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Radfield
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On June 13 2012 19:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Radfield all you've done is NOT look for scum. What you're doing is looking for reasons to justify voting for someone. You're not looking for scum to kill them (town motivation), you're looking for scummy people you can justify putting your vote on (scum motivation).
This is actually true enough in a sense. Day 1 I had about 2 hours to make a decision, and didn't really see any strong cases. So yes, I was looking for a reason to vote someone.
Yesterday I barely even looked at the thread.
As I said, I will spend time tonight. Day 2 is my special day, let me dazzle you with my awe inspiring townieness and scumhunting skills.
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Radfield
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blech I suck. coast coast coast, lurk lurk lurk, post post post. One day I will have time, but that day is not this day.
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My play this game has been extremely lackluster, and extremely poor. I make no excuses for this, other than that I have been prioritizing other things over mafia. I joined this game intending to play well, yet I have not done this by any standard.
From here on out I intend to prioritize mafia, and play to my abilities. However, I cannot do that if I get lynched today. What I'm asking for is a one day reprieve. I am going to stay up late, get up early, and put the time in that I need to be effective. This is my promise.
I have asked for chances before in this game, so if the answer is no, that's fine, and I certainly won't blame anyone but myself for getting lynched.
I'm also not trying to make you think I am town via this post, nor am I trying to draw sympathy. I may be scum, I may be serial killer, but I have certainly not been playing to the best of my abilities. I'm asking for that chance.
If you think I am scum tomorrow, lynch the shit out of me.
On June 15 2012 04:38 Palmar wrote:
yeah i wont be able to get this together today. voting radfield for being blatantly and probably maliciously wrong about visceraeyes.
For what it's worth, I don't actually think VE is scum anymore. Due both to filtering him, and based on your read.
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Radfield
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On June 15 2012 05:32 gonzaw wrote:
Stop promising and get to it.
I'm workin on it. I don't think you appreciate how much time I put into a game to play well.
At any rate, I'm reading your filter right now!
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Palmar, I don't think Gonzaw is scum. In fact I think he is very likely town. In particular, his play from around Day 2 onward seems strongly town. Early on there are some problem posts(hanging on to Greymist's 'analysis' comment, giving generic townie advice, randomly thinking ace was town, starting discussion about SK), but I think that's bound to happen in a player as active as Gonzaw has been.
I think that despite those posts, his play has been overarchingly pro-town oriented. He was the prime player moving discussion Day 1, and was obviously pushing people for reads(perhaps even too much). He has also been putting in a huge amount of effort, which while not automatically making him town, does tilt the scales. I like his reasoning and change of heart on brownbear, and I like his reasoning on Hesmyrr(though I'm not sure if I totally agree with it yet). I also like that even though he was pushing Greymist, he backed off him at the appropriate time on Day 1.
I'd be surprised if he flips scum.
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Radfield
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I'm willing to lynch Hesmyrr. I'm not hugely confident, but there are things that stick out:
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His first three paragraphs reveal he feels wish-washy about MZ and I found it suspect how he was being conservative with his vote even at that situation, not voting for his current biggest scum-read.
This is an accusation leveled at me Day 1, making the case that I'm holding back my vote so I can be 'swayed' into lynching somewhat.
Yet immediately after I press him, Hesmyrr uses the same logic as his defense:
I was still divided on whether to vote for VisceraEyes or MZ so wanted to see if there was going to be more materials/clues, like how you just behaved.
Yet in the first instance he's using as reasoning for finding me suspicious. In the second instance he's using it as a defense.
2) His non-push of VE on Day 1, and complete ambivalence towards the lynch. Hesymrr is obviously around Day 1, yet does nothing to contribute to the lynch until I press him. Even once that happens, he makes no attempt to find the best lynch(despite apparently being unsure of whom to lynch).
3)Pushes Greymist as scum, and a reason for not voting MZ(because Greymist was voting MZ), yet never mentions Greymist again. He also hasn't mentioned VE again, and I have no idea if he still finds either of those players scummy.
4) Other than his accusation on me, Almost all of Hesymrr posts are to do with himself, and explaining things that have happened in the thread. He's not pushing other players for reads, he not pushing his scum reads, he's not really trying to get anyone lynched. It feels like he's just trying to tick the boxes. Made an accusation, Tick. Posted about this, Tick. Defended myself, Tick.
##Vote: Hesmyrr
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Radfield
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On June 15 2012 07:21 gonzaw wrote:
What have you concluded about Greymist and Wiggles so far Radfield?
nothing yet, though I was leaning town on Greymist and null on wiggles. I haven't got to them yet.
However, I'd be willing to lynch chaoser today as well, and not just due to his inactivity(though that is a strike, how ironic...). His reasoning on Gremist Day 1 was garbage, in particular this:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 11 2012 10:19 chaoser wrote:MZ* gonzaw, i think your original "case" on him that he wasn't posting analysis was silly. It's too early in the game to post analysis, the first 24 hours haven't even passed yet. I saw it as you just trying to put pressure on him. The thing that made me suspicious of him was his post about his suspicions of Wiggles Show nested quote +I am suspicious of Wiggles. Its not much at the moment, but His major post (which was fairly recent) discusses really nothing that happened recently. He states he is against a RNG lynch, but then says cases where he would be OK with it. Its this kind of indirectness that I don't want to see. while asking Palmar: when MZ's "fail post" is WAY WORSE than Wiggle's post: Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 02:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2012 00:26 GreYMisT wrote:
I would rather not lynch a player based on how good they might be as scum with no evidence.
