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I vote we lynch the first player to use the term 'scumslip' inappropriately. | ||
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On June 07 2012 09:32 GMarshal wrote: guys, I'm the Time Traveling Avenging Dragon of Rebirth and Radfield scumslipped when he said he knew the setup! Well, in theory that could be a legitimate use of the word scumslip.... in theory... I got excited for a minute and thought you were playing GM. You weren't  | ||
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On June 07 2012 23:11 Hesmyrr wrote: I want to be good enough to be shot T_T You are good enough to be shot Hesmyrr. You just always replace out before that happens....  | ||
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No medic and no ability to confirm townies means that every player needs to actually play, and establish themselves. No spamming, no coasting, etc. Given that, lets lynch into the players who are most difficult to find and the players with the best scum play. In this case that's ace and.... uhmmm.... well, just Ace I suppose Seems like a good policy to me! | ||
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On June 10 2012 08:19 chaoser wrote: I'm a townie. Let's win this. I doubt that. What a scummy thing to say. | ||
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On June 10 2012 08:40 Ace wrote: I'm down for an RNG lynch On June 10 2012 08:44 chaoser wrote: Me too. Let's RNG Can you hit me with the actual reasoning behind an RNG lynch. I honestly don't understand the benefit. | ||
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On June 10 2012 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Radfield is a little jumpy! I'm not used to seeing Rad this active in a game. Is it because you're not afraid of dying N1 in this game sir, or something more sinister? <.< >.> <.< I scumslipped already... crap. | ||
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On June 10 2012 09:11 GreYMisT wrote: Its because RNG stands for Radfield No Go I can only guess that this means they are afraid of your power. That may be so, but even the RNG agrees with lynching Ace. So Ace, still up for an RNG? | ||
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On June 10 2012 09:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Isn't the idea behind RNG that we have nothing to talk about, so it provides a talking point, and that it makes mafia sweat, because they have no control over it, so if you decide to lynch a scum they'll freak out and the reaction will be enough to lynch them anyways? If that's truly the only reasoning behind a no-lynch then it's an endeavor that can be accomplished better via other means. Lynching someone based on meta reasoning(Ace is good as scum, Player X is detrimental to town) serves the same purpose(discussion), yet actually has some grounding, and actually has a tangible benefit to town. I don't think RNG really promotes discussion very well, as it leaves nothing to discuss. "Well, the RNG picked 3, lets all vote ace or not" *shrug*. Lynching Ace because he is a solid scum player adept at manipulation and able to control a game, while simultaneously being a semi-disruptive presence as a townie and a non-team player actually gives us something to discuss. It's superior in every way. Fact is I don't think anyone in this game takes an RNG vote remotely serious, so it fails in it's goal to generate a reaction from scum. Whereas seriously voting ace with reasoning forces scum to take a side, and actually puts pressure on Ace. On June 10 2012 15:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh shewt, Radfield thought of it. LOL. Ace just concurred. I think you're missing the context... | ||
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On June 10 2012 21:59 GreYMisT wrote: Oh where oh where has my palmar gone. Who needs Palmar? You're here Greymist, and that's good enough. What do you think about lynching Ace? | ||
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On June 11 2012 02:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This post is smart. Unlike RNG, which is dumb and useful for scum seeing as all they need to do is "RNG" someone who already has a couple votes. It leaves no accountability for who gets lynched because everyone will say the same thing "I just RNG'd it." That's not how you RNG. You RNG based on something verifiable, and then everyone follows the result. For instance, Detroit play Cincinnati tonight(mlb). So you assign everyone a number of hits. Then, however many hits there are in that game, that player gets lynched. Hits are a good RNG, because they vary in quite a range, and the average is probably around 17/18 hits per game. Because players near the average are more likely to get lynched, you run it like a snake: 8 etc... 9 Ace 10 MrWiggles 11 BrownBear 12 BrownBear 13 MrWiggles 14 Ace 15 chaoser 16 Meapak_Ziphh 17 gonzaw ---- avg 17.5 hits or so? 18 Hesmyrr 19 Palmar 20 Radfield! 21 VisceraEyes 22 GreYMisT 23 Greymist 24 VisceraEyes 25 Radfield 26 ... ect Tadaa! You have a fairly random lynch based on the amount of hits in a baseball game. But yes, the only people accountable for the lynch at that point are the Reds and Tigers. That is pretty much the opposite of a successful day 1 in my opinion. On June 11 2012 02:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This post is smart. Unlike RNG, which is dumb and useful for scum seeing as all they need to do is "RNG" someone who already has a couple votes. It leaves no accountability for who gets lynched because everyone will say the same thing "I just RNG'd it." That being said, you're not doing anything to move along discussion either. Great, RNG sucks, at least try to move on the discussion to more productive topics. On June 11 2012 00:05 chaoser wrote: Backing away from RNG, Ace? I didn't realize there were DIFFERENT ways to RNG. Pray tell what the other ways are aside from RNGing using a, well, random number generator. Obviously we are not lynching based off a screenshot you posted. I find it hard to believe that you think your RNG is remotely legitimate. | ||
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On June 11 2012 03:44 Palmar wrote: I'm ok with an RNG lynch. If needed I can write a simple bash script that randomizes our names every few seconds and displays them on a webpage or something, then we just need someone else to select a random time (maybe when I'm asleep or something?) and we'll screenshot the page at that time, lynching the first player. That's way more boring than rooting for hits in the Tigers game | ||
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On June 11 2012 04:17 Palmar wrote: And I didn't think you were dumb enough to not understand why and how. I'm dumb enough to not understand all sorts of things. But I'm smart enough to listen when people explain things to me. You used to be Day 1 scum hunter extraordinaire, yet now your pushing RNG which gives you only straight odds of hitting scum. It also reduces information gained due to forcing votes. It also gives you an equal chance of hitting a player who is an asset. Typically the worst a Day 1 mislynch does is clear out some of the chaff, but RNG doesn't even do that. I'm not even strongly against an RNG, and I'm interested to see it actually used in a game... but I really don't see how it generates any more benefit than a standard lynch. | ||
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On June 11 2012 06:16 gonzaw wrote: However, again that makes him null or slightly town for me today (like I said after D2-D3 I'd be best to reanalyze his posts and not keep that same "town read). Plus he always gets killed on N1 (whether scum or CF), and he always gets retarded-ly lynched on D1 (I know that feel bro, just check any UG game I've been town in ); so I don't want him lynched right now (based on what's been posted in the thread).Like I said, I'm waiting for his response on the Wiggles/Greymist deal Are you referring to me here gonzaw? Because I've only ever been lynched once as town out of 20 or so games. That one lynching was day 1, as by midgame I'm generally either dead or very likely town. I'm down with either a MZ or Greymist lynch at this point. MZ, what in particular made my early play unradfield-like? | ||
