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To: Motbob is great [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Liar Game
Date: 4/30/12 15:44
How else would you propose to vote this phase then? Everyone's quick to jump on my idea and bash it, but I haven't seen anyone suggest their own system yet. Realistically, I think this is going to end up with people voting whoever they want, which in my mind will cause just as much, if not more, chaos. By people just doing whatever they want, we get a random chance for who's in the majority or minority, as well their sizes. I don't like the idea of scum being able to make themselves safe, because I'm calling it now, anyone who gets into the minority is instantly going to have any suspicion on them dissipate, as they can't be lynched. This gives them a whole cycle before anyone can even think of lynching them, and I think it's going to make actually killing scum with the lynch a whole lot harder, since people will give up their cases, and pressure will instantly disappear.

Original Message From Motbob is great:
ugh yeah, I didn't realize they were gonna nuke the thread, I just wanted to observe the carnage . Ahh well, at least I've been immortalized in a screen shot lolol. Thankfully his excellency motbob let me make a smurf haha.

Anyway, I guess I'll be blunt. I really don't like your idea of having everyone advance to the next round. It really makes a lot of chaos and imo would create a really easy situation for scum to influence the vote.

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Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
How's it going? I see you got temped in the ABL

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To which I received no reply.

Original Message From Foolishness:
The whole VE case has my mind in a tizzy. His behavior is so trollish I can't tell if he just doesn't care or if he's trying to make us think he doesn't care so we will spare him.

I was talking with him in PMs at the beginning of day 1 but we haven't chatted in a while. We mainly just talked about simple start of game things (what should our plan be? blah blah) same things we talked about, just less detail since you know how he is this game.

In terms of contribution to the town there is no argument that he has done next to nothing. Nor is there any sign that he is going to change that. I find it interesting he seems to think that there is a role that revives people. For some reason he reminds me of Kurumi this game.

However dangerous it might be worthwhile to try to get two people killed today. I'd still advocate sandroba, but there doesn't seem to be anyone who thinks Radfield should be saved either. As I said in my thread post I could be convinced to kill Radfield.

EchelonTee is strangely inactive and as soon as he gets called out he comes in with a big analysis. This isn't how he played as mafia in JubJub though and I thought he was town at the beginning of the game when he was posting.

Yeah I still don't know what to make of chaoser. He hasn't responded back to me. Does he have an agenda? Or was that PM sent in desperate frustration? I can see it going both ways.

Cephiro I think is dumb townie for now. I'm certainly not going to put any votes on him unless the town has a collective plan where I need to do so. It seems like a few others are going to vote for him anyways.

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
The voting thing was a joke.

I think VE's a good lynch, but I'm not sure about Sandroba. If I had to pick a second person to lynch, it would be him, but I'd like to see some more out of him now that he's in the thread. A lot of the case against him so far seems to be "he doesn't care", but that doesn't really say much about his alignment in my opinion, just that he doesn't care. It' uncharacteristic of him, sure, but I've gotten that same line thrown at me in games as town where I was more inactive like Death Factory 2 and JubJub mafia. So, I'd like to see something more substantial from him now that he looks, or at least claims, that he'll be active again.

If we had to choose one person to kill, I think VE would be it. All it seems like he's doing is running through the thread aggravating people and opposing any sort of organization and causing dissent on principle. He hasn't even said who he thinks scum is now that he's chimed in on Round B. His case on WBG was laughable, and besides that, I don't see any reads from him. Even when he talks about the Sandroba lynch, he doesn't say that he thinks Sandroba is scum, just that he's fine with his lynch.

I tried PMing with me, and all he asked was if I was PMing anyone else, and then he just dropped the conversation.

As for the chaoser thing, that looks somewhat weird to me. He asks you to pressure her in thread, but he doesn't do so himself? The closest I can see is he says he wanted to push her lynch, but it's still weird he asks you to pressure her, and then does nothing himself. There's obviously nothing stopping him form pressuring her, so why does he need you? It's not like he said, "Let's both pressure her together!", he just said that he wants you to.

The thing about Cephiro, is that he acted extremely strongly to weak pressure and became super defensive. So, I wanted to try to put a bit more pressure on him. Right now, I think he's just dumb more than scum though, and I want to ignore him. That's dangerous though, because I did the same thing with Acrofales in Death Factory 2, where I just wrote him off as a stupid townie, and then it turned out he was scum. So I guess I have to keep reading what he says.

