EPTOh and saying I think payl is scummy when you think he is scummy is well and I'm bussing him isn't a reason to think I'm scummy as well.
So I don't even get why people want to shoot me.
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Oh and saying I think payl is scummy when you think he is scummy is well and I'm bussing him isn't a reason to think I'm scummy as well. So I don't even get why people want to shoot me. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
On June 15 2012 23:16 Toadesstern wrote: Well talis flipped mafia. I'm still a normal VT, what Supersoft did was still retarded, Supersoft still has not answered a single question about "why" he did that. Not a single one and I asked him about 3 times. Marv asked him about 3 times as well. He just does what he does. He hit a mafia so I guess he's just a jerk doing whatever he wants without explaining a thing. Or is could be a superbus! =) | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On June 15 2012 23:16 Toadesstern wrote: Well talis flipped mafia. I'm still a normal VT, what Supersoft did was still retarded, Supersoft still has not answered a single question about "why" he did that. Not a single one and I asked him about 3 times. Marv asked him about 3 times as well. He just does what he does. He hit a mafia so I guess he's just a jerk doing whatever he wants without explaining a thing. Isn't this explaining why On June 15 2012 18:02 supersoft wrote: yeah i was a little short on time when I suddenly realized, that there is something wrong with payl and zentor as lynches. The first thing I did last night was filtering Zentor and I got a townread on him. After that I filtered payl and I thought he might be blue. like 40/60 (rather scum but still no good lynch + no information) Then I tried to stop the ongoing preparations to shoot one of them. Because the day would have been wasted. I refiltered everyone and catched kita and talismania. Toads reaction to this, whom I suspected before, supported my talismaniaread and abandoned my kitaread. Toad made the "mistake" to point me towards talismanis play in PYPoison. His following suggestion to shoot zentor instead of payl was the point when I realized that both, toad and talismani offered to shoot payl, but prefered to shoot zentor. What got me to the point that payl has to be scum, too. At this point of time it didn't really matter to me anymore so I picked my strongest scumread, talismani and shot him. The uncertain component in my plan really was RoL who could have been scum. Now he's like onfirmed town. Also exWBG is still someone who might be scum. Not saying I agree with how he went about it, or even all the logic but you can't deny the results and it as an answer to why he did it. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 15 2012 23:25 rastaban wrote: Isn't this explaining why Not saying I agree with how he went about it, or even all the logic but you can't deny the results and it as an answer to why he did it. Oh yeah haven't seen that. Only got home a couple of minutes ago and answered the fast to answer ones. Anyways what he says in there makes no sense and I don't have to point out why, do I ? Again this whole thing is based on "Toad is GF therefore Talis has to be mafia as well therefore Payl is their mafia-bus. Not to mention that he says in there the reason for thinking I am mafia is Toads reaction to this, whom I suspected before, supported my talismaniaread and abandoned my kitaread. when he's telling people I was defending him yesterday (I never was. I said he is scummy but pointed out that Supersofts post about talis 1.st post is not alignment indicating because talis did that post pregame, not knowing his alignment and said he's suspicious for other reasons). Yet everyone gets in here and quotes that one phrase were I said that tallis is not suspicious for that one post Supersoft posted and interpret it as me defending talis. Even Supersoft said earlier that the fact that I'm defending talis makes him mafia (although I never did that..) and that makes payl mafia as well, now it's the fact that I supported his talisread? How is that making sense at all? Anyways have to go, cya later. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
Any way, Soft is also confirmed as their is no way that was a bus. First it confirms ROL (He can't be SK as SK has been shooting, and ROL had no gun, he cant be scum as they wouldn't have stolen a gun from themselves) It also ruins Mafia's biggest asset, A goon who can shoot. Guys this is incredibly powerful, no one knew this could even happen! It gave mafia t2o great advantages, one if the GF was ever killed this guy wouldn't have been caught or it would have been very difficult b/c he could shoot to confirm himself. Second it gave the mafia 3 consecutive pays of killing making a LYLO situation occur far far ahead of time than town realized. The GF's shooting power is balanced by him having to wait a day to fire again so if his first shot is too bad he can be killed before doing it again, now with Tals having a shot GF can fire, Talis Fire then GF again. that is 3 day kills and 6 night kills for a total of 9 KP with absolutely 0 of it being from town. OUCH! That moved LYLO much closer! So no more talk about their alignments, sure Soft might have not gone about it the best way but there is no way he can be a suspect at this point. This also goes to show why Gonzaw thought Scum would hit Soft so early, maybe he can't argue his points the best but his ability to shoot red is undeniable. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
