wrote:
The third point is lacking "context." He accuses KB of being diplomatic with the horse chezinu but in reality that is not true.

On June 18 2012 06:43 Nisani201 wrote:
Some other points to make:

If you are the "king" then you should claim that you are, as well as the powers you have.

I also don't like the case on Maju

On June 19 2012 05:40 EchelonTee wrote:
DropBear

His first post is fairly fluffy regarding the house, talking about "I don't not trust you, but I don't trust you", and "VE lolol", which isn't ordinarily a big concern for the early game, but considering that his suspicion on KB is for talking about "filler", it's hypocritical. Esp. since KB's speculation is more relevant than DB's (KB specifically says be careful with your alignment.

Same point, DB is implying that KB being diplomatic towards the House is scummy, even though DB's first post was diplomatic as fck.

He warps some logic when trying to tunnel KB more. He uses the fact that Nisani is defending him as a reason to call KB scummy; there is no associative tell to make, you don't know Nisani's alignment. I already adressed the House comments. The "scumslip" he mentions isn't much. The biggest reason why he calls KB is scum is because "has big fluffy posts where he doesn't say much", but KB has been doing a lot more since then, which DB ignores.

He's been playing a very tight game where his only accusation is on KB, considered to be an "easy accusation". This is not scummy inherently, but it's how I would've played it as scum, probably. Make an accusation that is easy, don't post much else on other topics.

On June 19 2012 05:40 EchelonTee wrote:
This is not scummy inherently, but it's how I would've played it as scum, probably.

On June 18 2012 07:09 deconduo wrote:
I think Hiro pointed out that people who allied with Chezinu were probably scum/survivors but I disagree. Wanting to increase your survival chances is a town trait for people who feel they have a good blue role, especially docs/cops. As for the individual people: