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Alright, this is the succession of posts that make Veriat look really dba
On April 28 2012 18:03 Veriat wrote:
Ok i know i have the lowest post count, but be mindfull that this is my first forum mafia game. And the reasoning behind my "only agreeing and disagreeing" posts, is because many of my thoughts have already been posted, so posting it again would just be repition, which most of the posts in the earlier pages pretty much were. And each time i go to check on the game, it has expand with a few pages, so there's been a lot of information to go through. So (watch out another agreement!) i would agree that i indeed do look very scummy atm.
But this was just an explanation on my behavior, i'll have my analysis posted soonish.
We need rto hear your thoughts. It is important that we know where you stand on people talked about in the thread, even if someone has already said it. I highly doubt you are having the same exact thoughts on the same people for the same reasons, and you can always add to the discussion by stating your thoughts.
The 2nd underlined, idk, I dont like the fact that you added the stuff in the perenthesis, just seems unecessary but meh, this post isn't wolfy, but putting this with the following post makes it look really bad.
Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum:
The_Zen_Man
nreekay324
Jailbreaker
The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote.
nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him?
Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts.
Your reasoning on The_Zen man is his stance on the "lynch no lynch" was the same exact stance you had. So idk why that would make you think he's a mafia. You see I could think that, cause we have opposing views on the matter, but you two were both on the side of "no lynch" so that doesn't make sense.
Your reasoning on nreekay, you called my playstyle off therefore why is it unreasonable for someone to vote me? How can I have an off play style and not be considered a mafia? That part is contradicting.
Your 3rd mafia read, Jailbreaker, I'm just calling shenanigans on this, why don't you point out the flaws?
Overall, there were no original thoughts in his reads and they were all sponges, which make sense because that's what he said in his earlier post. But what DOESN'T make sense, is that his sponges don't match his posts. His reasoning doesn't match up with what he says earlier, meaning that he is sponging just to sponge and not thinking about it.
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I posted a case on Acec yesterday. Waited with my vot because I wanted to see other peoples opinions. Noone is yet to convice me that there is a better target than him tho. thus my vote...
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WTF Jailbreaker
You've completely switched your stance from
Oh, the Drama! We're stuck on a spaceship with close quarters.
Lazermonkey - Day one is the most important day to analyze. Even though it is a noob game, work needs to be done.
Pure-SC2 - The no lynch is a terrible idea. Misslynch is collateral damage. It happens.
I'm not playing the hate mafia squad, I dont want to get thrown out the air lock on the first day.
and
with all this nonsense talk about scheduals and lynch/no lynch, we're forgetting about the real issue here:
THERE'S MAFIA SCUM AMONG US.
I know it is day one, but does it have to be so passive? I don't want to vote for the wrong person based on three posts
and then making one of the first votes based on just a few hours of posts, now you are saying this
You switch to being against "bandwaggoning"? At this point, we need a full majority of 7 players to lynch. If you are against no-lynch, then you need to vote for one fo the 2 players whom most people are voting to lynch. It's fairly simple logic, so I'd ask you to either A) vote for someone who has a realistic chance of being elected lynched, or B) come out and tell us that you are against a lynch today. We have 3 hours and 45 minutes left, it's time to get ourselves organized. Hell, it's past time to get ourselves organized.
@ PureSC2,
Both Veriat and Aces have gone lurking for 24 hrs+. This only harms the town. We need to be a unified group, and they are completely ruining any chance of that if they are town. If they are mafia, then we score a hit and they are down to three. Either way, town is much better off with them dead than alive. I switched my vote because we need 7 players to lynch. I think that both of the players who have a realistic chance of being lynched are more harm to the town than help whether they are town or mafia, so I want one of them out, so we can have a hope of becoming a unified team capable of taking down the mafia. Also, Aces has sort of dropped out of the thread at the most important time so far. The harm that's causing if he's town (distracting from the real mafia) is enough that we don't really want to worry about him in the future.
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Also, Veriat, Who are your town reads at the moment.
Town reads are more important than Mafia reads.
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If it's down to AcecAnoka and Veriant, then I find Veriant most suspicious.
