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On May 27 2012 22:58 supersoft wrote: PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF TOADESSTERN :D my thoughts exactly whenever I read his posts LOL I come across first Toad post = oh god wtf | ||
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I have a scumread on him based on his only two posts in the thread. Both of his posts are massive walls of summarizing nothing. He also asks | ||
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He asks a bunch of people to state who they're going to vote and stuff but he doesn't vote himself. | ||
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Going to assume that means a jailor protected me from a scum hit. I'm also going to assume it means that lurker I called out is probably scum. | ||
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We kill gambit man today. He ninja voted ET yesterday and he's said nothing. Eat shit and die, scum. ##vote Gambitx32 | ||
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If we had no vigis and all 6 scum lurked, by your plan none of them would ever die. Can't have that, now can we? | ||
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The fuck kind of defense is that? | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:27 austinmcc wrote: The nonexistent kind? I'm not defending him. I bring up the vote because: You brought up the no-vote in your initial 2 posts when you mentioned him. To the extent that the no-vote factored into your read, the read was off, but you may have been more focused on the crappy posting, in which case the no-vote is entirely irrelevant. So first of all, you're insinuating my read was off with no basis for that. We don't know what Gambit is. Do you know his alignment? Why would you suggest my read is off in this case with such off-hand confidence? Secondly, my mention of Gambit's vote had nothing to do with whether or not it was scummy. I asked because I didn't see his vote in this thread. A nonvoter results in a modkill or a warning. I had forgotten that there is a separate voting thread. When I looked there I discovered he voted ET. That's called a ninja vote, where you vote in the voting thread but you don't announce your vote or your reasoning in the main thread. That's far scummier than actually not voting, as RoL from Storm proved. Someone who ninjas a vote is trying to get by without being noticed. Townies don't do that. Scum do. Why? Because a townie who is merely inactive for whatever reason won't actually vote, thus resulting in a replacement or modkill. That's what happened with the guy I replaced. Scum will vote, but if they've been inactive all day they'll do one of two things: they'll make up (or tell the truth) an excuse for why they were gone and then place their vote somewhere. In the most blatant cases, scum will simply vote without justifying themselves. Did it work? Obviously he wasn't noticed. Again, I'm not trying to defend Gambit here, I'm trying to see your reasoning. Why him over
Why him over Zealos? Why not? Look at his posts. You think a townie would post that? Gambit is not likely to be modkilled if he's merely going to ninja vote again. Besides, I'd rather kill scum with the tools given to me rather than rely on the mods to do it for me. That's being both lazy and disingenuous. Anyway, I actually truly haven't read the case on Zealos nor many (if any) of his posts at all. I read in the thread up to Gambit's second post IIRC. I need to continue with the rest of the thread from there. Based on what I saw, though, I seriously doubt there will be an easier target than this guy. I am also quite interested in why he's not gaining traction as a lynch; only Blazinghand seems to be willing to kill him, and everyone else is stumbling over themselves to find an excuse not to. You know the last time that happened? Zealos in MTG. Zealos flipped scum. | ||
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On May 30 2012 12:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs can you maybe read Zealos and answer the question posed to you properly before you expect everyone to sheep someone who admittedly hasn't even read all of the thread? It's one thing to have an opposing viewpoint, it's entirely a different story when you admit to just dismissing the other viewpoint. whether or not I've read the rest of the thread is pretty irrelevant when the guy I'm attacking isn't even interested in playing the game. | ||
