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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
you also should read my filter more often! all of you. dropped some truth already. + i want to apologize to wiggles first victim: i realized too late, that you were actually going to die. next time i'll yell much more at them. how retarded was that lynch... i think wiggles needs to die for not listening to the town at the end. i dont buy it that he wasnt around at deadline since he was the one who got elected. i think if zealos is scum, wiggles looks really bad and should die. i doubt that he'll be able to erase the doubts then. 70% chance he's scum if zealos is. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
Phagga, Cwave, and Kenpachi. The following players have been forcibly replaced due to not voting and failure to post in the thread: Alderan has been replaced by marvellosity meeple has been replaced by Wherebugsgo FirmTofu has been replaced by Ange777 If you have questions, please PM me, and avoid discussing this in the thread until the game has concluded. Thank you and GL HF | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
With all those people who haven't posted at all I feel the danger of masoning a guy who ends up being shot is really high with something like 4 KP and if that were to happen the shitstorm would be massive. So if I am lucky I masoned a mafia, figure him out in PM land tomorrow and he still confirms me as town :p Also hi to wbg  | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
I've been semi-following the thread, I'll give it a good read this evening and with any luck have something useful to post. Although I'm already doing better than my predecessor. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
 + Show Spoiler + jokejoke | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On May 29 2012 21:19 Toadesstern wrote: clarity sucks if you are confirmed town. You are not a confirmed Town. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Thoughts about that? Also again, no protection for wiggles, kita or E Wiggles sounds like a nice lynch target for tomorrow. Kita sounds like a nice vig target for toda and ET doesn't need protection because he's the pardoner. Mafia wants him alive for the role (hoping he uses it no matter if he's town, mafia or third party) and town wants him dead for the role to ensure he never gets to use it, No way mafia shoots and that if they do I don't care, I'm happy about a dead pardoner no matter his alignment. That leaves me and a few other people you should consider for protection. I want at least a jailer on me for obvious reasons and I won't talk about who looks good other than me because surely you can figure that out yourself and I don't want to influence mafia hits LOL | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On May 29 2012 20:17 Blazinghand wrote: Good point! It's actually literally impossible for a mafia player to do that, and by saying "I was busy for 48 hours" you're doing something that only a town player could do! That really DOES excuse your D1 play :D Furthermore, your VT claim TOTALLY makes sense, was 100% useful to town, and definitely won't help scum target the blues.  As a final note, when people make weird claims like that, post nothing for 48 hours, then make non-reasons to defend themselves not posting any reads or pressure D1, that's unbelievably helpful, and really is how all TL townies should play. You are not suspicious at all.  Look, BH - I understand that you were offended, and I shouldn't have said what I said. I apologized to you twice, and tried to explain what I meant/should have said. Can we move on now? Posts like the one I quoted and the one before it in your filter aren't helping the town atmosphere. Let's also clear something up so we can move on. Are you satisfied with how I responded to your pressure on my aborted pardoner campaign or do you still want me to explain myself? @stofu: Your long reads post reminds me a lot of what I would have posted in my first scum games. I ended up subconsciously being very noncommittal that game, even though I didn't mean to. So how about you commit to something - who is your number 1 scum read? If you were a compulsive vigilante (had to shoot someone tonight) who would you shoot? (those don't have to be the same person.) | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Since I didn't present any alternate lynch candidates yesterday, I wanted to go ahead and note that I'm finding Forumite rather scummy at this point. He initially got involved in a discussion as to whether or not we wanted to lynch the vice-mayor, nothing really to be gained from that. But afterwards, I get the feeling that he's trying to present himself as making some strong reads/arguments about others when he's either not or is sheeping what has already been presented. To start with - Toad On May 27 2012 23:39 Forumite wrote: A bold statement when the day hasn´t really begun, more than half the players are yet to weigh in. I´m agreeing with supersoft on this, he says Toades is scum and I´m inclined to agree with him. Toades explains more about his scumplay than townplay when he is making a case on his townieness, and he´s sounding more nervous than angry in his interaction with supersoft. I´ve seen many town-town arguments, and I don´t think this is one. Toad sounds nervous, and interacts with supersoft in a non-town-town manner. But that's all that Forumite ever presents on Toad. He's then got a couple posts where it feels like he's trying to take credit for pushing Toad. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 02:48 Forumite wrote: I am, I was just starting when he went offline. I´ll pick it up when he gets back. Good to know everyone is jumping on Toades, I was afraid it was only me and supersoft. + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 07:24 Forumite wrote: I´m glad to hear that I was pressuring Toades so much that it forced him to claim. Oh wait... When you, one of my stronger scumreads, accuse ET, one of my stronger townreads, of being scum then I´m having a hard time taking you seriously Toades. I´m with VE on this, I don´t want more power to Toades. He may have been "just starting" to attack Toad, but I certainly don't see him "jumping on Toad" and I don't see much of a case or a strong read. To the extent that Forumite does continue to pressure Toad when Toad is active again, there's never much of a case made, and it Given that Forumite didn't really say much about Toad, I find it curious that he was "just starting" to attack Toad, and that he and supersoft were "jumping on Toad." I don't see that. I don't see much of a case or a strong read, and while he makes good on continuing to pressure Toad when Toad is active again, there's never really much of a case made. He outlines what conclusions we could draw from certain Toad + masoned player combinations and flips, but that doesn't address why he claims to have been attacking Toad so hard early, before the claim. Next up - Zealos To start with: On May 29 2012 07:19 Forumite wrote: There´s my first scumpick! Zealos is scum and needs to die. No reasoning beyond that, Zealos has now become his first scumpick, despite all the interaction with Toad. Next couple posts concerning Zealos? I think Zealos, or barring him a lurker, is a better lynch. On May 29 2012 07:40 Forumite wrote: Things like this, it´s just bad! We now know that Zealos is scum. He needs to die. And his post or logic is "just bad." Supersoft calls him out on "stealing" the Zealos case: + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 07:55 Forumite wrote: I´m not stealing anyones case, I got an early scumread on Zealos and now I´m telling you about it, if you or S&B or anyone else agree, then I´m happy about that. My first duty is to show I´m town, the second is to find scum. I have to be clear about the first, the second one I prefer to keep to myself until I need to present my reads. Sorry if this makes my filter look a bit thin. His explanation doesn't make sense either. He got an early scumread on Zealos, where early = after the scumread on Toad that he's now put aside. He's telling us about it, without ever telling us anything really. And somehow, in doing this, he's attempted to show that he's town while waiting to find scum until he needs to present reads. Yet half or more of his posts are concerning Toad or Zealos, two players he's presented as strong scumreads. We finally get an explanation after all of this - + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 08:30 Forumite wrote: Let´s kill Zealos :D Useless claim for no reason, little content, telling people to get along and drops a vote. Defends Toades for no reason at all, it wasn´t even much of a case on Toades, and definetly no wagon. Could be that he´s a town on edge, but I don´t like it. Not everyone was jumping on Toades, not that many really. Preemptive defence, could be to gain town credit, or defend a scumbuddy. It doesn´t feel like he´s as suspicious of Toades play as he should be as town. Best one of all, Zealos is basically saying he´s suspicious without taking responsibility. I´d like to say it´s scum guilt, a combination of knowing he´s accusing a townie and not wanting to take a stand in case it gets him into trouble once S&B flips. It's little one and two liners, discussing quotes that either he or other players have already discussed. The first quote is a "useless claim." Zealos then defended Toad and wasn't as suspicious of Toad as he should have been if he were town. And finally, the comment that was "just bad" before. He states shortly thereafter I tried to make a case on Zealos. There´s not much to go on, but the 3 things he´s done in the game look bad. I don't get anything from his posts so far N1 that push me one way or the other. But during D1, more than any other player right now, I get a scum read from him. Stating that he's made cases when he either hasn't or is sheeping someone else's case. The only times he got challenged for it, he backed off and gave really odd responses. He's got to show he's town, and find scum after that, but he wants to keep the scumhunting to himself until he "needs" to present reads. Then despite posting a case on Zealos, his strongest read it seems, he admits there's not much to go on once challenged. FoS: Forumite | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On May 29 2012 13:25 Manason wrote: I voted for Mr. Wiggles because I trusted that he would make a good lynch, so I'm curious as to who he would want to lynch because to be honest I don't have the time nor will power to sit here and analyze everyone. I'd rather someone who I know is better than me to be suspicious and then I can form my own opinion on the matter. The people on my radar I would rather not say because I have zero evidence to back up my claims other than pure intuition, which could be wrong. So no use making enemies when no one will believe me anyway. That's not how the game works. Until you start throwing opinions out there, we can't read you, and once we run out of other lurkers, that makes you a lynch/vig target. We don't expect your reads to be any good, but we expect honesty and effort. Intuition is fine, and you can't worry about making enemies. People expect to be accused when they play the game. Also, people "better than you" do have a few suspicions, so what do you think about Zealos, Kitaman and Wiggles? | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
