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On May 03 2012 09:42 grush57 wrote: ##vote: Katina dafuq is this? ##Vote grush57 | ||
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On May 03 2012 13:46 slOosh wrote: Please stop with the spam people. If this is the rate at which D1 will plan out then we won't be getting anywhere. Consolidate your posts and don't throw out one liners so freely. I'm inclined to think that blubbdavid just didn't read, which is more indicative of VT rather than power role / scum. Blazinghand's case isn't that strong, and was probably more for discussion purposes, given the fact that he has already moved on to voting for two other players. Now, as we wait for people to start checking in, I'd like to get some actual discussion going. Neutral stance on blub, no comment on katina etc., blowing situation out of proportion (there was only 1 post made voting kenpachi and two small responses. hardly a big deal as he puts it) Thoughts? He's diverting attention away from the real issue at hand. | ||
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Keep up that kind of attitude and my vote's staying on you. | ||
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On May 04 2012 07:24 grush57 wrote: I really regret voting katina, I shoulda lurked like the other 15 people with 1-2 posts that no one is going after. Anyways, I'm gonna do that and then when someone posts and you guys get all over him I'll do it too and be cool. Blazinghand, don't bother quoting me and saying that my first sentence is a cheap scum tactic to divert attention. However, it is not so. How about you do something pro-town like i dont know.. Convince me that you're town and my vote is wrong? Like any other townie would. You're playing the "people are wagoning me so I give up" card, hoping that people will pity you and take off their vote. I don't buy it. | ||
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On May 04 2012 08:19 grush57 wrote: Ok sinani by posting that you were ovbiously reading the thread, why not contribute? What are your thoughts on Blazinghand? Alright ##vote: Papuq Give me a reason papug why this vote is wrong. You haven't contributed much or analyzed. You are a townie so be a good townie and tell me why. Wrong. I have analyzed you. I didn't like your vote so I placed mine on you to pressure you more. You can place your vote on me if you really feel that I'm scum. | ||
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I see BH is doing is typical D1 tunnel routine. I've played 1 or 2 games with Palmar a long while back and his play obviously looks incredibly off. Although, that was many many months ago. | ||
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On May 04 2012 09:16 marvellosity wrote: wait, can I play that game by proxy from this thread? please say yes Lol funny. I don't like how the discussion has died. | ||
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On May 04 2012 10:44 papapanda wrote: To clarify, Paqman, are you voting BM because of his reputation/past games or because he did not contribute yet? Both. | ||
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On May 04 2012 13:35 slOosh wrote: Dear Paqman, please stop spamming and consolidate your posts. You hold 60% of the posts this page, and it makes it harder for us to read everything. Still waiting for something from sinani206. ##Vote: sinani206 Boo hoo. + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2012 11:55 Blazinghand wrote: 1) GR57, if you think I'm scum, what's with your vote on PM? 2) PM what do you think of my thoughts on NT? You too Panda The only thing that irks me is the third spoiler, but I don't see anything serious that incriminates NT. Catching up! | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:43 layabout wrote: Katina few posts have been critical of the disruptive play at the beginning, and acted to stamp out the bad. Katina Implies that the "blub scumslip affair" is stupid (it was) by implying that the accusations are rather hastily made (which further implies that they are poorly thought out) katina points out that BH is being a big drama queen. Katina points out that the game is hours old and that there has not been time to contribute in response to BH's vote on her for not contributing. Criticises grush for sheeping a baseless vote. Points out how destructive the "lets all vote for no real reason" is and tells the perpetrators to stop. If Katrina does anything suspicious it is the way in which she puts attention on BM. She tells us that he tend to lurk when he is mafia that he posted earlier and is now lurking. He isn't lurking at the moment. Lurking is playing passively, posting infrequently or posting with consistently low content. BM is inactive in this game since these are his only posts: + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote: I will extend the day and shorten the next night by one hour. Good luck and have fun. Nobody died yet. But don't worry. what On May 03 2012 06:46 Bill Murray wrote: extended days?! hurray! Both of which of from the very beginning of the game Just curious, but what was the point of that post layabout? Nobody was discussing her so it seemed kind of random for you to make that analysis. | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:06 slOosh wrote: Aside: Stop talking / referring to unfinished mafia games. layabout, any reason why its BM over Kenpachi or any other lurker? Looking over katina right now On May 05 2012 05:33 slOosh wrote: Bah isn't deadline in 30 minutes??? I'm down for a katina vote, as outlined by DYH and BH before me. Her filter shows that she has likes and dislikes of what's going on, but she doesn't take that into figuring out alignments. ##Vote Katina As for layabout since he is here he can answer the questions. imo SlOosh's reasoning for voting Katina is weak. It basically boils down to "because these guys said so", followed up by the next sentence. He then goes on to vote NT without a given reason. On May 05 2012 06:50 slOosh wrote: Aight moving onto NT. ##unvote ##vote: Nova_Terra FoS on Sloosh. | ||
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On May 05 2012 11:25 johnnywup wrote: paqman, people arent allowed to discuss people that aren't currently being discussed? How does discussion happen if you hold that to be true? Don't try twisting my words. If you really read my post, you'd see that I was just curious as to why layabout brought up Katina, especially since he made no read on her in his analysis. | ||
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On May 05 2012 11:44 johnnywup wrote: Didn't try twisting your words, I just was wondering why you didn't want to have discussion. That's what it sounded like to me. On May 04 2012 10:56 PaqMan wrote: People need to start talking instead of actively lurking. People should be talking and discussion needs to start rolling, not be at a stand still such as now. I'm hoping my voteswitch will revive discussion. I never said that I didn't want discussion. | ||
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On May 05 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote: Mmmhmm. You realize I fosed 1 scum in sinani206 when no one else did, and my reasoning for voting katina is not the same thing as what DYH and BH said. Then what was your reason for voting her? Becuase all you said was + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 05:33 slOosh wrote: Bah isn't deadline in 30 minutes??? I'm down for a katina vote, as outlined by DYH and BH before me. Her filter shows that she has likes and dislikes of what's going on, but she doesn't take that into figuring out alignments. On May 05 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote: I spent day 1 voting for 2 scum. Easy explanation. You knew your scummates were inactive because they werent talking in your QT, so you bussed them. I don't see you coincidentally voting for the two scum that get modkilled. And now you're using that for town credit. On May 05 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote: TBH I sheeped BH on his vote on N_T but that is because he seemed townie enough. Voting with BH because BH seemed town? Couldnt be much lazier. In BHs last game (LII) he tunneled marv his entire game. Guess what marv flipped (town). On May 05 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote: that BM lynch train was bull, and guess what it did turn out that way. You say its bull now, but did you do anything to stop it? Nada! you let it run its full course without any objections whatsoever. I dont like theuls. Sloosh looks like scum. now excuse my, im not completely sober. TGIF ftw! | ||