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good job medics/jailors. On May 30 2012 12:19 VisceraEyes wrote: [spoiler]IwillnottunnelbugsIwillnottunnelbugsIwillnottunnelbugs[spoiler] Guy, seriously...you're acting like YOU'RE not even interested in playing the game the way you're playing. Bugs: "Look at this guy with 2 posts kill it!" Others: "But Bugs what about Zealos" Bugs: "I haven't read Zealos, sheep me!" Others: "Bugs what about these other candidates?" Bugs: "My lynch of choice isn't picking up traction - only one explanation...scum interference! Sheep me if you're not scum!" Like...play with us guy! first of all: this argument actually worked in MTG when Zealos was scum. His lynch picked up no traction and I pointed that out. He was scum. In this case again Zealos is not picking up lynch traction. Neither is Gambit. I think they're both scum. I also think Mattchew is scum. Why? First of all, I ask that if you are a vig and you shot any of me/Meapak/Forumite/Mattchew, please claim now. If you claim now you will save us headaches later because there are 3 shot claims and 1 dead person from last night. That means either a vig shot one of us or one of the shot claimers is a liar. Right now I am inclined to believe that Mattchew is lying and that he is scum. Why? Because scum know who they've targetted. Thus, one of them will come forth and claim a shot as an attempt to become "confirmed" town. Usually it's one of the more experienced members of the scumteam. Mattchew claiming a shot is incredibly scummy because of the way he does it. Firstly, his filter is atrocious. He is very unlikely to be a mafia shot based on what he did yesterday. He lurked and wasn't a replacement, which means if anything he was likely to be a vig shot. Secondly, the "jump"/"trap" on SnB is really bad. SnB's attitude is nothing like it was when I saw him play scum. Secondly, SnB brought up valid points that I think any townie should be considering when you have such an abnormal night where almost no one dies. Now, it's possible Meapak is lying as well but I don't find that likely given how Meapak has behaved all game. I think it's safe for now to assume he's town. So, today, with the wealth of information we have, I think we should keep our lynch targets consolidated between Zealos, Mattchew, and Gambit, all of whom I am supremely confident will flip red. | ||
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On May 30 2012 13:36 Mattchew wrote: Um wbg... You should read the thread I've read it, and the entirety of your filter. Can't say the same for you. You're normally at the very least annoyingly active as town. In this game you're just annoyingly useless. No reads, just total bullshit. As your "defense" (if you could call it that) is to tell me to read, it's pretty apparent you're scum and not town. | ||
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The solution to this dilemma is simple. There is 4 claimed KP from last night. 1 is confirmed to have gone to Forumite. 3 are claimed by myself, Mattchew, and Meapak. If no vigi claims a shot that means that one of these players is lying. It's not me, and I really don't think it's Meapak. That leaves Mattchew. So, as long as there is no vig claim then Mattchew is almost certainly scum. In before scummy lurker #5 claims a shot on Mattchew | ||
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On May 30 2012 13:47 kitaman27 wrote: You can't sub into a game and then refuse to share your reads. this is funny, kita. I shared 3 of my reads. I'm not about to share my town reads (that aren't meapak) nor the rest of my reads. Though, I suppose if you're attacking me right now it means you've caught onto something. Good for you, it's nice to know scum are scared of me. | ||
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On May 30 2012 13:56 Mattchew wrote: DO YOU KNOW HOW FUCKING IRONIC THIS IS derp that's my bad. I glossed over that one post, particularly as you continually attacked snb for doubting you getting shot. you're still a liar. I don't like liars. | ||
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On May 30 2012 14:06 Mattchew wrote: cause there was nothing anti-town about it, if snb had not slipped so hard on it, it would have just confused mafia. he didn't slip at all, any reasonable townie would assume you were shot by a vig. your filter is completely void of anything, why would mafia ever shoot you? This is why general guides tell people not to gambit or lie as town; if you are actually town you're telling the truth now then all you've done is waste a bunch of time. | ||
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On May 30 2012 09:00 strongandbig wrote: Could Mattchew have been a vig shot? MZ and Foru make way more sense as scum kills but Mattchew doesn't make any sense there. This post to me seems to display no indication of knowledge of the night kills, just that your shot claim doesn't make sense as a scum one. | ||
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On May 30 2012 14:37 Mattchew wrote: God hindsight is 20/20 in this thread... Obviously now that people know I wasn't actually hit its super easy to say "omg you weren't a scum target thats so obvi duhhh" but before all the other hit claims no one said this except ET and SnB. And ET did not discount that scum shot me, he just expressed interest in it man are you dumb? That was 90% of the reason I was calling you scum. Both SnB and I thought the hit claim you were claiming had to either be a lie or a vig hit. Obviously there was no way scum would shoot you. Lying about it makes no sense as town, because you get situations like these. Now let's move on. We lynch gambit man, since he still hasn't appeared and his first two posts are still the same shit they were the last time I read them. | ||
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Most scum will vote just to stay alive but townies who go legitimately inactive won't usually vote without actually coming back to play. | ||
