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ET pushed a Zealos lynch pretty hard on Day 2 when VE was on the chopping block. When I defended Zealos he came back with this post
On May 31 2012 13:49 EchelonTee wrote:No probulous, by god. Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. This is the crux of the case on Zealos. You replaced in, so maybe you don't have a frame, but this one post is why Zealos looks incredible scummy. You don't find scum by making an extended PBPA case; anyone, literally anyone can do that. You only need 1 post to find scum, and this is it. I'm sad to see that the spam continued. Do you know what is happening right now? It's the Avengers: we're all arguing with each other instead of consolidating. Stop the infighting, and kill Loki, aka VE. VE scum, Zealos scum. We lynch Zealos today, thats it. Stop spamming. We're not lynching kita.
Now sure he had VE as scum but he clearly wanted Zealos over VE which I don't get if he is mafia. Much easier to jump on the bigger wagon which just happens to be town. Plus he defends Kita who is town (presumably, grumble grumble  ). Surely it would be more beneficial for him (if he is scum) to make the lynch between VE and Kita and let the Zealos case die?
Outside of a major longterm bus, this needs some explaining in your case if you want my vote.
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On June 07 2012 09:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Tomorrow we should kill either ET or Wiggles.
Barring probulous nailing a scum I will be working tirelessly towards this goal.
What the balls. Don't kill me >.> I'm mfcking townie
Wiggles could die. I'm quite curious about night flips first.
Guess we shoulda gone with maju instead. Was my better hunch.
Toad mason whoever the fck you want. You got the judgment.
God speed probe.
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On June 07 2012 07:55 Probulous wrote:
Austin here is the situation.
Toad claimed mason, masoned MZ who confirmed receiving it and Toad has a green check against him. Besides that he has been open and clear about his reads. MZ claimed a hit which Kita says he stopped. Well if we can get some clarity around Kita, than that helps us with MZ. I understand your scepticism but you need to be realistic. The chances of scum taking that risk AND the night actions from others lining up perfectly is very very remote.
On June 07 2012 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:
no his case is not plausible as already pointed out by 4 different players. It makes no sense at all and is either mafia driven or paranoia driven. I'm leaning on paranoia like gonzaw in LI when he said every single vet in the game had to be mafia and noone else (LOL) but that's not exactly helping right now.
Look, here's the thing. Toad is a separate issue. He's either a mason or not, and his mason status isn't dependant on any of this. I mucked it up by talking about that in the same posts. So Toad isn't involved in this post, he's a separate deal.
This is purely, purely, a Kita/MZ thing.
MZ claims a shot N1. Kita claims medic, protected MZ N1. We can be absolutely sure that either both of these claims are true or neither claim is true. That's my whole deal right now. Either they're both town or both scum.
Here's the simple Occam's Razor version:
In favor of TRUE: - If false, mafia would have had to hold a KP N1
- Both MZ and Kita would have to live or die together on their claims (high risk)
- Kita's red check could have been the result of a frame
In favor of FALSE: - Everyone and their mother has found Kita scummy. So suspicious that almost nobody believed his claim right off the bat.
- Kita has a red check on him.
Neither side is entirely cut and dry. If you believe their claims, you inherently believe that Kita was framed N2 and that Kita has been playing scummy all game while being town. If you don't believe their claims, you inherently believe that they would set this up with 2 scum, they would hold a KP N1, and that MZ feels scummy/could be scum.
Kita might have been framed. Kita might not have been framed. The kicker for me is that Kita's play has felt scummy. And I'm not the only one to think that.
If you're passing off the Toad/MZ/Kita crap as conspiracy theory, fine. Don't look at that. Look at Kita. Look at MZ. Have people seriously looked over MZ's filter? Do things like+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 14:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
let's be clear. We're not lynching zealos. We're not lynching gambit. We're not lynching hyaach. We're not gonna lynch any of the other half assed "cases" people have done. We're gonna kill VE. On June 01 2012 03:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
No we're lynching VE today.
I already explained why VE isn't a vigi, I really don't feel like quoting myself but I guess that's necessary.
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I have yet to see some actual reasons to kill zealos other than people randomly throwing his name around. We are NOT getting sidetracked. People need to stop trying to divert this lynch. VE is dying today. On May 31 2012 15:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 15:50 Probulous wrote:
Wow the crazies are lining you up VE.
