EPTOn May 25 2012 03:52 Mattchew wrote:
He lurks, lies, empty promises, and has contradictions WBG
He lurks, lies, empty promises, and has contradictions WBG
I'll give you the first one and the third one, the others I don't see.
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I'll give you the first one and the third one, the others I don't see. | ||
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Day's almost half over and if people aren't willing to consolidate on zealos then we consolidate on zelblade. He needs to post anyway. Vote with me, marv. ##unvote Zealos ##vote Zelblade. | ||
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We have no idea at this point but we need to work together to kill scum. There are merits for both lynches. | ||
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you guys realize that it's 9v4, right? It will require at least 4 of us to be correct on a single lynch to ensure that scum die. If we cannot agree on zealos or zelblade then it might even be better to kill someone like tunkeg. Neither zealos nor zelblade seem particularly interested in defending themselves. No one else wants to defend them either. This is not an easy situation to be in, but there's not much we can do outside of just waiting a few hours. Continuing the way we're going is just going to cause us to lose faster. | ||
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However if we can't get more than 3 votes on him and arguing about the case further is just causing problems in the thread we need to explore other avenues. Butting heads is just causing the thread to go up in flames. There are four scum and they're more than a third of the playerbase. We don't need to solely focus on one person. | ||
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 if zelblade is to post there needs to be a threat for his death. If he is indeed a townie who is inactive I hope he gets modkilled and the second highest vote getter gets lynched but we can't run that risk either. Losing a townie to a lynch or modkill right now puts us in a really shitty position if the mafia night kill goes through. I'm not convinced zelblade is scum because I didn't find that his tone fit him being scum. When he has been scum in previous games he's seemed more unsure and on the fence in his posts than in this game. He has some of those same attributes but I don't think the extent is the same. The glaring problem though is that he has almost no posts at all and he has been inactive for like 36 hours. Zealos has posts and yet is still scummy; we have more information to work with there. Votes don't stick to him and no one defends him, but what's leaving me unsure is the way he himself admitted to voting someone who he thought was more likely to flip town than scum. It's just an odd thing for a scum to do, as opposed to just saying he thought mouldy was scum. | ||
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On May 25 2012 04:56 Acid~ wrote: How to explain this... The case against Zealos is made up of bits and pieces. A quote here, a quote there, someone pointed out inconsistencies and so on, but there is no big thing. If you take every single point in a vacuum, none of them scream "SCUM!" This is true in almost every single case where you find scum. Unless scum are bad they don't leave massive trails that just lead back to them. Zealos is not a bad scum player in the least and if it were that easy to find scum we would've killed one yesterday. And, looking at the big picture, it's hard to see the scum agenda that should normally be revealed in a situation like this. No one has been able to answer a very simple question that I shouldn't even have to ask. "If Zealos is scum, what is he trying to achieve by playing this way? How is this playstyle going to lead the mafia to a victory?" You're simply asserting here that it's hard to see the scum agenda. Scum don't like making cases because they already have information about who is town and who is not. Town will at the very least try to scumhunt. Zealos made no real attempt at that on day 1. He admitted himself he thought 13 players were town and one town but less so. That's just a massive cop out from calling anyone scum, a huge shirking of responsibility. It's a sign he doesn't know who to call out for fear of being caught. Finally, what playstyle? It's not a simple question because the underlying assumptions aren't even properly stated. How can you define a player's playstyle so simply? We don't even know what you're asking. Now, if you looks at zelblade's posting, sure there's only one thing wrong. But it's a big thing. It's a five by itself. And if we were to ask the same questions of zelblade, answers are easily found. As a scum he has everything to gain by playing this way, especially if he has a special power to use at night. Going inactive and not scumhunting are about as antitown as you can get. What I'm curious about is why you seem to assert that zelblade's inactivity is so much more incriminating of him than zealos. You haven't really justified anything you've said, just asserted it. | ||
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Froggy any particular reason you've been absent all this time? Why did you not vote for nova or mouldy yesterday? Today I see you voting nova. At what point did you believe him to be scum? | ||