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I'm fine with killing Zealos, it seems as if the arguments we're having indicate that they're either both scum or both so terrible that they shouldn't live anyway. Zealos was saying he was going to be out till sometime through day 2 because of exams or something like that. I want to see what he says now that he's probably done with that stuff. | ||
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Supposing that what Toad is saying is true then we shouldn't touch Gambit for now. I'm going to reread stuff again and see if anyone other than Zealos stands out. ##unvote ##vote Zealos | ||
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On May 31 2012 06:21 Toadesstern wrote: I could be totally wrong and it's just a random thing he called me "mason recruited" instead of mason but as I said, that really made me think he might be a mason as well. But it was a thought and therefore I'd say we just wait to see if that was some kind of coincidence. And obviously when I was referring to the gay-phone-session from AC I am referring to a phone-session without killing in the end. I'm not that mean. are you a mason recruiter or just a mason? If you're not a "mason recruiter" then I don't see why gambit should be considered town. | ||
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On May 31 2012 06:31 EchelonTee wrote: ^ tons of us weren't in that game. What's differnece btwn mason and mason recruiter? I can't honestly believe that all of: Wiggles, Kita, MZ, VE, BH, WBG are ALL town. That would be like. OP. If I can't build a case on any of you, then I would support lynching one of Manason, G32, or Zealos, but I feel like going for a controversial lynch would yield bigger dividends. Higher risk, higher reward. MZ and I are basically confirmed town unless forumite took two shots. Also, I shouldn't truthfully be on a list with vets because I replaced in for a really inactive new townie. So that leaves Wiggles, Kita, VE, BH and probably a couple others (like kenpachi, you, marv etc) Out of those players I find a kita lynch the most acceptable. BH's activity has dropped off quite a bit and so he doesn't look as good as the others but kita looks by far the worst. He plays a very good scum game and it makes sense that the reads on him are only by feel, but there are specific things that I came across when reading his posts that made me question his alignment (though I failed to write them down) When I go back and read through the thread again later tonight I'll put up my thoughts on the matter. For now though I think lynching into Zealos or Gambit is fine. | ||
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Not all of these roles will be in the game, but all roles in the game will either be on this list, or be variations of roles on this list. I suppose it is possible. Toad you need to be clear about this. Are you a mason recruiter or just a mason? If you die do you leave behind a QT that the people you add can use? Also on SnB: I agree with what ET just said, I don't think SnB's attitude is indicative of him being scum. Mattchew you're just tunneled too far IMO. We could be wrong but I don't think a mafia SnB would be as bold about his opinions as he has been so far. That's a pretty rare characteristic even among experienced scum. | ||
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On May 31 2012 06:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The first part is enough to hang you, the second part will just be icing on the cake. Also btw everyone, that's what an analysis looks like. I frankly do not give a shit how so and so acted in some game from 2 months ago. I want you to tell me why so and so is scum THIS GAME. Meta is a useful tool, however I see a lot of people with no idea what they're doing trying to base entire arguments off of meta which is ridiculous. I don't care how someone is acting compared to the last game. Unless you can give relevant and referenced examples of their play in another game I'm not even going to pay attention (and no, just blindly linking someone's filter doesn't count, you have to explain why it's relevant). Town has been playing like shit so far today, not because people are playing bad, just because they're playing lazy. If you wanna talk about previous games then know this, lazy townies lost the last game I was in. I will not stand by and repeat that. So next time you accuse someone, you better have a damn good reason. the last game wasn't lost by lazy townies, it was lost by people not using their brains. I agree that we shouldn't be lazy but let's not fearmonger, yeah? I don't agree with your VE case and I don't think it's a very good idea to be trying to kill him right now. VE's play is fairly hard to read and he tends to do things that other players do not as town. He's fairly active and bold as both alignments and so what we need to do is force him to take sides on issues that matter. I.E, if he's scum we need to force him to bus all of them. | ||
