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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 15 2012 13:04 GMT
#42
/in if its only 15 players

I haven't played in ages
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 15 2012 17:43 GMT
#57
/in

you missed me
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 16 2012 03:01 GMT
#72
Lol 2am deadline. Time to get my insomnia back on!
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 16 2012 19:00 GMT
#138
And I said baby... doo doo... it's 3am I must be lonely... doo doo

Hello all! I am fantabulously confused already. HiroPro I regretfully must pass on your offer for the time being, as you speak of fellow board members who remain undisclosed and speak of supporting members at lynch time regardless of their suspected alignment. Please don't be offended, it's not that I don't trust you, it's that I don't trust you YET. Plus it's hard to trust your associates when I don't know who they are

Just out of interest, what did your promotion of VisceraEyes achieve? Was he originally part of your group or did he join up after your recruitment announcement?



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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 16 2012 19:50 GMT
#179
Something about this post from KharadBanar seems a bit off.

On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:
If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.
By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason.


This is a whole bunch of filler really. You can say I don't want to join cos of lack of trust, why bother with the extended spiel about how giving info to scum is bad? Why crap on about how they can't tell everything? Are you trying to look like you are contributing?

You also don't seem to be including yourself in the townies you speak of, are you a third party KB?
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 17 2012 02:47 GMT
#268
On June 17 2012 05:15 KharadBanar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 04:50 DropBear wrote:
Something about this post from KharadBanar seems a bit off.

On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:
If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.
By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason.


This is a whole bunch of filler really. You can say I don't want to join cos of lack of trust, why bother with the extended spiel about how giving info to scum is bad? Why crap on about how they can't tell everything? Are you trying to look like you are contributing?

You also don't seem to be including yourself in the townies you speak of, are you a third party KB?


Welp, there goes my "ignoring The HOUSE" stance, because I want to explain myself:
I bother with the extended spiel about giving info to scum because I do not think everyone in this thread had realised this by then. The scum team would presumably be very interested in getting one (exactly one) of their players into The HOUSE so they can use him as an information link between all the players in The HOUSE and their own team. We (the town players) are all on our own until we join The HOUSE, but when we join The HOUSE to have a side conversation in there, that one scum player will be very happy to listen in on that and pass it on to his team mates.
This is why I don't think that joining The HOUSE is advantageous to us. Finally, if we look at the extreme case where everyone but the anti-HOUSE players joins The HOUSE, we have a very weird situation where (I think) the Board of The HOUSE knows everyone's alignment but everyone else doesn't, and I have no idea who would profit from that but I don't want to try it out.
I just wanted to "crap on about how they can't tell everything" because I thought about the issue and wanted to share my thoughts about it with you, which doesn't strike me as a very bad thing to do.


Oh wow words words words this makes me think something is off about you even more. If we have any blues please kill/check him tonight.



Talismani, I don't have this information so are this king and monarchist activist person you speak of related or unrelated? My wikipedia search of what a monarchist activist is says that they support the crown, but may also support someone who has been deposed or rightfully belongs there

Does the monarchist activist support the current King or another one? I am guessing another one, as you say some people need to kill the activist. It makes sense that the current King and his subjects would want any challengers dead.

Furthermore, HiroPro I'm guessing you aren't the king himself but are allied with him/her?
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 18 2012 00:54 GMT
#443
I want KB dead. Let's geddim. He is running scared and trying desperately to appear helpful but not actually saying anything.
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 18 2012 00:57 GMT
#445
Can you shoot KB talismania?
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 18 2012 01:08 GMT
#449
On June 18 2012 09:58 xsksc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 09:57 DropBear wrote:
Can you shoot KB talismania?


I'm not sure if it's worth wasting the shot. Who would you lynch if KB was out of the equation?

Talismania has claimed dayvig. He is getting shot by the mafia tonight whether he is lying or not. If he actually DOES have the shot, he needs to use it today now that he has claimed.

Talismania if you are actually a dayvig please use your shot on KB.

Besides KB I would kill Drazerk so he stfus and stops spamming the thread.
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 18 2012 01:10 GMT
#451
Xsksc you are making so much sense it makes me happy. Please don't get yourself killed.
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 18 2012 01:23 GMT
#458
On June 18 2012 10:19 Nisani201 wrote:
I think the case is horrible. Could be a bus, not sure because I'm null on KB at the moment.

He takes out a lot of context from KB's actions, and he doesn't point out why points 1&2 are scummy.

Context? Isn't context everything? Wtf does this even mean?

Alright talismania how bout you shoot Nisani instead? We can hang KB and shoot Nisani.
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 18 2012 01:33 GMT
#460
Sorry Nisani he wasn't being diplomatic to Chezinu?

What about this?
On June 17 2012 03:34 KharadBanar wrote:
I don't fully trust House Chezinu's intentions yet, but I would like to claim that I am not one of its enemies, and would be interested in an alliance, similar to Nisani201.

If this arrangement can be made, maybe we can talk about further deals in the future.


And this?
On June 17 2012 03:57 KharadBanar wrote:
No it's not.
What happened is that HiroPro made two other posts further explaining the concept of House Chezinu, and Nisani201 successfully allied with them without having to full-roleclaim.

