EPTOverall his play has been much better this game, but then he goes and lies in such a way that is impossible to deny, and then admits it (which he had no choice). He has a reason for doing it (which it's good he's posted) and I can believe him. I'm not sure if I do though, so he needs to get very involved in what's going on now - I don't think we can accept any lurking at all from him.
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
Overall his play has been much better this game, but then he goes and lies in such a way that is impossible to deny, and then admits it (which he had no choice). He has a reason for doing it (which it's good he's posted) and I can believe him. I'm not sure if I do though, so he needs to get very involved in what's going on now - I don't think we can accept any lurking at all from him. | ||
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SexDoll
United States44 Posts
town > scum SexDoll Marvellosity The_Zen_Man Mordanis WhySoMuch Pure-SC2 Lazermonkey nreekay324 | ||
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Lazermonkey
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The_Zen_Man
Sweden202 Posts
On April 27 2012 13:33 O.Golden_ne wrote: Good Morning. I'm going to give my opinion on the recent voting events. My initial opinion on a first day lynch was that it was a bad idea to avoid a lynch for the sake of being scared of a mis-lynch. This opinion still stands, however i feel that with such little posting from everyone its very hard to get a good read on anyone making it very easy to mafia to twist the voting without seeming suspicious. I would postulate to everyone who hasn't voted yet to hold off until closer to the deadline and let everyone who has voted thoroughly explain themselves. I'm not against anyone's votes yet, however i am against voting without any obvious critical analysis out in the open. I want to see where you're coming from. Please show me. When i open filters, for example nreekay's; I see very little posting or speculating and then the start of a bandwagon against Whysomuch. I've seen yomi's play before and i understand he likes to be aggressive, and i like his aggression.. i just hope it isn't misplaced aggression and i want him to explain to me why he has picked WhySoMuch other than for his pro-first-day-lynch attitude and his contrary views on the percentages of lynching. i think you have to pick your battles and maybe lynching people with opposing views might not be the key, opposing views lead to discussion, which leads to correct eviction. @Jailbreaker - why the vote for yomi? please explain. @yomi - can you explain to me your position on whysomuch @nreekay - you have confused me greatly with such an unreasoned vote, please explain @whysomuch - i understand your suspicion for the_zen_man, but do you think it is grounds for a lynching? how strongly do you feel he is mafia? @the_zen_man - please rebut to why_so_much not with a vote but with a clear explanation of your innocence and your views on the people voting for whysomuch. Golden This was O.Golden_ne first post were he posted about other players. It may have been because of the early game, but he is not really contributing much here at all, just asking for peoples opinions and answers. He also tries to be the mediator, someone who posts a lot, but is not really adding much. On April 27 2012 15:05 O.Golden_ne wrote: I agree Jailbreaker, we definitely need some more discourse on people actions. If you feel this voting for yomi will pressure that conversation to happen then i'm happy for you to do that. I also see this vote as a defence of WhySoMuch from Nreekay and Yomi's 'vampires&werewolves' related votes. I really need to hear from these two as soon as possible, with as much detail as they can provide. I want these votes to have a basis rather than being emotional or defensive votes. Nreekay and Yomi if you two are town you've a strange way of showing it. To me Town is represented by clear, concise and reasoned posts with references and the goal of enlightening the group. Voting for the sake of voting creates an atmosphere of defensive attitudes and alot of misplaced suspicions, please explain your motive. Still waiting from answers from several people. Golden. Here golden tries to make his mediator role more solid, as he is advicing yomi and Nreekay on how a townie should act. Again, not adding much, just asking for others opinions. On April 27 2012 16:27 O.Golden_ne wrote: Thank you for posting Jailbreaker. Okay so you feel yomi's vote is for WhySoMuch is due to his lurking. Just to shed some light on the matter, is it your opinion that an agressive stance towards lurkers (yomi) is less favourable than someone who would jump on a bandwagon such as that so easily? (nreekay). Perhaps the small shred of logic yomi has shown in his lurking argument makes him less suspicious than Nreekay? I'm just speculating at the moment, still a while to go before i cast any personal judgement. Golden Again, he is not contributing that much, only asking for other peoples opinions. He acts like someone who is contributing much, and although he post more than most players he does not add much. This probably led many players to see him as one of the "leaders" of this game. On April 28 2012 01:54 O.Golden_ne wrote: Hi everyone, So i've sat back and had a thought about how things are looking and here is my current read. I'm going to post my opinions before bed now, and then cast my vote tomorrow based on any discussion that ensues in the next few hours. Currently my top 3 suspects: 1. Nreekay324 Filter 2. AcesAnoka Filter 3. Jailbreaker Filter Reasoning: Nreekay has been very elusive. He has lurked, and then jumped on someone else's vote in a fashion that leads me to think he was aiming for a bandwagon. He has had ample time to rebut to any accusations and explain his position on WhySoMuch but has still yet to be heard from. Lurking and impulse voting, i would be happy to lynch him if he can't seriously change his act. AcesAnoka opened with some confusing statements, then lurked hard. While i understand one can't be active 24/7 i still feel like