Liar Game Mini Mafia

On April 30 2012 23:30 syllogism wrote:

Because he seems townie enough and the alternative is basically random chance or worse. We aren't going to be able to democratically determine who should be in the minority and who shouldn't in 24 hours, especially on day 1.

On May 01 2012 03:38 syllogism wrote:

Hello ace are you going to do anything useful at all this game?

On May 01 2012 05:53 Motbob is great wrote:

We're basically shooting shit right now because of you Palmar.

First off, by just announcing to the thread which people you're pardoning, you're basically begging to have people jump ship and climb on the minority if they weren't on your magic list.

Secondly... actually I really don't have much to say, your plan is just blatantly bad.

Please read my posts and don't go with Palmar's plan. Flip a coin if you have to but don't do what Palmar is saying.

On May 01 2012 05:57 Motbob is great wrote:

Please just get off your high horse for one second and listen.

So what happens, a mafia says fuck this and jumps ship today. We have his name, we know he's scum. Now what? You can't create your own majority Palmar. There are too many loose ends, you can't guarantee that someone ends up in the majority. By simply ordering people around you've made it possible for mafia to manipulate your little system EVERY DAY. You'll have to rely on a vigi, and any plan that relies on blues is dumb.

On May 01 2012 06:06 chaoser wrote:
lol...palmar's reads are basically, anyone who agrees whole heartly with that I'm saying is town. People who oppose it are mafia.

On May 01 2012 06:10 chaoser wrote:


can't tell if being sarcastic or...

On May 01 2012 06:12 gonzaw wrote:


You can do it the other way round:

Have each player vote for 3-5 players that they think should be in the majority. Once the virtual deadline hits, all votes are counted, and those that received LESS votes are put in the minority.
That way scum won't actively be able to determine who gets in it or not.

Original Message From VisceraEyes:
Just trying to get ANY of your reads. You talk about finding scum, but you're not very forthcoming with your reads...only answering specific questions I ask

On May 01 2012 06:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, I'm not getting into a pissing contest with either of you guys. I have a read. You think it's dumb. THANKS! LET'S MOVE ON BRO!

On May 01 2012 07:56 prplhz wrote:

Ace is doing his usual and very useless "you can't have any reads on day1" thing. Then he's like "I'm just going to be an asshole no matter what you do" which is equally useless. All Ace can do day1 is yell at other people for having bad reads.

On May 01 2012 08:05 Radfield wrote:


It depends, is everyone pissing at each other, or is everyone co-operating? If everyone is pissing at each other, then you're right, we cannot.

But if everyone is co-operating, then it's remarkably easy to put people in the minority. I accept that there will always be dissenters, but lets assume most of town is on board. And what are we really talking about being on board with? Well, we're talking about being on board with several premises:

A) Having a smaller number players in the majority is more advantageous than having a larger number. This should be self-evident, but the smaller the majority, the better chance town has of keeping townies alive and lynching mafia. Foolishless laid it out quite well earlier.

B) Having the players we think are most likely to be town in the minority is beneficial to town. Lets even fast forward a few days and imagine we have found ourselves a few confirmed townies. Obviously it is advantageous for town to keep those players in the minority.

If we agree to those two premises, then we can all co-operate and make it happen. We take 5 or 6 players and agree to put them on the minority list. Everyone else agrees to go on the majority list. Why does everyone else agree? Because they realize that if they don't, then scum gain an incredible amount of power to do what they want.

The reason scum gain this power, is because they have an information advantage, and can generally lean to get whomever is scummiest on their team into the minority, and the other 2 into the majority. In the event they fail it's still a win for them, since they have 2 players in the minority and only 1 in the majority. This is what we as town need to seek to prevent.

What if you feel you yourself should be on the minority list? Doesn't matter. If you think you're townie enough to be on the minority list, you have nothing to fear from the votes.

What if you feel someone SHOULDN'T be on the minority list, but is? Great! Lets talk about it, lay out your reasons. If they continue to be scummy and people agree with you we can swing them on over.

What if Mafia decide to not follow the plan and jump to the minority list? Great! Every player who jumps ship immediately spotlights themselves. That is fantastic for town. If enough scum jump ship all at once, we get a flip flop on the M/M, and lynch into the jumpers. Again that's fantastic. Anytime scum want to come out and yell " I'M SCUM!", we should let them.