First Maju and now the speaking intestine himself. Seriously Manason, can you post something of substance that doesn't relate to your "movements". After the lynch I'm going to be holding an open forum which is going to be mandatory for all lurkers. We're going to talk about the proceeding day, their current suspicions, and how we should move forward from there. Failure to post during this meeting will result in an instant FoS. As for who is lurking I'll define that closer to the lynch so I get a better idea of who is lurking vs who is gonna get modkilled. [Promised pro-town action that never occurs on the third one]
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fuck this im not helping this town
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you guys are all stupid as fuck im sorry go die
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how the fuck is the bandwagon always shifting off kitaman?
fucking Pandain esque gameplay here
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kitaman27
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On June 07 2012 12:38 Kenpachi wrote:
fuck this im not helping this town
On June 07 2012 12:38 Kenpachi wrote:
you guys are all stupid as fuck im sorry go die
Give the Oscar to Kenpachi right now.
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kitaman27
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In fact, I've seen this before :p
On December 01 2011 13:47 Kenpachi wrote:
w/e you guys are all bad. i refuse to help such a hopeless town
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On June 07 2012 13:01 kitaman27 wrote:In fact, I've seen this before :p Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 13:47 Kenpachi wrote:
w/e you guys are all bad. i refuse to help such a hopeless town
Which game?
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kitaman27
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Alright Kenpachi, do you think MZ is scum?
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Conclusion made: Kenpachi is Kenpachi
So, no useful night discussion this time around? Some comments before I finally crash:
We will have to deal with this blue mess tomorrow. Probulous summed it up the possibilities well. Depending on how things go, we could be in a great position, or a mediocre one.
Maju needs to die; the WIFOM with kita will have to be dealt with first, but I still feel strong about my Maju read.
Despite the failure of the Manason flip, I don't feel completely averse to a Papanda lynch; I earlier ranked him as more scummy than Manason.
@Papapanda, ignoring the kita situation, who do you most want to be lynched? Why?
Wiggles is an enigma, and if he is town I wish he would just fracken show it more. He still looks like the most scummy vet.
Look at Hyaach. I have not liked his posts lately one bit.
I really should not get into a shtshow with MZ, but I keep on having this nagging feeling about him. Call it gut feeling? :p Hopefully blue actions can clear that up.
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On June 07 2012 09:19 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 09:15 Hyaach wrote:
A free lynch is only good if you get scum.
It could be 12 or 11 players tomorrow assuming there's only 2 KP from mafias left. 6-7 to lynch. You just need to convince 3 townies.
And if i may add, apart from Maju, Me, Hassy, Austin, Kenpenchi and [big]Papapanda(i've never look through his filter)[/bog].
The rest have the ability to post a good case.
picture speaks a thousand words
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bleh I feel like a stupid noob for lynching Manason over Maju. What I wrote earlier:Look at Maju's posts: who has he called out as suspicious? sTofu, and "zealos over gambit", which doesn't mean much these days as both are scum, and gambit was RBer.
Who does he make a case on? ....No one.
How many posts does he have? A decent amount. That's what I mean by "extremely low content to post ratio". He has almost no interest in scumhunting based on the amount of posts he has that aren't scumhunting.
Is still mostly true; all that has changed is a weak case on Hassybaby (green checked) and papapanda (one of the other massively suspected people).
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Die Kitaman27 die. Everyone should look through his filter. It does not look town
He questions a lot in the beginning but at the wrong targets about the wrong people. All turned out town
Push a VE lynch, questionable.
After VE flipped town, post to say his main target is Zealos? Why? to shrink responsbility from the VE flip and onto a mate whom you can bus?
All game his been trying to buddy up to MZ. Why? gain town cred from the toad-mz mason?
On June 02 2012 12:15 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 12:09 EchelonTee wrote:
Kita what you think of a g32 lynch? It seems like you're implying that wiggles case on him was bad Gambit isn't playing this game. At this point, I'd like him to do a "share my opinion on every player in the game" type post or something, so at least we have something to go by. I couldn't say he was scum or town with any confidence right now.
After Wiggles' case and opinion from town reads that Gambit was a good lynch, his still not sold on it. Not willing to sell his buddy out?
