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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
June 15 2012 08:57 GMT
#981
On June 15 2012 13:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 09:00 talismania wrote:
Ok I re-read. Gonzaw had the right idea - this is the weirdest contradiction in the whole thread:

On June 12 2012 13:38 rastaban wrote:
On June 12 2012 13:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
If we don't have a target for gonzaw to shoot by, say, the 20 hour mark into the day, I say we should shoot gonzaw. I volunteer to be that person.

If anyone shoots before that time I say we kill them tomorrow.


I support this!

Allow me to repost one of the most coherent post made in this whole thread:

On June 12 2012 07:56 kitaman27 wrote:
The biggest problem with setups where so many people have guns is the town's lack of organization. It eventually ends up in a trollfest, where townies shoot each other, while the scum team sits in the background without attracting much attention. If you are town, don't forget to submit your vote for a 48 hour day cycle.

If you shoot five minutes into the game, you will be shot day two.
If you shoot within the first 2412 (minimum, though I prefer 18) hours of a cycle, you will be shot the following cycle
If you shoot without the town's consensus, you will be shot

I don't care if you shoot a mafia player. If you break one of those three rules, you will be shot in return.

I support a miller claim on day one. If they fail to claim on day one, then they get shot if they claim miller at any point after d1. Millers shouldn't claim night one as it assists the mafia team with blue sniping.

It seems very unlikey that the mafia team has two godfather type roles. Based on the way the shot cooldown works, they would be able to day kill four consecutive days. Combined with the six night kills that come with their deaths and lynches, thats a 2:10 trade, assuming there isn't a SK or town night vig role. I like chaoser's plan of forcing certain players to shoot, but I wouldn't leave it up to them to decide their own target. By shooting early and often, the mafia godfather gets the most out of his role. We shouldn't allow a random player to shoot at will.


Everyone pushing for an early shot right now is incredibly scummy, it is in towns best interest to not shoot immediately until we can review and make an informed post. There are a lot of people who still need to contribute making only 1 liners or no video posts, they need to start posting CONTENT.



On June 12 2012 22:40 rastaban wrote:
The following People need to post, they are very inactive, and if they have said anything it is only a few one liners.
risk.nuke
Kenpachi
payl

gonzaw I don't see him for mafia, but I don't have a problem with making him shoot someone else if it will lessen the distracting discussion on him. So far the biggest arguments against him have been that he supported ROL and that he claimed He hadn't seen a Mafia fake a miller claim before. To me he doesn't seem scum at all, and most of the case is hinged on defending ROL, If ROL is really a miller then all the discussion seems moot.

ROL Controversy, We still have no other Millers claiming, and until we get some other contenders I am very inclined to believe ROL. There should have been 2 hits last night (mafia & SK), and only 1 went down. Unless someone else claims to have been protected I see no reason to disbelieve this. I lean towards an SK 1 shot power as if it is reuseable it would be way over powered, I think we keep an eye on him and see how things progress. If the Mafia tried to shoot him, and an SK tried to remove the gun, then I think we should hold off on killing him for a bit since there must be a reason so many people tried to hit him last night. Again if more Millers come forward then I agree we should re-evaluate the claim but for now I think his play seems town and we should hold off a final judgment for him.

Meapak_Ziphh, your filter looked really bad last night tons of filler and no posts contributing to discussion, but you seem to be posting more like your normal self today. Mind explaining what was going on?






I didn't even realize when I skimmed the thread the first time that it went in this order too. First he was for wbg shooting gonzaw, then he was "not really seeing him as mafia" (paraphrase) and saying that "he doesn't seem scum at all". I thought it had gone in the other direction, but this way is just plain strange.

More telling is the composition of the first post. He starts with the "I agree with this" and then it's like in his head he went "oh crap I can't just make a post that only says that" and added a bunch of meaningless filler with classic exhorting town to action stuff. The only actionable thing that post does is support the wbg plan, the rest is fluff.

So Rastaban is not mafia.

Medics and Mafia can play with that information as they will.


You can't really do that RoL. Rastaban had already been called out on that by myself and others (atleast VE aswell). It might have been a bus.
Other then that Talis only mention rastaban when he want him to shoot Zentor and in his final post calling zentor and Rastaban scum - again could be bus?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2012 09:02 GMT
#982
On June 15 2012 17:34 Dirkzor wrote:

Good aim Supersoft but I dislike your method. Had you not hit a red you would have thrown this town into chaos.


yeah i was a little short on time when I suddenly realized, that there is something wrong with payl and zentor as lynches.
The first thing I did last night was filtering Zentor and I got a townread on him.
After that I filtered payl and I thought he might be blue. like 40/60 (rather scum but still no good lynch + no information)
Then I tried to stop the ongoing preparations to shoot one of them. Because the day would have been wasted.
I refiltered everyone and catched kita and talismania.
Toads reaction to this, whom I suspected before, supported my talismaniaread and abandoned my kitaread.
Toad made the "mistake" to point me towards talismanis play in PYPoison.
His following suggestion to shoot zentor instead of payl was the point when I realized that both, toad and talismani offered to shoot payl, but prefered to shoot zentor. What got me to the point that payl has to be scum, too.
At this point of time it didn't really matter to me anymore so I picked my strongest scumread, talismani and shot him.
The uncertain component in my plan really was RoL who could have been scum. Now he's like onfirmed town.
Also exWBG is still someone who might be scum.
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
June 15 2012 09:28 GMT
#983
Whats your read on Kita now then?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2012 09:57 GMT
#984
dunno. shoot toad and payl first
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2012 10:00 GMT
#985
On June 15 2012 18:57 supersoft wrote:
dunno. shoot toad and payl first


however I am not in any tunnel. I just think toad is the best target right now. If you show me another potential GF I think about it.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 15 2012 10:31 GMT
#986
+ Show Spoiler +
AAHHHHH! Just deleted a post!!!!!!!
sorry about poor formatting but i am in a rush
i am up to date but i have yet to look in detail at much