everything he has posted has been fairly fluffy with not much of substance to it. My read on his vote on yomi is that of the two (arguabley) most suspicious player (atleast, most talked about so far) yomi and nreekay, he would prefer to pick yomi: perhaps because if nreekay is mafia he wants to keep him alive. I feel nreekay appears far more scummy than yomi, and there may be a slight correlation between these two characters. JailBreaker's stance on yomi is reasoned on his assault on "lurkers". I felt this to be fairly aggressive play for mafia, thats why he is below the previous two. However the logic in his argument against yomi seems flawed, it appears he has targeted him solely for bandwagoning. His largest post to date appears that he is trying to appear helpful (a recurring theme) without doing a whole lot. For Jailbreaker to 'break' out of my 3rd place scum it wouldn't be hard, he would need to add a little more depth to his posting. Thoughts everyone? I'm reserving judgement on yomi at the present time, though his aggro play leads me to believe him to be town. His style is similar to Jailbreakers albeit it more active than re-active. The active nature makes him less suspicious to me then Jailbreakers. Currently i'm probably skeptical on yomi and he's probably next under JailBreaker. @Splinter, @WhySoMuch, @PureSC2 i get town vibes from you three, don't let me down.. @Mordanis you seem town though i'm watching you very closely as you appear very guarded. @Veriat @LazerMonkey You puzzle me. Get active or i'll start scrutinizing you alot harder and get a proper read on you. This post might seem like he is adding stuff, but he is really just sumarizing or writing facts that are known to most players. He is adding very little. Also, he complains on others not contributing, and although he has posted much he has not helped much either. He later post about his hesitation in voting for Veriat, but in the end he post this: On April 29 2012 06:12 O.Golden_ne wrote: @Mordanis I am willing to vote for Veriat. I've said this several times. Look, we've got one hour left.. as Veriat is on my list so i'll change my vote. I am happy to lynch him based on his general lack of team play, evident in his posts and mainly his lurking. To make this last hour easier for town i'll post my vote now so that it is confirmed. However before i do this remember that no matter what the outcome of todays lynch we have to consider Nreekay and AcesAnoka. I still have strong reads on these players and i will cross-reference their actions to how the lynch pans out when i am better rested. If Veriat flips town i will want to question those pushing for Veriats lynch over AcesAnoka. If Veriat flips mafia perhaps our town will be a little more unified. Either way, we will have one less voter and one less lurker. Here comes the end of our first day. ##Unvote AcesAnoka ## Vote: Veriat It is true that he voted for Veriat, but that does not make him clear from suspicions. Golden might have seen Veriat as dead anyways (he did have 6 votes already) and decided to vote for him as a late vote would look better than a vote on someone else. He later says that his reason fot the late vote was because he was more suspicous of Aces. On April 29 2012 13:38 O.Golden_ne wrote: Holy crap, I was just away from my computer and I'm not sure if im delirious from these strange hours I've been keeping but I've had a thought and rushed back to check the thread. Please hear me out, I know it's night and it makes it a very dangerous time to be posting something like this for fear of getting shot but i really want to put it out there regardless. Here goes. So AcesAnoka wasn't modkilled, perhaps this is because it would have led to TWO mafia being killed in the first day which is almost unheard of. Leaves me open to a snipe tonight but I will be asking everyone for their support In a lynch of AcesAnoka in day 2. Thoughts? Golden Then comes this. I am not sure why he posted this at night. He did not push much for Veriats lynch, and voted for him reluctantly in the end, so you can't blame it on him getting his thoughts out in fear of getting killed. Maybe this is an attempt to get a mislynch, as suspicouns of Aces was already high since the vote. Then there is a lot of going back and forth with him and WhySoMuch, which i will not get into. And then: [B]On May 03 2012 22:09 O.Golden_ne wrote: Sorry guys, personal life has been crazy the last few days and i'm afraid i have to pull out of this Mafia game.  i'm sorry everyone, things have just been crazy at home and i'm starting my new job this week and i really didn't realise how much thinking this game takes up. sorry, i hope a replacement can be found. I've PM'd artanis/ It is very strange for people to leave this late in the game, as most of those people often leve early. Maybe this is a action done out of fear from the suspicoins that was rising against him. Maybe his scum bro convinced him that a replacement of him would benefit the mafia, as suspicoins of him might decreace. Making this post has made me more suspicous of golden, and in turn sexdoll. That is why i will vote for him now. [b]##Vote: SexDoll | ||
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The_Zen_Man
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SexDoll
United States44 Posts
Read through all of his posts and the element of trying to figure things out isn't there. He's going through the motions and doing what he can to appear like he's hunting scum. Some things that stuck out for me were that: 1) he doesn't mention Veriat AT ALL on d1 2) once Veriat flips scum he tries to do a spew analysis which is a very easy thing for a scum to do because a lot of it will be very very subjective and it allows him to tailor his reads very easily to his own agenda. Not that reading for spew is inherently scummy, it's just that it's often the case that if the bulk of someone's work is spew analysis, theyre more likely to be scum. 3) he does stuff where he goes back and explains what he was thinking at a prior time. This is ANOTHER thing that scum can and will do often. This allows him to do something for a scummy reason, then go back and reverse engineer an explanation for his actions that evidence him being towny. 4) his weird vote on whysomuch at the very start of the game and his subsequent jokey explanation once he got heat for it. (he first gave some cursory explanation, then said it was just because he doesn't like twilight) But really the read comes from a lack of genuine participation in scum hunting. I also get teh feeling that the only person actually entertaining the idea that I'm not scum is the guy who made teh big case on golden, Marv. And that's not very good | ||
