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On May 17 2012 12:47 Mattchew wrote:
Hey paqman, do you find qatol's case against you scummy like you did mine in area LIII? Or do you think he's just an off track townie?
His strongest arguments is that I'm not contributing and that I'm asking questions but now that I've made my response his case doesn't look strong. I think it looks like he's trying to push a lynch on a weak townie. In fact, probably the biggest effort he put into that case was bringing up my two posts from LIII.
What bothers me the most about Qatol is that he's easily become the town leader without any opposition or challenge whatsoever. I don't like it at all and I'm going to step up to that. He definitely warrants an FoS but I wouldn't nail him as scum just yet.
On Mattchew:
Seeing that decondou was on my list of the Big 3 (dec, Sandroba, Qatol), I approve of Matt's shooting. I would say more but I am extremely tired and really need to sleep.
I don't think scum would be ballsy enough to pull that kind of move, so there's a higher chance of him being SK.
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a little explanation on what i meant by Big 3: the 3 people I feel that have the most experience and influence.
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okay last post i promise. Just to let you all know ahead of time I'm going to be busy this coming weekend. I have a volleyball tournament and then a grad party. I'll still be able to read up on the thread and post and all that.
Goodnight!
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Just got back home from practice. Will catch up on the thread after dinner!
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On May 18 2012 09:38 Misder wrote:
I think there is definitely mafia in between risk.nuke, marvellosity, and sentinel. I don't see how there is any benefit to town lying about having the Janitor role at all. I also think we should deal with the Janitor role first.
Qatol: If you thought that Janitor is a really strong role for mafia that it warranted a denial, why is lynching Paqman more ideal?
Paqman: Who do you think is Janitor?
Sentinel: Why are you not voting risk.nuke?
The most probable thing that could have happened is that Janitor floated off into the void. This is assuming that Sentinel lied and is not a VT, which is most likely what happened.
It's typical to lynch liars but i think this situation is different. He was basically forced to choose Janitor because of a townie (risk) not being compliant with the plan agreed upon by everyone. If I was in sent's spot I would have lied about choosing Janitor and picked the role I wanted.
What is starting to bug me now that I'm thinking about it is, why would he continue lying? I would have said I am picking Janitor, to discourage anyone else from choosing it. And as soon as the role picking phrase is over I'd tell everyone that I really didn't pick Janitor.
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I wanted to quickly call out risk.nuke and I figured this + Show Spoiler +On May 18 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not the janitor. And if the town is a mess it's not my fault. Protip: stop complaining about it and take some action.
Take the FoS off Qatol and replace it with Sent and Risk. I haven't read into Marv yet but as of now I'd like to keep the lynch candidates between those two. But this time I feel risk is a lot scummier than sent.
Of course I'm going to look more into them and try to write up some cases tonight.
I would address Qatol's case but I feel I'd be repeating myself. So I'll just make this little response.
Believe it or not but I was busy with RL (Sorry GM) so I didn't have much time. I missed most discussion on plans and the only significant post I've made since Game has started is my defense against Qatol.
In My Opinion his strongest argument against me was that I was asking questions on the role plans. Which I've responded too.
As for town meta, I don't think that's fair evidence to go by. LIII is completely different to PYP. You have two days to discuss numbers, discuss roles, and discuss plans.
I've never played a PYP before and that part of the game doesn't appeal much to me. I'm so used to just being handed a role and told "go!".
That's the best way I can explain it to you and if you can't understand and you still think I'm scum because of that, there's nothing else I can do about it.
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On May 18 2012 12:46 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok if someone can figure out why 2 of those 3 can not be mafia tell me and we lynch the third guy.
If you are not able to do that we will not randomly lynch into one of the three. It's as simple as that.
A random lynch into one of three is about as bad as a policy lynch. A policy lynch is 1/4 chance to hit mafia / SK...
might as well lynch me instead, or Qatol, or whoever else.
Noone wants that to happen, yet people consider lynching into risk / marv / sent. With this (possibly) KP stacked setup it's even worse. We have 14 townies alive and AT LEAST 2 KP every night. more likely something like 2,5 every night (depending on wether or not mafia has the CPR) + something like 1 or 2 KP extra.
That's a shitload of dead townies and we can't policy lynch in that situation.
Unless someone can figure this mess out none of these three should be a topic and none of these three should be lynched.
That idea is also as bad as a policy lynch. You're telling us to waste time coming up with reasons why two other people ARE NOT scum, instead of actual scum hunting. I don't see where you're coming from. I think there is a very good chance one of them three are scum and I'm going to push it. You're basically telling us that unless that person is guaranteed scum, we shouldn't lynch him. Which is impossible to do on D1.
On May 18 2012 12:11 Toadesstern wrote:
We lynch mafia and a 1/3 chance to lynch mafia is not lynching mafia...
1/3 is a really high chance of hitting scum considering the fact that there are 14 other townies here.
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risk has been purposely playing anti-town since the beginning of D1 by acting against the roleplan that everyone agreed on and going rogue.
marv as well did not follow through with the plan and chose a different role instead.
