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On May 30 2012 02:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Toad if he had gone with another target who flipped town, are you sure you wouldn't be crucifyinghim now for "not lynching who he said he'd lynch"? I don't think adhering to his campaign platform is particularly suspicious myself, and apart from the mislynch Wiggle has been one of my stronger townreads...I don't get wanting him dead because he lyncher Sin.
yes pretty sure.
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On May 30 2012 01:57 supersoft wrote:
okay let's play a game: i give you a name and we both write down what we think about his posts and we'll trade it in like 20min (got to eat meanwhile):
meapak_ziph
Ok, I'll play.
Slightly scummy stuff:
- Not running for election despite relatively strong standing.
- Possible buddying/overpraising of ET, Wiggles and Kita.
- Dismisses Toad's case against ET without addressing the points.
- Seems to be ok with policy-lynching Sinensis.
- Story clearly pictures Kita as depressed town. Soft defence?
- Switches Kita to a scum read without explanation.
- Avoids giving read on SnB. Excuse that he hasn't read him.
- No mention at all of Zealos.
On the plus side he's been active and he's contributed on most of the major issues without looking hesitant or indecisive. The lack of reads on SnB and Zealos is by far the worst part.
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stop telling where to shoot and where a shot is not needed gosh
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Supersoft, are you scum, or are you just acting silly on purpose?
On May 30 2012 00:04 supersoft wrote:
hey i really appreciate your effort,
but why are you guys always trying so hard. Finding scum is a lot easier than you might think. Don't think around 3 corners. Try to catch the little things. Like that Zealos defends toad at a point when it was really useless to defend him. Neither was he in danger of getting lynched, nor is reducing the pressure that is currently put on a player helping the town. A reasonable explanation for his behaviour is that he's scum, he knows Toad is not. He wanted to get a little towncred. Or not even this, he just wanted to say something. Maybe Toad is even scum, too... See? There are plenty of reasonable explanations for his behaviour if he's scum and almost none if he's town.
It's not a super strong case, but it is a case.
Every other case so far except my toadcase (who is currently on ice until he's confirmed mason) was uncovered and not well thought out. Especially our lynch yesterday. That case was terrible. There was really nothing about it. I could write a lot about why this player was a bad lynch. From an overall gamepolicy point of view because we got no information - maybe some about wiggles - and an individual point of view, because he obviously was town.
Here you say that the case was terrible and sinensis was obviously town. As well, you say that it was a bad lynch. However, when it was actually Day 1, you said no such things. It's only now, after sinensis has flipped that you're coming in here making posts about how he was very obviously town and that the lynch was terrible. The closest (and only!) post to that from before the flip is this:
On May 29 2012 08:25 supersoft wrote:
aww yeah i filtered this sinensis real quick. Completely useless fellow, hang him if you want. Reducing disturbing noise is better than nothing. I'd prefer reducing mafia kp, but you cannot have it all :-/
In which it is not a very good defense of a player who is "obviously" town. It's not going to do anything to change someone's mind. As well, this came after I said that if elected I would lynch sinensis, so there's no excuse like what you said in this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 29 2012 21:35 supersoft wrote:
please dont protect wiggles. i'd rather vig him than protect him. he's been completely useless so far as toad pointed out correctly.
you also should read my filter more often! all of you. dropped some truth already.
+ i want to apologize to wiggles first victim: i realized too late, that you were actually going to die. next time i'll yell much more at them. how retarded was that lynch... i think wiggles needs to die for not listening to the town at the end.
i dont buy it that he wasnt around at deadline since he was the one who got elected. i think if zealos is scum, wiggles looks really bad and should die. i doubt that he'll be able to erase the doubts then. 70% chance he's scum if zealos is.
Of not realizing I was actually going to kill him. I made that very clear in my post, where I stated, "If elected mayor, I'm planning on lynching Sinensis". I don't think it gets any clearer than that. So, you did nothing to try to convince anyone that sinensis was town, which wasn't obvious, considering I had the support of 11 people in lynching him, and you did nothing to convince me to change the lynch. However, after the lynch you're now up in arms about my lynch choice and how I've acted. So, you're either being silly, or you're trying to shovel suspicion on me because I mislynched and just became a lot easier of a target to do so on.
Here's a question for you. If you believed so strongly in these things, why do you only mention them after the flip, and not before when it actually matters and can make a difference?
