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also i doubted it was scum, because none of the actual information was removed.
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Acrofales
Spain17868 Posts
also i doubted it was scum, because none of the actual information was removed. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17868 Posts
On May 15 2012 02:33 Carolus Magnus wrote: Claiming voting power is really stupid and shouldn't be discussed at all right now Why is it stupid? 1. Scum shooting people with voting power is pointless: the titles get redistributed by the emperor. 2. It allows us to possibly catch people lying about what voting power they have by looking at what they voted (long shot, unless people cooperate with a plan, which I don't see happening). 3. It allows us a better picture of who is actually getting lynched, rather than who has the most people voting for him. Enlighten me why this is bad. | ||
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Carolus Magnus
France172 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17868 Posts
On May 15 2012 02:47 Carolus Magnus wrote: Because even if they don't shoot the players right now, they will know where the roles are and can later on, if there is ever a mafia emperor, shoot them. If we want to claim voting power, might as well mass claim. No. There may be all kinds of roles like Kurumi's that are not inherited and we don't want them dead. A simple "no royal title or other voting power" is fine to keep mafia in the dark as to what people actually are. Hell, if you have a PR that says you have 1 voting power, claim viscount for all I care. I just think this (possible) extra tool is a good way to catch more scum. Only problem with a claim is if someone claims and is married to scum. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On May 15 2012 02:37 Caller wrote: im piecoo yup he is piecoo | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17868 Posts
On May 15 2012 02:49 Carolus Magnus wrote: Also they will know exactly what the vote counts are, while we won't. While it's technically possible to catch people at lying, we will be missing too much information most of the time for that to be useful and coordinating like that isn't going to happen. Ah, so plans are only good if YOU come up with them. The same information asymmetry was there in SSM. Scum was too lame to take advantage of it, but with WBG being trusted, they really should have. Instead they made up dumb lies about fake items and got caught. Will this plan 100% guaranteed catch us scum? No. But it could. It's a lot more likely to be useful to town than to scum, because we're more and this allows us to coordinate better. | ||
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Carolus Magnus
France172 Posts
On May 15 2012 03:02 Acrofales wrote: Ah, so plans are only good if YOU come up with them. The same information asymmetry was there in SSM. Scum was too lame to take advantage of it, but with WBG being trusted, they really should have. Instead they made up dumb lies about fake items and got caught. Will this plan 100% guaranteed catch us scum? No. But it could. It's a lot more likely to be useful to town than to scum, because we're more and this allows us to coordinate better. That was a PM game, we disagree with this plan but that doesn't mean we are right. You could be wrong, we are just expressing our opinion on it so don't be offended | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On May 15 2012 03:07 Carolus Magnus wrote: Note that I actually think mass claiming could work, but I'm afraid of Caller doing something about it what's the worst thing that could happen, me swapping all your roles tomorrow? | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On May 15 2012 03:07 Carolus Magnus wrote: Note that I actually think mass claiming could work, but I'm afraid of Caller doing something about it this is a highly unstable opinion from a hydra of two players that are normally very sure of themselves | ||
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Mattchew
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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YES_THIS_IS_DOG
United States88 Posts
I think Bluelightz is town, Carlos explained it pretty well here. I'm not sure about Mattchew's alignment, he could be scum but I don't really see a scum motivation for being as stupid as he is. But that is all WIFOM. Forumite has stepped up his play and I'm willing to lay off my pressure on him. I agree that Adam should probably be left off to imperial lynch. Normally it's better to not vote for lurkers in any game because they gave us little information. I'm really not sure who is scum at this point. I'll read through filters and try to find some options. Also Bluelightz I'll marry you. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On May 15 2012 03:10 Caller wrote: what's the worst thing that could happen, me swapping all your roles tomorrow? You could kill us all with fire or you could be a liar | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17868 Posts
S&B, how about you? | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On May 15 2012 03:57 Acrofales wrote: Yo, Dog! Do you have voting power? S&B, how about you? Do you have any reads on people other than Adam? I want to look into people but I have been "tunneled" on bluelightz and jitsu so hard, that everyone else looks like mother Teresa... I might even present a case! | ||
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YES_THIS_IS_DOG
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Acrofales
Spain17868 Posts
Jitsu's filter still confuses me. But I have reread his rants against me with a clearer head. I still get the feeling he is misinterpreting my posts, but it feels as if he actually did misread my posts. He seems angry at the length of the thread and unwilling to put in the time to read. That is scummy, but not as scummy as intentionally misrepresenting stuff to make it look bad. On top of that, he seemed at a loss who to vote for and threw in his vote with the sinani lynch. This is a null read now that sinani has flipped scum: if he's scum and wanted to buss a scumbuddy, why not do it properly and vote maju? At the time jitsu voted, the lynch was a done deal. Other than that, his filter just doesn't have enough content for me to get a read one way or another. However, at least he is playing a bit. If we are lynching people for lack of activity, lets lynch The_Bard (in addition to Adam, who is lurker lynch target no. 1). I have some slight suspicions of Opz. Some stuff he's done rubs me the wrong way. He casts suspicion on Carolus for being a hydra. Being a hydra doesn't make someone scum, nor does Opz ever explain why he dislikes hydras, he just states that he hates them and would policy lynch or shoot them if he could. He tells P-Body to claim, in response to P-Body having a filter filled with hex. It makes no sense why a full claim would be more believable than "Caller hates me and forces me to post in hex". Not sure what to think of this, but is explainable as scum trying to bluefish. Finally, his whole voteswitching thing "to trap people" is about as believable as MrPotatohead's trap. The only thing is that Opz has been around long and should know better. The rest of his filter looks townie to me. So yeah, also not a good lynch candidate. Finally, YES_THIS_IS_DOG faked a retarded posting restriction and might deserve to be shot for shitting up the thread with his arfs, but I find the actual content of his posts acceptable and he has stopped trying to communicate in morse code. So once again, not lynch worthy. The rest of the people actually posting all look townier than these (or in the case of Mattchew, too good a player to lynch based on my vague suspicions). So I am in favour of lynching into our giant heap of lurkers, unless someone else found something I didn't. As for lurkers, I obviously like an Adam lynch. A The_Bard lynch sounds like a great idea too. Strike Erandorr off the list by virtue of a green check. V7 for meta reasons: in GoT mafia, Curu went to great lengths to replace Gumshoe, while just modkilling a townie who afk'd out of the game, because "modkilling mafia hurts the game more than modkilling town". Now I know not all hosts are the same, but out of the non-voters that makes V7 the scummiest. | ||
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