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On May 10 2012 13:50 EchelonTee wrote:
And are you implying that "town" is different from "we"? dafuq?
I do not understand at all how you came into this conclusion, as if you are refering to the town "kings" phrase, that is simply worded in the same way as your own post.
On May 10 2012 13:54 EchelonTee wrote:
Do whatever you want, idgaf. Some life advice; if someone says you are being an asshole, look at yourself first before blaming others. Maybe you're biased to not think you're being an asshole, because of your self-perception.
Like I have said about 3-4 times, based on ONLY THIS CURRENT GAME RIGHT HERE THIS THREAD, you look extremely scummy.
The fact that you "idgaf", and are ready to give me life advice just shows how you are blinded by your current emotions. As proven by you further speculating about me biasing myself to be wonderful.
Also, I do not see why you felt the need to caps that part, as I am well aware that YOU, are basing your scumread on me on this current game only. I am also well aware that most persons consider me scum, I would be surprised if someone genuinely believed I am town and came out with it. As if someone would suspect me to be town, they would be right, but considering the reaction they would get from the mass, I see why no-one would even want to publically claim that at this point.
So why should I try to change my play to "Calm and analytical town", as of this point when I am sure that most of you "couldn't give a fuck?". You'll just keep telling each other to ignore me, so I see no reason to change my current playstyle for the remainder of the game.
I can be wrong about that, but I find it extremely unlikely for most of you to do otherwise.
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On May 10 2012 13:50 EchelonTee wrote:
And are you implying that "town" is different from "we"? dafuq?
This was about the sandroba thing that I quoted.
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On May 10 2012 14:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Right now there's 6 town and 5 scum. I'm a mislynch, so I propose we kill Palmar today, since I feel best about him being scum at this point.
I don't think we can multi-lynch effectively right now. We have people who are supposed to get lynched as soon as they hit the majority, so they can screw with a multi-lynch without any fear, essentially. Also, we're at the point where we can't unnecessarily kill any townies, or we lose control of the lynch more than we already have.
Why Palmar over chaoser?
And I changed my mind, we're multi-lynching if possible. We're in a LYLO of sorts; even if we lynch one scum today, assuming scum 2 shots us tonight, it will be
6-5 into
4-4
And town will already have only equal voting presence compared to scum, while they still have their KP. We need to get scum killed, now. Honestly I'm baffled how there can be a constant 2KP 12town vs. 6scum, especially with the M/M voting system where scum can hide if they get lucky; it seems too skewed against town.
Hrmph. I wonder if there's a 3rd party, and they used a shot on the third night.
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looooool sandroba
Original Message From prplhz:
No thank you. You can vote "No" if you want, I'm telling sandroba to vote "Yes" and he allegedly wanted to listen to me and then you two will be voting opposite if that's your plan.
I feel kinda bad for prplhz, I wonder what it's like to spend a game allied with scum.
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On May 10 2012 14:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:looooool sandroba Show nested quote +Original Message From prplhz:
No thank you. You can vote "No" if you want, I'm telling sandroba to vote "Yes" and he allegedly wanted to listen to me and then you two will be voting opposite if that's your plan. I feel kinda bad for prplhz, I wonder what it's like to spend a game allied with scum.
Without further PMs of the chain, I do not see that as sufficient evidence as painting someone scum. I don't remember how many times I would have been honest to someone via PMs so far, but that's not many.
It could be prplhz making false claims, it could be sandroba not voting as he originally told to, or something else.
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Ok so I'm gonna make a quick little rule of thumb I'd like everyone to follow. From here on out whenever cephiro makes a post we're going to ignore it completely.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
The king of the thread.
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On May 10 2012 14:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok so I'm gonna make a quick little rule of thumb I'd like everyone to follow. From here on out whenever cephiro makes a post we're going to ignore it completely.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
The king of the thread.
Please do save us from reading your useless posts.
Sincerely,
The one with all the power of the game.
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For those who are wondering how sandroba is always in the minority.. there is one person that has a perfect mirror voting with sandroba since people have been wanting to lynch him. Surprisingly sandroba is always in the minority, and Meapak with some towncred is in the majority.
What a coincidence no?
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Alright I'm gonna go to sleep guys, to those who haven't checked in with Gonazaw, ET, or I make sure you do so.
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If you guys try to derive who is scum from me being scum you will always going to fail, because guess what: I'm not scum! I agree that we should mass lynch the majority though. Seems to be a lot of scum there. Yummy.