He has a weak case on The_Zen_Man which even after building on, doesn't really say anything to make me see what he is getting at. The basis of it is that The_Zen_Man is fishy, and was overly defensive. So in the back and forth between Veriant and The_Zen_Man, I get a stronger town read on The_Zen_Man and thought his case on Veriant had some good merit.
When I look at Veriant's filter I see these constant attempts to fit in with everyone else without really contributing. When he did finally contribute there was no substance, just feeding off other peoples posts. It's not looking good.
AcecAnoka looks suspicious, I'd have to agree with that. I haven't heard enough from him to push for a lynch unless we're lynching him for lurking, but at this stage as he doesn't have a vote he is liable to be mod killed.
I'm curious where Yomi is at and what he thinks of todays developments.
##vote: Veriat
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Vote Count - 2 hours 15 minutes hours to go
Veriat: (3): yomi, The_Zen_Man, WhySoMuch
The_Zen_Man (1): Veriat
Yomi (1): Jailbreaker
AcesAnoka (4): O.Golden_ne, Splinter[eP], Lazermonkey, Mordanis
WhySoMuch (1): nreekay324
Haven't voted (1): Pure-SC2
A majority of at least 7 players is required to lynch. If one is not reached, no one will be lynched. Everyone is required to vote. Please PM me or use the Bolded and Green text if this Vote Count is incorrect
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So right now, unless Aces comes back before the votes are finalized, he will be modkilled? The voting section said that you may not abstain, but it didn't list any penalty...
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On April 29 2012 04:40 Mordanis wrote:
So right now, unless Aces comes back before the votes are finalized, he will be modkilled? The voting section said that you may not abstain, but it didn't list any penalty...
Not necessarily modkilled, But i will discuss that possibility with artanis
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Vote Count - 2 hours 15 minutes hours to go
Veriat: (4): yomi, The_Zen_Man, WhySoMuch, Pure-SC2
The_Zen_Man (1): Veriat
Yomi (1): Jailbreaker
AcesAnoka (4): O.Golden_ne, Splinter[eP], Lazermonkey, Mordanis
WhySoMuch (1): nreekay324
Haven't voted (1):AcesAnoka
A majority of at least 7 players is required to lynch. If one is not reached, no one will be lynched. Everyone is required to vote. Please PM me or use the Bolded and Green text if this Vote Count is incorrect
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AcesAnoka doesn't have a vote right now - it wasn't reflected in the vote count
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It's 5:38am where I am, i'm pulling an all nighter to correct my horrible sleeping patterns! Laddering hard to try to get to masters (ugh my ZvP is horrid). I'll be here for the lynch it seems. Though my comprehension at the moment is a little sub-par i'll try and function coherently!
On April 29 2012 04:03 WhySoMuch wrote:
Golden, Mordanis, Lazer: Would you be willing to switch to Veriat? The_Zen has posted his case, and also if you go back and read his posts on your own, what do you think?
Veriat is my current 3rd scum-read, i would be happy to see him lynched. His behaviour and activity level isn't great as stated by several of the others. I cannot tell if he is town or mafia, but as a lurker i find him useless in the debate. In his inactivity lies his downfall, however with AcesAnoka and Nreekay it is their activity that has brought about my suspicions. Which leads me to question everyone in particular those voting for Veriat. If it comes down to AcesAnoka and Veriat do we lynch the flip-flop impulse voters who lurk and post fluff, or the absent veriat who 'stands firm' in his vote with the_zen_man and has otherwise done little.
I will change votes only until you can show me AcesAnoka is less of a threat than Veriat.
a very sleepy Golden.
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Since last time I regretted changing my vote so quickly, I'll hold of for a while, but I just wanted to say that I support a lynch for Veriat much more than a lynch of Aces. I will however, vote for whoever has the most votes between them because, as I've already posted several times, I think they are both harmful to the town either way. So please, people who are around, start working together to do something.
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@O.Golden_ne - I think that Veriat has been shown to be more suspicious that AcesAnoka in what has already been posted.
I'm not saying AcesAnoka doesn't look suspicious because he most certainly does, but Veriats filter plays out like someone trying hard to fit in with everyones views, has avoided posting anything original (until essentially forced into it), and when he did it was weak and lacking any substance. All of which I can see a scummy motivation behind.
