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On May 25 2012 20:21 Tunkeg wrote: This is true. But I will write it anyways, if what I think (and actually now hope) will happend today happends. You hope a townie dies? Hahaha I wanna kill this guy right now | ||
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##unvote ##vote Tunkeg I don't tolerate people who actually want town to get lynched. | ||
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Okay, two things: If Zealos is telling the truth then hiro is obviously scum and zelblade is as well (Kenpachi rule ftw) Katina can still be scum because her vote on Zealos at this point is worthless and she's known for bussing teammates. Finally, screw whoever said I'm baiting VE, particularly if you're town. I'm going to go back and reread to see who it was cause that actually made me kinda mad lol. | ||
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##unvote ##vote Zealos | ||
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Then again, I don't believe most of the players when they claim DT, probably because in my first 3 or 4 games players like chaoser, Palmar, and Jackal all fakeclaimed blue roles. I haven't been able to take a claim at face value since then, particularly if the circumstances surrounding it don't make sense. Check out XLIV, Some Mafia Game, Resurrection Mafia for chaoser, Palmar, and Jackal in that order. My first/third/second games iirc. I don't really know what it is about people who actually roll DT though, they always end up acting dumber than normal. | ||
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On May 26 2012 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote: What a completely wishywashy response bugs...give a reason why you don't believe him, don't be scared. sure it's wishy washy, I don't know if he's a DT or not. Why he might not be a DT: he has no breadcrumb of his check. he merely tunneled, which any scum can do. Instead of trying to defend himself, refute the case on himself, or further try to convince people to lynch hiro he's just made further one liners that don't advance anything at all. There was a strong existing case on him that he mostly completely ignored. The check doesn't fit with the way he addressed hiro early into day 2. Why he might actually be a DT: he's capable of being dumb, like anyone else really. The precedent isn't unheard of and there have been worse claims. ______________________________________________________________________________________________ I think the only interesting thing about hiro is that no one particularly has a reason to consider him town. No one really wants to kill him because of Zealos, though. This makes me wonder but it doesn't truly matter since if one dies and flips town the other should flip red anyway (barring a miller or a lying town zealos) | ||
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I guess I should wait for the flip first. | ||
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The hardest thing to fake is a town response to something you know is not true, e.g. the towniness of an ally or the validity of an ally's claim. So no, your argument is trash. | ||
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On May 26 2012 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote: My argument is "trash" you say? You're not intentionally trying to aggravate me, nooooooooo. Katina wouldn't have thought "Gee willakers, I don't know how I'm going to fake a town response to Zealos' fake-claim...maybe I should just not mention it....that seems like a reasonable action given the psychological factors in play"...you're fucking high Bugs. That is the one post I've purposely used a demeaning word and it was "trash," and you spin it for your own agenda. Nice. If you're town and you're playing like this, no, I did not disrespect you as a player, I respected your abilities. However if you are indeed town this game then yes, I no longer respect it as your play both here and in Liar Game has been damn awful and you seriously need to reconsider how you approach scumhunting. Go back and reread the postgame of liar game if you're still perplexed. However, I am increasingly convinced that you are NOT town and you are scum because if Ver told you that needlessly poking people repeatedly is not a way to scumhunt then if you rolled town you would have actually listened to him. You're stretching every single argument you make to make me look bad. Every single one. Scum choose simple over complex. They're not going to simply mention something they don't have to mention if they can get away with it. Of course that's not what she would have thought if she was scum. If she was scum she wouldn't have wanted to talk about the claim because talking about it is hard. She wouldn't know what to say. What do scum do when they don't know what to say? They don't say anything. That's why I called Zealos scum; when marvellosity presented a case against him he ignored almost all of it because he didn't know how to respond to it. When scum are surprised or taken aback by something they don't respond to it like townies do; townies respond genuinely. Scum either respond in a manner that motivationally makes little sense from a town perspective or they ignore it. | ||
