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I don't really understand the point behind forcing a role claim. Everyone will claim vanilla townie because that's the most common role and it's completely unprovable. It doesn't hide any roles because if everyone claims vanilla townie then everyone is up for attack.
I'll go ahead and say that I don't like that strategy, but regardless I'll give actions a real role to claim. With the possibility of a jailkeeper or another Medic I'm fine in saying that I'm one of the medics.
The best part is the Mafia won't attack me because they'll think I'm a vanilla townie trying to bite the bullet for the town. If the detective wants to claim I'll be here to heal him. We really just need to keep the detective alive for as long as possible because with so many non-power roles we'll be powerless eventually.
I'd be wary of Gummy for being so aggressive so early on. He's most likely trying to accuse other people so if anyone tries to point fingers at him he can claim that they're protecting the person he's pressuring. That's a pretty shady tatic and with his confindence in himself going to his head he might be trouble.
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On May 01 2012 09:10 Matriarch wrote:
Yay the game started!
I'm vanilla townie and am very excited to be in my first real game.
I really hope we get some more active posters soon as so we can get rolling on this scum hunt!
Don't worry. I already figured out who the scum are. It's paschl and ange. Thank me later.
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On May 01 2012 09:35 Gummy wrote:
Don't worry. I already figured out who the scum are. It's paschl and ange. Thank me later.
I really don't know how to argue with you when you are only basing your accusation on me taking to a little longer to roleclaim. I mentioned my doubts about the usefulness of roleclaiming at the beginning. I'll just go to bed now and hope that this won't provoke any suspicion from your side :D
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Hi! I'm very excited to start playing this game. The last TL Mafia game I played, I got lynched pretty early because day ended earlier than I expected and I hadn't said much, but this time I can assure you that I will be a lot more active.
So far, I feel like I can trust Clawtrocity and Gummy. Paschl seems a bit...meh, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Matriarch could be anything, it's hard to say. Ange777 is either scum or is very inexperienced. I've got my eye on her in particular.
I want to attempt to do something, but first I need a question answered.
Are doctors notified int he event that their heal ends up healing their target?
Is the healed person notified that they they have been attacked and healed?
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EDIT:
From OP
Neither you nor your target will be notified of a successful protection.
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Hey all, great to get started. Here are my thoughts so far.
Gummy - Seems like he knows a lot of strategy, so I’d like to hear why he’s claiming vanilla town on the first day. From what I’ve read that’s strange.
If scum believes him, he increases chances of a power role dying.
If he claims anything later on, he’s a liar and liars get lynched.
He also requests a medic the first night (a waste on VT no?).
Paschl - Gives townie points quickly to Gummy and spreads the love around. Maybe just a nice guy, but seems too eager.
Agne777 - Apologizes for being bad, seems like a beginner and too defensive.
Matriarch - Claims VT and wishes for active posters (but isn’t one of them). Would like to hear her full thoughts on things.
Clawtrocity - Claiming medic right out of the gate doesn’t sound like mafia to me.
FirmTofu - The question he asks sounds like a terrible scum trying to imply medic, so I’m not sure what to think (he can't be that bad). Need more posts.
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+ Show Spoiler +Hello, gl hf. @Gummy, yes, but not intentionally esoteric; in the digital, internet age nothing stays that way.
As this is "newbie" and Day 1, I would just ask that we be clear, concise, and focused. We should not be posting impulsively or without a purpose. Don't spam our own good points away.
That is to say, Gummy and paschl, I assume you are excited and want to do the most to be helpful; however, your initial back-and-forth seemed to me as distracting, reflexive, and spammy, which hardly helps us focus to start the game off.
My knee-jerk reaction to seeing your discussion felt like you two got online together with the intention of distracting us with your page long short post conversation where you immediately compliment one another and suggest the other is surely clean, fun, and innocent.
Posting random lists of people is actually suspicious as it creates a false illusion of being helpful while contributing nothing; especially in a short 9 player game.
Gummy's first posts include 'suspecting the size of the Mafia faction to be 2' to be helpful, when it is clear in the rules that there are indeed 2 Mafia and 7 Town. I don't mean to be rude, I just want to make sure for the sake of our survival that we all read the setup and rules thoroughly to avoid having to discuss things that are indeed facts not speculation.
i.e. FirmTofu asking something clearly stated in the setup rules.
