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Gummy
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2180 Posts
May 02 2012 15:40 GMT
#181
As a second condition to my ultimatum, any individual vote not directed at Claw prior to his receiving a majority will be sure not to get a save from me for however few nights that I am alive.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't.
paschl
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany666 Posts
May 02 2012 15:42 GMT
#182
Wow, is there a way to ignore someone?
Just think this trough Gummy, how pro town is what youre doing right now?

And in your posts you say that you hinted at being the medic before Claw claimed, could you point me to the post?
And again, how many forum mafia games have you played before? I just want to know how experienced you are.
Gummy
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2180 Posts
May 02 2012 15:43 GMT
#183
If anybody does not understand why I am being so aggressive, please see
this link.

Furthermore, the ultimatum serves as a computation simplifier for those players unwilling or unable to run through the logic I have presented. I have reduced the question of "how does Gummy's lie differ from Claw's lie and what can we infer about their intentions based upon those differences" to "Who would we rather have on our team going forward?"
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't.
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 19:52:28
May 02 2012 15:44 GMT
#184
Gummy please check the rules, in reference to this statement + Show Spoiler +
On May 03 2012 00:35 Gummy wrote:
Is there any way of making an ultimatum in this game? Since I'm not allowed to use a modkill as a bargaining chip, can I say "I will shut up for the rest of the game and post only enough not to get modkilled and vote #nolynch" every day thereafter unless you vote for XXXXX. If so....

I am making an ultimatum here. If Claw is not voted off today, then I will shut up for the rest of the game, only posting enough not to get modkilled. I will vote nolynch every day after this one if Claw is not voted off today. So make your choice between him or me. GL HF folks.
You must play to win.

Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.

This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.

Also, Firmtofu consider this as your first and final warning about editing. Do not edit your posts for any reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
AcesRequiem
Profile Joined March 2012
Belgium26 Posts
May 02 2012 15:59 GMT
#185
Alright took the time to read everything through carefully, here are my thoughts on things.

FirmTofu - You're looking less and less scummy to me. You had a good case going against Gummy, weren't afraid of being agressive, but he was able to give a semi-good reasoning for the actions you critized.

Clawtrocity - I feel like your emotions get the better of yourself and you are slipping quiet badly because Gummy is attacking you like that. Please reconsider your vote, because you don't have a terrible case going atm. I think you yourself realize that scum won't post/spam that actively in a maffia game, because they would be too afraid of posting too much. Let's say he is scum, then this part makes no sense at all:
At best he's a scum who'll lie and bullshit his way around until eventually getting lynched while his teammate sits in the back and does almost nothing.


Did you even think when you posted this? My answer is certainly no. Mafia wants to survive, not bullshit around and hope everyone will take them for an overactive townie. Even if the Town is falling into that trap you think Gummy has set up, still he's being way too much of a benefit to the town for him to be scum in my eyes.

My conclusion on you is that: a) you're either a Townie who wanted to be a martyr for a real blue role player (hence the role claim) and you are now trying to bait the mafia either more on you, which is horribly failing because Gummy is succesfulf in drawing all the attention to himself. This seems very unlikely.
b) you are a blue role, who is convinced Gummy is scum but you can't get out of your words that good or make a good case against him. More likely, but I don't think this is the way, because you look like a smart guy to me.
c) you're scum. This is the most likely option, because you have been defensive the entire game (only with your last game have you tried to make a case against Gummy and I believe that's out of entire desperation) and finger pointing to what other people do, so you should be able to those things aswell.

Ange777 - You entirely convinced me Gummy isn't scum with your defense for him. Nice analysis.

paschl - I have no clue at all why you are staying out of the "big" discussion and decided to vote on a complete silent player, please explain why you are suddenly distracted by Dahdum.

- Gummy - 100% Townie, please try to keep the thread spam and poll free.

I have seen that people have posted why I was writing this, will catch up to those posts now I can.

Pessimism of the intellect, Optimism of the will
Matriarch
Profile Joined April 2012
United States21 Posts
May 02 2012 16:07 GMT
#186
On May 03 2012 00:35 Gummy wrote:
I am making an ultimatum here. If Claw is not voted off today, then I will shut up for the rest of the game, only posting enough not to get modkilled. I will vote nolynch every day after this one if Claw is not voted off today. So make your choice between him or me. GL HF folks.



##vote:Gummy

That ultimatum just pushed Gummy from being an aggressive semi-believable town player to an anti-town scum in my eyes. Threatening town that if we don't do what he wants he won't help anymore? What die-hard town player (as he has tried to make himself look) would just check out because he doesn't get his way? None in my opinion. Sounds like scum trying to save himself.
AcesRequiem
Profile Joined March 2012
Belgium26 Posts
May 02 2012 16:10 GMT
#187
The why in my previous post should be a while, sorry about that. I'm sure there are plently more mistakes made there by me.

Back to the game at hand. Gummy, please, don't go for an annoying mode like this. You're just frustrated because noone seems to listen to you. And that is probably right since you spammed like 2 pages full and noone has ever responded except for paschl. Please be patient and wait for people to get active, then they will give their thoughts, critize or agree with your arguments and cast a vote themselves. No need to get into childish behaviour, please.
Pessimism of the intellect, Optimism of the will
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 02 2012 16:15 GMT
#188

Please bold votes type
"[b] ##vote: Mattchew[/b]" 

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Matriarch
Profile Joined April 2012
United States21 Posts
May 02 2012 16:18 GMT
#189
##vote: Gummy
paschl
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany666 Posts
May 02 2012 16:20 GMT
#190
Matriarch, what are your thoughts on the game as of right now?
Especially outside of Gummy since you already made a post about him.
AcesRequiem
Profile Joined March 2012
Belgium26 Posts
May 02 2012 16:24 GMT
#191
Matriarch, why would he be saving himself when noone has attacked hm yet? He's just getting frustrated at the game and the players because noone is listening to his arguments and therefor tries to seek his salvation into childish play which only frustrates us as the Town but also the mods. I agree that this ultimatum-strategy of him is only causing confusion in the Town, but I don't believe he did that with the purpose to harm the Town.