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On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? I don't think that you can come to your conclusion based on that because he doesn't really suggest anything in other posts nor even in this one that he finds Toad to look town. It could be a semantic thing where he just thinks that Toad is town if he can prove he's a mason and if he's not he's lying scum. The dichotomy is obvious to anyone and I don't think this sentence in particular means anything. More interesting to me from that post is his sinensis sheep and how he calls out SnB but isn't willing to vote him and how he is aware of his own lurkiness. | ||
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First of all supersoft pointed out something very valid: VE was all for pushing zealos but not actually putting his vote where his mouth was. Five minutes after supersoft posts this, VE makes a post unvoting gambit and voting Zealos. That's scummy thing #1. Scummy thing #2 is when some random guy comes in the thread and calls Hyaach scummy. VE immediately lets go of his Zealos vote and then votes Hyaach. It's like he has no sense of consolidation and he's just going with the flavor of the moment. This is what he did in LI where I came in the thread and said "hey hassybaby is scummy" and then VE voted hassy after I voted him, and kept saying how he was willing to kill him but changed his vote later anyway. The only problem is that in recent games VE has been willing to put together a bunch of names as scum all at once and he hasn't been afraid of calling them all out regardless of how strong the actual cases are (though he himself feels strongly about them, I suppose) usually though he tunnels at least one of the players. Right now I'm not feeling like VE has any sort of real conviction, and at the very least town VE has balls. | ||
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On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I have balls Bugs...they're huge. The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes. Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that? Did you forget that MZ actually took a hit? So unless you consider MZ to be lying about taking a shot to the face, I don't even know why you're asking me about him. Yeah, I find kita scummy, but lack of a vote isn't actually as scummy as the constant change of vote onto the flavor of the moment. If you're going to constantly change your vote based on whoever is being called scum at any given moment why even vote at all? | ||
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On May 31 2012 12:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Because Probulous' case on Hyaach is better than yours on Gambit Bugs, get over it. I'm not even voting Gambit anymore. Or are you forgetting that you voted Zealos as well? Care to explain why you're calling nonvoters like kita scummy when the number of nonvoters is something like 18? You think they're all scum, or that all of the scum are in there? (and I think kita just ninja voted, or at least it's a ninja vote till he explains it here) | ||
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On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I have balls Bugs...they're huge. The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes. Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that? On May 30 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Whoa there buddy, we don't lynch lurkers here...we shoot scummy lurkers with holy bullets of townie fury....not hang them. How about we lynch someone who's posting so we can get information with our lynch? Ya? No? I like your target other than the fact that his lynch will net us no new information. On May 30 2012 10:00 VisceraEyes wrote: We absolutely can't, and if I were convinced that all 6 scum were lurking I'd definitely be down with lynching a scummy lurker...but as it stands, D2, I personally would rather find active scum. You can count on my support if it's needed though Bugs...Gambit has definitely gotta go one way or the other. On May 31 2012 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: How many games (Outside Responsibility) have you heard of that include different variations of the same role? I mean, is it possible? Yeah...obviously anything is possible. Probable? Meh. MEH. I don't think so sir. I think Gambit is a fine choice...Bugs, don't get buyer's remorse. Gambit is a fine lynch. On May 31 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Gambit ##Vote: Zealos No I can get down on this lynch. I think they're both scum at this point, and I think this is the motivation behind this VE push. On May 31 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I support a lynch of Hyaach....in fact, I agree that his flip will be more telling of important parties based on what I'm seeing in your case, so hell yeah. Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good. Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been. ##Unvote: Zealos ##Vote: Hyaach On May 31 2012 12:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Because Probulous' case on Hyaach is better than yours on Gambit Bugs, get over it. Other than those last two posts there's almost no mention of hyaach in your filter at all. You know what you're doing, VE? You're letting other people do work, then sheeping them. Sheeping the flavor of the moment. That's what scum do, because if they create cases they have to take responsibility for those cases. It also involves work. Scum are lazy. They like pulling the strings from the shadows because when townies get lynched the people who take the fall are the ones out in the open doing the dirty work. You're not doing any of the dirty work, VE. You're not making cases and you're not pushing lynches. You're sheeping them, and you've openly admitted that the sole reason you're not voting Gambit nor Zealos is because Probulous seemingly made a "stronger" case on Hyaach. Clearly you have not thought about a hyaach lynch nor did you even pay attention to him before. There was no indication of that in your filter. You also contradicted yourself and are trying to make others look bad instead of yourself. It's like you don't like the attention all of a sudden. So, all of MZ/kita/hyaach/zealos/gambit look bad, eh? Why is it that you seem to have no confidence or drive to actually make a proper read of any of these players? | ||
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On May 31 2012 12:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Because they actually have CASES Bugs. They're both gunning for me and only NOW want to vote for me? That strikes me as hella odd considering one of MZ's main contentions with me was my lack of vote on Kita early D2. yes, as opposed to you; you have no cases. lol. Kita gives me scummy vibes and I can't pin it for now but it doesn't make you any better. I truly have no reason to defend your play given how you are acting right now; you don't seem to be concerned at all with finding scum. | ||
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On May 31 2012 12:48 VisceraEyes wrote: BECAUSE YOU STUNNED ME INTO SILENCE ABOUT MY READS IN MTG BUGS kk this is all my fault. I get it. | ||
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On May 31 2012 12:51 VisceraEyes wrote: No it's not, it's mine...I let you mind-fuck me hard in that game (regardless of your alignment which is still unknown)...to the point where I'm not even sure if this is the game for me anymore. It's not your fault, but it's a direct result of your actions against me in that game. It's destroyed my confidence in my reads and even myself. ooooooookaaaaay. we can't really discuss that game but it's irrelevant since I'm town in both. That's all I'll say. Your play was still mind boggling and I still don't understand it. Moving on, right now the problem is that you're sheeping cases and you say MZ and kita are suspicious for not voting you but you think I'm suspicious of you because of your apparent willingness to lynch scummy lurkers. That's not the problem. The problem is that you jump ship every time a new name comes along. You ask irrelevant and distracting questions (like why am I not focused on scummy MZ over here) when it's public knowledge that the primary reason MZ is not and probably never will be suspicious is because of a game mechanic (his shot claim) | ||
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On May 31 2012 13:08 Probulous wrote: @WBG, what makes you think MZ is scummy? This looks like a pretty townie post to me. I don't think MZ is scummy, that was a paraphrase of what VE said here: As for Hyaach, I'm not as confident in him flipping scum as I am zealos or even Gambit (ignoring the mason thing) What Toad is saying might be meaningless about gambit, but in terms of the tone and type of posting I think Hyaach's tone and attitude come across less scummy than both Zealos and Gambit. Between Zealos and Hyaach I'd much rather kill Zealos. Seems odd to notice supersoft's craziness for what it was and then point it out in the thread. If he was scum, supersoft would be dead right? | ||
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On May 31 2012 13:08 Probulous wrote: @WBG, what makes you think MZ is scummy? This looks like a pretty townie post to me. I don't think MZ is scummy, that sentence was a paraphrase of VE saying this: On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that? As for Hyaach, I'm not as confident in him flipping scum as I am zealos or even Gambit (ignoring the mason thing) What Toad is saying might be meaningless about gambit, but in terms of the tone and type of posting I think Hyaach's tone and attitude come across less scummy than both Zealos and Gambit. Between Zealos and Hyaach I'd much rather kill Zealos. | ||
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On May 31 2012 15:33 VisceraEyes wrote: No one is SUPPOSED to glean that I'm a vigilante from it...crumbs are for determining targets posthumously....not for proving claims Maju. so if you died and flipped vig you think an upside down question mark would make it apparent that you tried to shoot zealos? That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard hahahahaha | ||
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and then Meapak wants to kill VE so everyone switches and is all like "let's go lynch VE gogogogogo" If VE turns out to be town then I'm going to be fairly suspicious of those people who derailed the zealos lynch by moving their votes. Basically anyone whose name is not Meapak, since he's pretty much confirmed town. For now though my vote stays on Zealos since I'm more confident that he's scum. Based on VE's past few games I can't say I have what it takes to get a proper read on him. | ||
