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Blazinghand
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On June 08 2012 10:29 MrZentor wrote:
My implication is that it seems a lot more likely that one of the scum team, not necessarily you, tried to kill Furer. The person was roleblocked or Furerkip was jailed.
Ah yes, you're right clearly scum has a lot to worry about from Furer, and it makes sense to claim vigi as scum knowing there'll be only one flip with the daypost
how sensible, this is "a lot more likely" than me being a town vigi
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Blazinghand
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I mean honestly, MrZ, furer is such a huge asset to town, scum want him eliminated
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Blazinghand
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On June 08 2012 10:51 MrZentor wrote:
It isn't about the target.
It's about making you "confirmed" vigilante.
Right, but if there was only one kill night 1 I would not be a confirmed vigi at all... Like, ok maybe this is hard for you let me lay it out more simply:
Imagine that D2 began and there was 1 nk, and he was furer. Every criticism being levied at me currently would still be levied at me, since there was only 1 nk. I would NOT be a confirmed vigilante.
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Blazinghand
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On June 08 2012 10:50 Katina wrote:
Why wouldn't the Mafia shoot furer? Mafia has to kill townies to win. It appears that from furer's filter the only person he really accused of being scum was VE. If the Mafia would have killed furer then it would have been done easily without drawing suspicion to the Mafia. As opposed lynching someone would has made good analysis the first day and drawing a large amount of suspicion. Lurkers are easy targets for the Mafia to go after. Baby Steps to Victory.
Mafia wouldn't shoot furer because they don't want to kill another scum player LOLOLOL
Seriously though: are you kidding me? As it stands, even if Furer is somehow Town, He's like the most helpful townie ever to keep around in LYLO because he's been utterly unhelpful, scummy, and lurking. Scum wouldn't want to remove him from the equation.
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Blazinghand
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On June 08 2012 11:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Can scum shoot their own?
Now THIS is some good tin-foil hat stuff: I'm scum with Furer, then wanted to shoot him, have him flip scum, thereby giving me hella credit, since he's being inactive and generally scummy.
I don't think there's anything for me to say to this theory other than: let's lynch Furer and see if it's plausible first.
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Blazinghand
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I think in that case mafia would just hold their fire rather than try to shoot and roleblock themselves.
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Blazinghand
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Hm, having read Navi's thoughts on it, I think the simplest answer is probably the best: I got JKed by a town JK and shot by the mafia. It's funny though cause it means a blue perceived me as a threat to town even though I was being shot.
Although I'm down to lynch Furer today and will need some serious swaying not to lynch him, I don't want to just throw away 48 hours. Here are people who I'm currently hating on (besides Furer):
Hyaach
Shraft
Both of you have raised my eternal ire. Beware, for the consequences of my eternal ire are dire.
Seriously though are you guys playing or what
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Blazinghand
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On June 08 2012 19:08 Hyaach wrote:
I finds his day one post not deserving of a JK from town. Can anyone find any reason his a better RB target then others?
Someone must have seen my crumb-- that seems fairly obvious to me. Also, the fact that both you and I were RBed means that in all likelihood there is both a scum RB and a town JK in this game.
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Blazinghand
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On June 08 2012 19:17 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 19:08 Hyaach wrote:
I finds his day one post not deserving of a JK from town. Can anyone find any reason his a better RB target then others?
Someone must have seen my crumb-- that seems fairly obvious to me. Also, the fact that both you and I were RBed means that in all likelihood there is both a scum RB and a town JK in this game.
Oh, alternatively, I was RBed by a JK and you were RBed by an RB, and the JK RBed me because he thought I was gonna get shot OR cause he thought I was scum. The "two RBs" theories are back in play here.
So in any case, now that you're in the thread, we got any cases or just speculation? Cause I can speculate all day with you and it won't turn into a case without you making one. Many people have found your play lacking, and this isn't much of an improvement.
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Blazinghand
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On June 08 2012 19:20 Hyaach wrote:
But why would anyone want to JK furp?
His was the most useless out of lurkers and on the way to modkill.
?? You are aware of how a JK functions, right? A JK both saves AND roleblocks. I'm suggesting that *I* was JKed, thereby preventing my shot from firing.
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Blazinghand
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JK is also usable as an RB, which would have been a good reason.
But what you're leaving out is that all this I speculated before you claimed getting RBed last night. Any theory of Fur getting JKed (in an attempt, perhaps, to stop a nightkill or scum PR) goes out the window because I just don't see there being 3 roleblocking roles in this game.
Here's what seems to be the only possibility now:
I was JKed, and mafia shot me overnight.