Post a case on wiggles after that to draw attention and discredit the case?
On June 04 2012 01:28 kitaman27 wrote:
Well this has been a pretty worthless day three.
I'll swap over to Gambit since the last thing we need is a RoL 2.0, but I'd still like to hear thoughts about Wiggles, Hassybaby, sToFu, and Kenpachi. It's going to be incredibly disappointing if gambit was a townie who decided to simply evade the modkill requirements without posting for three cycles.
Unfortunately, I have to head out in about a half an hour and may not be back until around seven. Don't mislynch me while I'm gone -_-
finally vote Gambit when it looked like a lost cause. To avoid being seen as a last minute sheep vote, he claims he does not want a RoL 2.0 ? Make him appear less suspicious for the last minute vote
His post later was about his breadcrumb and a general list of players where he took out the people with the most town read.
Stating a fluff that actually make him looks like his posting something but in fact, its not.
Most people would agree the the list he came up with meant nothing.
On June 06 2012 07:14 kitaman27 wrote:Eliminating myself, Toad, and Meapak we have a pool of 11 players where the remaining four scum players reside. I have also removed Prob and Hassy. While he has not been confirmed 100% as a detective and the alignment check on hassybaby may be masked by a godfather cover, I do not believe they should be considered for lynch today. Additionally, as an anti-scum lyncher has already flipped, I think it is extremely likely that an anti-town lyncher is still in play. That leaves 5 out of 9 anti-town players in the following pool: 6. Hyaach 7. marvellosity 10. austinmcc 12. MajuGarzett 18. papapanda 22. Mr. Wiggles 24. Manason 26. EchelonTee 30. Kenpachi I have read throug each player's filter and removed the players I have some degree of town read on. austinmcc has shown signs that he cares about town and has shown motivation to scum hunt, he has defended zealos in order to push a gambit lynch. It seems unlikely that a mafia player will defend a scumbuddy, while pushing another scumbuddy. Finally, his silly conspiracy theory about a toad, meapak, kita scum group seems town to me. marvellosity shows signs of frustration with inactivity and looks good after pushing the zealos lynch. In addition, he is the only player to have a back and forth conversation with zealos. His recent play has been less convincing, but I'm willing to put him off for later. 6. Hyaach 12. MajuGarzett 18. papapanda 22. Mr. Wiggles 24. Manason 26. EchelonTee 30. Kenpachi I'm strongly considering pusing Kenpachi for the following post: Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 11:03 Kenpachi wrote:
shall we roll the metagame die?
I firmly believe 2-3 of the mafia team is made of Mafia veterans namely Wiggles Kitaman and even myself. I personally believe Wiggles is mafia cause he should have known better than to lynch Sinensis for day 1. poor as hell of a choice honestly.
So you might be asking why am i doing this? simple: im fucking good at doing this. after i pulled this shit off months ago, i noticed a trend in a lack of balanced mafia teams but i was able to point out players such as BloodyC0bbler with this method. but i figure, why the hell not try this again since im pretty sure hosts started going back to their balancing ways.
Look at this list carefully. They can all be potent mafia or town players. likely 2 or 3 are mafia. Why? If i was a host, id sure be unhappy if my entire team was 6 grushes.
2. Blazinghand
7. marvellosity
14. Toadesstern
15. Supersoft
21. Wherebugsgo
22. Mr. Wiggles
26. EchelonTee
27. kitaman27
28. VisceraEyes
29. Meapak_Ziphh
30. Kenpachi
well thats it. i havent actually read anyone's post on this list lawl It seems pretty clear that the mafia team has a limited number of players with 20+ games experience based on the flips and identities of confirmed power roles. Pushing this sort of policy as a member of a mafia team of players such as gambit and zealos allow the vets to be at each others throats, while the quieter players sneak by. Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 10:30 Kenpachi wrote:
did i start the Zealos wagon? im gonna read his filter and give my thoughts. Furthermore, Kenpachi wants to remind us that he found zealous scummy, without actually pushing a zealos lynch. The last two cycles he has done nothing but taunt me about my lynch, with no consideration that I could be town. He is always a tough read, but he is not a player I want around for endgame. Wiggles I still feel is a good lynch. As I look through his posts, I really strugle to find town tells that show that he has the towns best interest in mind. Every single cycle he has taken a backseat role, only taken the time to comment about irrelevant information, lacking in true contribution. I would like to do a follow-up post to my previous analysis of wiggles, but this took too much time. Please everyone respond to this post. The day is nearly half way over and we have gone absolutely nowhere. Does nobody care about this game?