@Gummy: I don't believe the framer can frame himself, just as the medic cannot heal himself, or the jailer jail himself, etc.
I would not jump to any conclusions about Ange because the first post lacked a sentence that explicitly role-claimed. We should read posts to analyze players' motives and let that inform us of their roles. Without a specific plan to use a claim to some end, claiming immediately serves no purpose. Everyone is going to claim Town without a specific flavor until it helps them somehow.
I suggest that if Claw stands by his medic claim, he keep the mafia uncertain of what he will do. Given Claw can't heal himself, it was bold to come forward, but the mafia cannot know if there is a jailer or another medic to protect Claw. To be honest though, I don't see the benefit he is seeking with the claim.
It is very dangerous to suggest detectives role claim immediately for you to heal, but maybe I'm misreading you.
Medics, protect whoever in the town is making the most sense.
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Alright. I'm sorry, I didn't catch that part of the OP.
I'm going to attempt to put ourselves in a good position going forward by claiming Town Detective.
Clawtrocity, I am going to assume your Medic claim is true and ask you to heal me.
This is a win-win situation for us and I'll tell you why.
1) If Clawtrocity is mafia, he will not want me dead because my death would imply he is not the medic. He is half of his team. My life for his is a great trade for town.
2) If Clawtrocity is medic, he will heal me and I am completely safe from death. Mafia will be afraid to attack me because they fear Claw is telling the truth.
3) If Clawtrocity is vanilla townie, mafia will still be afraid to attack me because they fear Claw to be the medic.
HOWEVER, there is one potential hole in my plan. Claw could be vanilla townie, and I may die tonight. If this occurs we will be in a very bad position going forward. I am confident that mafia will not make such a bold move because the chances of success are minimal.
Clawtrocity, I hope you're telling the truth.
I am not afraid of dying tonight. In order to round out this temporary alliance, I would ask that any other medics out there, please heal Clawtrocity. We should be safe for the time being.
I think this is a better way to protect our key roles than the 1/7 random chance of mafia choosing to kill me.
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I would like to reiterate that this will only be a 'temporary alliance' and we should treat it as such. Clawtrocity is by no means confirmed town and we shouldn't let that happen until we have sufficient evidence to believe it. If anyone sees any other holes in the plan that I have not encountered, please let me know ASAP.
Your move, mafia.
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DeMorcerf, where in the rules does it say its a 7/2 setup?
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And wow, i come from a totally different school of this game.
Where i come from this claiming on day1 would be considered atrocious.
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On April 28 2012 04:20 Mattchew wrote:Remember, three or fewer games played to sign up!Player List1.) dahdum
2.) Gummy
3.) AcesRequiem
4.) Matriarch
5.) DeMorcerf
6.) FirmTofu
7.) Clawtrocity
8.) paschl
9.) Ange777
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Replacements 2/2 Mafia Remaining ?/? Goon(s)?/? Roleblocker(s)?/? Framer(s)?/? Godfather(s)?/? Role cop(s)Mafia KP currently equals 17/7 Town??/?? Vanilla Townie(s)??/?? Detective(s)??/?? Medic(s)??/?? Jailkeeper(s)??/?? Vigilante(s)As usual, PM me for the observer QT, or if you wish to be listed as an official coach
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On May 01 2012 19:55 Gummy wrote:
##Vote Clawtrocity
There is no strategic reason to claim medic first turn. That is suicide if you cannot save yourself.
The way I see it, clawtrocity is:
1.) Useless
2.) A townie who is trying to take the bullet for the real medic. I have no reason to believe there would be two medics.
3.) Scum who is trying to cast away suspicion from himself.
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Yes. My questioning of Ange for her hesitation to roleclaim was disingenuous.
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We still haven't heard anything from AcesRequiem.
Just fyi, in case you vote me off, I currently suspect Clawtrocity and Paschl.
I am almost certain that
ange777
demorcef
dahdum
firmtofu
are good guys.
I believe Matriarch and AcesRequiem, so far, to be entirely useless.
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On May 01 2012 20:06 Gummy wrote:
Yes. My questioning of Ange for her hesitation to roleclaim was disingenuous.
So what were your intentions?
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Hello everyone. Sorry that I am posting so late in the game.