I also disagree with what Toad said, but that comes down to what we thought about lynches, and who was a good lynch. Obviously, we disagreed.
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lol supersoft you're not ace, stop trying to be.
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Damn Wiggles, don´t you think you are overreacting? Pulling "11 people voted for me, so there!" to shut him up? Silly on purpose or scum, OMGUS much?
Anyway, what I want to know is where you were at the deadline.
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On May 29 2012 03:03 supersoft wrote:
My strongest townread is forumite and therefor i vote him for office. I think everyone should do the same. Result will be, that most likely townplayers are in this office and not some players you guys expect to win the game for you. Btw this office with no bodyguards is no office we want to vote the players in, who are in danger of getting shot tonight.
As long as we're talking about super soft, I still haven't heard any response other than "wrong" explaining how this plan is not super scummy.
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On May 30 2012 03:05 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 03:03 supersoft wrote:
My strongest townread is forumite and therefor i vote him for office. I think everyone should do the same. Result will be, that most likely townplayers are in this office and not some players you guys expect to win the game for you. Btw this office with no bodyguards is no office we want to vote the players in, who are in danger of getting shot tonight. As long as we're talking about super soft, I still haven't heard any response other than "wrong" explaining how this plan is not super scummy.
I did the same as I disagreed with what wiggles said and thought ET is scummy d1 and both were clearly leading the elections at that point in time.
Am I scummy as well?
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On May 28 2012 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
"Lots of people I don't know in this game, I would run for mayor but there are already a lot of candidates and I'd be happy with both ET and wiggles at the moment."
On May 28 2012 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 12:10 Sinensis wrote:
EBWOP: If a mislynch is going to happen, which in all likelyhood it will because that's the nature of day 1 lynches in big games, I would much rather lose grush than someone like, for example wiggles. Dat attitude... Also dat logic failure. You lynch people for acting scummy, not because they fucked you over in the last game. You threw out a huge red herring there by comparing wiggles to grush. Unless wiggles decides to claim scum, I'd bet every penny I own he won't be lynched today. Why? Because wiggles has been posting clearly, coherently, and in a protown manner. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize wiggles is a bad lynch, we're in no danger of "losing him". You're attempting to policy lynch grush (for the record policy lynches are retarded), because he's bad, not because he's scummy. Nobody wants to policy lynch wiggles, thus comparing grush to someone like wiggles is like comparing apples to oranges. If you want to bring an actual case about why grush is scum then please do, until then both you and blazinghand can drop it.
there MZ makes sinensis looking worse than he actually is... was...
On May 28 2012 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Seriously bro, if you're not actually interested in scum hunting then you're not helping the town and would thus make a decent d1 lynch.
Does MZ know he's not scum? Hang him because he doesnt hunt, not because he's scum hmmm
I thoight this policylynching of bad players is so bad?! wasn't that the main point of the case against sinensis
On May 28 2012 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
"And please read your own posts, you did compare grush to wiggles:"
not really. He distinguished between the two of them. The one is a good and the other is a bad day1 lynch.
On May 28 2012 17:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 17:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
MZ I want your opinion: obviously in an ideal situation the town comes to a consensus on a lynch and there are no problems. But is it really in town's best interest to never use the pardoner power? hmmm. Personally if I was pardoner and I felt VERY strongly that the person who was getting lynched was town I would not hesitate to pardon them simply because I still trust my judgement enough to make that call. Similarly, I wouldn't have a problem if someone pardoned someone who I thought was town. That being said, it is just a lot simpler if the pardoner is never used in. Even if a townie dies, information will be gleaned from the flip and we won't waste a cycle debating the action of the pardoner.
I agree with that. 100%.
On May 29 2012 04:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Don't lynch toad today. There's no need to lynch him now. Tomorrow he'll either be confirmed, dead, or outed. Seeing as he "can't be roleblocked" he'll have no excuses.
agree
On May 30 2012 02:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
lol supersoft you're not ace, stop trying to be.
What, you're getting nervous because i randomly picked you?
btw. what do you think about zealos. You didn't mention him there:
On May 30 2012 02:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:"Lynches I would be happy with: sinensis, and kita."
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nothing you do makes me nervous supersoft -_-
What you just wrote is one of the dumber posts that's been made since sinensis died and BH stopped derping.