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On May 10 2012 16:28 sandroba wrote:
If you guys try to derive who is scum from me being scum you will always going to fail, because guess what: I'm not scum! I agree that we should mass lynch the majority though. Seems to be a lot of scum there. Yummy.
That is very possible, but the majority seems to believe that you are scum, which is why I wanted to bring that up. If you are town, then you must almost know how I feel. :p
Glad that people are liking the mass lynch idea though, however it will be hard to get the same votecount on multiple people without co-operation, and I am afraid we might be down one more townie tonight. Unless the scum factions start more aggressively stabbing at each other, but for the non-Yokoya faction it's currently no concern, as they have a commanding 1 person lead.
I am interested to see if the proportions stay like this and town numbers keep reducing further but scum won't. Depending on how we move on to day 5, I think the scum factions may start being slightly more open about their intentions, or even choose an ambadassor. This is however, pure speculation...
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^ That didn't take long. 
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I'm thinking that the only feasible lynches today are chaoser and Mr. Wiggles.
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On May 10 2012 23:17 prplhz wrote:
I'm thinking that the only feasible lynches today are chaoser and Mr. Wiggles.
If you lynch me you lose, since I have a 100% chance of flipping town. What do you think of Palmar?
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1st - who the heck is companion cube?
2nd On May 10 2012 14:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Right now there's 6 town and 5 scum. I'm a mislynch, so I propose we kill Palmar today, since I feel best about him being scum at this point.
I don't think we can multi-lynch effectively right now. We have people who are supposed to get lynched as soon as they hit the majority, so they can screw with a multi-lynch without any fear, essentially. Also, we're at the point where we can't unnecessarily kill any townies, or we lose control of the lynch more than we already have.
It's getting to the point where scum will have to shoot the other scum team, or they'll risk losing in a king-maker scenario where town gets to pick who wins, which I'm sure would be unsatisfactory, or to pure numbers of the other team if too much KP hits the town or town mislynches too many at once and gets their numbers wiped out. So, they should keep that in mind when they send in kills tonight.
Mr. Wiggles is fearmongering. Its 6 town, 3 scum and 2 scum. He proposes that we kill Palmar but still hasn't provided any case / reasoning at all. At all. He is considered a serious lynch candidate but is still using his time to ask other's for their opinions rather than convincing people that Palmar is scum.
And the last line - looks seriously like scum team suggesting something to the other scum team. Why would town make a suggestion for scum team and think they would listen? Town agenda conflicts with scum agenda. Most likely scum teams aligning agenda temporarily. Also betrays some understanding of the KP system. It was 1 shot D1, D2 and 2 shots D3. Straight up he assumes 2KP again.
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Meapak's sudden change in attitude towards me is confusing as it makes no sense from him being scum perspective, unless he's trolling or pulling some insane strategy, there was no reason to back down as his idea already had some traction. The simple explanation is that he's town.
We're obviously going to kill chaoser today.
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On May 09 2012 23:51 Palmar wrote:
It's probably not wiggles or prplhz because MZ would not bus two of his teammates.
That argument is obviously invalid now that it's very hard for me to make a case which would make MZ scum.
prplhz still looks very towny because of his interactions with syllogism early in the game. I keep coming back to the fact that Radfield voted for Cephiro early in the game. This is the annoying thing about replacements, he/you are getting away with no responsibility at all from that exchange.
I'm re-reading the entire thing to form a new opinion on the game.
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I kinda want to just kill both chaoser and Mr. Wiggles.
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On May 11 2012 01:36 slOosh wrote:1st - who the heck is companion cube? 2nd Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 14:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Right now there's 6 town and 5 scum. I'm a mislynch, so I propose we kill Palmar today, since I feel best about him being scum at this point.
I don't think we can multi-lynch effectively right now. We have people who are supposed to get lynched as soon as they hit the majority, so they can screw with a multi-lynch without any fear, essentially. Also, we're at the point where we can't unnecessarily kill any townies, or we lose control of the lynch more than we already have.
