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On April 30 2012 23:30 syllogism wrote: Because he seems townie enough and the alternative is basically random chance or worse. We aren't going to be able to democratically determine who should be in the minority and who shouldn't in 24 hours, especially on day 1. | ||
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On May 01 2012 03:38 syllogism wrote: Hello ace are you going to do anything useful at all this game? no | ||
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The game doesn't support any one person being in control. The round A votes are hidden, the round B votes can be distributed however a player wishes. That's it. Plan finished. Good bye. | ||
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Lettuce not forget tho: This pariah of pain didn't mention this to the general public but PM'd it to 5 players he has a "Town Read" on a mere 11 pages into the game. MINORITY REPORT! | ||
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On May 01 2012 05:53 Motbob is great wrote: We're basically shooting shit right now because of you Palmar. First off, by just announcing to the thread which people you're pardoning, you're basically begging to have people jump ship and climb on the minority if they weren't on your magic list. Secondly... actually I really don't have much to say, your plan is just blatantly bad. Please read my posts and don't go with Palmar's plan. Flip a coin if you have to but don't do what Palmar is saying. It's like they haven't read the OP and don't realize that banding together is a worst-case strategy. Trying to form a block of Townies to pick out the remaining Scum is just dumb in this setup. Independence though? Awesome. What you are looking for in this game is a block of people that share votes and appear on the same wagon (Round A's question) more than once. With 3 Scum per team they can never ALL vote the same way for fear of ending up in the majority and having their votes tracked since they need to save each other. Hence a decent team will come to the conclusion of always voting 2 in favor of Yes/No and the lone vote out taking the opposite side. Then it's just a matter of figuring out if the Scum team have 2 players or 1 player in the Majority pool for Round B by seeing where they apply their "saving" votes. This game is simple. You people just aren't smart enough to grasp it. | ||
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On May 01 2012 05:57 Motbob is great wrote: Please just get off your high horse for one second and listen. So what happens, a mafia says fuck this and jumps ship today. We have his name, we know he's scum. Now what? You can't create your own majority Palmar. There are too many loose ends, you can't guarantee that someone ends up in the majority. By simply ordering people around you've made it possible for mafia to manipulate your little system EVERY DAY. You'll have to rely on a vigi, and any plan that relies on blues is dumb. This guy right here is making a fuckton of sense. To summarize what he said (and adding my own twist on it) since I know most of you don't read: By attempting to create a majority you are fucking yourselves over. You give the mafia an easy option of just ending up in the minority without even needing to manipulate you with effort. Hence the only people Palmar will end up controlling the lynch for is: his own wagon of friends. | ||
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On May 01 2012 06:06 chaoser wrote: lol...palmar's reads are basically, anyone who agrees whole heartly with that I'm saying is town. People who oppose it are mafia. chill dawg, remember him and Scumfield said that Palmar has an obscenely good Town radar. Game probably over by page 13 if we're lucky. | ||
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I can't even see what you quoted. Looks like invisible writing. *shrug* | ||
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On May 01 2012 06:12 gonzaw wrote: You can do it the other way round: Have each player vote for 3-5 players that they think should be in the majority. Once the virtual deadline hits, all votes are counted, and those that received LESS votes are put in the minority. That way scum won't actively be able to determine who gets in it or not. Lettuce ask a very zimple question hear: How do you put people in the minority? | ||
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Original Message From VisceraEyes: Just trying to get ANY of your reads. You talk about finding scum, but you're not very forthcoming with your reads...only answering specific questions I ask Not giving scum reads but answering specific questions asked of him = Scum. Very frightening indeed. | ||
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He says he doesn't want to share his reads with you because he gets some scummy vibes from you even though he answered all the questions you asked him. So you do a 180 and now feel he must be Scum. Even though he answered whatever you asked him. So it's not that you didn't like the answers to the questions you asked, but you don't like that he stopped cooperating with you even though he stated he got some Scum vibes from you. K. | ||