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Something seems a bit off with Greymists posts, but it could just be what happens when a player gets called out for posting fluff at the start of a game. There's little but fluff to talk about in the opening of a game. Also, I like that he has been on today despite giving himself an excuse to be offline. It's generally a good sign when players do more than they say they will. On June 11 2012 06:13 GreYMisT wrote: You accuse me of only posting fluff while I stated I would not be able to do much for all of today. Alright fair enough, but I ask you what is up with this: why bring this up now? there has not been a missing KP, nor has there even been a night phase. The only reasoning I can see behind this post is to remind the thread that you have thought critically (before the game started) and to get us off track of discussing a lynch. On June 11 2012 06:20 GreYMisT wrote: Rad said the exact same thing in the early game, and has also been talking mostly about RNG lynches. What are your thoughts btw? you seem to be hesitant to talk about it. These two posts in particular seem off. Decent target for now, but again, it's still early. | ||
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It was a semi-inside joke. Lately Palmar and Ace have been pushing RNG lynch Day1 in pretty much every mini they've played. I've never been convinced that it's actually a good idea, but it works well enough as a topic starter. | ||
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On June 11 2012 06:48 gonzaw wrote: Radfield, what do you think of Palmar's sudden switch from "Let's RNG, here I even went through all the trouble to set up a site that does all the shit and shit" to "Okay I changed my mind, now I find MZ suspicious and I want to lynch him because of this reason"; when the only thing in between was my case on Greymist/Wiggles? It's to be expected. I still don't think anyone actually intends to go through with an RNG lynch, but rather uses it as a way to open up Day 1. Also, what do you think of Palmar trying to divert attention off my Greymist case and on to MZ, and trying to discredit me as well (by saying that "last time I was scum I tunneled someone that was under the radar" and stuff) I noticed it too, but it's a bit simplistic to draw any conclusions based off that. Either way, I'm happy having attention on both of them for now. MZ was randomly slinging mud on me to start, when I'm player least worth focusing on Day 1. There is no medic this game, which means I'll either die or catch scum... or else I'm probably scum. It's fairly simple. He also popped in and poo-pooed the RNG lynch, which is exactly what I expect scum to do. Mafia want to buy town cred early, and shooting down the RNG(which is at least on the surface very anti-town) is an easy way to do it. He shot it down but made no attempt to move along the thread. Again, it's early, but I expect more. | ||
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This is why you need to play more often Hesmyrr. | ||
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I'll try to catch up at lunch, and will have plenty of time this evening. | ||
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On June 12 2012 05:20 gonzaw wrote: Radfield is still fucking missing, and he still hasn't posted any real contributions. When I asked him for his thoughts about Grey, Wiggles, Palmar, etc, he said "It's too early to talk about this"...but now that it is not in fact "too early to talk about this" he's not here. Fuck. I said I'd be back this evening... and here I am. It appears our lynch has been bumped up an hour which is kinda sucky. Several people have been asking me questions, but I'm just going to ignore them for now and filter instead. | ||
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On June 12 2012 06:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also BB's case is good, I have to go and will be out for the rest of the day and there's nothing quiet like dat omgus. ##Vote: Palmar It's actually not that good. But it IS a good effort. There is a decent case to be made on VE, but I want to finish filtering first. | ||
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On June 12 2012 05:21 Palmar wrote: So you're fine with killing me even if I'm town cause you don't like how I play? Other than that he looks decent. | ||
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On June 12 2012 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Hey Rad! Bro! Vote for MZ for town victory! I'm considering it, but his demeanor is very unscumlike. That being said I think he has the ability to put up excellent defenses as scum when his back is against the wall. He had me second guessing myself in PYP:Int, and I basically had a red check on him. He doesn't have anything expressly super-townie in his posts, but his overall in your face/antagonistic playstyle doesn't seem forced or fake. It seems like he doesn't really give a crap, which is a townie trait. THAT being said, some of his posts raise flags(his early posts+ the VE post), but not really enough for me to want to lynch him. I'm also realizing that it doesn't make particular sense to lynch you Day 1 either, as your town play tend to stand out, and you'll get significantly easier to read as the game goes on. It hinges on me finding another candidate though | ||
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Happy You're right though, he really only been 'in your face' with Palmar, but that doesn't make it look like a show. Can you lay out for me in a clear and concise format why you think MZ is the best lynch today? | ||
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Hesmyrr, you pushed VE, you're obviously around as you posted an hour ago, yet you are not contributing at all to the lynch. Do you still think VE is the best lynch? Is anyone else on your radar? Pitch in. | ||
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On June 12 2012 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah sure Rad. First of all, the only firm stance he's taken on anyone has been Palmar. However, he has taken weak stances on several people (myself, you, GreY, Wiggles, etc.) Add to that his weak ass reasoning for not wanting to lynch me...it stank of wanting to avoid giving an opinion one way or another, but still appear to be "taking a stance". When asked about it, he ignores it. Add to that his incendiary prodding of Palmar close to the lynch, and it all seems to point toward pushing an agenda to me. I don't see that as a particularly strong case. It's Day 1, weak stances are to be expected. I agree he had a strange reason for not wanting to vote you, but it was strange in a strange way, not a scummy way. Palmar invites incendiary prodding like few other players on the site. Getting in a pissing contest with Palmar is hardly indicative of scum. I'm not going to cry if we lynch him, but I don't think our odds are particularly high. I have to run for a minute, but will put together a quick case on VE when I get back. Unless of course someone can convince me of another lynch, but no one seems to be really pushing anyone. | ||
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On June 12 2012 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote: WHEW GUY, I almost lynched you for not doing this shit Rad. Be more careful bro. I assume you're talking about the 'asking questions' but it's not something I necessarily do. Go filter me on PYPoison and count the amount of questions I ask people in the first chunk of the game. | ||
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I don't have the ability to make a coherant case in this amount of time and I misread one of VE's posts that made it go from scummy to normal. VE doesn't even look that bad upon rereading. I'm happy to explain what I was seeing, but it doesn't make a difference right now. I prefer a MZ lynch over Palmar. | ||