And yes chaoser, there are other ways. In a world where we would RNG the lynch, we would need to pick someone to do it, or have everyone RNG and then pick the person who showed up the most. Even though you provided a screen shot we don't know how many times that RNG was run, or your parameters This post is smart. Unlike RNG, which is dumb and useful for scum seeing as all they need to do is "RNG" someone who already has a couple votes. It leaves no accountability for who gets lynched because everyone will say the same thing "I just RNG'd it." So why suspicion on wiggles and not MZ?
First off, the comparison doesn't really make sense. Greymist is talking about how Wiggles was scummy because of his indirectness and wishy-washy statements regarding RNG. The post of MZ's that Chaoser posted is absurdly direct in it's condemnation of RNG.
Second, Chaoser has completely missed MZ's ACTUAL fail-post. The true fail post was MZ's remarks in regards to VE, not anything to do with his stance on RNG.
He then goes on to use Greymists response to the VT thing as further reasoning to vote him, which is incredibly poor.
On June 12 2012 02:16 chaoser wrote:
I'm ok with either a MZ lynch or a BB/wiggles lynch. This is an invite only game that was very exclusive from what I can tell from pre-game and so for people to be as inactive as BB or wiggles are is very disappointing.
But even then, lynch wise it would be greymist>>>MZ>>>>>>>>>>BB/Wiggles
This post also jumps out at me, as it's basically just Chaoser listing all the players who have been named scummy, yet he's not stating why or adding anything to the discussion. He also doesn't add Ace to his list, even though Ace had been pretty inactive as well. He is doing precisely the thing that he(incorrectly) called Greymist out on earlier: accusing some people but leaving others equally guilty in the clear.
That being said there are a few things that Chaoser has done that I don't mind, and I'd rather lynch Hesmyrr.
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Radfield
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Actually, in this setup SK should be firing with impunity. Until 1 scum is dead, SK is in permanent danger of taking a hit, and later getting outted when a scum dies. That means SK HAS to find and kill a scum before he takes a hit, or else his game is over.
Reading Wiggles, and wiggles I'll comment on your Chaoser case once I get to it.
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I also liked how he backed off Greymist.... but then he goes right back onto him. Yes, the time that Chaoser allotted Greymist passes(he gave him X amount of time to step up his game), but in that time Chaoser makes no attempt to move his focus off greymist, or to look for scum elsewhere. In fact, if you read his filter chronologically he never really skips a beat in his Greymist condemnation.
I also don't really mind his RNG stuff at all, even though it's a bit strange. If anything, it's the strangeness that makes it seem townie, as it had potential to throw unnecessary suspicion on him, yet he did it anyways. Generally scum avoid stuff like that.
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Radfield
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MZ's fail post was saying that he found VE scummy but didn't want to lynch him because of previous mislynches.
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Wiggles looks pretty decent. His early play, while neutral, is fine. His activity also picks up when he said it would, which is a point in his favor.
Everything Day 2 and onward I like, and I see very little that points to him being scum.
I checked back to my notes from PYP:Insane, and my suspicions basically boiled down to him playing very neutral(he was town).
As far as the Chaoser case, I think I've commented on all the important points already. I particularly like this point though:
It doesn't matter that MZ flipped town, because he wouldn't have known it at the time unless he was scum. I'm saying that a townie would have changed their vote when they saw their first candidate wasn't getting lynched in order to get their second scum candidate lynched and to avoid the lynch of someone they think is playing well/town. He doesn't do that though. That way he doesn't take any of the heat for mislynching MZ. He avoids responsibility completely, while looking like he did something on Day 1. He said MZ was his second choice, but he never voted for him, so there's nothing to actually hold him to that read.
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Radfield
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You're right Gonzaw. I fail on the fail post.
However, the point still stands that the comparison makes no sense, as the two posts in question(Wiggles and MZ) completely contrast each other in their directness.
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Radfield
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Upon further review, I don't think Chaoser's activity level can really be used as a strike against him. In PYP:Insane he was quite inactive as town, which came immediately on the heels of a town game where he ripped it up. IN PYP:Interesting he was scum, yet was fairly active both in the thread and in PMs on Day 0/Day 1(though he might have only been active in his own defense, I can't remember).
At any rate, the crux of a case against Chaoser is not due to his inactivity.
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Radfield
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To switch to Chaoser? Probably.
I think Hesmyrr is the better bet though. Not to mention Chaoser is headed straight for a modkill.
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Radfield
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On June 15 2012 09:26 iGrok wrote:
Day Ends in roughly 23.5 hours
uhhh, surely not...
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Radfield
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and what I mean by that is.... Day ends in 30 minutes.
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Radfield
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On June 15 2012 09:40 GreYMisT wrote:
Yea the deadline was Definatly 1:40 ago
It says deadline is at 9EST. That's in 4 minutes.
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Radfield
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Oh shit. He put it in EST, when it's daylight savings time? So it should be EDT?
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On June 15 2012 10:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
So...Hes flips town, chaoser requests replacement...I guess that means the thread should die for about 24 hours, huh?
What could we possibly have to talk about.
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Radfield
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I'm not really sure on Greymist right now.
His early game is pretty poor, particularly everything up to his Ace vote was empty. Other than that, his mannerisms seem town and genuine, and he has been justifying his actions fairly well. His questions are generally pretty good too.
I need to take another look through I think. I'll look over him with a clear head in the morning.
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