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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 07:46 GMT
#104
On April 30 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not I. :d

Well then, let's get started.

As always, I cynically feel like any plan we hope to enact is doomed to fail so let's just vote how we want to vote for round A. We have a number advantage over scum, so voting randomly (according to how we feel) will put town at the advantage imo.

I haven't decided how to use my votes for Phase B yet. I'm still pondering the matter.

Hi, can you elaborate on this? Surely you don't mean to imply you are going to vote based on something other than information you have gained from reading the thread, and possibly your PMs?

Everyone should be able to justify their round B votes on something other than just vague notions of how useful that player generally is when town aligned.

Also, I propose we will vote which player(s) to lynch as normal. Those player(s) should then not receive any votes in round B; we could have everyone claim their votes in round B to at least have something to analyze in case they still do. Actually I suppose the downside of having everyone claim their votes in public is that mafia will is possible then less likely to vote for each other as they can tell whether their players are in danger of being voted off or not. Ideally we would choose a person who is most likely to be town (that would be me) and just have everyone PM him their votes instead.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 09:45 GMT
#106
Haven't thought about it much, but it seems to me it would be best if players who we will definitely not be lynching on the given day would be in the minority and everyone would agree to vote with the majority. Random voting seems awful.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 10:40 GMT
#110
Based on my short discussion with Palmar, I'm supporting that plan. As long as all the "pardons" are adequately justified, there is little reason for anyone else to object either.

That is to say, All hail King Palmar
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 10:52 GMT
#113
Actually, the King is too busy to handle such matters personally, so you should direct the claims to me, his advisor
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 11:50 GMT
#118
Oh I just noticed that votes will be made public after voting is over, but just to make sure

After round B is over, are we told who voted for whom or just given the tallies?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 11:55 GMT
#119
On April 30 2012 13:11 Cephiro wrote:
Regarding PMs... anyone can PM me and say/ask anything they want, but I promise nothing to no-one as of yet.

Can you clarify what you mean by this? You don't promise to answer questions in private or what kind of promises are you exactly talking about here?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 14:13 GMT
#127
I can't say I'm even slightly surprised to see you on the wrong side of a decent plan.

This is off-topic, but perhaps you should stop joining games that have non-standard setups if you have no interest in actually figuring out the setup and utilizing it in the way that best benefits the town. That's the whole point.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 14:14 GMT
#128
I'm hostile because you have no reason whatsoever to have "extreme disdain" at what occurred in spaceship mafia.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 14:30 GMT
#132
On April 30 2012 23:26 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 23:13 syllogism wrote:
I can't say I'm even slightly surprised to see you on the wrong side of a decent plan.

This is off-topic, but perhaps you should stop joining games that have non-standard setups if you have no interest in actually figuring out the setup and utilizing it in the way that best benefits the town. That's the whole point.


How is it a decent plan again??? The plan is literally "let palmar control round one"

Because he seems townie enough and the alternative is basically random chance or worse. We aren't going to be able to democratically determine who should be in the minority and who shouldn't in 24 hours, especially on day 1.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 14:50 GMT
#136
And how exactly are we all going to decide in the time we have left who should be in the minority? We vote? How many votes? How long do you think this process would take and would everyone be around to send in their answers once the process is finally over?

And yes, you should take my word on that. My read can be wrong, but even if it is, it wouldn't be a disaster. As Palmar said, he would be accountable.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 15:27 GMT
#140
If palmar was part of a team, by the time we figure it out, it would be too late. Even more so since apparently he's asking people to claim to him.

This is such a ridiculous assertion that I think I know who I will be voting to lynch today. Too late for what? Why do you assume it would take long? And if he is mafia and had given his team mates immunity on previous rounds, wouldn't we just catch them all at once? Don't you think the other team would shoot him anyway? Why is he, as mafia, putting himself in such a spotlight especially given that there is another team that can, presumably, just kill him?

It seems to me your mindset is not that of a townie
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 15:42 GMT
#142
On May 01 2012 00:40 Motbob is great wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 23:57 chaoser wrote:
Ok, how do we hold him responsible? How do we know that his picks for exemption are pro-town and not pro-mafia? How long will it take us to figure out his picks are pro-mafia? Probably a very long time if he's mafia and his teammates just play very "townie like"; There are two mafia teams so it's very easy to scumhunt while being scum yourself. Putting someone into power to always decide Round 1 is ridiculous because of that. We don't know anything about mafia, what roles they might have, or how much KP they have. If palmar was part of a team, by the time we figure it out, it would be too late. Even more so since apparently he's asking people to claim to him.


This above part is very true and I'm bolding/quoting because I think it bears repeating.

Also syllo chill a bit...

Chill? Do you have a problem with me thinking chaoser is scum for saying something that demonstrates he isn't approaching the issue from a townie point of view?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 15:45 GMT
#143
How is it a good point for him to say his team mates can play "very townie like"? How are we even supposed to find at all if that is true? Besides if they are playing "very townie like", wouldn't people just be voting to save them anyway in round B? Again, this is nonsense. Moreover, we are just talking about day 1 plans for now, making the opposition even more absurd.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 16:20 GMT
#151
VE I'm not sure if I believe you as the post isn't internally very consistent if that was your meaning. If that was your intent, what conclusion did you reach now that you have "pondered" the issue?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 17:58 GMT
#170
Since jubjubs aren't complying with the best plan for day 1, we need to reach consensus on round A voting within a few hours. I think this game would be better with 72 hour days, there is so little time to come up with plans or even contact everyone within 24 hours.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 18:38 GMT
#178
On May 01 2012 03:37 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 23:30 syllogism wrote:
On April 30 2012 23:26 chaoser wrote:
On April 30 2012 23:13 syllogism wrote:
I can't say I'm even slightly surprised to see you on the wrong side of a decent plan.

This is off-topic, but perhaps you should stop joining games that have non-standard setups if you have no interest in actually figuring out the setup and utilizing it in the way that best benefits the town. That's the whole point.


How is it a decent plan again??? The plan is literally "let palmar control round one"

Because he seems townie enough and the alternative is basically random chance or worse. We aren't going to be able to democratically determine who should be in the minority and who shouldn't in 24 hours, especially on day 1.


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Hello ace are you going to do anything useful at all this game?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 18:46 GMT
#182
This is why we need a plan for round A; to make sure players we are suspicious of vote with the majority. As I noted earlier, chaoser is who I would be voting to lynch right now and he should definitely not get immunity today.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 18:48 GMT
#186
Chaoser do you think Palmar is mafia or not?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 19:04 GMT
#195
On May 01 2012 03:56 chaoser wrote:
If i had to lynch someone today, it'd be palmar

Ah yes, the good old "lets attract as much attention as possible and establish an obvious link between each other" strategy in a two scum team game. Do you genuinely believe this?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
April 30 2012 19:30 GMT
#200
Right, so I'm willing to entertain the idea that is why you were skeptical of the plan, though I still think the way you argued against it suggests a non-town mindset, but you still haven't explained why you think Palmar is mafia. Even if you think that is a possible mafia strategy, do you think it is a likely one? It makes perfect sense from a town point of view and is exactly what you would expect from town palmar. Further, certainly you've actually read his posts to see if his actual content agrees with your theory? Yet, I notice a distinct lack of you pointing towards anything specific

That post is a pretty bizarre way to push the idea that someone is mafia, it seems quite defensive even
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