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On June 12 2012 07:33 Hesmyrr wrote: I actually wanted to let the conversation play out longer and see if it further justifies my doubts, but since I already wrote about VisceraEyes - Radfield connection I'll try my best to explain why I feel bad about these two, which started from here. His first three paragraphs reveal he feels wish-washy about MZ and I found it suspect how he was being conservative with his vote even at that situation, not voting for his current biggest scum-read. The tone of post is such that it makes him open for voting both, like Radfield will post his case and will let himself be "persuaded" by VisceraEyes so I wanted to gauge strength of the argument. Then VisceraEyes started picking up bunch of freebie townie points by talking about it with him. I guess I just didn't see reason Radfield would refrain posting his analysis at this critical juncture. He did fix most of the problems I had with him at time of this posting so I'll see how his argument turns out and determine whether to stick with VE depending on situation. I do have to leave for moment but I will be back in order to change my vote if needed. I don't get it. You were here before that conversation even started, yet were making no attempt to push VE. Also, are you insinuating that me and VE are scum buddies together? | ||
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On June 12 2012 07:42 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't need to do any dance. What I DO need is for you to answer the point I raised. So like....why would you call it scummy when talking to Palmar yet call it "strange, NOT scummy" when talking to me? We're talking about the same event I assume (his post regarding me)...and while it's true that you followed up with "...but I can see a townie motivation", the fact of the matter is that you were careful to clarify that you thought it was NOT scummy with me, but you agreed with Palmar that it was "scummy". I don't know why I wrote it like that. It's obviously a contradiction like 7 minutes apart and pretty much wraps up my opinion of Meapak. I still lean that it was not necessarily a straight up scummy thing to do, but it obviously has scummy elements to it. I think the honest reason is that I wanted(and want) an alternative to a MZ lynch. I don't see it happening though. | ||
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On June 12 2012 07:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Who DO you want to lynch Rad? I mean, indecision is fine, but surely you have misgivings about someone right? I have misgivings about you, hesmyrr, chaoser, and Ace(by definition). I actually have very few solid reads right now which is strange for me. I'm way too short on time to come up with a solid argument for anyone though. Day 1 is not my forte, especially when I get unexpectedly cut down to 2 hours to make a decision. I'll be a bit more coherent once I can filter without rushing or looking for a candidate. | ||
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On June 12 2012 07:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I can switch off to Hes too...he's done nothing all game but sling shit at me and try and get me lynched without a case. I could get more behind this than a BB lynch. Though BB is probably better than MZ | ||
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Who would you have voted for yesterday. Who do you think is playing scummy. | ||
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On June 12 2012 16:54 Ace wrote: What did I miss? You missed iGrok's Good Clean Old-fashioned Mafia. What are your goals this game Ace? We have no roles, so any type confirmation is impossible. This is also a fairly high level game, which means our primary means of finding scum is going to be townies differentiating themselves from scum and playing a strong game, or townies laying down some solid analysis. You need to up your activity and pitch in, because right now you're giving us nothing to work with. | ||
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On June 11 2012 09:29 chaoser wrote: I actually wasn't even sure how RNGs really worked which is why I asked Radfield. As far as I can tell this never happened. Care to point it out to me? On June 11 2012 09:29 chaoser wrote: The fact that you show no suspicion to the usage of terms along with the rest of your posting makes me extremely suspicious of you. ##vote: greymist Can you elaborate on this? What kind of response did you expect to see from Greymist? Greymist, what did you expect to accomplish from voting Ace? That seems like a fairly lame-duck plan to generate content. | ||
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On June 12 2012 19:05 Ace wrote: I've got a major problem with Radfield's vote that "saved" Palmar. But now I've gotta go through the thread and check everyone's vote with their motives, and make sure they are consistent around the time they voted. Then I've gotta group everyone's votes into categories: "legit", "lolhehasdadumbs", "bullshit". THEN I've gotta check those votes against the one person I feel is surely Town and draw comparisons. But I'd rather not. Too boring. I'm voting for Radfield tomorrow, or shooting him tonight. There's the Ace we know and love. You can't shoot me though, I'm bulletproof. I like how when you are scum you find something someone has done and then just spin it as scummy like crazy. Look for an entire body of evidence.. nahh. I assume what your insinuating is that me and Palmar are scumbuddies, or that I wanted to save him for some sort of underhanded reasoning. I can assure you that if I was scum and Palmar town, I would push any lynch on him I possibly could. Palmar, like no other player on this site, correctly ID's me by Night 1 pretty much every game we have ever played. Certainly he busted me in LOTR and Arkham 2, and was on my case in Closed Casket. No way I would save him, especially when I had already given myself plenty of reason to not vote Meapak. | ||
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You getting lynched is a foregone conclusion. The question is how many cycles until that happens. I'd place the it at 2. I assume you'd take the over on that bet and leave me with the under. | ||
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I like that mafia teams keep killing off good scum players. Off to bed, I'll post in the morning. BB, you're reading too much into that post. I was just explaining to ace that if I was scummily saving Palmar, the only option was for me and palmar to be scumbuddies, something he refused to just come out and say. | ||
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On June 13 2012 16:35 VisceraEyes wrote: This whole thread is full of people that are good scum players. WTF is this shit? Radfield, this is bullshit. I appreciate that you're still going on and on with BrownBoy about this retarded post with Ace, but can you maybe find some scum? Your only read has been me, who you promptly backpedaled and said you didn't want to lynch. Palmar thinks you're double-confirmed, but I think Palmar likes having his ego caressed gingerly. Like a lover. I think you're motherfucking scum. What do you think about that, SIR? @Palmar I'm lynching Radfield. If you get in my way, you're fucking scum. A) The whole thread is not full of good scum players. Not by a long shot, and mainly not even close to Ace's caliber. When mafia shoot people I am suspicious, I get happy. It's now happened the last 3 games. Bugs/Bugs/Ace B) Please point out to me where I went on and on with BB. C) My only read has most certainly not been you, though I did change my mind on you at the deadline. Presumably if you're town that makes me smart.... not scum. This is entire post is you stretching facts for no apparent reason than to set up your next post. + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2012 17:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Radfield Here we go, ladies and gentlemen. May I present Exhibit A: The Lie. I've bolded bits that I: 1) loved to hear Radfield say, and 2) have been infuriated to find he was lying about. What gets me also is the italicized statement. This is a terrible way to scumhunt. This is a MINI game. If we just lynch into strong scum players (which, by the way, is a lot of people in this game) then the game is just gonna end before we kill any ACTUAL scum. Radfield knows better than this. Radfield can do better than this. I tried to consider that maybe he was joking. That Radfield didn't actually say this and mean it. However, now I present Exhibit B: The Agenda. This was Radfield's response to Ace's flip... ...so he's apparently not joking. What happened to all this analysis he was "so excited" to do? The only thing he's done was NOT help town find a decent lynch candidate D1, but he has refused to do anything but try and shovel shit at Ace. Here's why Palmar thinks that Radfield is "double-confirmed". 