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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
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Gummy
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DO PEOPLE REALLY NOT UNDERSTAND HOW MAJORITY VOTING GAMES WORK!?!??!?!!? YOU ARE THROWING YOUR VOTE AWAY UNLESS YOUR VOTE IS GOING TOWARD THE MAJORITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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paschl
Germany666 Posts
Why would you counterclaim to a random medic claim early on day1? Why would you force other people to claim their role before that if youre the medic? The only situation where i could understand and agree with your play is if there was a chance you peeked claw mafia. I also understand that a medic claim in a setup where the roles arent know is easy to make as a wolf. BUT it will get him into endless trouble later. A new villager is way more likely to come up with some plan that sounds good in his head and will go for it. And yes, i know that youre gonna respond to this with something about your theory being optimal and my arguments being based on nothing. But i have played a few games and ive never seen anything like what youre describing happen. | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
Why would you force other people to claim their role before that if youre the medic? Since I have nonpublic information, I can discern information from role claims that others might not. I've already explained the reason behind putting pressure on people. Forcing people to do things they are not comfortable doing is the easiest way to get them to take belief-revealing actions. How does my play not make sense. Walk through the sequence I took through my shoes, taking one step at a time. Given the information I took in between posts and given the information I had being the medic, I've acted in a consistent manner the whole way through. In conclusion, my theory is optimal and your arguments are based on nothing. | ||
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paschl
Germany666 Posts
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
On May 03 2012 07:25 paschl wrote: So there is no chance claw makes the medic claim as a vanilla towny? There is no belief for which that play would be optimal except if he was scum. Think it through and this conclusion is obvious. | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
On May 01 2012 09:24 Clawtrocity wrote: I don't really understand the point behind forcing a role claim. Everyone will claim vanilla townie because that's the most common role and it's completely unprovable. It doesn't hide any roles because if everyone claims vanilla townie then everyone is up for attack. I'll go ahead and say that I don't like that strategy, but regardless I'll give actions a real role to claim. With the possibility of a jailkeeper or another Medic I'm fine in saying that I'm one of the medics. The best part is the Mafia won't attack me because they'll think I'm a vanilla townie trying to bite the bullet for the town. If the detective wants to claim I'll be here to heal him. We really just need to keep the detective alive for as long as possible because with so many non-power roles we'll be powerless eventually. I'd be wary of Gummy for being so aggressive so early on. He's most likely trying to accuse other people so if anyone tries to point fingers at him he can claim that they're protecting the person he's pressuring. That's a pretty shady tatic and with his confindence in himself going to his head he might be trouble. | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
On May 01 2012 09:24 Clawtrocity wrote: I don't really understand the point behind forcing a role claim. Everyone will claim vanilla townie because that's the most common role and it's completely unprovable. It doesn't hide any roles because if everyone claims vanilla townie then everyone is up for attack. I'll go ahead and say that I don't like that strategy, but regardless I'll give actions a real role to claim. With the possibility of a jailkeeper or another Medic I'm fine in saying that I'm one of the medics. The best part is the Mafia won't attack me because they'll think I'm a vanilla townie trying to bite the bullet for the town. If the detective wants to claim I'll be here to heal him. We really just need to keep the detective alive for as long as possible because with so many non-power roles we'll be powerless eventually. I'd be wary of Gummy for being so aggressive so early on. He's most likely trying to accuse other people so if anyone tries to point fingers at him he can claim that they're protecting the person he's pressuring. That's a pretty shady tatic and with his confindence in himself going to his head he might be trouble. | ||
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paschl
Germany666 Posts
On May 03 2012 07:27 Gummy wrote: There is no belief for which that play would be optimal except if he was scum. Think it through and this conclusion is obvious. Drawing nightkills is actually a needed skill for a good villager. If the mafia thinks he is the medic and he draws a nightkill it wouldve been an awesome play. I dont think it should be done every day1 of every game but a post like this in a setup like this should be in a townys range. Even after reading his post again i dont see it any different. Especially the "If the detective wants to claim I'll be here to heal him." is sooooooo too scumy to be scum. | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
APPEARING SCUMMY ONLY GETS YOU TARGETED IN DAY PLAY. YOU GET NO ADVANTAGE FOR APPEARING SCUMMY EVER. | ||
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paschl
Germany666 Posts
Im not saying he cant be a mafia because he wrote it but who do you think is more afraid to cop hunt itt? A mafia actually posting a phrase like that is so mindboggling i cant see it happen except in the rarest of cases. | ||
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paschl
Germany666 Posts
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
On May 03 2012 07:37 paschl wrote: Yes, there definitively is. Im not saying he cant be a mafia because he wrote it but who do you think is more afraid to cop hunt itt? A mafia actually posting a phrase like that is so mindboggling i cant see it happen except in the rarest of cases. So you're saying that you can trick the detective into wasting a turn on you by pretending to be scum. This helps the town how? | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
We aren't going to have a lynch today. I think both Claw and Gummy are town, and no one else has enough evidence on top of them for me to even consider lynching them. Get over yourself Gummy. There is no way you can deduce everyone's alignment from a handful of Day 1 posts. Let's wait a day and see if we get some REAL information. ##vote: No Lynch | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
I'm not saying it makes a whole lot of sense for scum to act scummy. I'm saying that there is only one conclusion we can draw from his being scummy. That he is scum. | ||
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paschl
Germany666 Posts
On May 03 2012 07:39 Gummy wrote: So you're saying that you can trick the detective into wasting a turn on you by pretending to be scum. This helps the town how? Youre not getting what i mean by too scumy to be scum. We have this thing on our forum where outed scum post lolcats when theyre getting lynched as to give nothing away. Its a tradition in the forum. Now someone goes ahead and makes his first post of the game a lolcat. What scum would ever do that? So you could assume he is a towny because a towny is more likely to just go ahead and post it. Similarly ive seen scum post screenshots of something with a seemingly random aim window called "scumchat" open. | ||
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
On May 03 2012 07:34 Gummy wrote: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BEING "too scummy to be scum." APPEARING SCUMMY ONLY GETS YOU TARGETED IN DAY PLAY. YOU GET NO ADVANTAGE FOR APPEARING SCUMMY EVER. By drawing attention in the daychat I'm being pressured into being lynched. That means killing me at night is stupid because I'll be killed during the day time. It's just as simple as not lynching people who act scummy on purpose and you succeed. No offense to you, but I do hope you're the one that gets shot because you're not the real medic so losing a vanilla townie isn't so bad. I have to heal Tofu just in case they try to pull any fishy things where they think I'm trying to make them target you so I can heal you at night. You're almost having a panic attack in the middle of the day just because people don't see something the way you see it. Calm down and look at the situation with open eyes. | ||
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