What are your thoughts on the lynch right now?

Original Message From Foolishness:
Oh when I mean "I'm certainly not going to vote the way he told me to" I mean that what he said wasn't a factor. I realized I did vote NO which is what he said I should but that's not why I voted NO.

I'm actually a bit concerned. With the exception of you all my town reads are in the minority. Problematic since there's at least 2 scum in the minority and I'm scratching my head at who they might be. But I'm just ramblin'

I don't know what to think about chaoser anymore. From his thread posts I was starting to second guess myself about him. A few people are willing to kill him but not as many as I expected. I think it's better to turn our attention elsewhere. Preliminarily (by that I mean I haven't done concrete analysis yet) I say we kill sandroba/VE.

Though chaoser did send me a strange PM right before day was half up I believe:

This is the first thing he's sent me in PM (I've never sent him anything). I thought it was a peculiar thing to send me especially since I was the first one to attack him. I'm not quite sure what his goal was when he sent it, and that bothers me. Also wondering why he chose me out of all people. Though I did give him the bad news in that Katina is one of my strong town reads thus far. At least she seems like she understand the game from her one post about mafia splitting 2-1, and that's a lot more than most people this game.

I skimmed through all the posts/arguments about Cephiro. Honestly I don't see what all the hubbub is about there. Really looks like you gonzaw and him are just arguing over nothing; but I'll take a closer look tomorrow. As I said I'd say let's go for VE and sandroba.

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
Hey, what happened to this?

What are your thoughts on the lynch? Do you want Chaoser to die? What do you think of Cephiro?

From: Foolishness [ 2007 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Liar Game
Date: 5/5/12 10:14
Leave it as an accusation. I unfortunately got really busy with life today. Very bad day for me overall.

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
So are you going to make a case against BC or Cephiro, or are you just going to leave it at an accusation?

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Original Message From Foolishness:
More as in I trust the people who have scum reads on him. I'm a bit iffy on Cephiro, but he is a big distraction to the town. The majority of people I trust to be town all want to kill him. I would much rather kill BC and I'm trying to push for that with people, but ultimately when push comes to shove we need to agree on a lynch in order to get the votes to work out correctly. I'm not going to cause chaos by advocating he's town (though I wouldn't say I strongly think that now anyways) if the rest of the player base wants him dead. That will just mess up the votes.

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
So you've changed your read on Cephiro now? Why's that?

From: wherebugsgo [ 5529 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Liar Game
Date: 5/5/12 06:43
I've had pretty much the same reads as you all game. When Cephiro and gonzaw were attacking each other I mostly ignored both of them because it seemed at first like two townies attacking each other. However, gonzaw approached me in PMs and was cooperative while cephiro was very recluse. In addition Cephiro said a few key things that made me really think he was scum. Also, he decided to vote VE I believe after VE gave votes to sandro, which was essentially like abstaining. All VE was doing was being loud and disruptive, and by supporting him it seemed that Cephiro wanted disruption. That was not at all what he did in DFM2 and I've never seen him encourage that type of play as town. That's what made me decide to stop ignoring him + gonzaw.

BC has been very reticent in PMs and in thread; generally regardless of his actual alignment he's usually like this, which makes him harder to read. However, if you've noticed, instead of ever calling anyone scum or doing any scumhunting he's constantly shifting suspicion onto Palmar/syllo. In addition, he's trying to make people responsible for the VE lynch as if he knew VE was town when he was completely fine with killing VE himself. It's blatantly contradictory with his earlier behavior; if he were town he would have at least made some sort of comment to the effect that VE played badly or whatever.

Foolishness has also been rather reserved in PMs, but for the most part he's been transparent about reads. The one thing I can't shake is that he keeps going back to the basic assumption that scum would 100% always do a 2/1 split in the A phase and I can't figure out why. I don't think he's scum for now though; if both cephiro and BC flip town then we'll have to seriously consider it at that point. Basically I say this because everyone in the minority phase from yesterday minus BC seemed like town to me.

If you can talk to chaoser a bit, would you? He's one of those players that suspects palmar/syllo for no particular reason and he's pushing that agenda pretty heavily in PMs. I'm leaning scum on him but it's so hard to read him. His style has changed quite a bit since PYP:I and I can't figure out whether he's just being dense and stubborn or actually scum. His reads aren't making sense to me, and so that makes me think he's scum, but I'd love an objectivish opinion if that's possible.