If anyone gets to shoot toad it better be me, i have waited for far too long for this. (i currently don't think he is scum though)

No more "Hey you shoot this guy or i will shoot you!" posts. There needs to be some sort of public consensus about who gets shot and who shoots. If such a move results is a misfire then town is still left facing the same targets expect with once cycle less and another lynch candidate (the person that was selfish enough to shoot like that)

Mr. Zentor appear to be looking at the game form the Mafia perspectice:
+ Show Spoiler +
"as I doubt the mafia would make up something like that;"

"This seems like the genuine thing a mafia wouldn't say."

"This is an excellent plan, which I believe would give town a great chance of winning; I doubt a mafia would suggest it."

"That's exactly what scum would want to happen"

"*Assuming we're correct about the 1 godfather thing"

"The balls of steel was the sort of detail which sum doesn't have the time or energy to fabricate."

"and it seems improbable that either mafia or sk would have this power."

"RoL lurking is exactly what a mafia would do after successfully claiming miller"

"I wasn't aware that the host gave mafia sample role pms. (A good reason for why I'm not mafia. )"

Besides many of those statements are meaningless or invalid.


other things about Zentor:
+ Show Spoiler +
"Rastaban is scum, so why would you give him the chance of shooting me?"

His accusation is unsupported. His earlier posts(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15046668 & http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15059532)indicated that he thought suspicious players should carry out the shots. But he objects to a player he suspects is scum carrying out a shot.

"I haven't been lurking for days. -.-

If you want to find somebody who has been lurking for days, look at Kenpachi."

I don't like him trying to deflect attention from himself onto "arbitratry lurker"

"Apparently I always look scummy regardless of alignment. -.-"

This statement and everything it represents is worthy of several bullets.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 15 2012 10:33 GMT
#987
I will be back in a few hours
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2012 11:11 GMT
#988
Zentor is town. You point out bad play. none of this is a scumtell. How could allow Ace that you take WBGs spot.

On June 15 2012 19:33 layabout wrote:
I will be back in a few hours


not necessary if you keep up this play :-(

On June 15 2012 19:33 layabout wrote:
There needs to be some sort of public consensus about who gets shot and who shoots.


oh boy please... are you scum or what?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 15 2012 11:55 GMT
#989
super

you still need to tell me why you think toad is scum so much
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
June 15 2012 12:34 GMT
#990
On June 15 2012 20:11 supersoft wrote:
Zentor is town. You point out bad play. none of this is a scumtell. How could allow Ace that you take WBGs spot.

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 19:33 layabout wrote:
I will be back in a few hours


not necessary if you keep up this play :-(

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 19:33 layabout wrote:
There needs to be some sort of public consensus about who gets shot and who shoots.


oh boy please... are you scum or what?

Whats wrong with a consensus at this stage? It seems like a good idea?
On the internet if you disagree with or dislike something you're angry and taking it too seriously. == Join TLMafia !
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 15 2012 12:43 GMT
#991
I think the point is Zealos that it is filler. No-one's going to disagree but it won't stop people like supersoft shooting anyway (cuddles for you)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2012 13:09 GMT
#992
of course not. Because I want to shoot scum and the consensus wants to shoot townies like zentor.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2012 13:09 GMT
#993
On June 15 2012 20:55 marvellosity wrote:
super

you still need to tell me why you think toad is scum so much


Who is GF if he isn't
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
June 15 2012 13:21 GMT
#994
On June 15 2012 22:09 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 20:55 marvellosity wrote:
super

you still need to tell me why you think toad is scum so much


Who is GF if he isn't

It could be any random member of the scum team...
On the internet if you disagree with or dislike something you're angry and taking it too seriously. == Join TLMafia !
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 15 2012 13:21 GMT
#995
On June 15 2012 22:09 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 20:55 marvellosity wrote:
super

you still need to tell me why you think toad is scum so much


Who is GF if he isn't


that's a terrible reason. it's not like it's endgame already
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
June 15 2012 14:00 GMT
#996
Marv do you think Toad is scum?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 15 2012 14:01 GMT
#997
Now I'm going to have to look at his filter properly. Let's take a look-see
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 15 2012 14:02 GMT
#998
thats not my reason. i asked you a question :-(
+ hint my reasons are in his filter...
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 15 2012 14:09 GMT
#999
i'm not answering your fucking question until you answer mine. i keep asking and you keep not answering. get to it.

Dirkzor: I don't know. I find his posts reasonably understandable this game which normally indicates a town-tell to me for him. If he were scum he could have been manipulating me on RoL/gonzaw, but I can't really tell.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 15 2012 14:16 GMT
#1000
Well talis flipped mafia. I'm still a normal VT, what Supersoft did was still retarded, Supersoft still has not answered a single question about "why" he did that. Not a single one and I asked him about 3 times. Marv asked him about 3 times as well. He just does what he does. He hit a mafia so I guess he's just a jerk doing whatever he wants without explaining a thing.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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