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1.GF 2.RB 3.Janitor GF is there because it's powerful. RB and janitor are there because as soon as there are 2 rb claims or janitor is used you know the guy in that position is mafia. Also there is only 1 rb'er (besides jailer) so denying mafia rb makes claiming later much more powerful. Every guy after that picks what ever focusing on roles that are great for both sides or are extremely good for town first (kp/protection/investigation). | ||
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I have a new adition to the denial plan 4.pardoner He actually sends pardon through pms so we profit from knowing where it is. | ||
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@toad tell me how assigning cpr will help to keep it off mafia hands. GF is strong because it's imunity to checks + 1 free kill. But it's way stronger as mafia so that's why it's in the denial plan. Unlike cpr which is strong as both alignments. | ||
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On May 15 2012 01:54 Mattchew wrote: Ok.. so what if we assigned everyone to enter a number and also assigned them a role. It would create a pre-game accountability for people and we would have better shot of getting 10+ roles to town... theres something wrong with this plan that needs to be pointed out to me.. i just cant figure out what it is yet it's town favored if mafia doesn't know exactly where all important blues are. There is not enough protection roles around to make this work. And it's very good for SK too. So yeah it sucks for town. | ||
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So let me reiterate. GF screws up a lot of stuff and is assigned because it's powerful only as scum. RB/janitor/pardoner are powerful only as scum and give us a free scum if they are ever used. That's why they are assigned. CPR being assigned doesn't net us free scum, since we can't say who performed the kill and a townie cpr should be trying to kill scum with it anyway. | ||
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Also there is no need to confirm janitor as the usage of the role means the assigned spot is scum, if he dropped it or not. That's the same with RB and pardoner if we assign them, so that's why it's a good deal to do it. I never said townie CPR should be shooting every night, but he is an infinite vigi and at town hands it does tilt the balance towards it. There is a reason why a game is considered imba when town has more kp then scum, and that's because kp is the most powerful thing in the game. Bottom line is I don't think it's worth it to invest 2 roles in "denying cpr", specially since doing so doesn't acomplish what it is supposed to acomplish. The RB blocking cpr does a slightly better job if we want to do it, but that would require assigning cpr, confirming it and have it useless forever. | ||
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So the facts we got so far are the following: Risk claims he didn't try for janitor. I know you said you wouldn't, but can you explain why, since you posted that you thought that role was worth denying? Marvelocity claims he didn't go for janitor nor cpr. Again, why is that? Sentinel claims he tryed janitor and didn't get it, thus vanilla. A role or bulletbill check could work in his case, narrowing it down to marv or risk, or finding out he is mafia. | ||
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 @palmar based on what? I see no reason to do so as of now, specially on day 1. | ||
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Surely lynching sentinel would be the lesser evil in case we lynch town out of one of the 3, since he is either mafia or vanilla, but I think we can afford to have blues check into those guys (role cop checks marv / bulletbill checks sentinel) since it's day1 and we already have a dead scum. It also gives a chance for all the other blues to act. If we lynch right now it has 1/3 chance of it being great and 2/3 chance of sucking. I can't pin point who is mafia based on behavior amongst those 3 and have read nothing so far that tilts the balance onto one or the other, so I think no lynching is by far the best choice. | ||
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I'd like risk to claim before I decide whom to vote. | ||
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I like the zelblade thing, he has to confirm he didn't try for dayvig/mason/janitor/cpr then we know risk is not janitor. | ||
