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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 02:48 GMT
#70
who's that scrub listed at spot 12
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 03:10 GMT
#76
I won't even read my role PM and still win this game
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 03:33 GMT
#80
2 Mafia factions? This will be easy
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 18:37 GMT
#176
On April 30 2012 23:30 syllogism wrote:
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On April 30 2012 23:26 chaoser wrote:
On April 30 2012 23:13 syllogism wrote:
I can't say I'm even slightly surprised to see you on the wrong side of a decent plan.

This is off-topic, but perhaps you should stop joining games that have non-standard setups if you have no interest in actually figuring out the setup and utilizing it in the way that best benefits the town. That's the whole point.


How is it a decent plan again??? The plan is literally "let palmar control round one"

Because he seems townie enough and the alternative is basically random chance or worse. We aren't going to be able to democratically determine who should be in the minority and who shouldn't in 24 hours, especially on day 1.


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Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 18:45 GMT
#180
On May 01 2012 03:38 syllogism wrote:
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On May 01 2012 03:37 Ace wrote:
On April 30 2012 23:30 syllogism wrote:
On April 30 2012 23:26 chaoser wrote:
On April 30 2012 23:13 syllogism wrote:
I can't say I'm even slightly surprised to see you on the wrong side of a decent plan.

This is off-topic, but perhaps you should stop joining games that have non-standard setups if you have no interest in actually figuring out the setup and utilizing it in the way that best benefits the town. That's the whole point.


How is it a decent plan again??? The plan is literally "let palmar control round one"

Because he seems townie enough and the alternative is basically random chance or worse. We aren't going to be able to democratically determine who should be in the minority and who shouldn't in 24 hours, especially on day 1.


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Hello ace are you going to do anything useful at all this game?


no
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 18:48 GMT
#185
The reason why Palmar shouldn't be in power goes beyond any notions of how good someone can identify Town (which is erratic and no where near 100% to be considered reliable):

The game doesn't support any one person being in control. The round A votes are hidden, the round B votes can be distributed however a player wishes. That's it.

Plan finished. Good bye.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 19:17 GMT
#197
chaoser doesn't have to explain anything because what he said isn't scummy.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 20:56 GMT
#221
Yes people. Let's give our power to the guy who already has a Scum read on someone who opposed his idea because some other guy came to the same conclusion as him.

Lettuce not forget tho: This pariah of pain didn't mention this to the general public but PM'd it to 5 players he has a "Town Read" on a mere 11 pages into the game.

MINORITY REPORT!
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 21:00 GMT
#225
On May 01 2012 05:53 Motbob is great wrote:
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On May 01 2012 05:46 Palmar wrote:
Yeah that's it. I'm going with 5 people pardoned:


Palmar, Syllo, Foolishness, Radfield and gonzaw (over prplhz)

We're basically shooting shit right now because of you Palmar.

First off, by just announcing to the thread which people you're pardoning, you're basically begging to have people jump ship and climb on the minority if they weren't on your magic list.

Secondly... actually I really don't have much to say, your plan is just blatantly bad.

Please read my posts and don't go with Palmar's plan. Flip a coin if you have to but don't do what Palmar is saying.


It's like they haven't read the OP and don't realize that banding together is a worst-case strategy.

Trying to form a block of Townies to pick out the remaining Scum is just dumb in this setup.

Independence though? Awesome. What you are looking for in this game is a block of people that share votes and appear on the same wagon (Round A's question) more than once. With 3 Scum per team they can never ALL vote the same way for fear of ending up in the majority and having their votes tracked since they need to save each other. Hence a decent team will come to the conclusion of always voting 2 in favor of Yes/No and the lone vote out taking the opposite side.

Then it's just a matter of figuring out if the Scum team have 2 players or 1 player in the Majority pool for Round B by seeing where they apply their "saving" votes.

This game is simple. You people just aren't smart enough to grasp it.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 21:05 GMT
#229
On May 01 2012 05:57 Motbob is great wrote:
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On May 01 2012 05:53 Palmar wrote:
On May 01 2012 05:49 Motbob is great wrote:
o you still not understand? The only way to lynch someone is to force them into the majority, if you try and artificially create a majority you automatically make it so the mafia can manipulate it.


No, mafia cannot manipulate shit if people actually agree with doing it. Let's say that all 12 townies in the game decide "I'm going to follow Palmar's plan" irrelevant of my alignment, mafia cannot do jack shit without revealing themselves. I'm perfectly fine with passing the crown on tomorrow.

The problem is there are going to be some dumb as fuck townies who think they're being clevur by breaking the plan, so it will be impossible to tell those lone-ranger-assholes apart from mafia by just this.