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On May 05 2012 12:52 slOosh wrote: So you haven't shown why these things are necessarily scum tells. Because I can and have explained them from a town POV. If this is somehow "not good enough" then you really need to think again. Especially so as you figure that I am somehow to blame for BM mislynch, yet you don't acknowledge the list of lurkers and ninjas who also voted BM. If you think I'm scum then yea keep pushing me. TBH yea I haven't really shown anything that should give you a strong town read but I never claimed confirmed town - I said what I did so that you would think things through instead of trying to force events into preconceived reads instead of pulling reads objectively out of events. 1. Did I blame you for BM getting lynched? Nope. On May 05 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote: that BM lynch train was bull, and guess what it did turn out that way. If you thought the lynch was bull WHY DIDNT YOU TELL US NO. Why didn't you say some sort OBJECTION if you thought it was bull? If you thought the lynch was a mistake for town why did you not mention it? Why did you not say "Hey guys I don't like this idea of lynching BM"? Because you wanted town to make a mislynch. On May 05 2012 12:52 slOosh wrote: So you haven't shown why these things are necessarily scum tells. Because I can and have explained them from a town POV. You saw the deadline was in 30 minutes, you saw your scumbuddy Katina hadn't voted and that she wasn't on. You basically knew she would get modkilled so you put a vote on her. + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 13:46 slOosh wrote: Please stop with the spam people. If this is the rate at which D1 will plan out then we won't be getting anywhere. Consolidate your posts and don't throw out one liners so freely. I'm inclined to think that blubbdavid just didn't read, which is more indicative of VT rather than power role / scum. Blazinghand's case isn't that strong, and was probably more for discussion purposes, given the fact that he has already moved on to voting for two other players. Now, as we wait for people to start checking in, I'd like to get some actual discussion going. Neutral stance on blub, no comment on katina etc., blowing situation out of proportion (there was only 1 post made voting kenpachi and two small responses. hardly a big deal as he puts it) Thoughts? You begin by trying to start discussion around Sinani, On May 04 2012 13:35 slOosh wrote: Dear Paqman, please stop spamming and consolidate your posts. You hold 60% of the posts this page, and it makes it harder for us to read everything. Still waiting for something from sinani206. ##Vote: sinani206 You pressure him with a vote, On May 04 2012 23:40 slOosh wrote: Why, as a townie, do you show absolutely no interest in proving your innocence in the form of contributions? And this is a really good point against Sinani that I agree with, but after this post you drop the issue and don't bring it back up. On May 05 2012 05:33 slOosh wrote: Bah isn't deadline in 30 minutes??? I'm down for a katina vote, as outlined by DYH and BH before me. Her filter shows that she has likes and dislikes of what's going on, but she doesn't take that into figuring out alignments. ##Vote Katina As for layabout since he is here he can answer the questions. Then you switch around and place a vote on Katina (imo using a not-very-good reason). I asked you what your reasoning was and instead of explaining your vote, all you do is quote yourself and tell me to "really think about it." I guess it's my fault for not being specific but I want you to elaborate and explain. It's because you know she's not responding in your scum QT, you know she hasn't voted yet and you know she's not online. So with 30 minutes left until lynch you take your vote off sinani and place it on her. You go on to take your vote off Katina (Consolidation of votes?) and place it on NT (Because BH seems townie). Not trying to sound like a narrator but your actions make good sense from a scum point-of-view. On May 05 2012 12:52 slOosh wrote: If this is somehow "not good enough" then you really need to think again. Especially so as you figure that I am somehow to blame for BM mislynch, yet you don't acknowledge the list of lurkers and ninjas who also voted BM. Note:bolded. You know what that looks like? It looks like scum telling me to look at other people and leave them alone because they don't like the spotlight & attention. I am acknowledging other people, you're just the first one I've looked into who appears scummy. | ||
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On May 05 2012 14:11 PaqMan wrote: Note:bolded. You know what that looks like? It looks like scum telling me to look at other people and leave them alone because they don't like the spotlight & attention. I am acknowledging other people, you're just the first one I've looked into who appears scummy. | ||
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On May 05 2012 07:07 layabout wrote: I am sick of leaving you around it has caused nothing but trouble Town should keep in mind BM's last wish before we lynched him. I haven't completely read into laya except for the points people have made against him so I shall further delve into his filter when Day starts. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [BR's two significant posts] + On May 04 2012 03:51 BlackRaven wrote: Cool, lets's go Firstly, confrontational and empty is an oxymoron in Mafia. Confrontation brings discussion. Discussion good. Discussion not make posts empty. Secondly, not having a read on someone does not make him anti-town. It makes him just another player in the game. It sure as hell isn't a reason to vote him. Thirdly.....well see the first point about your second one. He got you talking didn't he? :3 All this post achieves is soft-defending Palmar and nothing more On May 04 2012 03:53 BlackRaven wrote: If a player ever uses a chainsaw defence as an actual defence they are scum there is no leeway about it and its bad play all around. People should never use other peoples arguments to make them appear either townie or scum its just bad play and they deserve to be lynched if they do so. Me and Hassy both still expect things from Palmar at some stage we just both dislike you at the moment. -D This entire post is just an altercation with DYH and contributes nothing of value except for the fact that BR doesn't like DYH. BR's entire filter literally contains nothing more than pointless one-liners. The only thing he's done is ask other people questions and make comments to the side that add no value to discussion. He doesn't make any scumreads nor does he form serious opinions on people. And his D1 vote: On May 05 2012 03:22 BlackRaven wrote: You know I liked layabout at the start but now he is probably going to cause more harm than if I was a medic... ##Vote: layabout -D goes without any sort of good explanation besides "I like him, now I don't." I see him as a possible lynch candidate if he doesn't pick it up and he's earned my FoS | ||
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That said, I have a null read on layabout. I still haven't looked into his posts and it's what I plan to do tonight. I have also yet to look through NT. However, after just finishing a game with Marvel, I agree with your case on him. I haven't seen him do any solid scumhunting and most of his posts don't have value. | ||
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On May 06 2012 00:52 layabout wrote: discussion of katina: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14591170 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14591786 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14591832 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14592117 My post doesn't say why i thought she was town in fact i just wanted to say that her posts made sense and i didn't want to kill somebody that was making sense when there were so many players that weren't making sense or even playing the game. | ||
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On May 05 2012 07:16 Nova_Terra wrote: we so good as town that the only scum we kill are those that forget to play T_T Do you have any reads? anyone in particular that you think is scummy? | ||
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On May 07 2012 01:08 ghost_403 wrote: Most of the argument against layabout comes from his "hard defense" of Katina. That's not a hard defense at all. Saying a rather good player is moderately intelligent and shouldn't be lynch so early in the game is just good play. On May 07 2012 01:34 ghost_403 wrote: Whoah. I honestly can't make heads or tails of this post. Take a close look at it. Is he accusing or defending Katina in this post? Does he find her actions scummy or townie? Can you tell me, because I sure can't figure it out. Instead, it's just a compilations of Katina posts with his commentary on what they say without actually saying anything. And he ends the post with we should lynch BM. Why? I have no idea. I do not like this post. Ghost, you basically answered your own question before you even asked it... Also: On May 06 2012 08:52 PaqMan wrote: And: + Show Spoiler + It's odd that no matter how many times layabout explained his post, people keep bringing it up as something to convict him with. + Show Spoiler + I don't think laya is scum, and I think scum are trying to subtly push for his lynch. | ||
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On May 06 2012 06:18 Sinensis wrote: I don't like basing decisions on meta, but I can say having played with BlackRaven in the past... lots of confrontational 1 liners is par for the course for his town play. I am null on him at the moment and I believe there are better targets at the moment. Sinensis I'd like to see your reads. | ||
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On May 06 2012 16:14 l10f wrote: Just read through all of the filters. Don't really have anyone looking too incriminating but I take back my suspicions on layabout. I'm satisfied with how he defended so far. I also think grush is town based on katina's posts before he died. Blazinghand is confirmed now with his shot? ghost_403 hasn't said a thing since this + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2012 00:20 ghost_403 wrote: Sinesis rolled scum. This post screams "I want to look useful to the town without actually thinking about what's going on." Good Day 1 lynch. ##vote sinesis and his own post can apply to himself as well. I'll put my vote on him for now, and reassess later in the day. Note:bold. "I've looked into everyone and no one's scummy." Now that ghost is back you can make your reassessment. I don't see how you could have possibly looked through everyone's filter and not find anything scummy besides ghost's lack of posting. | ||