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On May 30 2012 03:05 Forumite wrote:
Damn Wiggles, don´t you think you are overreacting? Pulling "11 people voted for me, so there!" to shut him up? Silly on purpose or scum, OMGUS much?
Anyway, what I want to know is where you were at the deadline.
How am I over-reacting? Supersoft is saying that he wants a vig to hit me, so obviously if he thinks that strongly about me, I'm going to reply. I'm not trying to shut him up either, but implying that I had no support for my lynch, or that general consensus was that sinensis was town, are factually wrong, unless people voted for me even though they disagreed with my lynch target.
Also, supersoft's behaviour is pretty suspect to me right now. I posted why. For someone who didn't explicitly object to lynching sinensis, he sure has come on strongly after the flip to throw a lot of suspicion on me and claim that sinensis was a terrible lynch and obviously town. If supersoft actually posted before the lynch that he strongly believed sinensis to be town, or that he was a terrible lynch, maybe I could understand it. But in the hours leading up to the lynch, he did no such thing, even though he was around after I said who I was going to lynch and could see what was happening. It's pretty typical mafia behaviour to not do anything to object to a lynch, and then come in after the lynch claiming it was terrible and he knew the person was town all along to throw suspicion onto the people who supported it. So, I see him as scummy, or maybe he could just be a townie being very silly.
I was around at the deadline, why do you think I wasn't?
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Is that because he drew no conclusion Mz? I didn't mind the post aside from the fact that he doesn't say whether or not he thinks you're scum.
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On May 30 2012 02:47 jaj22 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 30 2012 01:57 supersoft wrote:
okay let's play a game: i give you a name and we both write down what we think about his posts and we'll trade it in like 20min (got to eat meanwhile):
meapak_ziph
Ok, I'll play. Slightly scummy stuff: - Not running for election despite relatively strong standing. - Possible buddying/overpraising of ET, Wiggles and Kita. - Dismisses Toad's case against ET without addressing the points. - Seems to be ok with policy-lynching Sinensis. - Story clearly pictures Kita as depressed town. Soft defence? - Switches Kita to a scum read without explanation. - Avoids giving read on SnB. Excuse that he hasn't read him. - No mention at all of Zealos. On the plus side he's been active and he's contributed on most of the major issues without looking hesitant or indecisive. The lack of reads on SnB and Zealos is by far the worst part.
okay cool. I didn't read your post and I am glad we have almost the same/similar result. interesting.
On May 30 2012 02:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Supersoft, are you scum, or are you just acting silly on purpose? + Show Spoiler +On May 30 2012 00:04 supersoft wrote:
hey i really appreciate your effort,
but why are you guys always trying so hard. Finding scum is a lot easier than you might think. Don't think around 3 corners. Try to catch the little things. Like that Zealos defends toad at a point when it was really useless to defend him. Neither was he in danger of getting lynched, nor is reducing the pressure that is currently put on a player helping the town. A reasonable explanation for his behaviour is that he's scum, he knows Toad is not. He wanted to get a little towncred. Or not even this, he just wanted to say something. Maybe Toad is even scum, too... See? There are plenty of reasonable explanations for his behaviour if he's scum and almost none if he's town.
It's not a super strong case, but it is a case.
Every other case so far except my toadcase (who is currently on ice until he's confirmed mason) was uncovered and not well thought out. Especially our lynch yesterday. That case was terrible. There was really nothing about it. I could write a lot about why this player was a bad lynch. From an overall gamepolicy point of view because we got no information - maybe some about wiggles - and an individual point of view, because he obviously was town. Here you say that the case was terrible and sinensis was obviously town. As well, you say that it was a bad lynch. However, when it was actually Day 1, you said no such things. It's only now, after sinensis has flipped that you're coming in here making posts about how he was very obviously town and that the lynch was terrible. The closest (and only!) post to that from before the flip is this: On May 29 2012 08:25 supersoft wrote:
aww yeah i filtered this sinensis real quick. Completely useless fellow, hang him if you want. Reducing disturbing noise is better than nothing. I'd prefer reducing mafia kp, but you cannot have it all :-/ In which it is not a very good defense of a player who is "obviously" town. It's not going to do anything to change someone's mind. As well, this came after I said that if elected I would lynch sinensis, so there's no excuse like what you said in this post: + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2012 21:35 supersoft wrote:
please dont protect wiggles. i'd rather vig him than protect him. he's been completely useless so far as toad pointed out correctly.
you also should read my filter more often! all of you. dropped some truth already.