Realising that this was a possibility (Nisani's offer was accepted after all) I briefly checked the advantages and disadvantages of such an alliance and came to the conclusion that an alliance without giving away sensitive data could be in my best interests.

Think of it as House Chezinu being Facebook: You don't want to give Mr. Zuckerberg all you personal information, but if you play against them you can expect to be negatively surprised. (Further parallels of joining House Chezinu, 5th Party and joining Facebook include the agreement to some huge pile of legalese you can't quite understand)


Your scumbuddy making slipups?
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 18 2012 11:03 GMT
#475
Lol Acrofales that first post started off with the lyrics from the matchbox 20 song 3am because it was 3am my time. I was saying that I don't want to join house Chezinu, whats the problem there? I very specifically took a stance against joining, how is that blending?

No shit Hiro never mentioned the King. I thought his recruitment drive thing was cos he was allied with the king and was asking him if it was true.

You don't mind my post as to saying why I find KB suspicious, but then you don't think its a reason to want him dead? That's a paradox. You can't like my reasoning and then tell me its bad reasoning. I want KB dead and I stand by that. You have omitted several of my posts that also indicate that I don't trust him.

This case seems poorly thought out man. I wouldn't go so far as to say manufactured, but poorly thought out.

If you don't think KB is town, why would you not want him dead as well?
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 18 2012 13:59 GMT
#489
On June 18 2012 21:13 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 20:03 DropBear wrote:
Lol Acrofales that first post started off with the lyrics from the matchbox 20 song 3am because it was 3am my time. I was saying that I don't want to join house Chezinu, whats the problem there? I very specifically took a stance against joining, how is that blending?

No shit Hiro never mentioned the King. I thought his recruitment drive thing was cos he was allied with the king and was asking him if it was true.

You don't mind my post as to saying why I find KB suspicious, but then you don't think its a reason to want him dead? That's a paradox. You can't like my reasoning and then tell me its bad reasoning. I want KB dead and I stand by that. You have omitted several of my posts that also indicate that I don't trust him.

This case seems poorly thought out man. I wouldn't go so far as to say manufactured, but poorly thought out.

If you don't think KB is town, why would you not want him dead as well?

I still don't understand how you ever got a link between Hiro and the king... it makes no sense. You didn't "very specifically take a stance against Chezinu", you said you didn't trust them "yet", which is about the same as saying nothing. Drazerk took a stance against Chezinu. I took a stance against Chezinu. Talismania made his opinon on Chezinu clear (saying he wanted more info before considering them). Nisani and KB also had a clear stance on Chezinu. You just blended, making a post that can be interpreted either way.

The same is your early pressure on KB: at the time it was good. It was a correctly voiced suspicion of some suspicious shit. However, he answered your suspicions. Your only real post about KB since then was "I want him dead". I guess when you say you've posted "other stuff on KB" indicating you don't trust him, you are referring to this:
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On June 17 2012 11:47 DropBear wrote:
On June 17 2012 05:15 KharadBanar wrote:
On June 17 2012 04:50 DropBear wrote:
Something about this post from KharadBanar seems a bit off.

On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:
If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.
By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason.


This is a whole bunch of filler really. You can say I don't want to join cos of lack of trust, why bother with the extended spiel about how giving info to scum is bad? Why crap on about how they can't tell everything? Are you trying to look like you are contributing?

You also don't seem to be including yourself in the townies you speak of, are you a third party KB?


Welp, there goes my "ignoring The HOUSE" stance, because I want to explain myself:
I bother with the extended spiel about giving info to scum because I do not think everyone in this thread had realised this by then. The scum team would presumably be very interested in getting one (exactly one) of their players into The HOUSE so they can use him as an information link between all the players in The HOUSE and their own team. We (the town players) are all on our own until we join The HOUSE, but when we join The HOUSE to have a side conversation in there, that one scum player will be very happy to listen in on that and pass it on to his team mates.
This is why I don't think that joining The HOUSE is advantageous to us. Finally, if we look at the extreme case where everyone but the anti-HOUSE players joins The HOUSE, we have a very weird situation where (I think) the Board of The HOUSE knows everyone's alignment but everyone else doesn't, and I have no idea who would profit from that but I don't want to try it out.
I just wanted to "crap on about how they can't tell everything" because I thought about the issue and wanted to share my thoughts about it with you, which doesn't strike me as a very bad thing to do.


Oh wow words words words this makes me think something is off about you even more. If we have any blues please kill/check him tonight.
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Talismani, I don't have this information so are this king and monarchist activist person you speak of related or unrelated? My wikipedia search of what a monarchist activist is says that they support the crown, but may also support someone who has been deposed or rightfully belongs there

Does the monarchist activist support the current King or another one? I am guessing another one, as you say some people need to kill the activist. It makes sense that the current King and his subjects would want any challengers dead.

Furthermore, HiroPro I'm guessing you aren't the king himself but are allied with him/her?