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WhySoMuch
132 Posts
On May 05 2012 03:35 SexDoll wrote: yoyoyoyoyo WSM thoughts on enrique He's in a POE of mafia candidates imo. You/Lazer/nreekay has the wolf team in it a lot of the time. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
[QUOTE]On April 27 2012 13:33 O.Golden_ne wrote: [QUOTE]On May 03 2012 22:09 O.Golden_ne wrote: Sorry guys, personal life has been crazy the last few days and i'm afraid i have to pull out of this Mafia game. i'm sorry everyone, things have just been crazy at home and i'm starting my new job this week and i really didn't realise how much thinking this game takes up. sorry, i hope a replacement can be found. I've PM'd artanis/ [/QUOTE]It is very strange for people to leave this late in the game, as most of those people often leve early. Maybe this is a action done out of fear from the suspicoins that was rising against him. Maybe his scum bro convinced him that a replacement of him would benefit the mafia, as suspicoins of him might decreace. Making this post has made me more suspicous of golden, and in turn sexdoll. That is why i will vote for him now. ##Vote: SexDoll [/QUOTE] Wouldn't this be like, as much WIFOM as it could possibly get? | ||
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WhySoMuch
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SexDoll
United States44 Posts
On May 05 2012 03:55 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm sorry for not posting in a while, I've been really busy IRL. Will be posting as fast as I can now! Is this supposed to be sarcastic? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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The_Zen_Man
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
Regarding The_Zen_Man - I feel my post was very rushed two days ago. What I meant to say was that The_Zen_Man didn't deserve his "untouchable" status he gained after D1. While it may be WIFOM to discuss I feel it is a great possibilty that he posted a case on Veriat in order to look contrubuting and all. That was how I feelt two days ago. After the day one lynch he have always been the one who jumps on teh bandwagon. First with WhySoMuch, when the vote then swang he quickly were in favor of a lynch Jailbreaker. He then jumps on SexDoll woth only a few hours left to post. His only arguement against Golden seems either to be WIFOM or saying that he wasn't contributing. All in all, if SexDoll flips scum I will be convinced that he is town. If not, I am quite positive to that he is scum. | ||
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SexDoll
United States44 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:18 Lazermonkey wrote: Reading through the thread I see most people are suspicious of Golden/SexDoll. I wasn't sure that he was scum before but reading what everyones been posting I feel more convinced now than before. I havn't really been able to find any new things on him tho. I'm okay with voting him tho, as I still feel he have passed WhySoMuch on my scum-list. Regarding The_Zen_Man - I feel my post was very rushed two days ago. What I meant to say was that The_Zen_Man didn't deserve his "untouchable" status he gained after D1. While it may be WIFOM to discuss I feel it is a great possibilty that he posted a case on Veriat in order to look contrubuting and all. That was how I feelt two days ago. After the day one lynch he have always been the one who jumps on teh bandwagon. First with WhySoMuch, when the vote then swang he quickly were in favor of a lynch Jailbreaker. He then jumps on SexDoll woth only a few hours left to post. His only arguement against Golden seems either to be WIFOM or saying that he wasn't contributing. All in all, if SexDoll flips scum I will be convinced that he is town. If not, I am quite positive to that he is scum. give examples about the bolded as quickly as possible please | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On May 03 2012 21:57 The_Zen_Man wrote: Lazermonkey, i don't know exactly what to make of this. I will leave the d1 lynch part for anylyzing later, now i want to answer to your "suspicions agansit me. Basically, you say that altough i made a case and voted for Veriat early i am suspicous because i didn't push for the lynch. This makes no sense, why would i write a case and vote for him if i didn't want him lynched? Also, i have only posted one post about WhySoMuch, not tunneled him that hard. The reason i choose him is because i dind't have that strong scum reads on anyone else. But if you want me to go on other people too i can do that. I can start with you. Pure wrote a post including many suspicous things, and reading it made me very suspicous of you. Also, reading this post made me suspicous as well. I, like pure and WhySoMuch, also saw the "Watched the drama on the phone" thing, and now you say that you went to sleep 22.00? As for the D1 lynch it could be explained in two ways. 1). You were were throwing suspicion at basically everyone at this point. You wanted to look like you were contributing and thus you posted at Veriat aswell, thinking that noone would care about your case. And if Veriat eventually would flip scum you could have some sort of insurance that you would look like town. 2). It was planed all along with Veriat himself. As for analysing other players, you never posted anything after this post. And yes, I know the phone-thing was noobish like hell but you are quoting Pure atm. Is this your only analysis of me? | ||
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