+ i want to apologize to wiggles first victim: i realized too late, that you were actually going to die. next time i'll yell much more at them. how retarded was that lynch... i think wiggles needs to die for not listening to the town at the end.
i dont buy it that he wasnt around at deadline since he was the one who got elected. i think if zealos is scum, wiggles looks really bad and should die. i doubt that he'll be able to erase the doubts then. 70% chance he's scum if zealos is. Of not realizing I was actually going to kill him. I made that very clear in my post, where I stated, "If elected mayor, I'm planning on lynching Sinensis". I don't think it gets any clearer than that. So, you did nothing to try to convince anyone that sinensis was town, which wasn't obvious, considering I had the support of 11 people in lynching him, and you did nothing to convince me to change the lynch. However, after the lynch you're now up in arms about my lynch choice and how I've acted. So, you're either being silly, or you're trying to shovel suspicion on me because I mislynched and just became a lot easier of a target to do so on. Here's a question for you. If you believed so strongly in these things, why do you only mention them after the flip, and not before when it actually matters and can make a difference? I also disagree with what Toad said, but that comes down to what we thought about lynches, and who was a good lynch. Obviously, we disagreed.
Okay I have to admit, I really didn't pay enough attention to the votes. I think I already wrote that down somewhere. Bad play. Really. But as far as i know, we discussed zealos as a lynchtarget while you were still around. You didn't react and killed sinesis instead.
I dind't pay too much attention, because I thought we could swing something around in the last hour. Somehow i am used to that especially when there is one guy deciding who to lynch.
In my eyes the common sense at the end of day1 was that zealos is the best lynch. However you refused to carry out that lynch, you failed and now we're here.
Moreover I thought i don't need to defend sinsanis more than that, because we already had a better target. I mean I told you I think he's town. there is not much about it. When I thought about him later more deeply, and reread your cases, I saw that you had nothing real against him. Poor logic and nothing else. Obviously i speak that out.
Now you can't turn that around and blame me for not coming forward with that earlier?! I somehow trusted the general consens and hadn't had time yesterday to go into detail. Now I see more clearly and not because sinsasis flipped.
You guys were policy lynching him because he wanted to policylynch.
That was really bad. Really. Don't argue about that. I am not stupid.
On May 30 2012 03:05 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 03:03 supersoft wrote:
My strongest townread is forumite and therefor i vote him for office. I think everyone should do the same. Result will be, that most likely townplayers are in this office and not some players you guys expect to win the game for you. Btw this office with no bodyguards is no office we want to vote the players in, who are in danger of getting shot tonight. As long as we're talking about super soft, I still haven't heard any response other than "wrong" explaining how this plan is not super scummy.
it's not "super scummy". You failed to explain what's so scummy about that. Your assumption that everyone votes anyone is just wrong. It won't happen. The votes will be on a few players, people can reasonable explain why they think that these particular players are town.
Regarding the lanchtarget I favored a "democratic" system independant from the mayorelection. In my eyes that would have been the most reasonable thing.
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dear vigs, would you please be so kind and shoot wiggles and MZ ?! I wish I had two bullets.
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please go read the thread and come back when you understand what's going on in the game
ty in advance for your cooperation
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You want them vigged because you think Zealos will get lynched tomorrow? Or do you want a third bullet.
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On May 30 2012 03:39 austinmcc wrote:
You want them vigged because you think Zealos will get lynched tomorrow? Or do you want a third bullet.
good post
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On May 30 2012 03:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I was around at the deadline, why do you think I wasn't? I don´t want a vig to shoot you, but supersoft is also one of my stronger townreads in this game, so please give him some slack.
The reason I wonder where you were is because SS and I tried to build a case on Zealos near the deadline, so that you´d lynch him instead of Sinensis. I asked you specifically who you were lynching, before I found out myself from your filter, and I didn´t hear an answer, so I assumed you were elsewhere. Why didn´t you consider our case?
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On May 30 2012 03:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
please go read the thread and come back when you understand what's going on in the game
ty in advance for your cooperation
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
i know exactly what you're doing. You're attacking my credibility because I pointed out your flaws.
Thanks for claiming scum to me.
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¿Kita what do you think of Zealos sir?
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