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On May 05 2012 00:16 Nova_Terra wrote: 2. Just wrong, I can have scumreads that i do not feel should be posted until i can get more infos to back them up. as i do. He's withholding his scumreads for the reason "until i can get more infors to back them up." 6 hours later.... On May 05 2012 06:00 Nova_Terra wrote: In accordance with popular demand, i will share my top scumread which is currently Mementoss (not based on OMGUS) mementoss starts off suggesting to policy lynch two people, etc. Makes a few totally unneccessary 1 liners, and then when he is called out on it he goes NO WAIT i has reason, then decided to teach us, which just came off freaking weird. Then he goes aggressive on layabout, throwing suspicion while not doing much of anything, then joins the Grush did something scummy this looks really bad group. not original. then after blazing notes something on me he joins in that too, and makes remarks in an unsure way, seeming to want to be able to backtrack if necessary. then, when called out on it, he goes into defensive aggression mode and suddenly gains massive confidence which hadnt been in his play before. Overall 1liners Enlightens us on 1 liners throws suspicion while not doing much at all joins scummy bandwagon seems unsure agrees with an Oh i noticed the same thing! makes arguments based on my meta, which is questionable entirely based on the fact that i never play this lurky, town or scum randomly gets massively confident, as opposed to his earlier play, its as if someone told him to be more sure and so ##Vote: Mementoss A brutally weak case against MT that was probably thrown together in 3 minutes. He said he withheld his scumreads to get more info, and 6 hours later that's all he comes up with. That was his ONLY OPINION, his ONLY SCUMREAD this whole game. The rest of his filter consists of useless one-liners. I'd be okay with lynching him today. On Marvel: I retract the statement I made of him earlier because I realize that he's playing exactly to his town meta (town meta's not a good reason ikno but work with me here.) He start's off slow D1 and D2 but the pace is greatly increased as late-game rolls around. I don't think a lynch on him today would be too wise. I want to see him pick up the pace and start making the quality cases that I read from LIII. And now the case: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 05:53 marvellosity wrote: Sold, I don't have a solid scumread on anyone and BM is just useless and anti-town no matter his alignment. Which is taking the horrendously lazy way out. he then gives us this: On May 05 2012 19:53 marvellosity wrote: I'm down with this, but I also want to look at layabout as he seems to have a few people poking him. But a few hours later he completely drops layabout and makes a (very) small post calling out I10f + Show Spoiler [seen here] + On May 06 2012 03:48 marvellosity wrote: Sup l10f. Let's kinda point some fingers... but not call someone scummy at the same time. Let's discuss things, yay! Fluffy apology. Summary summary summary. Fingerpointing followed by some nice unprovable speculation about the BM lynch. Anything concrete to say? Which also strikes me as odd because he doesn't mention I10f again. Marv's contributing and there's better options on the table right now. | ||
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On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi Quit lurking. | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:30 l10f wrote: Summary of ghost's posts since he got back. OMG THESE BANDWAGONERS SUCK --> joins layabout bandwagon wat I like my chances better on you than layabout! And if you're green, darn, sorry! ##vote: Eiii You said you've read through everyone's filter, so who else do you think is scummy? + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote: People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude. I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him. | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:44 Sinensis wrote: PacMan why do you keep asking me for my reads I have already posted them. Go read my filter instead of quoting yourself over and over again. I did read your filter and your only FoS so far is on layabout. And please explain this: On May 06 2012 06:18 Sinensis wrote: I don't like basing decisions on meta, but I can say having played with BlackRaven in the past... lots of confrontational 1 liners is par for the course for his town play. I am null on him at the moment and I believe there are better targets at the moment. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [I10f] + On May 07 2012 05:30 l10f wrote: Summary of ghost's posts since he got back. OMG THESE BANDWAGONERS SUCK --> joins layabout bandwagon wat I like my chances better on you than layabout! And if you're green, darn, sorry! ##vote: Eiii Can you elaborate on this? Like, explain your vote more thoroughly? | ||
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That's fine and dandy if you think he's scum, I have no problem with that. But your reason "defended another scum" is complete bullshit and totally invalid. Despite being pointed out MULTIPLE TIMES, you're still using it as a reason to convict layabout as scum. | ||
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On May 07 2012 10:32 Sinensis wrote: Can you not read? I'll read it for you. It means I don't like basing decisions on information outside of the game... but that having played with mattchew/D before lots of confrontational 1 liners seems normal for town play. I go on to say that I am null on him and that there are other priorities to consider first. I was curious as to how you could of played with BR in the past because he's a hydra and this is the only game played on that account. | ||
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On May 07 2012 10:59 DoYouHas wrote: -His votes on Grush and BM were poorly justified. apparently so was everyone else's. On May 07 2012 10:59 DoYouHas wrote: -He went after slOosh both when he was correct about sinani and when he was correct about Katina. That doesn't (or didn't) make him insta-town like everyone seemed to have thought. On May 07 2012 10:59 DoYouHas wrote: -He repeatedly brought up BH's mistakes in past games which I think served to undermine the town leadership role BH was establishing. I brought it up one time, which was to prove a point to SlOosh about him sheeping his vote. I had no intention to "undermine the town leadership" or whatever the hell you're talking about. On May 07 2012 10:59 DoYouHas wrote: -Starting with this post Katina seemed like a buzzword for PM. Mentioning Katina seems to draw more attention from PM than is warranted IMO. Exactly like I said earlier, I was curious because layabout made an analysis but didn't conclude with a read. And then I looked back and figured out why. I don't like how big of a train that has started on NT, which is why I've taken my vote off. | ||
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I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT? I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him. Hence this quote: His only post since D2 started. He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive). Also this gem: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote: ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE? NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME NO NO NO WTF? NO i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following. by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1 i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart. BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience. He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT. ##Vote Kenpachi I'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure. | ||
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On May 07 2012 13:31 Blazinghand wrote: That's not sufficient reason to unvote, typically. What if NT is legitimately playing like some horribly scummy game? I just counted how many votes he has and it's only 4 >.> The reason why I didn't place my vote back on him is that I don't feel as confident in him being scum then I did when I first placed it on him. And I think there's a better option than him. On May 07 2012 13:35 Kenpachi wrote: ##vote PaqMan ^And that goes to show he's actively lurking, not inactive. Purposely not discussing anything, purposely not making any contributions... NT isn't off my radar and me unvoting him certainly isn't to show that I think he's town. I just think that there's a better lynch than him right now. I'm going to bed. | ||
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On May 07 2012 13:37 Kenpachi wrote: lawl. excess mafia i guess. been busy and decided to abuse that by making no posts to bait a scum. gg i asked for replacement You've been busy, but you're obviously keeping up with the thread since you quickly responded to my halfassed case against you. So basically your excuse is, "im not going to play because i dont want too, even tho i signed up. and anyone who votes me for not playing/contributing/doing anything is obv. scum." | ||