but why are you guys always trying so hard. Finding scum is a lot easier than you might think. Don't think around 3 corners. Try to catch the little things. Like that Zealos defends toad at a point when it was really useless to defend him. Neither was he in danger of getting lynched, nor is reducing the pressure that is currently put on a player helping the town. A reasonable explanation for his behaviour is that he's scum, he knows Toad is not. He wanted to get a little towncred. Or not even this, he just wanted to say something. Maybe Toad is even scum, too... See? There are plenty of reasonable explanations for his behaviour if he's scum and almost none if he's town. It's not a super strong case, but it is a case. Every other case so far except my toadcase (who is currently on ice until he's confirmed mason) was uncovered and not well thought out. Especially our lynch yesterday. That case was terrible. There was really nothing about it. I could write a lot about why this player was a bad lynch. From an overall gamepolicy point of view because we got no information - maybe some about wiggles - and an individual point of view, because he obviously was town. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On Toades, I was suspicious of him from when supersoft called him out on talking about his own scumplay when running for Mayor. I think his play and claim was really weird, but since he´s going to more or less confirm himself tomorrow there´s no point in pushing him now. I´m keeping an eye on him, but he stopped being a lynch candidate after his claim. He looked suspicious and will need to deliver with this Mason business, and I think he needs to step up his posting, but there´s no reason to think he´s scum right now, assuming he proves he´s a mason. On Zealos, he was a strong scumread of mine from very early in the day, I just waited with revealing that. I think supersoft poked me about that, otherwise noone has asked me to reveal my stance on much of anything. If noone asks me to post my reads, then I won´t, at least until a player gets a lot of attention and I need to either support or oppose his lynch. As for my case, I see scumtells in almost all his posts, if I have little to go on it´s because he hasn´t posted much yet, but what he had posted at that time looked very bad indeed. Do you disagree? Do you think Zealos is a shining example of how Town should play? | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
I never wanted Sinesis lynched. I truly felt how much he hurt, as I was the poster. We should of waited longer to see if he was still just going to lynch me or if he was going to help. It is improbable that Mr. Wiggles is mafia(As several people wanted Sinesis to die), but that would be the person to lynch as like Toad stated no information as he just wanted me to die. I think Zealos should die. He is being an inactive LIV me. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I don't disagree with the read on Zealos, and I don't think it's an example of good town play. But that seems to be the general opinion. I just don't get a good feeling from the way it feels like you tried to pump up your reads on Toad and Zealos, especially when a lot of your reasoning came from supersoft or didn't even feel that strong for you (He said, as he finishes presenting a read that apparently isn't all that strong...). Also, when we had so many inactive players, choosing to hold your reads until pressured to reveal anything doesn't quite sit right with me. Do you currently have any reads outside the main targets of discussion that feel scummy to you? | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On May 30 2012 00:04 supersoft wrote: hey i really appreciate your effort, but why are you guys always trying so hard. Finding scum is a lot easier than you might think. Don't think around 3 corners. Try to catch the little things. Like that Zealos defends toad at a point when it was really useless to defend him. Neither was he in danger of getting lynched, nor is reducing the pressure that is currently put on a player helping the town. I considered defending Toad at that point. Why? Because when Toad's defending himself, it tends to absolutely dominate the thread, and I didn't think the evidence against him was worth that. However, Zealos never gave that explanation, and his overnight performance is a couple of one-liners with an attempt at provoking BH. Not following his Mr Helpful angle from day 1, and he had cases to answer which he ignored. I support him as a vig target. On May 30 2012 00:04 supersoft wrote: Every other case so far except my toadcase (who is currently on ice until he's confirmed mason) was uncovered and not well thought out. Especially our lynch yesterday. That case was terrible. There was really nothing about it. I could write a lot about why this player was a bad lynch. From an overall gamepolicy point of view because we got no information - maybe some about wiggles - and an individual point of view, because he obviously was town. I can't get my head around the idea of someone signing up for a game with a premeditated plan to tunnel the crap out of one player and ignore the actual game. He never even said anything in the postgame of LIV. I'll just have to file him under "strange things that townies do". | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 30 2012 00:45 jaj22 wrote: I can't get my head around the idea of someone signing up for a game with a premeditated plan to tunnel the crap out of one player and ignore the actual game. He never even said anything in the postgame of LIV. I'll just have to file him under "strange things that townies do". On this whole issue generally. I think you really have to have been in LIV to understand the sentiments of many. BH and I weren't in the original signups for this game precisely because of LIV (yes, we both didn't sign up to this game on the original list because of how LIV played out). So I find Sinensis' actions really quite understandable. There have been plenty of people in this thread saying things along the lines of "but OMG, there's no such THING as anti-town town!". I had subscribed to that myself, but LIV shook my faith in this. And I was the scum taking advantage of it for god's sakes. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On May 30 2012 00:45 jaj22 wrote: I considered defending Toad at that point. Why? Because I am bad fixd | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
no wait i filtered you. You're really bad. I first wanted to make a little joke, now i saw it's true. Any defense? Admitting you're scum could help it. | ||
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