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On May 01 2012 06:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Look, I'm not getting into a pissing contest with either of you guys. I have a read. You think it's dumb. THANKS! LET'S MOVE ON BRO! I've been drinking beer all day. Let's do this. | ||
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*salutes* | ||
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On May 01 2012 07:56 prplhz wrote: Ace is doing his usual and very useless "you can't have any reads on day1" thing. Then he's like "I'm just going to be an asshole no matter what you do" which is equally useless. All Ace can do day1 is yell at other people for having bad reads. Deal with it. | ||
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On May 01 2012 08:05 Radfield wrote: It depends, is everyone pissing at each other, or is everyone co-operating? If everyone is pissing at each other, then you're right, we cannot. But if everyone is co-operating, then it's remarkably easy to put people in the minority. I accept that there will always be dissenters, but lets assume most of town is on board. And what are we really talking about being on board with? Well, we're talking about being on board with several premises: A) Having a smaller number players in the majority is more advantageous than having a larger number. This should be self-evident, but the smaller the majority, the better chance town has of keeping townies alive and lynching mafia. Foolishless laid it out quite well earlier. B) Having the players we think are most likely to be town in the minority is beneficial to town. Lets even fast forward a few days and imagine we have found ourselves a few confirmed townies. Obviously it is advantageous for town to keep those players in the minority. If we agree to those two premises, then we can all co-operate and make it happen. We take 5 or 6 players and agree to put them on the minority list. Everyone else agrees to go on the majority list. Why does everyone else agree? Because they realize that if they don't, then scum gain an incredible amount of power to do what they want. The reason scum gain this power, is because they have an information advantage, and can generally lean to get whomever is scummiest on their team into the minority, and the other 2 into the majority. In the event they fail it's still a win for them, since they have 2 players in the minority and only 1 in the majority. This is what we as town need to seek to prevent. What if you feel you yourself should be on the minority list? Doesn't matter. If you think you're townie enough to be on the minority list, you have nothing to fear from the votes. What if you feel someone SHOULDN'T be on the minority list, but is? Great! Lets talk about it, lay out your reasons. If they continue to be scummy and people agree with you we can swing them on over. What if Mafia decide to not follow the plan and jump to the minority list? Great! Every player who jumps ship immediately spotlights themselves. That is fantastic for town. If enough scum jump ship all at once, we get a flip flop on the M/M, and lynch into the jumpers. Again that's fantastic. Anytime scum want to come out and yell " I'M SCUM!", we should let them. Any other questions that I've missed? This doesn't even make sense. | ||
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Sounds awesome. Where do I sign up? | ||
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On May 01 2012 08:19 gonzaw wrote: No, I said that the method for creating this pool should be done by the whole town with the Voting system I specified. Can you at least read my posts? Also, I want you guys opinion on chaoser and Cephiro, we need to find scum too, not just talk about plans. I haven't even read my role PM, what makes you think I'm gonna give your posts any attention? | ||
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On May 01 2012 08:31 Radfield wrote: Lets imagine all town followed a plan of putting the most pro-town players on the minority, and everyone else on the majority. Where does that plan go wrong? The most Pro-Town players aren't the Confirmed Town players. That is a dumb idea. | ||
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On May 01 2012 08:39 Cephiro wrote: You think you found 2 scum, well good for you. Now come up with enough evidence so that the town believes you, and then we'll see if we can get them killed? You gonna let him just talk to you like that? If it was me there is no way that would happen. Stand up for yourself. | ||