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On May 07 2012 13:51 Nova_Terra wrote: Because you're kenpachi isnt an excuse. And if you dont die today, im just gonna start defending myself with Because im Nova_Terra. That's the worst thing you could do. If you REALLY want to prove your town then stop letting a couple votes freak you out. it makes it look like you have something to hide. Make good fos, analysis', and cases against people and pressure the people who you think are scum. Quit spending so much time defending yourself. Make a good defense that addresses all the points against you and move on. goodnight ppl. | ||
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On May 07 2012 13:53 Kenpachi wrote: if ive been following the thread, i would have responded to NT's vote on me. i didnt notice that until after i voted you And you "coincidentally" check the thread right after I make my case. Yeah, I don't buy it. You're actively lurking and unless one of the hosts confirm that you're looking for a replacement I don't buy that either. | ||
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On May 07 2012 14:00 Kenpachi wrote: if you dont believe it, doesnt matter. you're scum as far as i can tell What were you so busy with | ||
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On May 08 2012 06:32 Mementoss wrote: Also cheers to I10f, Nova_Terra, and Paqman for wasting there votes! Aka, voting someone who has no chance of getting lynched and not trying to actively push that player, or convince anyone else why they are scum/to vote them. I guess having your vote have no influence on the outcome at all is good for keeping away from a WIFOM vote analysis paper trail. >_> So you're telling me that I should have taken my vote off someone I think is scum and sheep/wagonhop/board the train on someone I didn't think was that much scummy? No thanks, I want to win. I made a case, the only problem was that it was 11 at night, I had to wake up early to take a college exam, and had class the rest of the day. Obviously I didn't have time to push it. layabout your hard defense of kenpachi is yucky. Also, he's allowed to purposely play anti-town just because he's KP? (Sounds familiar, BM @ LIII) layabout isn't that the reason you pushed BM's lynch? Yeah don't even get on my ass about KP. I don't believe that he's been sooooooo busy to play, yet he's spamming the thread with so many 1-liners and "coincidentally" shows up after I put out my case on him and vote. I also don't believe that he's asked for a replacement because, guess what, there isn't anyone signed up to be a replacement. I didn't waste my vote. I didn't think NT was that much scummy anymore and I'm not going to lynch someone that I'm not confident is scum. If I was scum I could have easily left my vote on him, especially since I was THE FIRST PERSON TO EVEN VOTE NT, and I could have easily gotten away with it. Kenpachi's my scummiest read and if pressuring him makes me scum, that's coolbeans. I just wont understand your logic. | ||
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DYH posts his case against blubbdavid: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=45#898 SomethingAwesome reposts the case 3 times. It's obvious he supports the case, although he makes no comment in the thread of laying down his vote. 4 hours later layabout composes a weak case against blubb and a PbP analysis in which he narrates blubb's posts. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=46#905 Froggynoddy is the fourth to vote, but only after being pressured by layabout. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=46#917 johnnywup posts a one-liner to justify his vote on blubb. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=47#922 grush makes his vote next. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=47#926 followed by ghost, who gets into an argument with grush. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=47#940 And finally, Eiii sporadically makes a voteswitch onto blubb. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=49#966 And there is all the people who voted and their in-thread vote. Now we won't have to dig through all the one-liners and spam that cluttered the thread during that time. Out of all those voters, layabout and jdub look like the most suspicious to me. I'll post a little something on layabout and why I think he's suspicious in a bit. | ||
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#1 I'll begin with a link to his case against blubby: here In that post, layabout makes no mention whatsoever of DYH's case against blubb. Not even a little comment, even though he made it 4 hours after DYH. I think that it's pretty obvious DYH's case on blubb influenced layabout to make his own. So I looked into it more. What struck me as really odd, was the fact that he had no FoS, no read, nothing at all on blubb prior to DYH's case. In fact, layabout's only mention of blubb is when SA asks him what he thinks about blubb, seen here: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 03:18 layabout wrote: here: This is a strange thing to assert when as a townie you do not know who scum are and if they thought that Katina was coming back or not. Also when he votes for me he emphasises that it is to get me to answer his question. He begins by saying that i am scum. If he believes this then surely that should be the reason for his vote. By saying that he wants a response he gives himself a way to back out of pushing me. If he truly believes that i am scum then he would have no reason to do this. In which he makes no opinion and takes no stance whatsoever. #2 And here are two little points that need to be noted: + Show Spoiler [P1] + On May 04 2012 07:35 layabout wrote: BH you are just bitter because you blew your own leg off after you tried to rocket jump with the wrong boots on. I think killing something awesome could be a good move. If we still have no candidates when i get up then i think we should just lynch BM. What he's saying is that he wants to kill SomethingAwesome, but he's too damn lazy to build a case or make a push on him. He's also practically asking everyone to do the scumhunting for him while he sits back and chills. He doesn't make a read, take a stance, or form an opinion on SA. The only time he ever mentions SA is if he is defending himself. + Show Spoiler [P2] + On May 06 2012 00:55 layabout wrote: we should kill Palmar tomorrow Later on, he posts this little baby. Again, just like with SomethingAwesome, he makes the suggestion of wanting to kill Palmar. He made no case on Palmar besides the little comment. When asked why, he posts this: On May 06 2012 09:23 layabout wrote: @Mementoss i thought we should lynch Palmar over "any other lurker" because he showed basically no interest in the lynch at all. Palmar is lazy as scum but when he town he usually bothers to do ... "stuff". Of course, he had his reasons for it: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 03:50 layabout wrote: Yesterday, between the hours of (UK time) 5pm and 1 am i was otherwise engaged.+ Show Spoiler + the FA cup final was on Now try think of a way to write that without it sounding lame. And I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt, mainly because there are other reasons to think he is scum. #3 Just about more than half of layabout's posts consist only defending himself. His only other notable thing is when he puts attention and calls out jdub: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 10:00 layabout wrote: @papapanda, The number of players that make sense is far smaller than you appear to think it is. You should treasure the ones that do. Johnnywub: skim through his filter from Area 53 mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=99700 These are some of his comments (+1 from host) after the game. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 09:18 iGrok wrote: Johnny is probably town MVP. Matt is scum MVP. Also, well done by scum not to give up when St.Daniel got modkilled. On May 05 2012 09:06 johnnywup wrote: it was too late, i was away and it was 5:01. also fml i feel so shitty now. I had decent reads but I can't convey reads for shit. On May 05 2012 09:28 johnnywup wrote: im sorry i failed you town On May 05 2012 09:35 johnnywup wrote: bleh i feel so guilty for this game. if i conveyed my reads a little better or something i dont know but bleh On May 05 2012 09:41 johnnywup wrote: i thought you were scum mattchew and thats primarily because you allowed an ottox lynch with 2 confirmed scum. but no one listened to me so ugh On May 05 2012 09:49 johnnywup wrote: matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh The key things to note are that Johnny:
I see no signs of his town game so far. johnnywub is sitting back and watching the thread. When i called him out he instantly de-lurked, said nothing, and left. + Show Spoiler [Today's post's] + On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote: I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much. Also I don't want any gold stars. i looked at a filter, saw something odd, pointed it out. that's what all town should be doing. Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial On May 07 2012 04:52 johnnywup wrote: lol i love how NT says "it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd" while lurking himself  On May 07 2012 04:54 johnnywup wrote: i just noticed that from your post and thought it was interesting. i guess it is rehashing. I'm just agreeing that it's strange and scummy On May 07 2012 05:02 johnnywup wrote: Paqman Marv BH and Mementoss are all saying the same thing at approximately the same time? weird, maybe you just agree with one another and want to quote it as if you found it yourself? O_o But even then, he makes no stance. He doesn't pressure jdub, doesn't make some sort fos, does nothing except call him out for lurking. I would say that that is his only other contributing post. Read through his filter and it becomes apparent that he puts more effort into defending himself than hunting scum. #4 The next thing I want to bring up is how quickly he comes to defend Kenpachi. + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 21:48 layabout wrote: If blubbdavid Nova_Terra and Paqman are the remaining scum then kenpachi has got all of them. On May 07 2012 21:51 layabout wrote: frogg we are not lynching kenpachi. don't be silly. On May 07 2012 22:12 layabout wrote: I would love to know how you felt that this: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi On May 07 2012 13:19 PaqMan wrote: Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch. I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT? I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him. Hence this quote: His only post since D2 started. He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive). Also this gem: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote: ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE? NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME NO NO NO WTF? NO i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following. by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1 i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart. BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience. He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT. ##Vote Kenpachi I'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure. was the best lynch to support? Why dont you have a look through here and tell me what you learn about kenpachi's play? Then address the cases on the people that should get lynched: Blubbdavid or Nova_Terra or might get mislynched: layabout. On May 07 2012 22:26 layabout wrote: EBWOP*So you are saying that it doesn't matter if your logic for voting on day1 is weak/contradictory/scummy because we have limited information? But Kenpachi has been more "active" than froggnoddy, Eiii, l10f, ghost_403 johnnywub, grush, mementoss, sinensis and papaganda. He might not even have PC acess at the momnet That post^ is complete BS that I don't even understand how he could have possibly came to that conclusion. The only person he's been more active than is froggynoddy, and even then Froggy's posts have way more quality than KP's does. On May 07 2012 22:35 layabout wrote: It was more of an "inactivity from a player that's always inactive is meaningless". There is also some merit to the notion that scum will try to lynch Kenpachi. I am not sure what you are trying to say but blue pyro's are trackers not not vigis. Again, you cannot be freaking serious. You pushed for BM's lynch, am I correct? SO HOW ARE YOU DEFENDING KP WHEN KP'S PLAY MATCHES EXACTLY LIKE BM! lurk, lurk, lurk, inactive, spam one-liners, purposely not contribute, purposely play anti-town. KP said that he's so busy he cannot possibly play, but he could have EASILY come up with a small read/fos/case on someone. Instead, he wastes what little time he has to shit up the thread. KP is the most anti-town player in the game right now, and you're defending him hard. Remind me why you wanted BM lynched. #5 + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 07:04 Bill Murray wrote: well, layabout hopping on the lynch makes me really suspect him he would normally leave me around if he's town of my wagon, i would like you all to lynch layabout On May 08 2012 04:22 blubbdavid wrote: layabout is scum, SA is town I will not move my vote from layabout -snipped- Hmm. The victims of our mislynches both suggest to lynch layabout. And so far we're ignoring them. Why I believe layabout to be scum boils down to; 1) Has nothing on blubb, but as soon as DYH pushes a case and lynch on him, layabout makes a weak case and pushes it forward as if he had been suspecting him for a while. 2) layabout does not create his own scumreads, does not establish his own opinions, and does not make his own stance. He has other people do the work for him, and then he starts pushing reads. Basically, he's not scum hunting. 3) All of layabout's "good, quality posts" are the only ones where he is defending himself, not doing any actual scumhunting. 4) People previously thought his analysis on Kat was an attempt at soft-defending. But after individually separating his posts, we can all clearly see how hard he is defending Kenpachi. KP's play is awfully similar to BM's. 5) I'm restating this one because I feel it's one of the stronger points against layabout: He does not actively hunt scum. All he does is push other people's reads. I retract my FoS on him. I'm confident that layabout is scum and I want him lynched tomorrow. | ||
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On May 08 2012 12:44 Sinensis wrote: If either layabout, NT, or ghost isn't dead by morning I will be disappointed. I completely agree with this. layabout should be the top priority for vigi imo. | ||
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On May 08 2012 11:56 PaqMan wrote: layabout, and why he's getting my Finger of Suspicion. #1 I'll begin with a link to his case against blubby: here In that post, layabout makes no mention whatsoever of DYH's case against blubb. Not even a little comment, even though he made it 4 hours after DYH. I think that it's pretty obvious DYH's case on blubb influenced layabout to make his own. So I looked into it more. What struck me as really odd, was the fact that he had no FoS, no read, nothing at all on blubb prior to DYH's case. In fact, layabout's only mention of blubb is when SA asks him what he thinks about blubb, seen here: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 03:18 layabout wrote: here: This is a strange thing to assert when as a townie you do not know who scum are and if they thought that Katina was coming back or not. Also when he votes for me he emphasises that it is to get me to answer his question. He begins by saying that i am scum. If he believes this then surely that should be the reason for his vote. By saying that he wants a response he gives himself a way to back out of pushing me. If he truly believes that i am scum then he would have no reason to do this. In which he makes no opinion and takes no stance whatsoever. #2 And here are two little points that need to be noted: + Show Spoiler [P1] + On May 04 2012 07:35 layabout wrote: BH you are just bitter because you blew your own leg off after you tried to rocket jump with the wrong boots on. I think killing something awesome could be a good move. If we still have no candidates when i get up then i think we should just lynch BM. What he's saying is that he wants to kill SomethingAwesome, but he's too damn lazy to build a case or make a push on him. He's also practically asking everyone to do the scumhunting for him while he sits back and chills. He doesn't make a read, take a stance, or form an opinion on SA. The only time he ever mentions SA is if he is defending himself. + Show Spoiler [P2] + On May 06 2012 00:55 layabout wrote: we should kill Palmar tomorrow Later on, he posts this little baby. Again, just like with SomethingAwesome, he makes the suggestion of wanting to kill Palmar. He made no case on Palmar besides the little comment. When asked why, he posts this: On May 06 2012 09:23 layabout wrote: @Mementoss i thought we should lynch Palmar over "any other lurker" because he showed basically no interest in the lynch at all. Palmar is lazy as scum but when he town he usually bothers to do ... "stuff". Of course, he had his reasons for it: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 03:50 layabout wrote: Yesterday, between the hours of (UK time) 5pm and 1 am i was otherwise engaged.+ Show Spoiler + the FA cup final was on Now try think of a way to write that without it sounding lame. And I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt, mainly because there are other reasons to think he is scum. #3 Just about more than half of layabout's posts consist only defending himself. His only other notable thing is when he puts attention and calls out jdub: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 10:00 layabout wrote: @papapanda, The number of players that make sense is far smaller than you appear to think it is. You should treasure the ones that do. Johnnywub: skim through his filter from Area 53 mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=99700 These are some of his comments (+1 from host) after the game. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 09:18 iGrok wrote: Johnny is probably town MVP. Matt is scum MVP. Also, well done by scum not to give up when St.Daniel got modkilled. On May 05 2012 09:06 johnnywup wrote: it was too late, i was away and it was 5:01. also fml i feel so shitty now. I had decent reads but I can't convey reads for shit. On May 05 2012 09:28 johnnywup wrote: im sorry i failed you town On May 05 2012 09:35 johnnywup wrote: bleh i feel so guilty for this game. if i conveyed my reads a little better or something i dont know but bleh On May 05 2012 09:41 johnnywup wrote: i thought you were scum mattchew and thats primarily because you allowed an ottox lynch with 2 confirmed scum. but no one listened to me so ugh On May 05 2012 09:49 johnnywup wrote: matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh The key things to note are that Johnny:
I see no signs of his town game so far. johnnywub is sitting back and watching the thread. When i called him out he instantly de-lurked, said nothing, and left. + Show Spoiler [Today's post's] + On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote: I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much. Also I don't want any gold stars. i looked at a filter, saw something odd, pointed it out. that's what all town should be doing. Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial On May 07 2012 04:52 johnnywup wrote: lol i love how NT says "it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd" while lurking himself On May 07 2012 04:54 johnnywup wrote: i just noticed that from your post and thought it was interesting. i guess it is rehashing. I'm just agreeing that it's strange and scummy On May 07 2012 05:02 johnnywup wrote: Paqman Marv BH and Mementoss are all saying the same thing at approximately the same time? weird, maybe you just agree with one another and want to quote it as if you found it yourself? O_o But even then, he makes no stance. He doesn't pressure jdub, doesn't make some sort fos, does nothing except call him out for lurking. I would say that that is his only other contributing post. Read through his filter and it becomes apparent that he puts more effort into defending himself than hunting scum. #4 The next thing I want to bring up is how quickly he comes to defend Kenpachi. + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 21:48 layabout wrote: If blubbdavid Nova_Terra and Paqman are the remaining scum then kenpachi has got all of them. On May 07 2012 21:51 layabout wrote: frogg we are not lynching kenpachi. don't be silly. On May 07 2012 22:12 layabout wrote: I would love to know how you felt that this: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi On May 07 2012 13:19 PaqMan wrote: Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch. I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT? I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him. Hence this quote: His only post since D2 started. He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive). Also this gem: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote: ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE? NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME NO NO NO WTF? NO i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following. by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1 i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart. BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience. He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT. ##Vote Kenpachi I'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure. was the best lynch to support? Why dont you have a look through here and tell me what you learn about kenpachi's play? Then address the cases on the people that should get lynched: Blubbdavid or Nova_Terra or might get mislynched: layabout. On May 07 2012 22:26 layabout wrote: EBWOP*So you are saying that it doesn't matter if your logic for voting on day1 is weak/contradictory/scummy because we have limited information? But Kenpachi has been more "active" than froggnoddy, Eiii, l10f, ghost_403 johnnywub, grush, mementoss, sinensis and papaganda. He might not even have PC acess at the momnet That post^ is complete BS that I don't even understand how he could have possibly came to that conclusion. The only person he's been more active than is froggynoddy, and even then Froggy's posts have way more quality than KP's does. On May 07 2012 22:35 layabout wrote: It was more of an "inactivity from a player that's always inactive is meaningless". There is also some merit to the notion that scum will try to lynch Kenpachi. I am not sure what you are trying to say but blue pyro's are trackers not not vigis. Again, you cannot be freaking serious. You pushed for BM's lynch, am I correct? SO HOW ARE YOU DEFENDING KP WHEN KP'S PLAY MATCHES EXACTLY LIKE BM! lurk, lurk, lurk, inactive, spam one-liners, purposely not contribute, purposely play anti-town. KP said that he's so busy he cannot possibly play, but he could have EASILY come up with a small read/fos/case on someone. Instead, he wastes what little time he has to shit up the thread. KP is the most anti-town player in the game right now, and you're defending him hard. Remind me why you wanted BM lynched. #5 + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 07:04 Bill Murray wrote: well, layabout hopping on the lynch makes me really suspect him he would normally leave me around if he's town of my wagon, i would like you all to lynch layabout On May 08 2012 04:22 blubbdavid wrote: layabout is scum, SA is town I will not move my vote from layabout -snipped- Hmm. The victims of our mislynches both suggest to lynch layabout. And so far we're ignoring them. Why I believe layabout to be scum boils down to; 1) Has nothing on blubb, but as soon as DYH pushes a case and lynch on him, layabout makes a weak case and pushes it forward as if he had been suspecting him for a while. 2) layabout does not create his own scumreads, does not establish his own opinions, and does not make his own stance. He has other people do the work for him, and then he starts pushing reads. Basically, he's not scum hunting. 3) All of layabout's "good, quality posts" are the only ones where he is defending himself, not doing any actual scumhunting. 4) People previously thought his analysis on Kat was an attempt at soft-defending. But after individually separating his posts, we can all clearly see how hard he is defending Kenpachi. KP's play is awfully similar to BM's. 5) I'm restating this one because I feel it's one of the stronger points against layabout: He does not actively hunt scum. All he does is push other people's reads. I retract my FoS on him. I'm confident that layabout is scum and I want him lynched tomorrow. + Show Spoiler [layabout's defense] + On May 09 2012 01:34 layabout wrote: I am just gonna hope i get shot so i don't have to explain myself. Again. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. 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NT has so many ugly little one-liners and zero contributions. I read through his entire filter (it was an eyesore). Ask yourselves, "If NT was scum, what does he achieve for playing the way that he currently is?" He doesn't push forth any sort of scum agenda and his actions don't make much sense from a scum point-of-view. How is NT helping scum by playing the way he that he is? He isn't. The cases and pushes against NT look awfully similar to the blubb train and I want to avoid that. I think NT is just an idiot town (no offense dude, not trying to be rude). I don't want to lynch NT while layabout is alive. I think my case against layabout + the reasons to believe layabout is scum are far far far greater than NT's. THE ONLY RESPONSE layabout made was this: + Show Spoiler + On May 09 2012 01:34 layabout wrote: I am just gonna hope i get shot so i don't have to explain myself. Again. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. Because all of my points are valid and true. I am totally confident that layabout is scum. | ||
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On May 09 2012 08:14 layabout wrote: I have a very busy day tomorrow, and i will try to do what i can. I will try to share my important reads and i will respond to the case that Paqman has made. (you should be able to spot the errors if you try to look at it objectively.) You have no idea how pissed off i am that i choose BM as the policy lynch or that i complained about players not putting in effort, or that i said we shouldn't lynch katina or that the case i pushed Johnnywub and blubb given what has happened. You never said we shouldn't lynch katina, you never made a read on him. You never pushed a case on jdub, you called him out for lurking and that was it. | ||
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The only thing that you might have repeated was about Palmar. My case pointed out the fact that all you've done is push other people's scum reads, that you haven't been scumhunting, that most of your filter is only made up of you defending yourself, and that you put way more effort into creating those defenses instead of actively hunting scum. | ||
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I'm aware that it's not much of a justifiable reason but I feel that NT is just horrible/bad. Look at it from a scum point of view and tell me what is NT accomplishing? Nothing at all except setting his own ass on fire. Look at layabout with a scum point of view and his entire filter is incriminating. He's contradicting himself everywhere. He's pushing other peoples reads instead of making his own, even when asked. He doesn't make & push his own reads. He isn't actively hunting scum. He's so preoccupied with defending himself. He puts way more effort into writing quarter-page posts instead of hunting scum. He isn't contributing to town. If you look at the bigger picture, everything he's done has been pro-scum. Overall, Nova has done nothing to suggest to me that he isn't scum. He has a long filter with no scumhunting, but plenty of throwaway accusations. He contradicts himself. Your accusations can also very easily be applied to layabout. So tell me, if NT has done nothing to show you that he isn't scum, what has layabout done? | ||
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1- pushed a mislynch on BM. 2- pushed a mislynch on blubb. 3- no contribution to town 4-no individual/personal reads, allowing him to sit back and chill 5- pushes forth other people's reads 6- doesn't have to actively hunt for his own teammates because he's too busy writing intricate defenses. compare that to the actions NT has made. | ||