1) Because Radfield's "lynch of choice" on D1 was, not surprisingly, Palmar's lynch of choice. And 2) Because Radfield was arguing with Ace N1 and Ace flipped with the Daypost. However, Radfield didn't switch off to BrownBear in the end did he? And not only that, but Radfield has spent all of N1 arguing with BB. Over what? His interaction with Ace Furthermore, Ace flipped with the daypost. Not only does this free up Radfield to go after his second best scum-read (BrownBear OMG THAT'S PALMAR'S LYNCH OF CHOICE! ^^), but it keeps him from having to actually make a case against Ace and try in earnest to get him lynched. Which, after all, was his intent, because again, by his estimation we should be lynching high-level scum players. Also, Radfield is concerned about Palmar as town when he's scum. This I can attest to, as we were scum together in AA and one of our top priorities that game was to remove Palmar from the game. Sadly, he was bulletproof. And a jerk. And caught us both. But Radfield knows that others are aware of his tendency to get caught by Palmar early game. Radfield also knows that Palmar is someone that knows how to get people to listen to him. I challenge Radfield to point out any actual content he's contributed to the thread. I further challenge Radfield to explain how lynching known high-level scum players in a high-level, invite-only game is a winning strategy. Radfield is playing an exceptionally manipulative scum game. It's a wonder he's known for his poor scum play. Vote for Radfield. Or Hesmyrr. They're both scum. I'm willing to lynch either one. You make 4 points here, all of which are BS. In fact, your case is built on straight up falsehoods, and nonsense. 1) That I am somehow going to push a policy lynch on Ace based on his scum-play. This is untrue, and if you actually read the thread you would see it never happened. In my first post I brought that up. Can you guess what my goal is at the beginning of the game? It's to generate discussion. I threw down both the policy lynched, and the RNG in an effort to get the game moving. RNG picked up steam, and you'll notice I never really mention policy lynching Ace again, except in context to compare it to RNG. I CERTAINLY do not base my vote on it, which is what you seem to be implying. 2)That I, as scum, killed Ace.... so I could " go after my second best scum read"? That makes no sense. How would going after Ace being even remotely difficult. He literally had zero content, and i never indicated I would build a case on him, precisely because of that fact. Also, in what world do mafia kill off their apparent strong scum reads... it only means a harder time to make a convincing case. 3)Not to mention that apparently BB is my second best scum read, when I've said nothing to that effect. In fact I've defended BB. Not once did I say I found BB scummy. Nor did I say I wanted to lynch him. In fact, I specifically stated I would rather lynch Hesmyrr than BB. Granted I did state that BB was probably better than MZ, but I had a middling read on both of them, which should be apparent by the thread. Radfield Wrote: I have misgivings about you(VE), hesmyrr, chaoser, and Ace(by definition). On June 12 2012 07:57 Radfield wrote: I could get more behind this than a BB lynch. Though BB is probably better than MZ Also, Radfield is concerned about Palmar as town when he's scum. This I can attest to, as we were scum together in AA and one of our top priorities that game was to remove Palmar from the game. Sadly, he was bulletproof. And a jerk. And caught us both. But Radfield knows that others are aware of his tendency to get caught by Palmar early game. Radfield also knows that Palmar is someone that knows how to get people to listen to him. What is this paragraph even saying... and how does it remotely relate to me being scum? Palmar's not dead. But yes, I agree that Palmar has good reads on me. What the F are you even trying to say here... This might actually be the worst case you've ever made VE. Half of your points didn't happen the way you are depicting, and half your points are things that are not remotely indicative of alignment. At the risk of OMGUSing, you're now back on my radar. I do agree with the case on Hesmyrr, though I'd like to reread him again. I don't really find his case on VE to be suspicious, as I think those were somewhat valid points. I do however find his total lack of follow-up and apparent disinterest with the lynch to be telling. I also think his reasoning for not following up was BS. I only mentioned my suspicions of VE AFTER Hesmyrr was around. So that cannot be the reason he did not push VE during the day. I'm still a bit unsure though, as there are things I like about Hesmyrr's play as well. Definitely willing to vote for him if I can't find a better alternative. | ||
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On June 13 2012 19:11 Palmar wrote: Do you think I'm wrong about gonz rad? I haven't actually filtered Gonzaw yet. He seemed pretty townie to me yesterday so I ignored him. His filter is also rather daunting. I'll check him out tonight. On June 13 2012 19:13 Palmar wrote: Also Radfield. VisceraEyes just changed the game. In what way do you think he changed the game? I don't know. Other than changing my opinion of him and making me take a closer look at him. How do you think the game changed. | ||
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On June 13 2012 19:25 Palmar wrote: Can you elaborate on how this changed your opinion on him? You seemed to initially think he was kinda fishy, but then you admitted to have misread(?) something he said and explained that he looked ok. What's your current stance? The case is absurdly stretchy, and doesn't actually have a single point which indicates I'm scum. It's damning by virtue of being so lackluster. I'm leaning scum on VE right now, but I'm not really sure as I haven't reread him. I'll let you know once I put some time in. There was something about his posting that set me off Day 1, but I couldn't put it into a coherent case. Once I reread him he didn't look all that bad, and I didn't want to force a case. On June 12 2012 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote: BB also says that MZ is pushing his own wagon, I'm assuming based on the comments he made on the wagon (I like the MZ lynch too, Should I hammer myself?, etc), but Palmar is actually the one who got the ball actually rolling on MZ. He and others are using "no resistance" as a means to resist MZ's lynch, which is always concerning for me. This post I originally misread when I skimmed it, thinking it was an indictment of MZ when it's obviously talking about Brownbear. I thought he was giving his reasons for voting MZ inside the brackets. He's not, and that wouldn't really make sense, but it's what you get when you skimread in a hurry. Why do you think BB is scum. His posting looks pretty decent to me. | ||
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On June 13 2012 15:44 BrownBear wrote: Also, real quick, we have the same number of posts now, so ha And I see what you mean now. Still though, something about it weirded me out. If Ace were still alive, we could ask him to clarify, but he isn't, so... That doesn't make sense. Why would you need to clarity with Ace, when you expressly asking ME to clarify. Your entire statement has nothing to do with Ace, only to do with me supposedly dodging the question. Please explain. Also, after a blitz review BB's posting doesn't look decent... I'll figure things out tonight. | ||
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On June 13 2012 19:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Radfield all you've done is NOT look for scum. What you're doing is looking for reasons to justify voting for someone. You're not looking for scum to kill them (town motivation), you're looking for scummy people you can justify putting your vote on (scum motivation). This is actually true enough in a sense. Day 1 I had about 2 hours to make a decision, and didn't really see any strong cases. So yes, I was looking for a reason to vote someone. Yesterday I barely even looked at the thread. As I said, I will spend time tonight. Day 2 is my special day, let me dazzle you with my awe inspiring townieness and scumhunting skills. | ||