I don't get what's so hard to understand

Please just get off your high horse for one second and listen.

So what happens, a mafia says fuck this and jumps ship today. We have his name, we know he's scum. Now what? You can't create your own majority Palmar. There are too many loose ends, you can't guarantee that someone ends up in the majority. By simply ordering people around you've made it possible for mafia to manipulate your little system EVERY DAY. You'll have to rely on a vigi, and any plan that relies on blues is dumb.


This guy right here is making a fuckton of sense. To summarize what he said (and adding my own twist on it) since I know most of you don't read:

By attempting to create a majority you are fucking yourselves over. You give the mafia an easy option of just ending up in the minority without even needing to manipulate you with effort. Hence the only people Palmar will end up controlling the lynch for is: his own wagon of friends.

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Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 21:08 GMT
#231
On May 01 2012 06:06 chaoser wrote:
lol...palmar's reads are basically, anyone who agrees whole heartly with that I'm saying is town. People who oppose it are mafia.


chill dawg, remember him and Scumfield said that Palmar has an obscenely good Town radar. Game probably over by page 13 if we're lucky.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 21:13 GMT
#236
On May 01 2012 06:10 chaoser wrote:
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can't tell if being sarcastic or...


I can't even see what you quoted. Looks like invisible writing. *shrug*
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 21:15 GMT
#239
On May 01 2012 06:12 gonzaw wrote:
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On May 01 2012 06:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
On May 01 2012 06:02 gonzaw wrote:
Okay I'm back.
Just skimmed through the thread, and Palmar's plan seems to catch the gist of the plan I mentioned before.
Have scummy people in the majority, and most townie ones in the minority. This seems to fulfill that, and it requires cooperation from people, so it's fine for now and we can focus on scumhunting.

I don't really like that the power is on Palmar alone, that introduces quite variance.
I doubt he's scum, since I've read games where he was scum and he just spams and trolls on D1. However, even if he's town, he could be easily manipulated by scum, either making him give scum information, or having Palmar make bad calls and reads because of them.
That's why I don't like "1-man" plans.

I don't know who said it before, but having a small "counsil" of players determining who is in the minority and who isn't is even better, since there will be more players to bounce reads on, and it will be hard for scum to manipulate them, even if one of them is scum.

However, I have a better alternative (although I don't think it can be implemented this Round A):

Have people Vote in the thread who they want to be in the minority


Seems easy enough, people put "##Pardon: Player X" in the thread. We set a deadline (maybe 4-6 hours before Round A ends), and then all votes are taken into account. The players that received more Pardons will be put into the minority (following the same system from Palmar)

This takes away the power from Palmar/syllo themselves to determine who is in the minority (which is what many people had problems with), but the core of the system (having townies in the minority, having scummy people in majority) remains the same.

Anyways, I'm gonna eat something and read the thread again.


Man if you're town please don't play like you did in LI, because that'll mean I'll be subconsciously ignoring all your posts.

I can't believe you seriously think that we should vote for a pardon; it's such a colossal waste of time and it's incredibly easy to manipulate for scum.


You can do it the other way round:

Have each player vote for 3-5 players that they think should be in the majority. Once the virtual deadline hits, all votes are counted, and those that received LESS votes are put in the minority.
That way scum won't actively be able to determine who gets in it or not.


Lettuce ask a very zimple question hear:

How do you put people in the minority?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 21:26 GMT
#253
I can't wait till all these pretenders playing in PM land end up in the majority pool and have to beg for votes to save themselves from each other.

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 21:30 GMT
#255


Original Message From VisceraEyes:
Just trying to get ANY of your reads. You talk about finding scum, but you're not very forthcoming with your reads...only answering specific questions I ask



Not giving scum reads but answering specific questions asked of him = Scum.

Very frightening indeed.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 21:37 GMT
#258
His first few posts feel Townish to you.

He says he doesn't want to share his reads with you because he gets some scummy vibes from you even though he answered all the questions you asked him.

So you do a 180 and now feel he must be Scum. Even though he answered whatever you asked him. So it's not that you didn't like the answers to the questions you asked, but you don't like that he stopped cooperating with you even though he stated he got some Scum vibes from you.

K.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 21:52 GMT
#263
On May 01 2012 06:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, I'm not getting into a pissing contest with either of you guys. I have a read. You think it's dumb. THANKS! LET'S MOVE ON BRO!


I've been drinking beer all day.

Let's do this.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 21:57 GMT
#265
Aye aye Captain!

*salutes*
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 22:44 GMT
#272
How are we going to put people into the minority Scumfield?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 30 2012 22:50 GMT
#275
Can somebody explain how we put players into the minority? I'm having a hard time figuring this somewhat important detail to world domination out.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
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