I think we should have Rastaban shoot Toad, but I would also be willing to shoot any one of them to prove I have a gun. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On June 16 2012 00:11 MrZentor wrote: Toad, Payl, and Rastaban are extremely suspicious. I think we should have Rastaban shoot Toad, but I would also be willing to shoot any one of them to prove I have a gun. I know it seems like I'm obsessed with Toad right now, but I see no mention from you in your filter of ANY suspicions of Toad. So explain. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
I don't think his arguments against Z or I should be taken as clearing us. From my point of view knowing I am town (hopefully I am believed) if it was a bus of a mafia he would certainly want the towny to do the shooting since otherwise they wouldn't be able to. I also think he was wanting to out an additional towneys who hadn't claimed yet (me) by causing the shot. Does this mean Zentor was the sacrafice, well since he wasn't pushing for it the other way around we can conclude if he is was the sacrifice he isn't a goon with a gun. I think Zentor should be the one to shoot tomorrow. We can discuss the target but I think he makes a great candidate for the actual shooting. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
If I were to tell you why Toad is mafia, I'd be copying a bunch of other people. Talis's comments about rastaban and me say nothing about our alignment, as it's just a bunch of WIFOM. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On June 16 2012 00:35 MrZentor wrote: A lot of people have talked about their suspicions of toad and their reasons. He seems like the best target right now. If I were to tell you why Toad is mafia, I'd be copying a bunch of other people. Talis's comments about rastaban and me say nothing about our alignment, as it's just a bunch of WIFOM. Tell me in your own words. Even if it means drawing on other people's ideas. Gogo. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
One thing I found that seems especially scummy is his response to RoL trying to shoot him. Look at it from a town perspective: RoL claimed to not have a gun. He tries to shoot you. If he lied about his gun and actually ends up shooting you, he's basically confirmed scum. If he actually doesn't have a gun like he claimed, nothing happens. It's a win win, but look at Toad's response. On June 13 2012 06:10 Toadesstern wrote: wat On June 13 2012 06:10 Toadesstern wrote: are you crazy, wtf is wrong with you On June 13 2012 06:11 Toadesstern wrote: ooh. holy crap don't scare me like that... This is the response I'd expect from scum. They're so afraid of getting killed, especially first day, that they overreact and completely disregard all past information. And recently, Toad claimed he couldn't read Talis, which is basically the easiest thing for scum to do. (and he tried to kill me)  | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On June 16 2012 01:17 MrZentor wrote: Well, the first 3 pages of Toad's filter is him talking about the setup and a bunch of stuff that isn't scum hunting. One thing I found that seems especially scummy is his response to RoL trying to shoot him. Look at it from a town perspective: RoL claimed to not have a gun. He tries to shoot you. If he lied about his gun and actually ends up shooting you, he's basically confirmed scum. If he actually doesn't have a gun like he claimed, nothing happens. It's a win win, but look at Toad's response. This is the response I'd expect from scum. They're so afraid of getting killed, especially first day, that they overreact and completely disregard all past information. And recently, Toad claimed he couldn't read Talis, which is basically the easiest thing for scum to do. (and he tried to kill me) + Show Spoiler + talismania, Gun Enforcement Agent (Scum) has been shot - Hide Spoiler [Role] - Welcome to Bang Bang Mafia 2! You are the Gun Enforcement Agent! As a government agent you are in the business of enforcing the law - your own! You are aligned with Scum and don't give a shit what the USA thinks of gun control. Your bosses won't allow you to carry a gun but you can steal a gun from any player in the game and use it any following day. Whether you are successful or not the player will be alerted that a theft occurred (or failed). You can do this ONCE per game. You win by outnumbering the Town at any point during the Day. Good luck! But if the mafia stole RoL's gun then they would not have been surprised or worried by him announcing that he didn't have a gun or proving it by typing a kill command in the thread. So any "overreaction" would have to be faked. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