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From here on out I intend to prioritize mafia, and play to my abilities. However, I cannot do that if I get lynched today. What I'm asking for is a one day reprieve. I am going to stay up late, get up early, and put the time in that I need to be effective. This is my promise. I have asked for chances before in this game, so if the answer is no, that's fine, and I certainly won't blame anyone but myself for getting lynched. I'm also not trying to make you think I am town via this post, nor am I trying to draw sympathy. I may be scum, I may be serial killer, but I have certainly not been playing to the best of my abilities. I'm asking for that chance. If you think I am scum tomorrow, lynch the shit out of me. On June 15 2012 04:38 Palmar wrote: yeah i wont be able to get this together today. voting radfield for being blatantly and probably maliciously wrong about visceraeyes. For what it's worth, I don't actually think VE is scum anymore. Due both to filtering him, and based on your read. | ||
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On June 15 2012 05:32 gonzaw wrote: Stop promising and get to it. I'm workin on it. I don't think you appreciate how much time I put into a game to play well. At any rate, I'm reading your filter right now! | ||
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I think that despite those posts, his play has been overarchingly pro-town oriented. He was the prime player moving discussion Day 1, and was obviously pushing people for reads(perhaps even too much). He has also been putting in a huge amount of effort, which while not automatically making him town, does tilt the scales. I like his reasoning and change of heart on brownbear, and I like his reasoning on Hesmyrr(though I'm not sure if I totally agree with it yet). I also like that even though he was pushing Greymist, he backed off him at the appropriate time on Day 1. I'd be surprised if he flips scum. | ||
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1) His first three paragraphs reveal he feels wish-washy about MZ and I found it suspect how he was being conservative with his vote even at that situation, not voting for his current biggest scum-read. This is an accusation leveled at me Day 1, making the case that I'm holding back my vote so I can be 'swayed' into lynching somewhat. Yet immediately after I press him, Hesmyrr uses the same logic as his defense: I was still divided on whether to vote for VisceraEyes or MZ so wanted to see if there was going to be more materials/clues, like how you just behaved. Yet in the first instance he's using as reasoning for finding me suspicious. In the second instance he's using it as a defense. 2) His non-push of VE on Day 1, and complete ambivalence towards the lynch. Hesymrr is obviously around Day 1, yet does nothing to contribute to the lynch until I press him. Even once that happens, he makes no attempt to find the best lynch(despite apparently being unsure of whom to lynch). 3)Pushes Greymist as scum, and a reason for not voting MZ(because Greymist was voting MZ), yet never mentions Greymist again. He also hasn't mentioned VE again, and I have no idea if he still finds either of those players scummy. 4) Other than his accusation on me, Almost all of Hesymrr posts are to do with himself, and explaining things that have happened in the thread. He's not pushing other players for reads, he not pushing his scum reads, he's not really trying to get anyone lynched. It feels like he's just trying to tick the boxes. Made an accusation, Tick. Posted about this, Tick. Defended myself, Tick. ##Vote: Hesmyrr | ||
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On June 15 2012 07:21 gonzaw wrote: What have you concluded about Greymist and Wiggles so far Radfield? nothing yet, though I was leaning town on Greymist and null on wiggles. I haven't got to them yet. However, I'd be willing to lynch chaoser today as well, and not just due to his inactivity(though that is a strike, how ironic...). His reasoning on Gremist Day 1 was garbage, in particular this: + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2012 10:19 chaoser wrote: MZ* gonzaw, i think your original "case" on him that he wasn't posting analysis was silly. It's too early in the game to post analysis, the first 24 hours haven't even passed yet. I saw it as you just trying to put pressure on him. The thing that made me suspicious of him was his post about his suspicions of Wiggles while asking Palmar: when MZ's "fail post" is WAY WORSE than Wiggle's post: So why suspicion on wiggles and not MZ? First off, the comparison doesn't really make sense. Greymist is talking about how Wiggles was scummy because of his indirectness and wishy-washy statements regarding RNG. The post of MZ's that Chaoser posted is absurdly direct in it's condemnation of RNG. Second, Chaoser has completely missed MZ's ACTUAL fail-post. The true fail post was MZ's remarks in regards to VE, not anything to do with his stance on RNG. He then goes on to use Greymists response to the VT thing as further reasoning to vote him, which is incredibly poor. On June 12 2012 02:16 chaoser wrote: I'm ok with either a MZ lynch or a BB/wiggles lynch. This is an invite only game that was very exclusive from what I can tell from pre-game and so for people to be as inactive as BB or wiggles are is very disappointing. But even then, lynch wise it would be greymist>>>MZ>>>>>>>>>>BB/Wiggles This post also jumps out at me, as it's basically just Chaoser listing all the players who have been named scummy, yet he's not stating why or adding anything to the discussion. He also doesn't add Ace to his list, even though Ace had been pretty inactive as well. He is doing precisely the thing that he(incorrectly) called Greymist out on earlier: accusing some people but leaving others equally guilty in the clear. That being said there are a few things that Chaoser has done that I don't mind, and I'd rather lynch Hesmyrr. | ||
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Reading Wiggles, and wiggles I'll comment on your Chaoser case once I get to it. | ||
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I also don't really mind his RNG stuff at all, even though it's a bit strange. If anything, it's the strangeness that makes it seem townie, as it had potential to throw unnecessary suspicion on him, yet he did it anyways. Generally scum avoid stuff like that. | ||
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Everything Day 2 and onward I like, and I see very little that points to him being scum. I checked back to my notes from PYP:Insane, and my suspicions basically boiled down to him playing very neutral(he was town). As far as the Chaoser case, I think I've commented on all the important points already. I particularly like this point though: It doesn't matter that MZ flipped town, because he wouldn't have known it at the time unless he was scum. I'm saying that a townie would have changed their vote when they saw their first candidate wasn't getting lynched in order to get their second scum candidate lynched and to avoid the lynch of someone they think is playing well/town. He doesn't do that though. That way he doesn't take any of the heat for mislynching MZ. He avoids responsibility completely, while looking like he did something on Day 1. He said MZ was his second choice, but he never voted for him, so there's nothing to actually hold him to that read. | ||
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However, the point still stands that the comparison makes no sense, as the two posts in question(Wiggles and MZ) completely contrast each other in their directness. | ||
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At any rate, the crux of a case against Chaoser is not due to his inactivity. | ||
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I think Hesmyrr is the better bet though. Not to mention Chaoser is headed straight for a modkill. | ||
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On June 15 2012 09:26 iGrok wrote: Day Ends in roughly 23.5 hours uhhh, surely not... | ||
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On June 15 2012 09:40 GreYMisT wrote: Yea the deadline was Definatly 1:40 ago It says deadline is at 9EST. That's in 4 minutes. | ||
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On June 15 2012 10:03 VisceraEyes wrote: So...Hes flips town, chaoser requests replacement...I guess that means the thread should die for about 24 hours, huh? What could we possibly have to talk about. | ||