You were RBed.
Assuming your claim of RB is true.
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Blazinghand
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On June 08 2012 19:25 Hyaach wrote:
and how do you explain mafia not killing anyone? One more RB in the mix? if so, why not claim and lynch the mafia?
Look, before you claimed RB, the simplest solution was that I got JKed and the mafia shot me. Now it seems likely that you got RBed.
I can't imagine why on earth scum would RB you. Town definitely doesn't have 2 JKs and a vigi, and even a JK, a vigi, and a town RB seem pretty unlikely.
Both of our claims being true seems pretty unlikely, actually. Unless someone can come up with a better explanation, I think you're faking your RB claim to undermine me.
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Blazinghand
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Like, one of two things happened here:
1) Scum RBed Hyaach
2) Either Hyaach or me is lying.
I see 1 as pretty unlikely. Hyaach doesn't look blue to me. He looks red.
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Blazinghand
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Alright guys I've got a super obvious solution to the BH/Hyaach situation, and it works whether I'm scum OR I'm town. Hear my out.
I'll start with what we know: I think it's pretty obvious one of us is scum. Last night, the shot from scum didn't go through. My shot didn't go through either, but for all you know, that's the same shot. Hyaach and I both claimed RBs, one of which was the JK or Town RBer's RB, and one of which was scum RB. The scum bullet got stopped because either A) the shooter was RBed, or because B) the target was JKed. Now, under condition *A*, either Hyaach or I must be scum. However, given the possibility of a JK, there's a chance that scum inexplicably RBed Hyaach and the JK JKed me, thereby accounting for all the failed NKs.
The only person (besides scum) who knows exactly what happened is the town RB/JK. If the town RBer is an RBer, then he knows exactly what happened: HIS N1 TARGET HAS TO BE SCUM.
Now, town RBer, if you are an RB and not a JK, you COULD claim right now and we could lynch whoever it was you RBed last night. However, if you're a JK, things are different. It's possible that whoever you targeted was actually shot by scum, and scum RBed the other guy.
I think the RBer should claim if, in the debate between me and Hyaach, things go the wrong way. You know who you are, RBer, and if the wrong guy is getting lynched, you can gaurantee a scumlynch instead of a mislynch. If I were in your position, AND if it looks like the wrong guy is gonna get lynched, I'd claim.
Of course, I fully anticipate shutting Hyaach down and getting him lynched, since I'm a better debater and he's pretty clearly scum. So don't worry about roleclaiming yet. Also, if you're a JK and not an RBer, you can't be sure. Maybe scum is shooting into lurkers and your JKing of Hyaach stopped them! But more likely, Hyaach, the guy you JKed, is scum. Your claim wouldn't be definitive like an RBer claim would be.
Don't worry though, hidden blue player. I got it covered. We lynch Hyaach today. He can't be town.
##unvote
##vote: Hyaach
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Blazinghand
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Just to be clear: If you're a JailKeeper, DO NOT CLAIM. If you a Town RoleBlocker, only claim if the wrong guy is gonna get lynched today.
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Blazinghand
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On June 08 2012 19:51 Shraft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 19:33 zelblade wrote:
Also assuming furekip doesnt come back should we lynch him anyway or try to get him modkilled and risk him ningavoting? A ninja vote should not be very dangerous. The only scenario where it can make a difference is if we have five votes on someone, and he comes in and drops the deciding vote.
Yeah and honestly if he shows up in hour 47 and drops a vote, that's basically him claiming scum. I think right now we have basically a scumclaim from Hyaach so there you go.
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Blazinghand
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I can't possibly imagine what logic motivated Hyaach to claim an RB today.
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Blazinghand
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On June 08 2012 19:59 zelblade wrote:
I also highly doubt scum would RB him and its actually more likely that hyaach got JK'd.
If Hyaach was JKed, then we have two possibilities: either scum shot him, or he is scum.
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Blazinghand
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On June 08 2012 20:01 Shraft wrote:
Forgive me if I'm dumb, but isn't it possible that town has a medic as well? You shoot furer, got roleblocked by town/scum RB, Hyaach got roleblocked for whatever reason, and medic saved the other (mafia/vig) target?
There aren't any medics in the setup, just JKs, from what I read in the OP.
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Blazinghand
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OH WAIT, I just thought of an alternative theory for what happened:
1) I was RBed by scum, or maybe a town RB/JK
2) Hyaach was RBed or JKed by a town RB/JK
3) Scum shot an SK who took the "extra night life" option
This is a way Hyaach and I could both be town, but it means there's an SK in the game and Scum shot him last night.
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