adds toad to his really scummy list with no reasoning or prior thoughts that he was scummy gives some weak as shit sauce when pressed for explanation constantly talks about what scum do and don't think. it's a mindset thing. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On June 16 2012 01:17 MrZentor wrote: Well, the first 3 pages of Toad's filter is him talking about the setup and a bunch of stuff that isn't scum hunting. One thing I found that seems especially scummy is his response to RoL trying to shoot him. Look at it from a town perspective: RoL claimed to not have a gun. He tries to shoot you. If he lied about his gun and actually ends up shooting you, he's basically confirmed scum. If he actually doesn't have a gun like he claimed, nothing happens. It's a win win, but look at Toad's response. This is the response I'd expect from scum. They're so afraid of getting killed, especially first day, that they overreact and completely disregard all past information. And recently, Toad claimed he couldn't read Talis, which is basically the easiest thing for scum to do. (and he tried to kill me) I don't find that scummy at all. A towny would forget that he said didn't have a gun, you notice when we remind hi mthat he is showing he can't shoot we get the final response. Scum on the other hand knows he doesn't haven't a gun since they took it, so I would think scum would definitely remember that fact since they took the gun from him as part of their plan. Scum would know he wasn't lieing about the gun. Everyone talked about setup and plans to begin with, I don't see either being evidence of scumminess from Toad. See this plan here: What about shooting payle instead of gonzaw? If he's truely a DT I can live with him being alive and mafia can't because they don't want him to get more checks because the moment we see his flip we know wether or not we can trust him. If he's mafia and survives n1 we shoot him tomorrow? That really strikes me as a town move. It was a great plan and I think the one we should have done. I don't see the Mafia (knowing gonzaw really is the DT) trying to push us to save him and get more checks in before he dies. They knew soft was town at that point as well so they have a good idea that he is getting legit checks, so even a day 2 kill means we get more info from him. Maybe he was mafia trying to get town cred but I think that argument is very very unlikely. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On June 16 2012 01:40 marvellosity wrote: rastaban, mine was more succinct HAHA, between you and layabout I feel all my words were redundant. Scum trying to use lots of words to make it seem like they are participating.... hmmm you be the judge  While I feel it is likely Zentor could be scum, I don't see anyway at all he is the GF, do you agree with that? I think if he shoots it would be enough to clear him, and if he can't then we kill him. he has said he would be willing to shoot so I think we shoudl give him the chance to prove it. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On June 15 2012 08:18 talismania wrote: Can we organize a vote or something? The way this is going is silly. One person brings up a name, then two pages later it's someone else, then two pages later its someone else, then two pages later it's back to the first person. Everyone who's around votes for who they want shot and who they want to take the shot, then we act. My vote is still for rastaban to shoot zentor. On June 15 2012 08:43 talismania wrote: Not really but I'd rather shoot zentor. On June 15 2012 09:26 talismania wrote: fucking ridiculous game setup lol. In case I'm really dead, SK: you should be helping out town now, if you've done the math on your wincon correctly. I'm still certain zentor is scum. Stab him since you're probably going to let supersoft live. Town: GF will be trying to shoot D4. In fact probably D2 and D4 which may explain supersoft. Go to a voting system immediately. You can't just all bully each other. Mafia: you all did a great job making this thread a spammy shitfest. My top three mafia picks: zentor, rastaban of the semi-active active ones and two others I guess from the inactive pool. 3 times he pushes for Zentor. Now remember Tali had a great role as one of the mafia with a gun. So he really could have shot, and would have done so if he really was forced to. He was willing to shoot Zentor. Maybe it was a bus, but Mafia would never have bussed their GF. GF is the best role they have and he dies then only people who can't shoot are left. I don't see any way Talis would push Zenor if Zentor was the GF. | ||
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