Any other questions that I've missed?

On May 01 2012 08:19 gonzaw wrote:


No, I said that the method for creating this pool should be done by the whole town with the Voting system I specified. Can you at least read my posts?

Also, I want you guys opinion on chaoser and Cephiro, we need to find scum too, not just talk about plans.

On May 01 2012 08:31 Radfield wrote:


Lets imagine all town followed a plan of putting the most pro-town players on the minority, and everyone else on the majority. Where does that plan go wrong?

On May 01 2012 08:39 Cephiro wrote:

You think you found 2 scum, well good for you. Now come up with enough evidence so that the town believes you, and then we'll see if we can get them killed?

On May 01 2012 09:24 chaoser wrote:
here, let me ask a question to you radfield. What's the difference between people in the minority and the majority? Minority can't die right? Why would you take away a threat to a player like that? It makes no sense.

If you have a system in place to make it so that round 2 proceeds in an orderly manner then everything works out perfectly. I sent this to WBG already but I'll post it here as well.

for round two, it's based on whoever has the lowest points will be lynched right? so I was thinking of basing it on a gradient system. Most scummy, no points. We then have the rest pass points in a system following the player order.

so lets say it's like 5 people in the majority and 1 person in the minority. that's 25 points. lets say we think a is mafia. so the players are a, b, c, d, e, f

we think f is townie so he's in minority cause we need one. we move onto round 2.

b gives all his points to c, c gives all his points to d, d gives to e, e gives to b. If we all circle then a will have zero points. even if mafia was trying to save a, the two teams members would have to give 6 points total to save him. Because of the circle system, there's no way a can make back the deficient with his 5 points for both his teammates; one of his teammates will be adjacent to someone without 5 votes. That person is also mafia then.

f will be giving his votes, spread as evenly as possible, into the crowd of b, c, d, e. If things look wrong then f is suspicious.

WBG suggested to me that we do it so that everyone only cycles 4 votes and they give their one vote to whomever they want so that accountability would be an element and I agree. There's no way a would be able to get out of this situation unless his teammates out themselves.

On May 02 2012 03:01 Palmar wrote:

I'm fine with killing you today, and I have the influence to get it done.

On May 02 2012 10:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
These are my top two scum reads. I've succinctly provided reasoning for each, by unpopular demand.

WBG:

Bugs is trolling town hard. He's been hardline against VE moreso than anyone in the thread…but why? Like, because I thought he was scum based on one of our interactions? Because I haven't been as active as he'd like? His case is basically just a recap of my play, shrouded in subtle jabs discrediting my play in this game and has basically just stopped responding to me entirely. Going after Ceph so hard for the simple act of announcing his intent to spend 2 of his votes on me was the icing on the cake for me. He's not interested in lynching scum, he's interested in lynching ME. He doesn't give a fuck about my alignment. He's just qualifying his attitude by repeatedly calling me scum. If I'm mistaken about Bugs, I blame myself for having too high of expectations where this guy is concerned.

[b]Ace[b]:

Where do I begin with Ace? I've played in two games with Ace when he was town, and in both he's given town at least SOME semblance of rational thought during the course of the day. I don't know if he's turning on the bullshit-burger specifically because everyone in this game is supposed to be "good" at the game, but I've seen no such evidence that he COULD be town in this game. Not one. This alone doesn't make him scum, but one thing alone never does. But this is all I've been provided. If I'm mistaken about Ace, I blame him not me.

On May 03 2012 04:22 Foolishness wrote:

You check your role PM yet?

On May 03 2012 05:45 Foolishness wrote:
Ace
Palmar
Foolishnesss
Syllogism
Bloodyc0bbler
wherebugsgo
Katina
Gonzaw

There are at least 2 mafia in that list. I have a lot of town reads of people in that list and sadly you are one of the leftovers.

On May 03 2012 09:53 EchelonTee wrote:

Honestly, everyone should've explained their votes at least tertiarily. Imagine a standard Mafia game

HORSESHIT TO FOLLOW

On May 03 2012 10:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
Ace, mind explaining why you called wiggles scum but not Cephiro?