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His early game is pretty poor, particularly everything up to his Ace vote was empty. Other than that, his mannerisms seem town and genuine, and he has been justifying his actions fairly well. His questions are generally pretty good too. I need to take another look through I think. I'll look over him with a clear head in the morning. | ||
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You were stating that I was your strongest town read, and was displaying none of the characteristics that usually mean I'm scum. Yet after I make a single gut read on VE, in what was obviously a knee-jerk from me(I had made it clear I hadn't gone over his filter), you railroad me. Basically the same thing has happened before, only more egregiously, yet you did not react this way. I built a big case on prplhz, you told me that prplhz was probably town, and I reevaluated. No conclusions drawn about MY alignment either way. Yet here you're basing your read of me based on my read of VE, when the case VE put forward was particularly bad(containing blatant falsehoods and complete non-tells). I reacted poorly, yet you then abandoned all pretense of scum-hunting and plopped your vote on me.... a player you had JUST gone to great lengths to state his towniness. Additionally, I don't like this: On June 13 2012 18:27 Palmar wrote: btw, I noticed I actually forgot about Hesmyrr in my night post... that's not good for him. On June 14 2012 18:56 Palmar wrote: I'm not sure I like the hesmyrr lynch. The fact that I forgot about him in my nightpost means that he's not doing anything of value, or I'd remember, and he seems to kinda avoid confrontations, but he was also stupid in a pretty townie way early in the game. It's subtle, but I don't like the tone change between these two posts. In A) you're forgetting him is a bad sign for Hesmyrr. In B) the fact that you forgot him is being used as a point in his favor. I also don't like this: I still think gonzaw is scum, I don't think BB is scum anymore, mostly by virtue of almost everyone else looking worse than him. If I was playing resistance I'd be suggesting a team that doesn't include gonzaw/rad/wiggles/chaoser, picking from the other players instead. For safety I'd probably not include hesmyrr either. 1, that's a bad reason to not think BB is scum anymore. 2, that's a cop-out way of casting suspicion on people, and is basically you just stating that you think VE, Greymist and BB are town. I'm really not sure yet on Palmar, but whereas I was leaning quite strongly town on him before rereading, I'm leaning the other way now. I'd really like to see your case on Gonzaw Palmar. You've been touting him as scummy for a while, yet haven't actually brought up any points against him. | ||
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On June 15 2012 11:00 BrownBear wrote: Fuck... What kind of homework have you done this game Brownbear. Who's filters have you been reading? Have you reread the thread at all? I'm curious. | ||
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I'm not saying that makes an iron-clad case, but it's solid scum play. | ||
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On June 16 2012 00:08 VisceraEyes wrote: prplhz you've come in to a pretty shady situation. chaoser was posting extremely suspiciously, and I was ready to switch off Hes to chaoser yesterday. You're going to have to bring the pain tonight (or tomorrow if you're alive) because I do NOT agree with Radfield...I think that given what we know, your slot has the greatest chance of flipping scum. I agree with this. I was worried Chaoser wouldn't get replaced for a while, and then we would basically be lynching a lurker at lylo. This gives us plenty of time. VE, what do you think of Palmar? | ||
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Keep in mind that the bandwagon is slowly growing on me, I am apparently not around to defend myself. It's then that Palmar tosses his vote on me, a guy he was JUST defending and calling his strongest town read. That being said I'm not really sure that I see him as a good lynch right now. We'll see what the morning brings. | ||
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I honestly would have been shocked if I'd been shot last night, and I expected Gonzaw to take a bullet. Thinking about it though, VE was almost universally seen as town, so his death makes sense by virtue of that alone. What I would like to bring to everyone's attention is how this post happened after it became apparent that the VE lynch wasn't going to work. From my point of view a town player who thought VE was scum would have made a case (something rad actually never did at all). Instead what Rad did was sit back and watched if the VE lynched gained steam, and then covertly swapped off of it. The more I read into radfield, the more I see the delayed promises for contribution and the careful steps to see which lynch is safe. Greymist, that is not how things went down. I did not simply put out VE's name and then sit back to see if it picked up steam. I read his filter, saw some things I didn't like, and mentioned that I thought he should be looked at closer. I then went and filtered every other player in the game(except Gonzaw) in an effort to find a good lynch. Read my posts at the end of Day 1. My thought process is clear, and I was trying to find the best lynch. When I went back to build his case, it just wasn't happening. Things I thought were scummy simply no longer seemed scummy. And I even mentioned that he didn't look that bad once I reread him. If I was really trying to push a VE lynch, I wouldn't have just said "there is a case to be made on VE". That's not going to pick up any votes, and is hardly even a condemnation, it's just me stating I found some scummy things in VE's filter. The more I read into radfield, the more I see the delayed promises for contribution and the careful steps to see which lynch is safe. I admit I wasn't contributing for a time, but really we're talking about a chunk of time from end of D1-mid D2. Since then and before then I have been doing my best to contribute. Also, there were no careful steps to find a safe lynch. I didn't really like the MZ lynch, but couldn't see a better option and didn't want to lynch Palmar. Day 2 I was quite happy with a Hesmyrr lynch, as he was my top scum read. Anyways I'll weigh in on the lynch in the morning. Haven't read that case yet Gonzaw. | ||
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When Palmar is town, he PLAYS town. He might spam, argue and dismiss stuff, but there is always an overriding theme of pro-town, and moving town forward. That is most certainly not happening this game. It's interesting that Wiggles is first target on that list of three, when Palmar has barely mentioned wiggles all game. He actually defends him, then puts him low in his town/scum list, then softballs him with his resistance comment. He never mentions anything scummy he has done, never questions him or pushes for a read. Never really converses with or about Wiggles at all. I don't think anything wiggles said is irrelevant. He's usually pretty easy to figure out when he's scum so... dunnoh. I'm not sure about you as I haven't played with you enough to know the difference between your scum and town play, all I know is your scumplay is pretty good. Also, in case I die, this is the list of town from towniest to scummiest. Radfield VisceraEyes Greymist Ace chaoser mrwiggles gonzaw BrownBear If I was playing resistance I'd be suggesting a team that doesn't include gonzaw/rad/wiggles/chaoser, picking from the other players instead. ##Vote Palmar | ||
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You are also the poster boy for lynching people(successfully) on meta. Gonzaw, I think it's funny that you have done all the heavy lifting this game. | ||
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On June 17 2012 00:49 GreYMisT wrote: The point was, when you posted that it was obvious that VE wasnt going to get lynched. From a scum perspective that would be a really easy way to swap off him after realizing it wasnt going to happen. I am completely fine lynching prp if he gives us nothing today. The only contribution he gave upon replacing in was basically him saying don't expect much. I'm not quite sure what you mean. I never "swapped off" VE, as I never voted him. I stated that I saw some scummy stuff in his filter, but wanted to look for a different target. Lynching VE day 1 doesn't really make sense because he's normally pretty easy to deduce as town as the game goes on. Also, I feel had I been able to make a strong case(which I didn't find), then there was plenty of time to lynch VE. The real issue is that upon rereading VE's filter, he didn't really look that bad. What do you think of Palmar Greymist? | ||