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It's 5 am, gonna go to sleep and come back. Not wanting to lynch VE because he's flipped twice as town (liar game and MTG) when doing really scummy shit is a perfectly fine IMO. I have literally never seen a town player do what he's done in both of those games. His play in this game is a bit different, conservative in comparison almost, but even so I can't tell whether that's because he's tired of getting mislynched or because he's actually scum this time. Maybe I'm just discouraged with him flipping town when I think he's scum. I got him in LI but that feels like it doesn't mean anything anymore when he exhibits 10,000 scum tells and then flips town instead. | ||
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The exception I think is Liar Game. | ||
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Zealos is not getting votes. Day ends in like 4 hours? I guess VE is the best choice if we have tons of nonvoters. policy lynch VE whenever he claims blue for no reason I guess lol ##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes | ||
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And yes, marvellosity: it's a policy lynch because VE needs to learn to stop retardedly claiming regardless of his alignment. It makes it nearly impossible to know what he is. | ||
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My wireless adapter on my laptop has stopped working, so I'm relegated to my phone for who knows how long. Let's carry out this VE lynch and get it over with; he's going to get lynched somehow sometime with this many people wanting him dead. Might as well get rid of some clutter anyway. I'l be watching lord of the rings and checking back every now and then. | ||
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Kill gambit, kill kita, slap the living shit out of both supersoft and meapak. Please protect me and marvellosity. Or don't protect me I really don't care, but someone please protect marvellosity at least. | ||
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Gambit is like 95% scum. Kita probable scum. jaj possibly scum. Papa maju possible scum. Everyone else is either town or worthless, tending more toward the worthless side. | ||
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MZ because he was the originator of the case and kita cause he's scum. | ||
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Lol maju you scum? Planning on shooting me and ET? You know ET is town? Jesus this couldn't get easier | ||
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grush + snb dying is pretty bad too -_- good news: we can kill those people who liked SnB for scum but didn't like Zealos. | ||
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I guess I'm biased on Gambit though, I've been pushing him since n1 and all he's done since then is ninja vote to skirt the modkill. | ||
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If kita flips town then we'll be in trouble. | ||
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##vote Gambitx32 Kita are you jealous that I'n confirmed town? | ||
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go figure. | ||
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On June 04 2012 08:15 EchelonTee wrote: wbg/toad/MZ, pick up yo activity bros. We already lost a bunch of our buddies; they're going to be firing into us littler men soon, so you better continue to show your townieness. don't tell me what to do | ||
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On June 04 2012 12:57 papapanda wrote: Kenpachi, reading through your filter again I saw that you fos me. Can you post some things I can try to defend against if you still find me scummy? I'll be out the rest of tonight, but I will respond as soon as I can. based on this post I'm going to assume you are scum and that kenpachi is town. Thanks for making it that easy. | ||
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On June 02 2012 10:31 Manason wrote: ##Vote Kitaman I will post a case later. liar | ||
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On June 04 2012 13:51 MajuGarzett wrote: I'm scum, scummy scum scummy scummy scum scum I'M SCUM PLEASE KILL ME I'M SO SCUMMY IT HURTS thanks for the info mate | ||
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On June 04 2012 14:28 MajuGarzett wrote: Has there been a case made on Marv to look at by any chance? I don't think I saw one. I've felt pretty safe about him though. I'd not vote for his lynch unless I've missed some really obvious scum tell. Manason would be a good lynch I think. Marv's case on him was pretty sensible though I hope that Mana comes back to reply to it fully and also to present the promised case on Kita. I also found it strange that Mana never really commented on other cases on Kita and just went and said he'd construct his own case. It would make sense to do this if he had different reasons for suspecting Kita than others do but from what I can see he has only expressed agreement with the cases. He could be trying to avoid looking like he's blindly agreeing with people by saying he'll make his own case. answer one question: what's the single most important thing marvellosity did this game? | ||