Having read through the entire thread here is my analyses. First off about the role claiming of both the blue roles: When we bring up the list paschl made for us, we can see that Town only once had the advantage of having both a detective and medic in their ranks. It seems very unlikely that this is the case in this game, but it's still a possiblity.
Now for the two of you role claiming the blue roles, there are some possible scenario's:
1) You are both scum. This seems very unlikely and it's a rare playstyle for scum to handle, but it's still possible.
2) One or both of you is/are lying. I have strong reasons to believe so. I think there's only one of you lying and that liar is possibly trying to take a bullet for the real blue roles to come into play. It's a good strategy but it has some disadvantages. First off, when you aren't who you claim to be and you do get killed/lynched, there will be a lot of confusion in the Town, which only benefits the mafia. Secondly, the real blue role is probably thinking the liar is speaking the truth and is making his moves based upon this. This would probably mean the blue role will protect the liar, thus not helping the town in any way with his abilities.
3) You are both speaking the truth. This would be a dream scenario for the Town, especially with the plan FirmTofu has come up with. This means the game will be over pretty quickly unless the mafia completely plays you and the Town.
I know I have been pretty inactive so far, I know this makes me pretty scummy, but please do believe me when I tell you I have a role of Vanilla Townie.
As for all the other posts.
Gummy - you seem like a pretty active and agressive Townie to me who doesn't hesitate to put all the players (thus the mafia) under pressure. You look legit.
paschl - you look like a friendly guy who wants to be nice to everyone, you haven't really attacked/been in a argument with anyone so far.
Ange777 - same as paschl, became defensive when Gummy made a comment about him.
Matriarch - no posts to speak of as of yet, please stop lurking and start posting!
dahdum - did the same as I did, share thoughts on people, except I attacked the two role claimers. You became inactive ever since. Please get the discussion started.
Demorcef - you look pretty Townie, not afraid to discuss with people.
And that's about it! Please feel free to discuss/argue with me and previous points made.
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Oh yea forgot to add, FirmTofu and Clawtrocity please try to convince me you have blue roles, otherwise you will receive my vote
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Alright i read over the few posts again.
Please let me know when im being unclear, the games here seem to have a different atmosphere to what im used to.
First off let me discuss the claiming going on.
I know this is a newbie game and people want to play as fancy as possible. But keep in mind this is a team game, think your actions through.
Everything has consequences.
Im not gonna talk about it in detail though since where i come from its a big no-no.
We shouldnt do the scums work unless its really important.
As of right now my list looks like this:
townies
Gummy - aggro early but aorn i think his intentions are good.
AcesRequiem - his posts about the claim seemed very townish for me.
DeMorcerf - especially the last paragraph in his post shows a towny line of thinking
neutral
Clawtrocity - aorn both Claw/FirmTofu are neutral to me.
FirmTofu
Ange777 - neutral, maybe slightly leaning scum but its just early tone.
Matriarch - basically nothing to go on but a slightly scumy opening
scumy
Dahdum - his first post is super vague, ill get into this next
On May 01 2012 14:04 dahdum wrote:
Hey all, great to get started. Here are my thoughts so far.
Gummy - Seems like he knows a lot of strategy, so I’d like to hear why he’s claiming vanilla town on the first day. From what I’ve read that’s strange.
If scum believes him, he increases chances of a power role dying.
If he claims anything later on, he’s a liar and liars get lynched.
He also requests a medic the first night (a waste on VT no?).
Paschl - Gives townie points quickly to Gummy and spreads the love around. Maybe just a nice guy, but seems too eager.
Agne777 - Apologizes for being bad, seems like a beginner and too defensive.
Matriarch - Claims VT and wishes for active posters (but isn’t one of them). Would like to hear her full thoughts on things.
Clawtrocity - Claiming medic right out of the gate doesn’t sound like mafia to me.
FirmTofu - The question he asks sounds like a terrible scum trying to imply medic, so I’m not sure what to think (he can't be that bad). Need more posts.
There is some sort of weirdness all over this post, i underlined some parts that sound particularly off.
He is making a lot of backhanded general sounding reads and gets out of thread right afterwards.
I smell mafioso meat!
Im used to having a slightly "fluffy" atmosphere early in games.
There is not much to talk about and even the weirdest conversations can be useful somewhere down the line.
The more scums post the more chances they have to slip up.
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