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On June 17 2012 02:59 prplhz wrote: I'm up to date on the thread now but my head is spinning. Ask me anything. I kind of want to kill Radfield/Brownbear and subsequently gonzaw. What makes you suspicious of gonzaw? Or Me/BB for that matter. Do you think Palmar is mafia? | ||
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On June 17 2012 03:07 GreYMisT wrote: Understand when I reread you, I was looking for weird behavior surrounding VE and MZ. I found some, but i realize that it would have made far more sense for you to keep pushing VE into day 2, as opposed to acting the way you did. Why were you looking for weird behavior around VE and MZ? Do you find that scum act weird towards townies? Not sure I follow that line of reasoning. | ||
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There is also no reason to lynch prplhz now, when putting him on the block tomorrow gives us a TON more content to analyze, and a ton more time to make the right call on his alignment. | ||
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They've had a lot of interaction, and I didn't really find much of it contrived. This exchange in particular seemed legit(open the quotes for the full convo). On June 12 2012 05:40 BrownBear wrote: What part of this did you not understand? Also, you can argue I've been less active and less helpful than others in the game, but there are ways to say it without using the words "pretty fucking useless". That's just needless flaming, hurts my feelings, and is unwelcome. I do agree that if Palmar flips scum, it casts Wiggles in a worse light. But looking at Wiggles actions and arguments from a scum perspective doesn't seem to fit. If Wiggles and Palmar are scum, then Wiggles is playing completely wrong. Consider: Palmar has basically gone MIA, everyone thinks he is scum and he's almost surely going to get lynched.... What's the proper scum play? You bus obviously. You certainly don't try to play for the immediate win with an ally who isn't even around. You just bus, and then push the mislynch on whomever defended your teammate. Trying to defend Palmar right now just risks throwing the whole game away. That's my gut thought anyways, but I'm going to do some reading. | ||
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However, I can't shake that I think Palmar is a better lynch, and that I don't think Palmar and BB share the same alignment. I DO find it extremely odd that Palmar randomly slots in Wiggles as one of his top scumreads, but if Palmar knows he's getting lynched then it's all WIFOM anyways. Wiggles could be scum that he's trying to look good, or just a hope that the lynch will swing to Wiggles. The combo of Palmar's suspicion and Wiggles driving a prplhz lynch is strange though. | ||
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On June 18 2012 00:57 BrownBear wrote: I think Greymist is town because I haven't really been able to read through his filter, and don't have much of a read on him. I will do that. Also gonzaw, don't try to play when you're drunk. Bad things happen. I'll wait for you to come back when sober and clarify what you meant by all of that. That's hardly a reason to see someone as town.... In fact, it's not! Basically what you're saying in this post then: + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2012 11:59 BrownBear wrote: Alright, I'm back. My resoning behind the Palmar lynch is basically what gonzaw and others have posted. He's not playing the way he normally does when he's town, but he was definitely trying to act like he was Day 1. He's switched his opinion on everyone all the time, without ever providing reasons, and hasn't been called on it until now. He's basically skated, and I don't really understand why we didn't call him on it sooner. He's definitely my target for today, unless something crazy happens, so I'm gonna look forward. One thing I was considering was the possibility of SK choosing to shoot tonight (and I think someone else mentioned that possibility). Given that the game is winding down, I thought it might be a possibility we'll have to account for. In the end though, I really think SK will not shoot tonight, because it's in his interest to shoot at the last possible moment (preferably when it will end the game). If we mislynch and Palmar is town, then SK will be forced to shoot red to keep the game alive (I think) but given the unlikelihood of that possibility, we're going to have SK KP to worry about. So I think we lynch Palmar today, then worry about who's SK starting today and tomorrow. My "group of scum" would be: Palmar Radfield prphlz Wiggles Palmar, case is proven. The other three I'm much less sure about. I'm certain the SK is one of them, though. All 3 have been trying very hard to play pro-town, but little things about their play have just thrown me off and made me question them. Is that other than Gonzaw, and the player you haven't filtered, you think everyone is in the "group of scum". So in other words, you think Gonzaw is town, and everyone else is scummy. | ||
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I strongly disagree with BB being the last scum. I feel like the things your pointing out as links are the things I'm seeing as the opposite. | ||
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That leaves Wiggles and Chaoser/Prplhz as the last scum, and very possibly as SK too. Scum first though. I still find Palmar's play in relation to Wiggles very strange. | ||
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If he went down to the wire with his read and didn't vote Palmar, I would see what you mean. But his complete turn-around post looks like he decided Palmar was toast, and needed a reason to jump on board. I'll have to recheck everyone else, but he looks like the lynch at the moment. | ||
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I just looked over Wiggles' last cycle or so, and I think he look not-scum. His reasoning on the prplhz situation is sound, and he was strongly pushing prplhz as scum(In addition to Palmar), and he's been strongly pushing Chaoser all game. I think Palmar including Wiggles randomly is meant to throw us off and think Wiggles might be scum. It's double WIFOM, but pretty standard really. I don't think he's scum. | ||
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Gonzaw, I haven't got around to looking at BB yet. | ||
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On June 19 2012 04:49 prplhz wrote: You write a lot. You're getting lynched tomorrow, because you've given us no reason to keep you alive. The prplhz I know is pretty good at being town, and pretty good at giving his thoughts. What gives? | ||
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Prp, if you are town, you are going to get mislynched and lose the game. I need a solid effort from you in the next 24 hours. If you are not the last scum, who do you think is. Find him and push him. I'm going to be rereading everyone, there's no reason to slack off now folks. Wiggles, I want you to assume Prplhz is town, who is the last scum if that's the case? Greymist, you haven't done much of anything lately. Are you convinced prplhz is the last scum? | ||
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What do you think of when Chaoser defends Palmar on Day 1? Do you think that looks like scum defending his buddy? Pretty much anyone could be SK right now, it's difficult to tell. Certainly the last few days SK would have been playing hard to find scum, so the first several days are the key. Greymist has a lot of interaction with Palmar, and it all looks pretty natural. Brownbear has a TON of interaction with Palmar, as well as voting Palmar day 1 when Palmar was up for lynch. Greymist and Brownbear, do you think wiggles could be the last scum? Do me a favor and reread his filter, see if anything grabs you. | ||
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I'll post my thoughts at lunch when I get a chance. I don't like his post after Day 1 though(the people who did not vote MZ or Palmar post), nor do I like his attempt to switch the lynch to prp. I'll read a bit more though. | ||