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On April 29 2012 04:50 O.Golden_ne wrote:It's 5:38am where I am, i'm pulling an all nighter to correct my horrible sleeping patterns! Laddering hard to try to get to masters (ugh my ZvP is horrid). I'll be here for the lynch it seems. Though my comprehension at the moment is a little sub-par i'll try and function coherently! Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 04:03 WhySoMuch wrote:
Golden, Mordanis, Lazer: Would you be willing to switch to Veriat? The_Zen has posted his case, and also if you go back and read his posts on your own, what do you think? Veriat is my current 3rd scum-read, i would be happy to see him lynched. His behaviour and activity level isn't great as stated by several of the others. I cannot tell if he is town or mafia, but as a lurker i find him useless in the debate. In his inactivity lies his downfall, however with AcesAnoka and Nreekay it is their activity that has brought about my suspicions. Which leads me to question everyone in particular those voting for Veriat. If it comes down to AcesAnoka and Veriat do we lynch the flip-flop impulse voters who lurk and post fluff, or the absent veriat who 'stands firm' in his vote with the_zen_man and has otherwise done little. I will change votes only until you can show me AcesAnoka is less of a threat than Veriat. a very sleepy Golden.
Hi.
I take it you don't really like Aces. I'm sorry. I can't prove to you that Aces isn't scum, or that Veriat is. What I can say is that they are both very suspicious and they are both harming the town with their lurking. What I can also say is that if you change your vote to veriat, I will as well at that point, and then we will need only one more vote to secure a lynch. Also, as I posted earlier, one fo the best ways we'll be able to find mafia is by seeing who will and who won't vote for someone. If confronted with two fairly good candidates for lynching, a townie should be willing to vote for either. However, if one candidate is mafia, the mafia will only vote for the candidate who is town. The rigidity of your statement is very suspicious to me, and I hope its just because you are sleep deprived. You said that you think Veriat may be mafia, and he's been out for one 24ish hour stretch. He also hasn't really contributed anything.
Everyone. Please be somewhat flexible. You don't need to be 100% sure that someone is mafia to vote for them, you just have to be sure that the town won't be worse off without them. I personally think that we'd be better off without both, so I will vote for either of them we can get enough support to lynch.
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On April 29 2012 04:50 O.Golden_ne wrote:It's 5:38am where I am, i'm pulling an all nighter to correct my horrible sleeping patterns! Laddering hard to try to get to masters (ugh my ZvP is horrid). I'll be here for the lynch it seems. Though my comprehension at the moment is a little sub-par i'll try and function coherently! Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 04:03 WhySoMuch wrote:
Golden, Mordanis, Lazer: Would you be willing to switch to Veriat? The_Zen has posted his case, and also if you go back and read his posts on your own, what do you think? Veriat is my current 3rd scum-read, i would be happy to see him lynched. His behaviour and activity level isn't great as stated by several of the others. I cannot tell if he is town or mafia, but as a lurker i find him useless in the debate. In his inactivity lies his downfall, however with AcesAnoka and Nreekay it is their activity that has brought about my suspicions. Which leads me to question everyone in particular those voting for Veriat. If it comes down to AcesAnoka and Veriat do we lynch the flip-flop impulse voters who lurk and post fluff, or the absent veriat who 'stands firm' in his vote with the_zen_man and has otherwise done little. I will change votes only until you can show me AcesAnoka is less of a threat than Veriat. a very sleepy Golden.
This post is hella sketch.
Your happy to see him lynched but you won't vote him?
As far as I know only 1 person is voting him becuase of his lack of activity. I am not. When he has been in the thread, his posts have been extremely wolfy as I and others have pointed out.
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Woops, Change extremely wolfy to exteremly scummy.
On the other hand, people should start posting their town reads.
Right now mine are
PureSC
Mordanis
Yomi
JailBreaker
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Splinter is also a likely town
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Okay, just quickly scanned over the thread posts. I will vote for Veriat instead to secure a lynch; while my analysis and other's of Aces makes sense I myself now see that the reasoning for Veriat is also quite concrete and some people are more sold on him than Aces. I think Veriat has tripped over himself more than Aces has as well, so thus:
##Unvote AcesAnoka
##Vote Veriat
I hope that he turns up red, but if not that means we've at least eliminated bad town play instead of someone more useful to the conversation.
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EPT