I see no reason why Sentinel, as scum, would lie and claim VT. As said numerous times before me, that's an idiot move and he'd basically be digging his own grave. Especially since he was given the option of not having to pick Janitor. He could have easily said no.
##Vote: risk.nuke
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ebwop: plus his general anti-town attitude.
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On May 19 2012 02:01 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 01:20 zelblade wrote:
So Toad if that is what you think why is your vote on sentinel? Theres several hours left, use it to convince people (well or try to) to actually vote for who you think is scum?
Also Palmar please dont use the pardoner power especially today. Whilst it possible the situation gets handled at night I dont want the flips to get covered assuming that janitor is in the game, and if all 3 are left alive the same shit will happen tomorrow. I tried to do that yesterday and Sandro ended up putting me on his ignore list agreeing with me and voting for senti as well while saying "we probably should no-lynch thought" hinthint: it's the same sandro that says stuff like Show nested quote +[23.04.2012 19:19:06] Sandro Maculan: hmm yeah it might be
[23.04.2012 19:19:14] Sandro Maculan: it's non optimal though
[23.04.2012 19:19:27] Sandro Maculan: i really like to optimize stuff
[23.04.2012 19:19:31] Sandro Maculan: specially day'
[23.04.2012 19:19:33] Sandro Maculan: 1 But yeah, whatever, lynching a modconfirmed townie obviously is optimal play d1 and if that's not possible one should nolynch instead. Very much optimal play in my book as well.
woah maybe I missed something but what do you mean by "modconfirmed townie" ?
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On May 19 2012 07:51 marvellosity wrote:
you did miss something, read his filter
yeah I just saw it. I was still reading the thread when I posted.
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On May 19 2012 03:04 marvellosity wrote:Alright I've talked it over. I am mason and I chose the random townie option. This is not a breadcrumb but this was me taking a stab at what I believed zelblade had chosen given he said he was VT. If the thread thinks it is correct I will tell you who I got, for the mo I'm gonna exercise and have dinner.
I believe the mason claim. I don't think marv should reveal who he's masoned with just yet, it'll give scum an easy N1 kill.
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On May 19 2012 08:53 risk.nuke wrote:
Btw did anyone try to pick Framer and didn't get it?
And lol at PaqMan voting and then confessing you're not done reading the thread. I'mnot a proffesor but this man seems to have an agenda. Voting first, finding reasons after.
And double lol at Palmar confirming beeing the SK. Roleblock and vig him tonight.
I already stated the reasons why I think your scummier than sent before I voted.
I'll make it clearer for you:
-Before the draft order was revealed but after everyone knew their alignments, everybody agreed to the roleplans that were pushed forth and no one disagreed with them. As soon as the draft was revealed and you saw you were #2 you wanted to act selfish and anti-town by disobeying the entire plan.
-You proceed to worsen the situation even more with this:+ Show Spoiler +On May 18 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not the janitor. And if the town is a mess it's not my fault. Protip: stop complaining about it and take some action.
out of the 3, risk is the scummiest.
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So you're proposing that we don't lynch you, lynch sentinel instead, and let you shoot marv?...
That requires me trusting that you're town, which I don't.
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Risk is going to shoot at marv tonight, plus the scum kill, plus the SK kill, plus the CPR doc if the copycat chooses to use it. We're going to have at most 4 dead townies by the end of N1.
I think the best course of action would be to roleblock (not jail) risk and, if the CPR is a townie, vigi him.
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Jesus Christ there's so many liars.
zelblade picked JOAT and didn't get it. R, M,or S must be JOAT.
If S isn't lying, R or M is lying
M picked mason. R picked vigi.
It'd clear M if his mason claimed but I don't want to give scum a free townie.
The JOAT is between risk and sent.
Toad you were wrong about lynching into risk/sent/marv.
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On May 19 2012 12:02 Misder wrote:
This also means that Janitor is not in those three hands, and that if there is a Janitor, then it's in scum's hand in a lower draft position.
I think it's much more possible that nobody grabbed Janitor and that role is out of play.
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@Qatol yeah that's true. I still think Sent is townie, lying or not. At least townier than risk. I don't see sent as scum putting himself into this position. If he was scum he'd play it safer than that. Especially since he had a choice and no one was forcing him to choose janitor.
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On May 19 2012 12:31 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 12:28 risk.nuke wrote:
Insomnia and can't sleep. Qatol and Misder. Reading your conversation is... well the level of is it like watching two kids counting cones in the woods and one of the kids says wait this cone is actually two cones stuck together and the other bursts out in amazement. Oh, nice catch! You're discussing completely obvious things for even people who just glance at the thread. Yes, but 7 people haven't read the thread yet or just don't get it. For example, PaqMan recently posted in the thread after the claims and yet hasn't concluded what Qatol and I have concluded in the thread yet.
And what is that? That you two think sent is scum? I'm not going to sheep my vote, I trust my read over two people who I'm not even sure are town.
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well damn, I did not see that coming.
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