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On May 01 2012 08:35 paschl wrote:
Im gonna give Gummy some townie points for the opening.
Sounds honest/happy to play and he makes a promise to keep giving notes. Once per page even.
Since i think its hard to keep this up (to be clear, i dont think its possible to get the list in once per page) i think a scum would be unlikely to make the promise in the first time.
So love is all around.
I'm going to give paschl some scum points since, as I mentioned in the preface chatter, that basically everybody should play the strategy of being useful with nonzero probability. However, to presume that I am a Vanilla Townie is the least probable given a set of Bayesian priors, since townies have an optimal mixed strategy between being helpful and laying low. At worst you are scum trying to direct my attention away from you. At best, you have poorly laid out your train of deduction and given the few number of players we have and the utter lack of information regarding the number and composition of roles, such naivete is ample reason for me to cast my vote for you. Alas, nobody else has opened their mouths yet.
Just to be clear, I am gambling on their not being a role blocker and there being a medic. I hope that by laying out notes I will be a sufficiently attractive target for the medic to save for the first 2 nights or so.
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Edit grammar nazi: I meant there not their in "their not being a role blocker."
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I know that a 7/2 vanilla (1 detective) is fairly balanced, its the small game im used to and i might be biased in this direction.
Youre right, i doubt there is gonna ba a framer/godfather.
Both could very easily swing the small game and should create huge imbalances.
A rolecop would be too strong. It gives the scum 2 chances per night to find the detective.
Id suspect if there is a medic there should be a blocker.
But i wouldnt be surprised at all if this is a standard 7 townie/2 scum setup with one detective.
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On May 01 2012 08:44 Gummy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 08:35 paschl wrote:
Im gonna give Gummy some townie points for the opening.
Sounds honest/happy to play and he makes a promise to keep giving notes. Once per page even.
Since i think its hard to keep this up (to be clear, i dont think its possible to get the list in once per page) i think a scum would be unlikely to make the promise in the first time.
So love is all around. I'm going to give paschl some scum points since, as I mentioned in the preface chatter, that basically everybody should play the strategy of being useful with nonzero probability. However, to presume that I am a Vanilla Townie is the least probable given a set of Bayesian priors, since townies have an optimal mixed strategy between being helpful and laying low. At worst you are scum trying to direct my attention away from you. At best, you have poorly laid out your train of deduction and given the few number of players we have and the utter lack of information regarding the number and composition of roles, such naivete is ample reason for me to cast my vote for you. Alas, nobody else has opened their mouths yet. Just to be clear, I am gambling on their not being a role blocker and there being a medic. I hope that by laying out notes I will be a sufficiently attractive target for the medic to save for the first 2 nights or so.
I read your pregame posts, i just disagree. Being useful isnt something that can be defined for a mafia game.
And telling townies to lay low creates an opportunity for the scum to lay low too.
Laying low, i.e. making less posts is the easiest way to hide, especially for new scum.
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Also some things I've realized: Since we don't know whether there exists either, notice that the framer is strictly stronger than the godfather, since a framer who points at himself every night is just a godfather. Since there would be no point in having both a godfather and a framer given the randomness of detective selections, we can safely presume that there is no godfather. (for if there is, he would just be a very predictable framer).
List of hypothesized roles and corresponding claims:
Townies:
1 Detective
1 Medic
2 Vanilla Townie - Gummy, Paschl
Scum
1 Framer
1 Rolecop
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Oh, the game started, I am really excited 
Seems like I should have chosen a better name? ^^ Anyway, I am no smurf just a long time reader creating the account to try TL Mafia. I only played a similar game IRL once so I really wanted to try this.
Isn't it a bit harsh to judge the players by their names? Maybe we should talk about the name Gummy. Perhaps someone who loves gummy bears and apparentely tofu. Weird sense of taste
@Paschl: I think you can change your timezone in your profile by picking the right country.
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I have no idea what the remaining two townie roles might be. We'll know after the next night though based on the number of people dead.
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On May 01 2012 08:54 Ange777 wrote:Oh, the game started, I am really excited Seems like I should have chosen a better name? ^^ Anyway, I am no smurf just a long time reader creating the account to try TL Mafia. I only played a similar game IRL once so I really wanted to try this. Isn't it a bit harsh to judge the players by their names? Maybe we should talk about the name Gummy. Perhaps someone who loves gummy bears and apparentely tofu. Weird sense of taste @Paschl: I think you can change your timezone in your profile by picking the right country.
Hey scum. You gonna claim a role?
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Gummy you shouldnt do this. Nowhere did i claim vanilla townie. I might be the detective.
Youre making the job easy for the scum.
And you included the scum roles for "corresponding claims"? I hope someone signs up lol.
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List of hypothesized roles and corresponding claims:
Townies:
1 Detective
1 Medic
2 Vanilla Townie - Gummy, Paschl
2 Other roles?
Scum
1 Framer - Ange777
1 Rolecop
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On May 01 2012 08:59 paschl wrote:
Gummy you shouldnt do this. Nowhere did i claim vanilla townie. I might be the detective.
Youre making the job easy for the scum.
And you included the scum roles for "corresponding claims"? I hope someone signs up lol.
On May 01 2012 08:59 Gummy wrote:
List of hypothesized roles and corresponding claims:
Townies:
1 Detective
1 Medic
2 Vanilla Townie - Gummy
2 Other roles?
Scum
1 Framer - Ange777
1 Rolecop - Paschl
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I've identified both scum. Do I win?
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Ok, I am a townie. But:
Isn't it better to abstain from any roleclaiming? Otherwise isn't it easier to identify the special roles?
Furthermore scum could just claim to be regular townies and right now we have no way to prove anything.
I would have thought claiming to be a townie is just as suspicious as saying nothing about it but hey, I don't have any experience in this game
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Fwiw, i read through the forum a little and there were previous 9er newbie games.
In the setup thread it lists the following possible lineups:
" 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 5 Vanilla Townies, Sane Cop, Doctor.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 5 Vanilla Townies, Sane Cop, Jailkeeper.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 5 Vanilla Townies, Doctor, Jailkeeper.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 6 Vanilla Townies, Sane Cop.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 6 Vanilla Townies, Jailkeeper.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 6 Vanilla Townies, Doctor."
So i highly suspect this game uses one of the same systems.
And no Gummy, you usually dont win if youre wrong.
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Doesn't matter if it doesn't prove anything. Your hesitation to even claim townie makes me suspect you. The fact that you admit to having no experience in this game makes me believe you are a safe vote. Fortunately, we are allowed to vote no lynch, so I am inclined to let my suspicion remain just that. Tread carefully Ange777...
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On May 01 2012 09:06 paschl wrote:
Fwiw, i read through the forum a little and there were previous 9er newbie games.
In the setup thread it lists the following possible lineups:
" 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 5 Vanilla Townies, Sane Cop, Doctor.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 5 Vanilla Townies, Sane Cop, Jailkeeper.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 5 Vanilla Townies, Doctor, Jailkeeper.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 6 Vanilla Townies, Sane Cop.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 6 Vanilla Townies, Jailkeeper.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 6 Vanilla Townies, Doctor."
So i highly suspect this game uses one of the same systems.
And no Gummy, you usually dont win if youre wrong.
Half those games had no detective/cop. What is this?!?!?! lol
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Id guess sane cop=detective. Although i agree that its weird to see setups without detective.
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Yay the game started!
I'm vanilla townie and am very excited to be in my first real game.
I really hope we get some more active posters soon as so we can get rolling on this scum hunt!
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But then we will just have 9 people claiming to be townie. I don't understand what kind of information you will get from that.
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