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deconduo mafia CPR Dead day 1 by dayvig mattchew risk.nuke Claimed Vigilante shot paqman marvellosity Claimed Mason -> partner is townie who tried for politician [UoN]Sentinel mafia JOAT Dead lynched day 1 Mattchew Dayvig shot deconduo zelblade Claimed VT tried for JOAT Bluelightz talismania Dead shot night1 Witch Misder PaqMan mafia vanilla shot by risk n1 (or lynched day2 =P) slOosh Toadesstern Claimed VT tried for mason Barundar Zephirdd hiro protagonist Palmar Claimed Pardoner Snarfs Qatol Jailer -> Jailed risk n1 modconfirmed sandroba VT tried for mason Probulous VT modkilled day1 | ||
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@Palmar How come you are pushing me for not devoting much time to this game while you are yourself doing the same? Let me play diablo in peace. | ||
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I also believe that marv should tell us who is his townie so we can narrow down the sk. There are plenty of claims already so claiming the rest is not going to hurt us that much. | ||
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On May 21 2012 06:17 sandroba wrote: I'm going to post this here since the OP doesn't look like it's getting updated soon. Known info and deaths: deconduo mafia CPR Dead day 1 by dayvig mattchew risk.nuke Claimed Vigilante shot paqman marvellosity Claimed Mason -> partner is townie who tried for politician [UoN]Sentinel mafia JOAT Dead lynched day 1 Mattchew Dayvig shot deconduo zelblade Claimed VT tried for JOAT Bluelightz Dead rolecop talismania Dead shot night1 Witch Misder Roleblocker PaqMan mafia vanilla shot by risk n1 (or lynched day2 =P) slOosh Toadesstern Claimed VT tried for mason Barundar Zephirdd Claimed VT tried for politician hiro protagonist Claimed that has a role can't be politicain Palmar Claimed Pardoner Snarfs VT tried for politician Qatol Jailer -> Jailed risk n1 modconfirmed sandroba VT tried for mason Probulous VT modkilled day1 | ||
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Tell me what you think of this plan: We no lynch today. Hiro protects Sloosh Barundar protects Qatol Misder does not role block into them Qatol does not protect into them Sloosh goes ahead and happily confirms more players (hiro first as he can be mafia, but not sk). If any of the four dies we get a confirmed anti town. There are 14 players alive, 2 anti town. If we mislynch the doctor we lose parity/jailer and we are probably looking at 9(1) 2 days from now, with most of the good roles dead. If we no lynch we might lose 2 people tonight if qatol doesn't pull of a save, but we confirm one more, or if the mafia/sk opts to out the other we lose one of sloosh/qatol/doctor, but never 2 of them. 2 days from now we will probably be 10(1). The only problem I see with this is if Hiro (or the last mafia) took GF at low position. Not sure how likely that is though. | ||
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risk.nuke Claimed Vigilante shot paqman marvellosity Claimed Mason -> partner is townie who tried for politician Mattchew Dayvig shot deconduo zelblade Claimed VT tried for JOAT Misder Roleblocker Toadesstern Claimed VT tried for mason Barundar most likely sk soon to be dead Zephirdd Claimed VT tried for politician Palmar Claimed Pardoner Snarfs VT tried for politician Qatol Jailer -> Jailed risk n1 modconfirmed sandroba VT tried for mason Okay so basically this is what we have right now. Out of the guys not in green misder is the most likely to be town in my opinion. Palmar can prove he is town and not GF by pardoning himself. That leaves Toad and Zeph. We will have most likely 10(1) at the next day. Let's count the palmar lynch and if he is not scum he doesn't die so > 9(1). Considering only 3 people can really be mafia it's pretty much gg. Not considering risk shooting into those guys if somehow he forgot to send in his shot or something. | ||
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And let me adress toad's bullshit sprouting one more time, you guys can ignore this shit if you want, but I feel like typing it: + Show Spoiler + You thought denial of CPR was a smart thing and I was being dumb not wanting to "deny" CPR. Guess what? Mafia still got CPR and would have most likely killed a fair bit of townies before being uncovered because we have no way of knowing where the kp is coming from early on. Arbitrary vigi save our asses, but the way he did it could have been a townie killed just for being CPR and mattchew knowing where the role is so there goes a good role to waste. So putting CPR on the top spot turns out to be a not so good idea for value after all? Could be a point of discussion, but it's not proven for a fact that "denying CPR" when it doesn't even accomplish that is a good plan. Now to the next thing. You thought I had an anti-town mindset by going