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Do you really have no thoughts on MrZ and Navi, which like everyone else seems to have thoughts on? | ||
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On June 06 2012 11:21 Pandain wrote: But that's the beautiful part. I fake claim every game I play. Mafia honestly don't know if I'm telling the truth or not. I may be fucking batshit, or I may be honest. If I'm telling the truth, and they roleblock me, then a.) We find out information about you(why would they protect you) b.) They don't roleblock a medic/detective. If I'm lying, they just roleblocked a regular dude and wasted a power. If that's the case, I'm dead tonight anyways. Read up on and examine my cases, and tell me what you think. | ||
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2) again, this only applies if one of them is already under pressure or being voted 3) "to help analyze around"? I've been confirmed town in enough games to let you know that being confirmed town doesn't make you magically right. It means you're not intentionally misleading the town, and that's it. 4) wat Look, I'm not saying confirmed towns or bad or a mason claim is bad. I'm saying that it's bad to do it right now. Here's what's gonna happen if masons claim now: tonight, mafia will have a CHOICE between either enhanced blue-sniping, or killing a confirmed town. Here's what happens if masons claim at the end of N1: mafia don't have a choice of what to do with their shot, and we still have the confirmed town players D2. So, it's pretty clear that masons claiming right now is really really bad. You're either trying to draw them out so mafia can shoot them (or aim for blues better) or you're just horribly, horribly misinformed. | ||
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yeah I know it's pretty clear isn't it. | ||
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On June 06 2012 11:49 Pandain wrote: 1. Blue roles will have more information in executing their actions. There will be 2 less chances for each blue role to waste a check/shot/roleblock on a townie. Times that by the amount of power roles we have and that is a significant deal. We won't be able to do that if they claim at the very end of N1. We don't have a vigi AND masons AND an additional blue role and you know it. On June 06 2012 11:49 Pandain wrote: 2. We have more information. This is good, not just becuase we won't lynch the masons, but for all the information that springs out of confirmed townies. Your right, BH, confirmed townies aren't 100% right. But the fact is that they aren't scum, and that lets us make sure town runs the scene, not scum. I'd rather have an idiot town help guide town than any scum. Given that the lynch seems to have consolidated onto me (or navi), I'd be very, very surprised if a mason somehow revealing themselves would change things today, unless Navi or me are masons, in which case my idea of "don't claim D1 unless you're gonna get lynched" applies quite well. On June 06 2012 11:49 Pandain wrote: Masons getting shot = more blue roles able to do stuff. Blues(if even that) getting shot = we still have confirmed townie. Right... but one of these two things is gonna happen ANYWAYS. all that claiming NOW does is let scum choose which one. Claiming now is terrible. On June 06 2012 11:49 Pandain wrote: Basically we'll have more information, and now. We already (are pretty sure) that VE is a miller, I'm a vig, if we have tow additional masons that = 4/12 people already accounted for! Then factor in individual analysis and guesswork! That's a HUGE deal in lynch one! 1) Whether or not VE is scummy is a function of his play, not his claim. 2) We don't know you're a vigi at the moment, as you yourself have said. 3) all of this works just as well with masons claiming N1 unless a mason is gonna get lynched, in which case they shoudl claim. MASONS: don't listen to pandain. Don't claim D1 unless you're gonna get lynched. | ||
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On June 06 2012 01:30 Pandain wrote: I think Mr. Zentor is very suspicious, and should be looked at instead. He's offered very weak arguments, suggesting he does not want to force his opinion onto the town. He's offered vague statements that do not really put himself out there("a bit rash", "would probably", "I think, but we should") which do not prove him being mafia but merely cause me to be watchful. I am also somewhat suspicious of Navillus, but it is more of a general feeling than specific evidence. "MrZ and Navi are suspicious. MrZ because of the way he posts" On June 06 2012 11:17 Pandain wrote: I honestly don't care about Zentor or navillus. They aren't posting enough to gauge an accurate read. I do care about you though. And even if you don't get lynched, I will shoot you. + Show Spoiler + Realize I accidently claimed blue, and my role isn't important enough to justify having medic protection I'm vigilante. "MrZ hasn't posted enough for me to care about" ???? contradiction? | ||
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On June 06 2012 11:55 Blazinghand wrote: !!!!! contradiction! EBWOP | ||
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On June 06 2012 12:10 Pandain wrote: I actually agree that this is getting off topic, and its just me and BH arguing semantics based on different perspectives of the principle I mentioned earlier. To address VE shortly, however, you can refer to my earlier posts to see where I slipped my role, its even been quoted and pointed out. You can try to lynch me, though. To commence, from this little barrage of posts I've analyzed more people. I think VE is more likely town. Navillus has attempted to(rightfully) steer discussion back onto owhere we should be discussing, which was definitely the town thing to do. Mafia would either want to take a stand on the mason issue, or simply not post. Navillus acting as such strikes me as town. I'm also very suspicious of Zellblade, as he's hardly posted at all. In fact, hilariously enough, he's just asked interogative questions. Which I find hilarious and will do one day. How Saying that we have different perspectives about the mason claim is like saying that bullets and massages have different perspectives about touching people. Your accidental claim is crap, your asking masons to claim is crap, and your discussions and non-discussions are crap. ##unvote MrZentor ##vote Pandain | ||
