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You were stating that I was your strongest town read, and was displaying none of the characteristics that usually mean I'm scum. Yet after I make a single gut read on VE, in what was obviously a knee-jerk from me(I had made it clear I hadn't gone over his filter), you railroad me. Basically the same thing has happened before, only more egregiously, yet you did not react this way. I built a big case on prplhz, you told me that prplhz was probably town, and I reevaluated. No conclusions drawn about MY alignment either way. Yet here you're basing your read of me based on my read of VE, when the case VE put forward was particularly bad(containing blatant falsehoods and complete non-tells). I reacted poorly, yet you then abandoned all pretense of scum-hunting and plopped your vote on me.... a player you had JUST gone to great lengths to state his towniness. Additionally, I don't like this: On June 13 2012 18:27 Palmar wrote: btw, I noticed I actually forgot about Hesmyrr in my night post... that's not good for him. On June 14 2012 18:56 Palmar wrote: I'm not sure I like the hesmyrr lynch. The fact that I forgot about him in my nightpost means that he's not doing anything of value, or I'd remember, and he seems to kinda avoid confrontations, but he was also stupid in a pretty townie way early in the game. It's subtle, but I don't like the tone change between these two posts. In A) you're forgetting him is a bad sign for Hesmyrr. In B) the fact that you forgot him is being used as a point in his favor. I also don't like this: I still think gonzaw is scum, I don't think BB is scum anymore, mostly by virtue of almost everyone else looking worse than him. If I was playing resistance I'd be suggesting a team that doesn't include gonzaw/rad/wiggles/chaoser, picking from the other players instead. For safety I'd probably not include hesmyrr either. 1, that's a bad reason to not think BB is scum anymore. 2, that's a cop-out way of casting suspicion on people, and is basically you just stating that you think VE, Greymist and BB are town. I'm really not sure yet on Palmar, but whereas I was leaning quite strongly town on him before rereading, I'm leaning the other way now. I'd really like to see your case on Gonzaw Palmar. You've been touting him as scummy for a while, yet haven't actually brought up any points against him. | ||
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On June 15 2012 11:00 BrownBear wrote: Fuck...  What kind of homework have you done this game Brownbear. Who's filters have you been reading? Have you reread the thread at all? I'm curious. | ||
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I'm not saying that makes an iron-clad case, but it's solid scum play. | ||
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On June 16 2012 00:08 VisceraEyes wrote: prplhz you've come in to a pretty shady situation. chaoser was posting extremely suspiciously, and I was ready to switch off Hes to chaoser yesterday. You're going to have to bring the pain tonight (or tomorrow if you're alive) because I do NOT agree with Radfield...I think that given what we know, your slot has the greatest chance of flipping scum. I agree with this. I was worried Chaoser wouldn't get replaced for a while, and then we would basically be lynching a lurker at lylo. This gives us plenty of time. VE, what do you think of Palmar? | ||
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Keep in mind that the bandwagon is slowly growing on me, I am apparently not around to defend myself. It's then that Palmar tosses his vote on me, a guy he was JUST defending and calling his strongest town read. That being said I'm not really sure that I see him as a good lynch right now. We'll see what the morning brings. | ||
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I honestly would have been shocked if I'd been shot last night, and I expected Gonzaw to take a bullet. Thinking about it though, VE was almost universally seen as town, so his death makes sense by virtue of that alone. What I would like to bring to everyone's attention is how this post happened after it became apparent that the VE lynch wasn't going to work. From my point of view a town player who thought VE was scum would have made a case (something rad actually never did at all). Instead what Rad did was sit back and watched if the VE lynched gained steam, and then covertly swapped off of it. The more I read into radfield, the more I see the delayed promises for contribution and the careful steps to see which lynch is safe. Greymist, that is not how things went down. I did not simply put out VE's name and then sit back to see if it picked up steam. I read his filter, saw some things I didn't like, and mentioned that I thought he should be looked at closer. I then went and filtered every other player in the game(except Gonzaw) in an effort to find a good lynch. Read my posts at the end of Day 1. My thought process is clear, and I was trying to find the best lynch. When I went back to build his case, it just wasn't happening. Things I thought were scummy simply no longer seemed scummy. And I even mentioned that he didn't look that bad once I reread him. If I was really trying to push a VE lynch, I wouldn't have just said "there is a case to be made on VE". That's not going to pick up any votes, and is hardly even a condemnation, it's just me stating I found some scummy things in VE's filter. The more I read into radfield, the more I see the delayed promises for contribution and the careful steps to see which lynch is safe. I admit I wasn't contributing for a time, but really we're talking about a chunk of time from end of D1-mid D2. Since then and before then I have been doing my best to contribute. Also, there were no careful steps to find a safe lynch. I didn't really like the MZ lynch, but couldn't see a better option and didn't want to lynch Palmar. Day 2 I was quite happy with a Hesmyrr lynch, as he was my top scum read. Anyways I'll weigh in on the lynch in the morning. Haven't read that case yet Gonzaw. | ||