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On May 09 2012 08:55 marvellosity wrote: I see the possibility that layabout is just a frustrated townie who has been goaded into defending himself too much. Frustrated how? because people kept bringing up the same argument against him? | ||
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On May 09 2012 10:11 marvellosity wrote: Yes, for example the much rehashed katina argument, and frustrated at the state of the game. At the risk of repeating myself, Nova is my strongest read, layabout also has a good chance of flipping scum - but much like your Ottoxlol argument on Nova, my gut tells me layabout has a higher chance of being townie than nova. Okay, that is understandable. Eiii, l10f, grush, papapanda, Froggynoddy, you guys need to start posting. | ||
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On May 09 2012 10:31 Mementoss wrote: Paqman I think your case is very good against Layabout, but a lot of it has been mentioned before. Points 1 2 and 5 look unique and I really like the way they are presented. Point #4 I don't think is the best, I defended Kenpachi do you think I am scum? I am pretty confident that laya or nt are scum but not both. I'm having trouble deciding which is the better lynch. Also this quote in your case caught my eye mainly because of LIII trickery: I remember mattchew mentioned his WHOLE scum team in a similar type post. There is a chance that certain people voting quickly on kenpachi could be scum, the remaining left are Nova, Paqman and Froggy. I called him out on KP because of how hard laya was defending him. Just by this quote:+ Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 21:51 layabout wrote: frogg we are not lynching kenpachi. don't be silly. The only legitimate stances that layabout has made are people who he doesn't want to lynch. blubb wasn't scum, I'm not scum, and Kenpachi was. KP didn't mention his whole team. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 08 2012 11:56 PaqMan wrote: layabout, and why he's getting my Finger of Suspicion. #1 I'll begin with a link to his case against blubby: here In that post, layabout makes no mention whatsoever of DYH's case against blubb. Not even a little comment, even though he made it 4 hours after DYH. I think that it's pretty obvious DYH's case on blubb influenced layabout to make his own. So I looked into it more. What struck me as really odd, was the fact that he had no FoS, no read, nothing at all on blubb prior to DYH's case. In fact, layabout's only mention of blubb is when SA asks him what he thinks about blubb, seen here: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 03:18 layabout wrote: here: This is a strange thing to assert when as a townie you do not know who scum are and if they thought that Katina was coming back or not. Also when he votes for me he emphasises that it is to get me to answer his question. He begins by saying that i am scum. If he believes this then surely that should be the reason for his vote. By saying that he wants a response he gives himself a way to back out of pushing me. If he truly believes that i am scum then he would have no reason to do this. In which he makes no opinion and takes no stance whatsoever. #2 And here are two little points that need to be noted: + Show Spoiler [P1] + On May 04 2012 07:35 layabout wrote: BH you are just bitter because you blew your own leg off after you tried to rocket jump with the wrong boots on. I think killing something awesome could be a good move. If we still have no candidates when i get up then i think we should just lynch BM. What he's saying is that he wants to kill SomethingAwesome, but he's too damn lazy to build a case or make a push on him. He's also practically asking everyone to do the scumhunting for him while he sits back and chills. He doesn't make a read, take a stance, or form an opinion on SA. The only time he ever mentions SA is if he is defending himself. + Show Spoiler [P2] + On May 06 2012 00:55 layabout wrote: we should kill Palmar tomorrow Later on, he posts this little baby. Again, just like with SomethingAwesome, he makes the suggestion of wanting to kill Palmar. He made no case on Palmar besides the little comment. When asked why, he posts this: On May 06 2012 09:23 layabout wrote: @Mementoss i thought we should lynch Palmar over "any other lurker" because he showed basically no interest in the lynch at all. Palmar is lazy as scum but when he town he usually bothers to do ... "stuff". Of course, he had his reasons for it: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 03:50 layabout wrote: Yesterday, between the hours of (UK time) 5pm and 1 am i was otherwise engaged.+ Show Spoiler + the FA cup final was on Now try think of a way to write that without it sounding lame. And I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt, mainly because there are other reasons to think he is scum. #3 Just about more than half of layabout's posts consist only defending himself. His only other notable thing is when he puts attention and calls out jdub: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 10:00 layabout wrote: @papapanda, The number of players that make sense is far smaller than you appear to think it is. You should treasure the ones that do. Johnnywub: skim through his filter from Area 53 mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=99700 These are some of his comments (+1 from host) after the game. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 09:18 iGrok wrote: Johnny is probably town MVP. Matt is scum MVP. Also, well done by scum not to give up when St.Daniel got modkilled. On May 05 2012 09:06 johnnywup wrote: it was too late, i was away and it was 5:01. also fml i feel so shitty now. I had decent reads but I can't convey reads for shit. On May 05 2012 09:28 johnnywup wrote: im sorry i failed you town On May 05 2012 09:35 johnnywup wrote: bleh i feel so guilty for this game. if i conveyed my reads a little better or something i dont know but bleh On May 05 2012 09:41 johnnywup wrote: i thought you were scum mattchew and thats primarily because you allowed an ottox lynch with 2 confirmed scum. but no one listened to me so ugh On May 05 2012 09:49 johnnywup wrote: matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh The key things to note are that Johnny:
I see no signs of his town game so far. johnnywub is sitting back and watching the thread. When i called him out he instantly de-lurked, said nothing, and left. + Show Spoiler [Today's post's] + On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote: I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much. Also I don't want any gold stars. i looked at a filter, saw something odd, pointed it out. that's what all town should be doing. Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial On May 07 2012 04:52 johnnywup wrote: lol i love how NT says "it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd" while lurking himself On May 07 2012 04:54 johnnywup wrote: i just noticed that from your post and thought it was interesting. i guess it is rehashing. I'm just agreeing that it's strange and scummy On May 07 2012 05:02 johnnywup wrote: Paqman Marv BH and Mementoss are all saying the same thing at approximately the same time? weird, maybe you just agree with one another and want to quote it as if you found it yourself? O_o But even then, he makes no stance. He doesn't pressure jdub, doesn't make some sort fos, does nothing except call him out for lurking. I would say that that is his only other contributing post. Read through his filter and it becomes apparent that he puts more effort into defending himself than hunting scum. #4 The next thing I want to bring up is how quickly he comes to defend Kenpachi. + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 21:48 layabout wrote: If blubbdavid Nova_Terra and Paqman are the remaining scum then kenpachi has got all of them. On May 07 2012 21:51 layabout wrote: frogg we are not lynching kenpachi. don't be silly. On May 07 2012 22:12 layabout wrote: I would love to know how you felt that this: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi On May 07 2012 13:19 PaqMan wrote: Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch. I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT? I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him. Hence this quote: His only post since D2 started. He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive). Also this gem: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote: ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE? NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME NO NO NO WTF? NO i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following. by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1 i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart. BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience. He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT. ##Vote Kenpachi I'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure. was the best lynch to support? Why dont you have a look through here and tell me what you learn about kenpachi's play? Then address the cases on the people that should get lynched: Blubbdavid or Nova_Terra or might get mislynched: layabout. On May 07 2012 22:26 layabout wrote: EBWOP*So you are saying that it doesn't matter if your logic for voting on day1 is weak/contradictory/scummy because we have limited