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Day 1 is obviously a write-off, as he does nothing of consequence, and votes himself. Fairly quickly he gets back after the deadline, and I found his post very odd:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558¤tpage=22#433 He mentions the three players who DIDN'T vote MZ or Palmar, which was very strange. A townie was just lynched, so who cares about the singleton votes. It makes far more sense to focus on the MZ voters. However, if you know that Palmar is mafia, it all of a sudden makes more sense, because the people who didn't vote MZ/Palmar are people who were afraid to weigh in when a scum death was on the line. From a mafia perspective, it makes sense to have those three look scummy(because it looks like they both wanted to save Palmar, yet didn't want to link themselves in the voting lists) The entire case he builds on Chaoser+ Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558¤tpage=23#458 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558¤tpage=24#466 is stretched and overstated. Early plays like Chaosers RNG thing can only be taken so far in a case. However it's mostly the tone that gets me, as it seems like Wiggles is trying not to convince us that Chaoser is scum, but rather to convince us that Wiggles is Town. A lot of the paragraphs are spent relating stories and analogies. A refusal to post a read on Palmar: It wasn't worth commenting on because it wasn't completed. When Palmar does stuff, sometimes it's for different purposes than it just appears to be on the surface. When he makes that post on Gonzaw, I have no clue if he actually thinks Gonzaw is scum, or he just wants to pressure him for a reaction, or he wants to see if someone else reacts, or whatever. Like I said, it didn't give me any reason to vote gonzaw and goes against my own read. Besides that, it's palmar doing palmar stuff. I normally ignore that stuff until I think he's scum for it, or it becomes something actual i.e. people actually voting, an actual analysis, a follow-up post, etc. I also don't particularly like Wiggles play surrounding his Hesmyrr reasoning. I have no real salient point to make with it, but something seems off. You guys be the judge: If I change my read on chaoser, or need to vote to get him lynched, I'll switch onto Hesmyrr. I like the case on him, and what BB added. His Day 1 vote made me a little suspicious, but I wasn't ready to call him out completely on it, as well, I didn't like his case on VE very much. It had a couple points that were OK, but a big part of it seemed like it was just completely ignoring the content of VE's posts in favour of calling him scum for them. I want to see what he has to say in defense as well. I mentioned the stance on Day 1, and his case on VE as my own reasons. That he doesn't commit to what he said with a vote shows that he wanted to distance himself somewhat from the lynch, and the VE case doesn't follow logically from what VE posted. It just looks like he decided to make a case on VE and needed reasons to call him scummy; it's grasping. I also agree with what you and BB wrote about the wishy-washiness and wanting to just sort of blend in. I also like when it was pointed out that Hesmyrr just sort of pops up whenever he's being talked about. That's pretty much the definition of active lurking, and is also a strike against him. He just kind of hits all the reasons in these posts. It feels like he's throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. Wiggles obviously also tries hard to divert the lynch off of Palmar onto prplhz. I'm not going to go into it deeply, but it's obviously scummy by definition. The arguments are not really the prplhz is necessarily scummier. Wiggles puts forward that HE thinks prplhz is scummier, but he never really labors and tries to convince everyone else of that fact. He mainly tries to argue that from a logic standpoint lynching prplhz makes more sense, which is a strange argument. That's my blitz case on Wiggles. It's not exceptionally strong, as I haven't been able to really flesh out my case. I'm not necessarily making a judgement on Wiggles, as I want to first reread prplhz/chaoser. I'd like to hear Grey's and BB's thoughts though. Wiggles, if you want to respond to this, that's fine, though most of my case is built on tone and motivation. Additionally on Palmar's interaction with you, which I didn't touch on. | ||
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I'm checkin out prplhz now, and I'm going to decide which one to lynch. If you guys just want to sheep me, that's fine. | ||
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Prplhz's filter looks awful though, so that might be what I have to go on. gah | ||
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##vote: prplhz | ||
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If prplhz flips mafia, I'll worry about the SK. I'm not going to have the motivation until that happens though | ||
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On June 21 2012 09:27 GreYMisT wrote: Ok assume I am the town player here. SK, You and me both win if you shoot the "not GreYMisT" player left and I don't die. This is a win/win scenario for you. Either you shoot the mafia and he doesnt trust me and shoots you, we are both alive and win. If he shoots me and you shoot him, You are the last left and GG you win. What are you, Kurumi? | ||
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##Kill: Greymist VICTORY!!! | ||
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For what it's worth VE, I played fully town from Night 2 onward. | ||
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Second, I needed to kill a mafia before they hit me, because otherwise they could out my identity once 1 of them was getting lynched. Basically I had to kill a mafia before they shot me. So I shot Ace lol | ||
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I played this whole game thinking that scum knew who I was. That's why I jumped on VE when he made his bunk case on Day 2. Full Disclosure: I foolishly PMed Palmar during the game to laugh about him shooting me, to which he of course replied "We didn't shoot you, we shot Ace" Complete fuck-up by me to PM him, as I hadn't even considered it. I honestly thought he was trolling me though, and part of my reasoning for wanting to lynch prplhz was because he was pushing me as scum. Really good game everyone, and great hosting iGrok. | ||
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I still had a chance if Brownbear hadn't gotten modkilled. Scum shoots me. We lynch Wiggles, Mislynch on BB or Greymist. Once BB got modkilled I was guaranteed a draw. | ||
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On June 21 2012 22:33 GMarshal wrote: Guys, if rad is alive day 3, he has to be that days lynch, because there's no way he is town. I had a stretch of 3 town games in a row where I survived till the end of the game. Mind you I was Bulletproof, Veteran and Mayor in those games so.... I survived in Election Mafia too! Though again, I was immune on Night 1, and we had at least 1 medic the rest of the way. | ||
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On June 21 2012 21:50 Promethelax wrote: Wow, that was a weird game to watch unfold. Really good play by Rad after the first cycle though; I would have loved to see how this played out at 2-1-1 if BB hadn't been modkilled. I needed to take a hit or else we would have been at 1-1-1, in which I would have just claimed SK to force a draw. Thing is, Wiggles might have shot me in that situation, as I would have been pushing hard for his lynch. | ||
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On June 21 2012 23:00 marvellosity wrote: From obsQT marvellosity 06-14-2012 09:32 PM ET (US) Palmar/Greymist/Radfield in whatever order you like edit: unfortunately wiggles fooled me. But Radfield played with a survival agenda all game That's actually not really true. Once I'd fired my bullet I was essentially a Vanilla Townie. Keep in mind I thought I'd already been hit, so I wasn't bothering to avoid mafia at all. My 100% goal was to lynch both scum, and I was playing with a full townie mindset. I admit that Day 1 and 2 I was not very motivated, but after that I don't think my play was really distinguishable from my standard play. Who am I to judge though. | ||
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