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On May 01 2012 09:24 chaoser wrote: here, let me ask a question to you radfield. What's the difference between people in the minority and the majority? Minority can't die right? Why would you take away a threat to a player like that? It makes no sense. If you have a system in place to make it so that round 2 proceeds in an orderly manner then everything works out perfectly. I sent this to WBG already but I'll post it here as well. for round two, it's based on whoever has the lowest points will be lynched right? so I was thinking of basing it on a gradient system. Most scummy, no points. We then have the rest pass points in a system following the player order. so lets say it's like 5 people in the majority and 1 person in the minority. that's 25 points. lets say we think a is mafia. so the players are a, b, c, d, e, f we think f is townie so he's in minority cause we need one. we move onto round 2. b gives all his points to c, c gives all his points to d, d gives to e, e gives to b. If we all circle then a will have zero points. even if mafia was trying to save a, the two teams members would have to give 6 points total to save him. Because of the circle system, there's no way a can make back the deficient with his 5 points for both his teammates; one of his teammates will be adjacent to someone without 5 votes. That person is also mafia then. f will be giving his votes, spread as evenly as possible, into the crowd of b, c, d, e. If things look wrong then f is suspicious. WBG suggested to me that we do it so that everyone only cycles 4 votes and they give their one vote to whomever they want so that accountability would be an element and I agree. There's no way a would be able to get out of this situation unless his teammates out themselves. pro shit. I would have come up with this an hour from now so I'll just take credit for this. | ||
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Who the hell wants to be a possible lynch candidate? | ||
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If all the Townies do as you say and jump into the MAJORITY who does that leave to go into the Minority? Scum. Which means the only pool that people can be lynched from would be full of Town players. Lol wow this is easy. | ||
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bugs, chaoser just tell me where to place my votes. | ||
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Guess we know who's dying soon. | ||
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On May 02 2012 03:01 Palmar wrote: I'm fine with killing you today, and I have the influence to get it done. bwahahahahahaha what a croc of shit. | ||
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I don't have an attitude - I just dont care. bwahahahahahahahahaha | ||
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On May 02 2012 10:35 VisceraEyes wrote: These are my top two scum reads. I've succinctly provided reasoning for each, by unpopular demand. WBG: Bugs is trolling town hard. He's been hardline against VE moreso than anyone in the thread…but why? Like, because I thought he was scum based on one of our interactions? Because I haven't been as active as he'd like? His case is basically just a recap of my play, shrouded in subtle jabs discrediting my play in this game and has basically just stopped responding to me entirely. Going after Ceph so hard for the simple act of announcing his intent to spend 2 of his votes on me was the icing on the cake for me. He's not interested in lynching scum, he's interested in lynching ME. He doesn't give a fuck about my alignment. He's just qualifying his attitude by repeatedly calling me scum. If I'm mistaken about Bugs, I blame myself for having too high of expectations where this guy is concerned. [b]Ace[b]: Where do I begin with Ace? I've played in two games with Ace when he was town, and in both he's given town at least SOME semblance of rational thought during the course of the day. I don't know if he's turning on the bullshit-burger specifically because everyone in this game is supposed to be "good" at the game, but I've seen no such evidence that he COULD be town in this game. Not one. This alone doesn't make him scum, but one thing alone never does. But this is all I've been provided. If I'm mistaken about Ace, I blame him not me. 5/5 would read again. | ||
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Too ez. | ||
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People are still alive in this game? What's taking so long to kill everyone? | ||
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why? are you my scum buddy? | ||
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On May 03 2012 05:45 Foolishness wrote: Ace Palmar Foolishnesss Syllogism Bloodyc0bbler wherebugsgo Katina Gonzaw There are at least 2 mafia in that list. I have a lot of town reads of people in that list and sadly you are one of the leftovers. I could post the playerlist of the game and come to the same conclusion. Bullshit post with no reasoning on to how you got this. Scum. | ||
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Oh heavens what a genius move! bravo Ace! bravo! | ||
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On May 03 2012 09:53 EchelonTee wrote: Honestly, everyone should've explained their votes at least tertiarily. Imagine a standard Mafia game HORSESHIT TO FOLLOW I stopped reading there. This isn't a standard mafia game. You lose sir. | ||
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On May 03 2012 10:47 wherebugsgo wrote: Ace, mind explaining why you called wiggles scum but not Cephiro? Actually, I do mind. | ||
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