for no lynch in that situation, while you wanted to lynch risk. I couldn't figure out at the time which one was mafia because no explanation made sense. Then I though more about it and came up with the marv explanation. I was the first one to ask for role claims to sort it out. Turns out I was wrong on marv, when he claimed mason, I ditched my case and went for the other only reasonable explanation I thought of at the time which was sentinel was traitor and voted him before I left home. Mean while you thought all 3 can be town when we have a PROVEN liar between them and no possible townie explanation to be lying. LOL. Who is the anti town here? Me that want to sort things out or you that rushes on to want to lynch #2 position of the draft with no thought whatsoever on the matter or trying to uncover things? Then again I did the most pro-town suggestion yesterday and you still ignore it. I suggested no lynch yet again to preserve 2 out of 3 from jailer/parity/doctor. Guess what people didn't feel like wasting time so we ended up with dead doctor and dead parity and still have to lynch the sk today. Yet you ignore everything that is happening, pulls a number out of your ass "sandroba has 50-80% of fipping mafia". Good statistics bro, where the fuck does it come from? My conclusion is death to scum Toadestern. | ||
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Zelblade mafia - Went for vigilante or dayvigi, didn't get it and said things in thread about janitor. This may have happened, but if it did surely it was a pretty bad mistake that got sentinel killed, but it's not like mistakes didn't happen a lot in this game. Looking at the mafia picks it's possible that they went for a mass kp strat and tried to get cpr/joat/vigi/dayvigi. Zelblade got pissed off he didn't get vigi and complained in the thread about shenanigans on the janitor role since he knew only a few townies could have gone for it. Also assuming paqman had gone for dayvigi/vig and sent, zelblade could pretty much conclude the townies didn't go for janitor. @zelblade How did you conclude shenanigans had been going on with the janitor role when you didn't get JOAT? Looking through his filter i found some gems of soft defending mafia: On May 17 2012 20:28 zelblade wrote: Qatol's case on Paqman is interesting. To be honest - I think that paqman's reasonings for his posting are actually pretty decent. I can understand what he means by not being able to contribute much due to fact that plans were discussed during his absense - this is actually similar for me - I was in school for most of the draft phase, and by the time I got back there wasnt much to do other than give opinions on the plan. On May 19 2012 01:20 zelblade wrote: So Toad if that is what you think why is your vote on sentinel? Theres several hours left, use it to convince people (well or try to) to actually vote for who you think is scum? It's also weird that he didn't change his vote to sentinel when risk claimed he didn't pick JOAT, since if risk was mafia he could have said he picked JOAT and still get sentinel lynched. Thus, from zelblade's perspective sentinel was the most logical vote. Mind you that the votes were really close. Misder Mafia - Picked Roleblocker and claimed it. Possible. I looked at his filter and it actually looks really good. Can't really see it happening. If you are mafia grats, you played well and I simply can't point to anything that says you are mafia and several that points you are town. Risk and Matt - LOL. Okay if these guys are mafia, something is really wrong with their heads. marv - Now this gets interesting. It is possible that he is mafia, denying me the mason role which I had claimed I planned to take, not taking the useless (if claimed) janitor role and getting himself to look really good. But looking at his filter I can't really see it happening, I see several behavior clues that points to him being town. Also mason had to pick which type of mason day 1, and stronger play for mafia would be to take one scum buddy as his partner. So the conclusion I arrived at is that zelblade is mafia. Everybody should be voting for him and I'm sorry I claimed he is unlikely mafia before due to not reading enough and not assigning enough time to this game due to D3. If you guys want to lynch me that's okay as long as you lynch zelblade tomorrow. Also just so you know if I was mafia this game I would totally have forfeited after the sk was killed, since I hate being mafia, the position was pretty much unwinnable for me since some people already wanted to lynch me (and I suck at being mafia) and I want to focus on D3. | ||
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