Look at his list, look at Ken's list. They both serve the same meaning. Fluff with nothing of interests to people who do their own reads. It's just there to make it seem they are doing something.
Then read his reasoning. Yes Gambit and Zealos has limited games but why would he draw attention away from the fact that that could still be veteran in the mafia team?
I also refuse to believe someone of Kitaman27's play is failing so hard at finding scum this game.
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On June 07 2012 19:48 EchelonTee wrote:bleh I feel like a stupid noob for lynching Manason over Maju. What I wrote earlier: Show nested quote +Look at Maju's posts: who has he called out as suspicious? sTofu, and "zealos over gambit", which doesn't mean much these days as both are scum, and gambit was RBer.
Who does he make a case on? ....No one.
How many posts does he have? A decent amount. That's what I mean by "extremely low content to post ratio". He has almost no interest in scumhunting based on the amount of posts he has that aren't scumhunting. Is still mostly true; all that has changed is a weak case on Hassybaby (green checked) and papapanda (one of the other massively suspected people).
Think of it this way - Manason's town flip just makes it even more likely that Maju/papa will flip scum.
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Kenpachi, you might have mentioned once or twice that you find Kita scummy, and it doesn't sound like you believe his claim.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2012 11:27 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 11:15 kitaman27 wrote:
With so few people willing to listen to anything I have to say, it seems unlikely that I will be argue myself out of a lynch today. Even if I am able, it will be a waste of discussion and I'd rather have a full day to go after actual scum targets than defend myself.
I am a Medic. I saved Meapak from a hit on night one. I have been on Toad night two and three. Don't waste time discussing whether or not my claim is real. If there is another medic who claims to have saved Meapak night one, then he can counter-claim me. Otherwise, I am confirmed town and we can end this lynch Kita nonsense. I'll make a post about my suspects later tonight. so fucked
Would you agree that Kita and MZ are the same alignment? If so, any chance you want to articulate your thoughts on MZ in more than a sentence or two?
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austin/Hyaach - if we put aside kita/MZ for a moment, do you have other scumreads?
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Before I go to bed, i was initially suspicious of Wiggles for his absence and just popping in at the right time jump on the ship that has just sailed off. But his case on Maju over Manason made me thought different. His town to me right now
Papapanda has no stance to take. He FoS me and phagg over Zealos to create a distraction. Granted we were all lurking but why us over Zealos when the attention on Zealos was heating up? And we know phagg and zealos flipped out to be.
his vig proofing plan is flawed. Why waste a block at night to confirm a vig? just shoot the scummiest person alived.
Then he soft-defending wiggles against SS.
VE's mess came up and he scream to vote wiggles
what Papa does 24 hour later after soft defending wiggles?
he spread a little shadow over wiggles but never voted for him but for VE?
Why? so he can backtrack if somehow VE crawled himself out of the mess and attention went on wiggles?
On June 01 2012 06:43 papapanda wrote:
Both you and I have read MZ's cases, as well as other posts, can we agree that his points are valid?
However as I was reading it, I was, using your term, on the fence for VE's lynch.
What I didn't like was how he responded to the pressure. He claimed vig, one the the toughest role to prove at this stage of the game. Ofcourse it's possible he is vig, and what ticked for me was what he said about if he was the mafia leader, the mafia would try more to save him...(can't find the post, but I'm pretty certain that I read it today). Wifom doesn't work as defenses...(learned that the hard way last game, marvellosity;p).
[b]Anyhow, my point is I find VE scummy and people trying to spread the vote are also worth looking at(hi kenpachi).
and yet he was trying to spread it just minutes ago.
Scum just goes with the flow and often does not have a train of thought.
After that it was bandwagons and more rope throwing so he could back track if need be.
[B]On June 06 2012 15:21 papapanda wrote:
-snipped-
Regarding current vote:
Consider my vote on kita right now. I like the plan to switch to votes mana if no other medic claim.
basically his fine with whoever as long as its not him.
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