So the real question would be, are you scum who joins Claw's bandwagon or just a fooled Townie? You are going to need a lot more than it takes to have a strong case and good reason to vote on Gummy imo. To me it just looks like you want to get rid of him atm, that's why I strongly recomend you to think again about that vote and give better arguments why would lynch Gummy.
Pessimism of the intellect, Optimism of the will
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 02 2012 16:27 GMT
#192
This is really extreme Gummy. There could only be two possibilities:

1) You really are the medic and absolutely sure about him lying.
2) Claw is the real medic and you are desperate to kill him before someone reveals you as scum. Although this logic is flawed as everbody would blame you if Claw flipped blue. Or you are playing a huge mindgame and already calculated that possibility? God, this is just soo confusing ...

Anyway, bullying us townies is not the smartest move. It just makes your case against Claw more suspicous, as if you can't win our votes through reason and logical thinking.

What I am most interested in right now is Claw's defense. I'd like to hear some more about his reasoning for lying/or defending himself as the real medic before I cast my vote.

@Paschl:

On May 03 2012 00:42 paschl wrote:
And in your posts you say that you hinted at being the medic before Claw claimed, could you point me to the post?


After Claw claimed medic, Gummy voted Claw and then immediately posted the following WITHOUT directly claiming to be medic himself.

On May 01 2012 20:04 Gummy wrote:
The way I see it, clawtrocity is:
1.) Useless
2.) A townie who is trying to take the bullet for the real medic. I have no reason to believe there would be two medics.
3.) Scum who is trying to cast away suspicion from himself.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 02 2012 16:29 GMT
#193
[g]How much time do we have left until voting ends?[/g]
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 02 2012 16:29 GMT
#194
Too stupid for BBCode sorry ...

How much time do we have left until voting ends?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Matriarch
Profile Joined April 2012
United States21 Posts
May 02 2012 16:41 GMT
#195
As of right now I believe either Gummy or Claw to be scum because of their conflicting claims.
The reason I voted for Gummy and not Claw is because of his desperate behavior his last few posts. I understand that it can be seen as him being frustrated that no one is listening to him but to me threatening us is NOT town play.
Because it is only Day one and we have been going over and over the same couple points (i.e. role claiming, and game setup) it has been hard to get a solid read on anyone imo.
My vote stands for Gummy right now because of his outrageous anti-town threats.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 02 2012 16:43 GMT
#196


DEADLINE IS 00:00 GMT (+00:00)

Votes after this time will not count

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
dahdum
Profile Joined May 2010
United States46 Posts
May 02 2012 18:10 GMT
#197
This thread has gotten even more confusing overnight, but I'm going with my analysis so far:

Gummy - Townie, I can't seem him being scum but I don't think he's helping much with the back and forth.

Claw - Unsure, but I stand by my comment earlier that we don't gain by lynching him.

Matriarch - Likely scum, very quiet so far and only analysis was her defense of her Gummy vote, in which she claims he's actually scum.

Paschl - Got caught up in flame war, posts a lot of what-if and theory that doesn't help the game I think. Votes to lynch me, not sure what to think.

FirmTofu - Claimed a role hard to fake, so I don't see the point in voting for him.

Town: Ange77,Demorcef,AcesRequiem


Since Matriarch hasn't contributed much analysis and votes to lynch Gummy, I'm going with her. Sounds like scum keeping a low profile, at worst a townie who won't contribute. Demorcef is also a low poster, but is providing sound analysis.
##vote: Matriarch

My scum suspicion goes from:
Matriarch -> Claw -> Paschl
AcesRequiem
Profile Joined March 2012
Belgium26 Posts
May 02 2012 19:26 GMT
#198
Since Clawtrocity isn't answering on any of the posts anymore and I'm pretty convinced he is scum for reasons stated above.

##Vote: Clawtrocity
Pessimism of the intellect, Optimism of the will
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 19:54:37
May 02 2012 19:50 GMT
#199
Votecount:

Clawtrocity (2) - AcesRequiem, Gummy
gummy (2)- matriach, clawtrosity
Matriarch (1)- dahdum
dahdum (1)- paschl

With 9 Alive its 5 to lynch, currently no one is set to be lynch. Please PM me or Mattchew if you see any mistakes. A little over 4 hours until the voting deadline
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Matriarch
Profile Joined April 2012
United States21 Posts
May 02 2012 19:52 GMT
#200
We aren't supposed to analyze behavior? I thought I did that with my vote for Gummy. Because of his behavior I voted for him.
I don't believe I should post just a list of everyone in the game and tell what I think about them when there are only a few very active players. My list would be short and without any real information that hasn't been stated and re-stated by someone else.
I will say again that I believe that either Gummy or Claw are scum. I vote Gummy because of his behavior and threats not to help the rest us with the scum hunt just because he isn't getting his way. Does that not seem like an anti-town stand to take?
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