Same goes for sloosh; I had a leaning scum read on Radfield but the replacement wiped it clean. Sloosh said he'd be around with scumreads but I don't believe that ever happened.

I also think ET is town based on the amount of effort he's put in and the fact that he approached me in PMs with his frustrations with the game. Unless he's faked that attitude well I don't think he's scum. In addition his posts match well to those he made in LI and not the ones in SOAF or JubJub or SS Mafia. He's been open with reads, which has also been nice.

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
I haven't voted yet, and when I do, I'll claim in thread.

At first I thought Cephiro was scum. Then I thought he was just completely dumb and stubborn town. Now, there seems to be a lot of people calling him scum, so I'm not as sure of my read anymore. Something concerning is how he still hasn't done any scumhunting like he's said he would since Day 1 when me and gonzaw argued with him. I'm starting to swing back to thinking he's scum, since his act is starting to get pretty thin. I don't think a townie would really run around screaming at everyone this far into the game while giving us nothing useful. It's getting to the point where if he is town, I'm going to avoid playing with him, since it's just unpleasant to play with someone like that.

BC I'm not sure on. Maybe you could help me. What does he always say? Is it that when he's scum he's an asshole? Or am I thinking of it oppositely? Basically, I asked him on Day 1 when he came back what his plan was. He said that it was to avoid talking about plans (which he didn't do). He also said he wants to spend his time scumhunting and finding viable lynch targets with good reasons, which it doesn't really look like he's doing either. If he wants to push foolishness or katina as lynch targets, I don't really get why he doesn't make an actual case on them. All he's doing now is yelling about how they're wrong or how they're attacking him makes them scum. He's bringing up some stuff against them, but it's always in response to the people accusing him, and it's not in a way that it seems like he actually wants to accomplish something.

Also, I was talking to Foolishness, and he kept pushing that he thinks BC is scum. I asked him if he's actually going to post a case for it in the thread, and I'm waiting for a reply still. It seems weird that Foolishness hasn't actually made any public analysis yet, especially if he's trying to get BC killed. He also told me he thought Cephiro was dumb town, and then said he wants to lynch him today. I asked him if his read changed, and why, and he says that he trusts the people who have scum reads on him, and that he's really a bit iffy but doesn't want to screw up the voting. It struck me as a little odd, which makes me more hesitant on the BC lynch. I probably shouldn't be, though, since even if Foolishness were scum, his read on BC could be correct still.

I don't have a great read on Chaoser. He's blending into the background a lot since Day 1. He might be more active in PMs, but I haven't been talking to him at all, so I don't know.

Sloosh is also blending in a lot since he's been incredibly inactive. I don't think he's even posted any original thoughts in the thread since he's joined. I don't think he's someone I'd want around late-game unless he steps it up.

ET I have a somewhat town-read on. I think the best way to see if he's scum is to keep talking to him and make sure he gives his own reads. In JubJub, he PMed me, and didn't give me anything. He always asked questions, but never responded in kind. I didn't figure it out until the end though, when he made some bullshit case against me, but by then it was too late and nobody believed me. So, he should just get pressured in thread or in PM to give reads with reasons, and we should be able to figure out if he's scum or not based on that. Just pressure him to be active and contribute, and if he doesn't he's probably scum. Like I said though, right now I'm leaning town based on his posting and a couple PMs with him.

Sheth I'm going to pressure a bit in PMs. I was leaning town on him, but now he seems really hesitant, so I want to figure out why. For example, he makes a post saying he's surprised that people think BC is scum, which implies he has a town read on him. Then syllo asks him what he thinks of Cephiro's defense of BC, and he says he needs to read BC's filter since he hasn't read him that much. Then he says "Ok after reading through BC's filter I like him", which implies he wasn't sure before, because of the "after". So, why'd he make a post saying he has a town read on BC, and then 10 minutes later say he needs to read BC filter to get a read on him? It seems weird.

What are your thoughts on all these players?

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Original Message From wherebugsgo:
Yeah sorry I'm getting bombarded by PMs by basically everyone.

Anyway it'd be nice if you claimed your votes; as long as they're not on Cephiro/BC I think they're fine.

You agree with Cephiro/BC dying today?

What reads do you have on chaoser/Sheth/sloosh/ET?

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
Hey, so what are your thoughts like right now? We kind of stopped talking for some reason, and it looks like you're hanging out in PM land a lot, so what's up?