You still haven't actually given a reason to kill him. Which comes together with my final answer to you: why do you think KharadBanar is scum. I think he's not town. I am not yet sure he's anti-town and don't find his behaviour actually scummy... it seems far more likely that he's a survivor or some other non-helpful third party. My priorities are on finding and killing scum. So far, you're still my favourite target and this defense of yours is unconvincing. I don't mind being wrong, though. How about you tell me why KB is scum and should die.

Yes he did answer my suspicions. With a post that made me more suspicious of him. I accused him of talking a lot and saying nothing, he replied, his reply was more of the same.

I think he is scum because he made a slip that is not including himself among town.

I think he is scum because of his constant apologising which shows inherent guilt.

I think he is scum because of his flailing around based on popular opinion regarding house chezinu on night0 trying desperately not to offend anybody.

I think he is scum because of his large wordy but contentless post saying things like "giving mafia information is bad" in 3 paragraphs that make it look like he is helping but he isn't.

I think he is scum rather than a third party because Nisani is defending him and Nisani is dodgy as shit. Nisani defends him from both xcxkc or however you spell it and also myself.

On June 18 2012 10:19 Nisani201 wrote:
I think the case is horrible. Could be a bus, not sure because I'm null on KB at the moment.

He takes out a lot of context from KB's actions, and he doesn't point out why points 1&2 are scummy.



On June 18 2012 10:19 Nisani201 wrote:
I think the case is horrible. Could be a bus, not sure because I'm null on KB at the moment.

He takes out a lot of context from KB's actions, and he doesn't point out why points 1&2 are scummy.


As for this first post I made which you keep bringing up, I said I wouldn't join. And I didn't join. My actions speak for themselves.
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 18 2012 14:01 GMT
#490
Whups wrong second quote

On June 18 2012 10:26 Nisani201 wrote:
The third point is lacking "context." He accuses KB of being diplomatic with the horse chezinu but in reality that is not true.
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 19 2012 03:51 GMT
#872
Jesus christ you guys are spammy. Please stop with the one-liners!

I'm reading up. Good shot on majugarzett, I'm unvoting KB for now cos he was voting for maju according to the voting thread.
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 19 2012 04:18 GMT
#873
Alright I've already called out Nisani as being suss, this just looks real bad now.

On June 18 2012 06:43 Nisani201 wrote:
Some other points to make:

If you are the "king" then you should claim that you are, as well as the powers you have.

I also don't like the case on Maju


This never got explained sir.

Voting for Nisani
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 19 2012 04:31 GMT
#874
On June 19 2012 05:40 EchelonTee wrote:
DropBear

His first post is fairly fluffy regarding the house, talking about "I don't not trust you, but I don't trust you", and "VE lolol", which isn't ordinarily a big concern for the early game, but considering that his suspicion on KB is for talking about "filler", it's hypocritical. Esp. since KB's speculation is more relevant than DB's (KB specifically says be careful with your alignment.

Same point, DB is implying that KB being diplomatic towards the House is scummy, even though DB's first post was diplomatic as fck.

He warps some logic when trying to tunnel KB more. He uses the fact that Nisani is defending him as a reason to call KB scummy; there is no associative tell to make, you don't know Nisani's alignment. I already adressed the House comments. The "scumslip" he mentions isn't much. The biggest reason why he calls KB is scum is because "has big fluffy posts where he doesn't say much", but KB has been doing a lot more since then, which DB ignores.

He's been playing a very tight game where his only accusation is on KB, considered to be an "easy accusation". This is not scummy inherently, but it's how I would've played it as scum, probably. Make an accusation that is easy, don't post much else on other topics.

My first post in this game was made drunk as hell at 3am on a Saturday night.

Read it again. What it says is I AM NOT JOINING HOUSE CHEZINU.

What warped logic? I greatly suspect Nisani's alignment, even more now after his defence of Maju that I linked in the post prior to this. And scumbuddies defend each other, no?

KB's posting continued to be overly verbose and not actually saying all that much of substance. I still am suspicious of his alignment.

As for the last bit, I'm going to requote you.

On June 19 2012 05:40 EchelonTee wrote:
This is not scummy inherently, but it's how I would've played it as scum, probably.

I'm sorry, what?
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 19 2012 04:39 GMT
#875
NISANI201 IS A SCUMBAG

Defends Maju with no reasoning. THIS IS DODGY AS ALL HELL.

Tries to ally himself with Hiro at the beginning of the game purely for the sake of safety, clearly has something to hide.

The case on xsksc is terrible.

Extremely defensive. Generally is only popping up to defend himself.

NISANI201 IS RED AND NEEDS TO DIE
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 19 2012 04:51 GMT
#876
I also am unsure what to think of deconduo.

This early post from deconduo caught my eye immediately and to me was a huge blueslip, highlighted here:

On June 18 2012 07:09 deconduo wrote:
I think Hiro pointed out that people who allied with Chezinu were probably scum/survivors but I disagree. Wanting to increase your survival chances is a town trait for people who feel they have a good blue role, especially docs/cops. As for the individual people:

This immediately made me think decon was a blue of some kind. Was this deliberate?

He has soft defended Maju a few times but.
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