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When Palmar is town, he PLAYS town. He might spam, argue and dismiss stuff, but there is always an overriding theme of pro-town, and moving town forward. That is most certainly not happening this game. It's interesting that Wiggles is first target on that list of three, when Palmar has barely mentioned wiggles all game. He actually defends him, then puts him low in his town/scum list, then softballs him with his resistance comment. He never mentions anything scummy he has done, never questions him or pushes for a read. Never really converses with or about Wiggles at all. I don't think anything wiggles said is irrelevant. He's usually pretty easy to figure out when he's scum so... dunnoh. I'm not sure about you as I haven't played with you enough to know the difference between your scum and town play, all I know is your scumplay is pretty good. Also, in case I die, this is the list of town from towniest to scummiest. Radfield VisceraEyes Greymist Ace chaoser mrwiggles gonzaw BrownBear If I was playing resistance I'd be suggesting a team that doesn't include gonzaw/rad/wiggles/chaoser, picking from the other players instead. ##Vote Palmar | ||
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You are also the poster boy for lynching people(successfully) on meta. Gonzaw, I think it's funny that you have done all the heavy lifting this game. | ||
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On June 17 2012 00:49 GreYMisT wrote: The point was, when you posted that it was obvious that VE wasnt going to get lynched. From a scum perspective that would be a really easy way to swap off him after realizing it wasnt going to happen. I am completely fine lynching prp if he gives us nothing today. The only contribution he gave upon replacing in was basically him saying don't expect much. I'm not quite sure what you mean. I never "swapped off" VE, as I never voted him. I stated that I saw some scummy stuff in his filter, but wanted to look for a different target. Lynching VE day 1 doesn't really make sense because he's normally pretty easy to deduce as town as the game goes on. Also, I feel had I been able to make a strong case(which I didn't find), then there was plenty of time to lynch VE. The real issue is that upon rereading VE's filter, he didn't really look that bad. What do you think of Palmar Greymist? | ||
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On June 17 2012 02:59 prplhz wrote: I'm up to date on the thread now but my head is spinning. Ask me anything. I kind of want to kill Radfield/Brownbear and subsequently gonzaw. What makes you suspicious of gonzaw? Or Me/BB for that matter. Do you think Palmar is mafia? | ||
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On June 17 2012 03:07 GreYMisT wrote: Understand when I reread you, I was looking for weird behavior surrounding VE and MZ. I found some, but i realize that it would have made far more sense for you to keep pushing VE into day 2, as opposed to acting the way you did. Why were you looking for weird behavior around VE and MZ? Do you find that scum act weird towards townies? Not sure I follow that line of reasoning. | ||
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There is also no reason to lynch prplhz now, when putting him on the block tomorrow gives us a TON more content to analyze, and a ton more time to make the right call on his alignment. | ||
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They've had a lot of interaction, and I didn't really find much of it contrived. This exchange in particular seemed legit(open the quotes for the full convo). On June 12 2012 05:40 BrownBear wrote: What part of this did you not understand? Also, you can argue I've been less active and less helpful than others in the game, but there are ways to say it without using the words "pretty fucking useless". That's just needless flaming, hurts my feelings, and is unwelcome. I do agree that if Palmar flips scum, it casts Wiggles in a worse light. But looking at Wiggles actions and arguments from a scum perspective doesn't seem to fit. If Wiggles and Palmar are scum, then Wiggles is playing completely wrong. Consider: Palmar has basically gone MIA, everyone thinks he is scum and he's almost surely going to get lynched.... What's the proper scum play? You bus obviously. You certainly don't try to play for the immediate win with an ally who isn't even around. You just bus, and then push the mislynch on whomever defended your teammate. Trying to defend Palmar right now just risks throwing the whole game away. That's my gut thought anyways, but I'm going to do some reading. | ||
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