Also if cephiro/sheth is what remains of your team and it looks like sheth is going to get lynched by the end of the day, you shouldn't bother trying to save him as in that case the game is unwinnable for your team and you are at best just delaying the inevitable.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 05:55 GMT

#1033

Don't use the "do you really think we are stupid enough" defense unless you want me to answer that and present evidence as to why that may be the case.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 06:50 GMT

#1038

I guess it's somewhat less likely for ceph to make that argument if they are team mates, just so he doesn't look silly after the game is over. Sandroba being on their team makes some sense, though I don't quite understand why mafia sheth would suicide like that if he isn't on the same team as ceph/bc.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 07:20 GMT

#1040

Fine, who is mafia then? Your only real read whole game long has been gonzaw and you've defended at least one mafia, likely two. You said that, if you die and flip town, we should look at your reads knowing that they are legitimate. The problem is you don't have any useful reads, haven't made any cases at all and we already know you have been wrong about several things.

If you are town, spend the day making real cases. You could start by explaining why, after "thinking about it all day", you think Cephiro is town. I'm more interested in your mafia reads, however.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 07:25 GMT

#1042

Now that you are not in danger of being lynched today, I'm sure you will spend the day scum hunting and making cases.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 07:37 GMT

#1047

I will look at them with the same objectivity that I had when I assessed your BC read here

BC has played very openly and been honest about his opinions. Although his town play is not perfect, I could say the same about several others in this game.

I do agree that his town play was not perfect and that the same can be said about your play so far.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 14:36 GMT

#1061

Who do you think should be killed today, Chaoser? Everything we said about you on day 1 still applies, including what Foolishness said and he has flipped town. Have you been PMing anyone at all? Got logs with meapak and sandroba?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 15:12 GMT

#1065

You don't seriously buy a claim from trolling mafia? How does it make sense at all for him to play survivor like that? Seems to me you are only believing it because it fits your agenda

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 15:32 GMT

#1069

Of course, you are the one who is building our strategy around a likely fake claim/joke

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 15:40 GMT

#1071

Palmar implied that cephiro claimed that he is a survivor with kp, which he sort of did with his jackpot comment. Anyway, you are still building our strategy around an unlikely scenario. We've our own theories as to why there has been only one KP every night and they seem more likely than there being a survivor who can basically claim on day 1 and then just tell town to direct his KP

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 15:43 GMT

#1073

Citation please and how would you know that as a "survivor" who has KP

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 16:18 GMT

#1077

I don't even know what you are trying to say there and how that is suddenly relevant. One of the reasons we suspected BC/Ceph was because there aren't many people in this game who would, as mafia, shoot ace n1. He may have been shot because bc/ceph consider him a good town player, because they thought he may be mafia or because they thought doing so would make us look more suspicious. Doesn't particularly matter. Why do you think foolishness was shot? He agreed with us on almost everything.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 16:50 GMT

#1079

I'm not going to go into detail because I'm lazy and can make it happen anyway, barring mafia interference. Basically his only case so far in the game has been a very weak case on prplhz and he has made several quite suspicious claims in and out of the threat. His activity has also drastically dropped when it became apparent palmar/me/wbg and foolishness got control of the game. You defending him for no reason only serves to increase our suspicions as chaoser/meapak team makes quite a bit of sense.

Here are some choice quotes from his PM conversations with foolishness:

"I have to be honest with you, the only people I'm really certain about are prplhz/sandroba. I really don't have anyone who I'm sure is town, it's all shades of gray"

"I'm fairly certain Palmar is third party." <-- so he can't find any townies but he is "fairly certain" that palmar is a third party?

"And on the contrary, I think me flipping a coin is highlighting the idiocy of trying to arrange plans for round A." (<-- this was a defensive reply to foolishness disapproving him coin flipping)

Meapak is a good player, but has demonstrated none of that in this game.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 16:53 GMT

#1080

He also said this:

Here's the scum:

sandroba, prplhz, radfield/sloosh, syllogism, wiggles, ____

When foolishness suggested sheth/chaoser, he didn't comment

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 16:59 GMT

#1083

Feel free to make a case on someone who can be lynched today, other than sheth of course.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 17:08 GMT

#1086

Oh so you think one mafia team went 0-3 or 0-2 last night? Weren't you saying foolishness style voting analysis would be useful

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 17:12 GMT

#1088

Sheth so you are saying you look like mafia and me trying to kill you makes me mafia, because i'm mafia trying to kill mafia? Brilliant

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 17:19 GMT

#1091

Thanks for making this game more fun sheth

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 17:52 GMT

#1097

I'm relatively confident that sheth/chaoser/meapak are all mafia, but given that it is unlikely that we can lynch more than one today, it should be sheth. Chaoser/meapak can vote each other all I care and I tell sandroba to give a few votes to his teammates. Everyone else has to be at 9 votes so mafia can't do some sort of all-in

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

May 07 2012 17:54 GMT

#1098

On May 08 2012 02:40 chaoser wrote:

Show nested quote +

Aren't you also saying theres one mafia team with 0-2 last night? your five is sheth/sandro/ceph/me/MZ with Me/MZ being on a team and sandro/sheth being on a team. No matter how you cut that, there's a 0-# team in there.

No, I think chaoser/meapak/sandroba is one team and bc/sheth/ceph is another. Not that this is relevant, because I'm not the one who is trying to use analyze vote splits at this point and definitely not trying to use that as a reason not to lynch people who I think are mafia.