It's getting to the point where scum will have to shoot the other scum team, or they'll risk losing in a king-maker scenario where town gets to pick who wins, which I'm sure would be unsatisfactory, or to pure numbers of the other team if too much KP hits the town or town mislynches too many at once and gets their numbers wiped out. So, they should keep that in mind when they send in kills tonight. Mr. Wiggles is fearmongering. Its 6 town, 3 scum and 2 scum. He proposes that we kill Palmar but still hasn't provided any case / reasoning at all. At all. He is considered a serious lynch candidate but is still using his time to ask other's for their opinions rather than convincing people that Palmar is scum. And the last line - looks seriously like scum team suggesting something to the other scum team. Why would town make a suggestion for scum team and think they would listen? Town agenda conflicts with scum agenda. Most likely scum teams aligning agenda temporarily. Also betrays some understanding of the KP system. It was 1 shot D1, D2 and 2 shots D3. Straight up he assumes 2KP again.
I'm not fear mongering at all. If it gets to the point of something like 3 town, 3 scum, 2 scum, do you really think town will win? At best we'll get to be a kingmaker for which scum team wins. We can't mislynch anymore. That's a fact. If that scares you, well good, because it should. You shouldn't even be considering a mislynch as a viable option at this point as town. If you are, you're just not thinking about it.
I'm going to tell you why Palmar is scum, but I highly doubt it will have any impact on the game. I can tell your little circle has already closed their minds off to discussion, because I made a response to Meapak's case, telling you why it was both wrong and bad. After that, there has been zero, 0!, response to what I said. No discussion at all. That tells me that you guys are just deciding what you want to do in private and are not interested in trying to actually discuss things or potentially changing your opinion. You're just going to do whatever you set your mind on already, and the town is going to lose.
Palmar is scum, because of the way the game has played out, and his general attitude and play through it. To see this, ask, "What has Palmar accomplished throughout the game?". On day 1, he came out strongly with his plan, after he managed to gain Syllogism's trust. His plan though, put all of the power into his own hands. People opposed this, and the plan didn't end up being changed or modified, it just got dropped on subsequent days. Since then, Palmar has been riding the position of authority that being in the WBG/Syllo/Palmar trio had given him, but hasn't been doing much else. It was syllogism who was very active in the thread, and doing the most public scumhunting, and it was WBG who was organizing all the voting in order to get things done. So, WBG and Syllo were organizing the town and making sure that we actually acoomplished what we set out to do, but how did Palmar fit into this? From my perspective, he didn't. He gained Syllo's trust enough on Day 1 for him to get a town read on him, and has just been riding that for the rest of the game. Of the three, it looks like he was the one who was doing the least, or from my perspective, nothing at all.
As well, I know that at least WBG was suspicious of Palmar last night, if not Syllo as well. WBG revealed this to me, here:
+ Show Spoiler +From: wherebugsgo [ 5534 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Liar Game
Date: 5/9/12 11:31
yeah syllo and I have been a bit unsure on Palmar given that he hasn't done very much all game. But it's hard to fit him with any actual scumteam. I suppose we'll have to wait and see but yes, out of the minority group on d1 I'd say palmar fits the bill more than most to be scum.
Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
Ok, that makes more sense, then.
What do you think of Palmar? Personally, if only one between you three were scum, I'd probably say it were him, unless he's doing a lot more in private than I know of. It seems like Syllo got an initial town read on him, and now he hasn't been doing as much? Does that sound right? I'm pretty sure you're town, and like Syllo more than Palmar.
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Original Message From wherebugsgo:
I would've certainly hit foolishness too if I were scum. I was closer to him than I was to syllo/Palmar anyway (and fairly more sure of him being town up to him not responding for a good 24ish hours)
Anyway I think he was probably shot because he's Foolishness and he scares scum. He was also making quite a bit of sense as usual. He was also universally considered town (think about it; the only person who dared call him scum publicly while he was alive was BC) for a very long time.
As my read (and syllo's) on him in private was changing it didn't affect the shot, which boded well in a certain way.
Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
Ok, thanks. I was wondering if prplhz made a medic save or something on N1 and claimed it, because all I knew is it was out of the thread. I find it harder to figure out what's happening, because I have no clue how the KP works, and at least the N2 kill doesn't make much sense compared to what I think I would do as scum.
Why do you think Foolishness was hit, instead of someone in the group of You/Syllo/Palmar?
Original Message From wherebugsgo:
Hmm, I thought I answered it. W/e, here it is anyway:
For prplhz: I've sheeped syllo's read and accepted that in order for him to be scum at least one of those players needs to flip town first. Syllo thinks prpl is town based on how he acted when it came to his votes d1; he asked about where to put them and did so according to syllo's instructions despite not even understanding the rules fully. Syllo thinks that in such a situation he would simply ask his team how to vote and whom. I tend to agree, though I am less convinced than he is.