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On June 06 2012 11:58 Pandain wrote: Do you really think VE would claim miller, and risk being counterclaimed, if he wasn't actually the miller? Do you really think theres a significant chance(>90%) of that? Yes. I've played with VE before, so yes. He's not on my scumlist because he's playing aggressively and pro-town as I would expect him to-- however, his claim doesn't factor into that. ALL his claim tells me, and all it should tell ANYONE, is that a DT check on him isn't worthwhile, and you should keep an eye on him to make up for it. On June 06 2012 11:58 Pandain wrote: Same goes with me. If there was a real vigi and he wanted to claim, he'd do so overnight rather than risk the possibility of scum having a roleblocker. Given that several times you've mentioned that your claim might be fake, this would make a counter claim less likely, since a vigi might not even be 100% sure you're scum just from your claim (though your subsequent actions do out you as scum). On June 06 2012 11:58 Pandain wrote: In regards to additional blue roles, masons aren't really a blue role. I doubt there are masons in this setup, but that doesn't mean we won't have an additional blue role. Masons aren't a power role. They were never even meant to be used in the way I'm envisioning them to. If there's 2 masons and a vigi, there's like 0 chance there's additional town PRs. furthermore, the idea that masons claiming wouldn't occur to WBG is utterly preposterous. Of COURSE he'd think of that possibility when he designed the setup. But that's all I have to say on masons or the setup. Clearly, if we do have masons, they're smart and agree with me rather than you. On June 06 2012 12:19 Pandain wrote: I'm not going to get lynched because its retarded reasoning. I'll let other people defend myself. BH you doing an OMGUS on me doesn't help your case either. Honestly, when you first made your case against me I didn't think you were scum. The fact that you reacted to the mildest pressure with this "accidental" roleclaim, you insist on potential masons claiming during the day (to the point of like multiple pages with the discussion on it), and your flip-flopping on MrZ and Navi (and only coming back to talking about them after I pointed out the contradictions in your ignoring them) all eventually led me to believe you aren't just weird, you're scum. Like, if you're town, wouldn't you (instead of self-voting) just make a decent defense of yourself, or try to be otherwise helpful when people vote you? In theory that should be near the top of your list of priorities, rather than just bailing out. | ||
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On June 06 2012 14:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Now, I've reached my consecutive post limit for this game, so I'm going to crash. Everyone should consider lynching Pandain if for no other reason than because he was more interested in shitting up the thread with speculation about his illusory vig-shot than he was about finding the best lynch for the day. Now I kinda don't know what to say to you VE cause we're agreeing a lot this game, but this is actually something that I missed out on. I'd like to add a bit to this. The town mentality is that the game takes place during the day. Even if you're a vigi or a DT or a JK, your night actions are either limited to once per game (as a vigi) or are used to support your day actions (as a DT or JK). Voting and talking about lynches your main tools to get mafia. Without thinking about it, you're naturally thinking about the day more, and thinking about what happens during the day more, than a scum player would. As mafia, most of your agency revolves around the night-- that's when you're safe from the lynch, town's tool to catch you, and you can direct your KP. Mafia will naturally think more about the night, and in terms of night actions. The fact that Pandain wanted to draw attention AWAY from the lynch (especially at a time when most people were already voting for me) is weird and NOT something a town player would do. Granted, this is somewhat mitigated from the fact that he claimed vigi and has a kp, but it's ties in with Pandain's goal of shitting up the thread. Look at how he evades the topic of other lynches until it becomes a problem for him, and how he got into discussions about the way he worded his claim, what he plans on doing with his so-called vigi shot, and insisting on some terrible mason claim, shitting up the thread and preventing real discussion from happening. This is a good supporting evidence, VE. | ||
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On June 06 2012 13:05 Navillus wrote: BH I still don't see the actual advantage mafia gains, as MrZ pointed out the best they're getting out of this pretty risky play is someone who is tentatively confirmed as the "vig's" shot would be the only shot that night so obviously town would realize that it's possible it's just mafia, beyond that Panda hasn't even really been going for the "I'm confirmed listen to me" angle so I don't think that this makes sense as a mafia fakeclaim where they try to get one of their guys as some big confirmed townie. Look at it this way: If scum claims DT or JK or something, they have to constantly produce results. If scum claims vigi, all they have to do is call the N1 shot, and then they don't have to do anything for the rest of the game as far as confirming their claim goes. They won't be confirmed town, but it won't be an obvious falseclaim or a constant pressure like having to come back with DT or JK checks every night would be... Vigi is by far the easiest. On June 06 2012 12:19 Navillus wrote: Also whether he's town or scum one thing he brought up needs to be noticed. way too many people are getting away with lurking frankly with this many people getting to avoid posting anything of substance I wouldn't be surprised if 2 or 3 scum aren't even posting enough to get looked at. Zelblade, Hyaach, Furer, and maybe to a lesser degree Kat all need to post on something recent and give their opinions. Don't forget Artanis, who has been lurking as long as furerkip. I have to say, though, out of that group, Artanis was by far the most helpful out of them. So what's new, Artanis? Tell me your thoughts on Pandain. | ||
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On June 07 2012 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, I understand what you're saying, I do...but I'm trying to give BH the benefit of the doubt where all of that is concerned. I appreciate that you're trying to be helpful, but don't give me the benefit of the doubt. I mean, I personally like it when people agree with me, but giving people the benefit of the doubt is dangerous. Don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt-- don't ever impair your scumhunting. If you feel there's something wrong with someone's play, either make note of it and address your read accordingly or air it with the town- we'll be better off for it. | ||
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