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On May 26 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: LOL How about we wait until tomorrow to decide who to lynch because we don't know who scum are going to kill? Oh that's right, because you do. Nevermind, muse away Bugs. you think scum are going to kill acid then? | ||
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Why undermine my efforts when I've pushed to kill a scum? Marvellosity and I did most of the work today in scraping together votes to try and kill Zealos. Now that I point out that in light of Zealos flipping scum Acid looks very bad, you undermine my thoughts. Why don't you actually refute them with evidence? Go look at Acid's posts. When Zealos claims DT, he instantly uses a weak excuse to believe the claim and moves his vote off. When he's asked to take a stance between zelblade and zealos, he uses a weak reason to choose zelblade despite considering zealos rather scummy (when zelblade wasn't even mentioned) before that. He calls marvellosity's case weak for no apparent reason and never actually backs up his assertion. Do you have explanations for any of these things other than Acid being scum? It's Occam's Razor at its finest here. In order to explain Acid not being scum in light of his actions then you'd need evidence, right? Except for you, since I call Acid scum your easiest way of undermining that effort is to call me scum. Great. | ||
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On May 26 2012 07:26 marvellosity wrote: Nova/Matt - have a think about this. What do you think Zealos hoped to achieve by claiming? Let's say for now, Scenario A: Hiro is townie. Two things can come of his claim: 1) people believe him for the moment and lynch Hiro, who flips town, and Zealos gets auto-lynched the next day 2) people don't believe him and he gets lynched immediately. So it's either a 1 for 1 (never normally good for mafia) or it's a straight up death. I haven't done it yet but the one thing I really really need to do is go back and see just how many votes Zealos had at the time he 'breadcrumbed' his check. So, at best in this scenario, Zealos is making a 50% play for a 1 for 1. Or there is scenario B Hiro is scum. Two things can come of the claim 1) people don't believe him and Zealos gets lynched, Hiro gets town credit, especially as he's been attacking Zealos 2) people believe him, Hiro gets lynched as scum and Zealos gets a butt-tonne of town credit for 'catching' a scum Further thoughts: why did Zealos choose Hiro? Seriously, think about this. The easiest way for people to believe your claim is if people believe your target is scummy. Zealos could have chosen, say, zelblade who he even made a case on. He could have chosen Nova_Terra (bolding because choosing him absolutely seems the logical play) who was under HEAVY pressure. Nova would absolutely have been the best guy to fake a claim on. He could even have chosen Katina the uberlurker. But he chose Hiro, who had, what, no suspicion on him? Did anyone suspect Hiro before Zealos' fabricated case on him? All this leads me to think Scenario B is the most likely. We need to consider Hiro on his own terms because arguments about whether he's scum or not in light of Zealos flipping scum are kind of wifomy. Like, if you remember LI with the Toad/VE thing, in a situation like this when a scum flips after having pushed someone else pretty heavily, you have almost no way of knowing what the other guy is except based on his own behavior. In LI that was apparent through Toad's own behavior like his own bad claim and his own lack of scumhunting. Hiro hasn't particularly scumhunted but he'll be forced to now that Zealos is dead and the main pressure is gone. So, we take this upcoming day to watch him carefully. Is he a good lynch for tomorrow? No, as we need a bit of time to determine his alignment. I would say though, that tomorrow is a great time to lynch Acid or Katina. | ||
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On May 26 2012 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Do I? I don't know, I think scum are going to kill who scum kill...but you talking about his lynch 17 seconds after the night post pretty much ensures they don't, now doesn't it? YOU were the one talking about not talking about reads, not me Bugs...I'm trying to hold you accountable for what you've said THIS game bugs, HERE AND NOW. YOU are the one who has excused your bullshit with "I'm not going to talk about my reads when it can affect what scum are going to do"...not me. And here it is, Night Phase, and you're discussing your reads when it can affect what scum are going to do. Now, I don't know what else you want me to do - this isn't me "twisting" anything to "make you look bad", these are just facts. anyone with half a brain would know scum would never shoot acid. I am discussing these things now because I need to convince vigis to shoot these people. There are no scum medics so there's no harm in that. There was no way either of katina or acid were going to get shot by scum, either. | ||
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