I don't think prplhz is an issue until we reach such a juncture where he basically has to be scum.
As for sloosh, I am still suspicious of him and for me those suspicions never disappeared. If you noticed, I didn't put a vote on him yesterday (I put 2 on syllo or something like that, don't recall now) he still hasnt come forth with any sort of case in thread and his responses to me in PMs for that still do not seem to impress me. He's not been proactive at all when it comes to the game, not something I'd expect from him as town.
He used the excuse "it's my first PM game, idk what to do"
Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
I asked:
"Can you tell me why prplhz is considered "confirmed" town by syllo, or why all suspicion of sloosh seemed to disappear overnight?"
I'm curious about that, since thinking or knowing they're town reduces the pool of players to look at.
Original Message From wherebugsgo:
Sorry, which PM?
I had a town read based on comparing his filter to what I've seen in LI and several games where he's rolled scum. He also has put plenty of effort forward in PMs (particularly d2) with me in terms of talking out scumreads and whatnot.
As he is decently open in PMs (he's PMed me to start with, for example) and as just recently in PMs he wasn't comfortable PMing as scum I think for now it's safe to call him town.
The other problem I have though right now is: until chaoser/Cephiro/sandro die and flip it's hard to know what to do exactly or who to look at specifically. It's unfortunate, but we are heldup still by that I think.
Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
Hey, are you going to answer my PM?
Also, what do you think of EchelonTee? It seems like most of what he's doing is coming in after most people have decided on who to lynch and making a big unnecessary "case" on them. After the third time, it's looking like an empty contribution to me. Thoughts?
So, last night's hits make a lot of sense in this framework. One, or both, of WBG and Syllo were beginning to question Palmar, and they either brought it up to him himself, or leaked it to someone on his scum team. As well, people were really questioning why no shots went into their trio, which implied that there was scum influence there. So, he decided to shoot whoever was coming on more strongly, and to make it look better for him. Unfortunately, someone else shot the other one, so it revealed him pretty brusquely. Also note how since Meapak "took over", he hasn't been trying to even live at all. He's probably just hoping that you'll kill myself or Chaoser, and he gets another try at getting into the minority. He's clammed up, because he doesn't want to give you any extra information, just like Sandroba's been since Day 1. As town, do you really think he would let someone else become ringmaster of "his" circus? Look at how he acted on Day 1 where he put up a facade of wanting to be the town leader, and how he responded to people who questioned his authority. Now contrast that to how he's acting now. Why do you think he's just taking Meapak taking control over him lying down? It's because he's scum.
Next, your logic is flawed if you really believe it, because why would scum make a suggestion to scum and think they would listen? Their agendas conflict even more at this point. Also, as scum, why in the hell would I be asking the other scum team to shoot at me? Are you serious? That's a temporary alignment? I don't even think you're reading what I'm posting, or you're just being incredibly dense about it, or you're just scum and don't care about looking stupid.
I'm telling scum that the best plan for scum right now is to stop aiming at the town. This helps the town, but it also helps the scum, especially the one with only two people which gives them incentive to do it. If I were a scum player, I think it would be pretty shitty to have the game decided by some terrible leftover townies put into a kingmaker position, especially if you have Cephiro on your team, because I don't think town would choose to let him win if they had the choice after how he's acted. As the numbers get smaller, the influence of each player and their votes becomes correspondingly larger. There's three (or more) parties, so kingmaker situations are possible, and the way this is going, probable. As well, if too much stray KP hits town, or scum keep trying for the mislynches, then it could be that one team gets enough of a numbers advantage they just win. The best thing for scum is to reduce numbers while keeping the ratios in their favour. Just eliminating all the town means one of them loses based on numbers. Letting it go into a 3 way numbers tie means town gets to pick who they want to win. So, they need to get rid of, or at least whittle down, the opposing scum team. It's their best option right now. If they think about the possible end-game scenarios, they should come to the same conclusion, it's simple math.
Also, how do you get that I have extra knowledge about the KP from my post? If you've actually been reading what I've been writing, then you'll know that I've always assumed two KP with some sort of medic intervention, or vets, or a BP third party. It's right here in the thread. You've just revealed yourself as scum grasping for additional ways to get people to lynch me, or you're just not reading the thread at all.
On May 11 2012 01:54 slOosh wrote:
Why is Mr. Wiggles town? I think a better question, is "Why is Mr. Wiggles scum?". No one seems to be keen on discussing this, and meapak's case is incorrect and not very good.
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