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cool, you're not reading the thread so that affirms my suspicion you're scum. | ||
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You know the answer? | ||
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They read your first post They have fake claims. If your pattern with the claim was actually consistent the trap might've worked. Since you contradicted yourself, though, we can't tell. | ||
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e: in the op | ||
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My effort was pretty poor though, sorry to town for that. The kita read especially was very bad. | ||
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On June 18 2012 06:33 supersoft wrote: yes I am not used to play blue... I am vt almost every game and I like being vt the most. However it was really fun this game to save WBG... pretty cool to gain extra information by such things... that was an excellent save on your part.It's not often I get shot n1 anyway. | ||
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Kita claiming medic removed him from the scum suspect list unless something weird happened the night after. At that point if maju and papanda die back to back you've flipped four relatively new scum. Wiggles was next. The only question mark was the last scum who happened to be marvellosity. Certainly the game was winnable but both the hyaach and manason lynches were really really bad. | ||
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Also toward lylo you're dealing with the townies who, all game, have been wrong or haven't been reading properly, so it's not likely they'll start to read any time soon. At that point because reading is imperative it's over unless you have a blue. Kudos to marvellosity for staying alive to that point; the hardest part is killing all the scary townies and getting away with it. Thanks again to sloosh and greymist for a great hosting job. Sorry for all those inactives you were forced to modkill/replace. | ||
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On June 19 2012 10:16 kitaman27 wrote: hahaha I was just about to post how much trouble I have seperating townie inactives and mafia lurkers, refreshed the thread, and saw this :p Someone wanna explain what they look for? what do you mean? | ||
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On June 19 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote: how do you tell if a scummy lurker is noob scum or noob town oh, style of posting I guess. There's less posts to look at so sometimes it's even easier. That's how it was when I caught gambit/maju/papa. I'm definitely not great at it, but recently I've been focusing on figuring out the lurking/bad townies from the scum and I think I've been getting a bit better. As for manason the reason I put him further down the list as opposed to outright pushing him was because the scummiest thing he did was say he'd make a case on kita and then he didn't do it. That was literally the only reason he was on my scumlist and honestly, since townies do that all the time, it didn't make me very confident of him. Nonetheless I included him because lots of other people wanted to kill him. I completely ignored Hyaach because I didn't find anything he said to be scummy. He was saying his opinion up front and wasn't really trying to be diplomatic. Sometimes the stupider something sounds the townier it is for someone to say. I haven't seen anyone truly abuse the ability to blend in as dumb town, so for now whenever I see really odd or illogical plays I mark the player as town unless it's a veteran who knows better. However, even in those cases it's dangerous sometimes. Lately I've been realizing more and more that regardless of my efforts I'm swayed by popular opinion really really heavily. It's this notion that going with the flow is good for town and that if I'm wrong, it's okay because a bunch of other people would be wrong too. That's a poisonous way of thinking IMO and I've been trying incredibly hard to stop doing that. I first started realizing that a long long time ago and I have yet to kill that feeling, because the ideas get planted in my head without me even realizing they're being planted there. The first time I realized this was possible was when I shot Foolishness over sandroba in PYP:Interesting because I thought other townies had a better read of them than I did. I was wrong and Foolishness flipped town when sandro would've flipped scum. More recent examples are Liar Game with Sheth and Palmar (VE in that game was not sheeping but I'm not sure how to explain that), this game with VE/kita, Poison with Zephirdd/risk, and MTG with Mouldy and Acid. EDIT: Oh and DFM with the multitude of townies like bluelightz, me listening to Cephiro about his plan over killing syllo, etc. | ||
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