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On May 25 2012 05:58 Acid~ wrote: You're right, I wasn't actually trying to convince anyone here, just explaining my train of thought. Now keep in mind this is my first *TL* mafia and I don't know any of you. I don't know anyone's meta so my analysis is based entirely on what goes on in this thread and general knowledge about mafia games. Not knowing Zealos, to me he could be a confused or mediocre town player just as much as he could be scum. Zelblade, however, I feel he should be carrying a sign that says "please oh please god don't look at me I just want to live through this day so I can use my power at night". what exactly has zelblade done (other than lurking) that has said that? Just out of curiosity | ||
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##unvote zelblade ##vote zealos I dunno if I did that yet, but just in case. Reading now. $10 VE has mentioned me in half his posts, probably voted me at least once if not twice. | ||
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On May 25 2012 07:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs what do you make of Matt's sudden lapse into normalcy? necessary On May 25 2012 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, yeah...I don't know that it's scumminess that I'm seeing. Like, his logic is TOO bad to be like...contrived, or planned. I'm not sure what to do this lynch, so what I'm going to do is vote for the person I'm most convinced is scum. That person is wherebugsgo. ##Unvote: Zealos ##Vote: wherebugsgo *shrug* woot bow down, where's my $10?  On May 25 2012 08:27 marvellosity wrote: You have a point, we are kinda just talking to each other at this stage. Need to see how people post tomorrow. Hopefully zelblade shows up. I'd like to hear from wbg on his other reads. Acid seems weird but I can't tell if it's because he's dumb or because he's scum. For now there are certain things that I see that tend toward me thinking he's not actually scum. I give him a pass for now. Tunkeg is most certainly being dumb, and perhaps I am overestimating him, but based on his town play recently I don't think he's this dumb. Probably scum. Basically I think we should kill four out of five of: Zealos Tunkeg Froggy Katina Zelblade Any two of them flip town and we kill VE. | ||
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Like, if zelblade gets modkilled it would help us immensely. We don't waste a lynch, we lose a townie, yes, but we don't waste further discussion or vote power or whatever. We're going to have to come back to the discussion if zelblade is not modkilled or vigied or something. I'm not counting on us having a vigi because to do so would be naive. I'm relatively sure, like 75%+ sure that zealos, tunkeg, katina are scum. This is the most useless katina I've seen since I played with her in AC as scum. I don't even feel like she's bussing her teammates, which would be nice. If she is, then...well...lol. Zealos has been the topic of conversation for like the last 6 hours and he's had almost nothing to say. Every time the case is brought up against him he makes some nigly counterpoint about one thing and disappears. He only made a case (that was laughable) against hiropro after the day deadline and when it was completely unnecessary. Zealos, Tunkeg, and Katina all follow a similar pattern in high early activity and lower later activity. This is similarly true for both zelblade and froggy, with this being the least true for froggy as he's actually done things recently. Had he continued to stay relatively inactive without prodding I would call him scum but based on my cursory read of his most recent posts, and his tone, I think I shouldn't be including him in the above list. That leaves zelblade, who's just been completely missing. That could mean anything. If he indeed is town I think that means VE is that last scum, which wouldn't surprise me given how much he's been stretching and forcing the issue when it comes to lynching me. He accuses me of contradicting myself when he's done it himself numerous times just to put my name in the list of scum. In fact, he did it just recently just to vote me; in order to vote me, he had to contradict himself on his plea for vote consolidation. | ||
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if he's a scum I seriously doubt he'll get modkilled | ||
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On May 25 2012 19:20 Zealos wrote: I can't believe with all the scummy shit going on today that you guys still think I'm the best lynch.... There's still time guys, let's try and hit red today, instead of wasting another day. your talk is pretty empty, from the looks of it. It sucks for you to say that we should try and hit red today, but not actually come up with a single name because you know you're going to pop red, eh? | ||
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On May 25 2012 19:09 Tunkeg wrote: Or maybe I will post some right before the deadline. We'll see. because it totally makes sense to make a case on a person right before the LYNCH deadline, right? it still saddens me that I have to consider that you could possibly still be this dumb as town, but I'm going to go with the simpler route and assume you're scum. | ||
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