information? But Kenpachi has been more "active" than froggnoddy, Eiii, l10f, ghost_403 johnnywub, grush, mementoss, sinensis and papaganda. He might not even have PC acess at the momnet That post^ is complete BS that I don't even understand how he could have possibly came to that conclusion. The only person he's been more active than is froggynoddy, and even then Froggy's posts have way more quality than KP's does. On May 07 2012 22:35 layabout wrote: It was more of an "inactivity from a player that's always inactive is meaningless". There is also some merit to the notion that scum will try to lynch Kenpachi. I am not sure what you are trying to say but blue pyro's are trackers not not vigis. Again, you cannot be freaking serious. You pushed for BM's lynch, am I correct? SO HOW ARE YOU DEFENDING KP WHEN KP'S PLAY MATCHES EXACTLY LIKE BM! lurk, lurk, lurk, inactive, spam one-liners, purposely not contribute, purposely play anti-town. KP said that he's so busy he cannot possibly play, but he could have EASILY come up with a small read/fos/case on someone. Instead, he wastes what little time he has to shit up the thread. KP is the most anti-town player in the game right now, and you're defending him hard. Remind me why you wanted BM lynched. #5 + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 07:04 Bill Murray wrote: well, layabout hopping on the lynch makes me really suspect him he would normally leave me around if he's town of my wagon, i would like you all to lynch layabout On May 08 2012 04:22 blubbdavid wrote: layabout is scum, SA is town I will not move my vote from layabout -snipped- Hmm. The victims of our mislynches both suggest to lynch layabout. And so far we're ignoring them. Why I believe layabout to be scum boils down to; 1) Has nothing on blubb, but as soon as DYH pushes a case and lynch on him, layabout makes a weak case and pushes it forward as if he had been suspecting him for a while. 2) layabout does not create his own scumreads, does not establish his own opinions, and does not make his own stance. He has other people do the work for him, and then he starts pushing reads. Basically, he's not scum hunting. 3) All of layabout's "good, quality posts" are the only ones where he is defending himself, not doing any actual scumhunting. 4) People previously thought his analysis on Kat was an attempt at soft-defending. But after individually separating his posts, we can all clearly see how hard he is defending Kenpachi. KP's play is awfully similar to BM's. 5) I'm restating this one because I feel it's one of the stronger points against layabout: He does not actively hunt scum. All he does is push other people's reads. I retract my FoS on him. I'm confident that layabout is scum and I want him lynched tomorrow. ^spoilered for reference. Personally I think today's lynch should be between NT and layabout (with my preference of laya, of course) | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [p1] + It appears to me that you have expectations of me that you clearly do not have of others and that those expectations are not realistic ones. From the comments you make they would appear to be along these lines: 1. That a player should be voicing suspicions against a player for quite a period of time before posting a case and then voting. 2. That a player should be voicing all of the suspicions that they have First off, wth are you talking about? Unrealistic expectations? I did not state that you should list every single suspicion you have, that's nothing close to what I said. What #1 in my case points out is that *drumline* You had made no previous mention of blubby except this: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 03:18 layabout wrote: here: This is a strange thing to assert when as a townie you do not know who scum are and if they thought that Katina was coming back or not. Also when he votes for me he emphasises that it is to get me to answer his question. He begins by saying that i am scum. If he believes this then surely that should be the reason for his vote. By saying that he wants a response he gives himself a way to back out of pushing me. If he truly believes that i am scum then he would have no reason to do this. In which you no make no attempt to read his alignment. The most we can conclude from that post is that you think he's a strange townie. And yet, only a few hours after DYH made his case, you seemingly pulled a case out of nowhere agaisnt him and pushed it. + Show Spoiler [p2] + To me the scummiest of the remaining players were Johnnywub and Blubbdavid. Your scummiest reads at that time were jdub and blubb. You call out jdub: + Show Spoiler [seen here] + On May 07 2012 10:00 layabout wrote: @papapanda, The number of players that make sense is far smaller than you appear to think it is. You should treasure the ones that do. Johnnywub: skim through his filter from Area 53 mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=99700 These are some of his comments (+1 from host) after the game. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 09:18 iGrok wrote: Johnny is probably town MVP. Matt is scum MVP. Also, well done by scum not to give up when St.Daniel got modkilled. On May 05 2012 09:06 johnnywup wrote: it was too late, i was away and it was 5:01. also fml i feel so shitty now. I had decent reads but I can't convey reads for shit. On May 05 2012 09:28 johnnywup wrote: im sorry i failed you town On May 05 2012 09:35 johnnywup wrote: bleh i feel so guilty for this game. if i conveyed my reads a little better or something i dont know but bleh On May 05 2012 09:41 johnnywup wrote: i thought you were scum mattchew and thats primarily because you allowed an ottox lynch with 2 confirmed scum. but no one listened to me so ugh On May 05 2012 09:49 johnnywup wrote: matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh The key things to note are that Johnny:
I see no signs of his town game so far. johnnywub is sitting back and watching the thread. When i called him out he instantly de-lurked, said nothing, and left. + Show Spoiler [Today's post's] + On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote: I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much. Also I don't want any gold stars. i looked at a filter, saw something odd, pointed it out. that's what all town should be doing. Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial On May 07 2012 04:52 johnnywup wrote: lol i love how NT says "it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd" while lurking himself On May 07 2012 04:54 johnnywup wrote: i just noticed that from your post and thought it was interesting. i guess it is rehashing. I'm just agreeing that it's strange and scummy On May 07 2012 05:02 johnnywup wrote: Paqman Marv BH and Mementoss are all saying the same thing at approximately the same time? weird, maybe you just agree with one another and want to quote it as if you found it yourself? O_o However, you completely dropped johnnywub and instead pull a case (out of nowhere) against blubb, after DYH made his. What this looks like is that you couldn't pull support against Jdub. Instead, when it's obvious that townies would support a blubb mislynch, you pull out your own case and push forward. + Show Spoiler [p3] + Your entire spoiler: + Show Spoiler + You accuse me of jumping on blubb having not voiced suspicious of him. let's add some context: the vast majority of my posts occur in the evening for me and will nearly all lie in an 8 hour timeslot. So early day1 i felt was largely wasted and i was not enjoying going through lot's of posts about nothing. I returned to a divided and leaderless thread with what i viewed as a very small chance of lynching scum. So i tried to make the best of the situation and lynch BM (a lurker). I offered my opinion on what was being discussed. I began my posting on day 2 (not including the hurried message in the early hours of the morning) by addressing the points raised against me. Whilst reading through them i looked over a number of players including blubbdavid. Almost immediately after i posted my defence SA asked me for my thoughts on blubb so i shared what i was suspicious of. I do not explicitly say "this is scummy" but i do highlight things that are. After i seeing people cite reasons that i had already responded to and ask questions that were already answered and deliberately miss the point i grew frustrated. Angry, even. I looked at filters and what did i find? A bunch of inactives! Scoundrels that signed up and didn't really intend to play. People who offered little. People who offer almost nothing. People that are hard to analyse. But i made my scumreads. Johnnywub who was uncharacteristically watching the thread like a hawk but staying silent. And Blubbdavid who voted with questionable motivations. So after responding to the points raised against me i wrote up what i had on Johnnywub and went to sleep. I woke up to find that the thread had moved at a snails pace, Johnnywub had no votes and DoYouHas had a case on Blubb, the main point of which was that blubb was posting as if he knew that i was town. This i something that i had wondered at and questioned in thread having looked at another of blubb's posts. is ALL fluff. What does that entire spoiler consist of? All it accomplishes is summarizing past events. If that is your point-of-view, it hasn't changed anything. After i seeing people cite reasons that i had already responded to and ask questions that were already answered and deliberately miss the point i grew frustrated. I have a strong feeling you copied that excuse from Marvel. On May 09 2012 10:11 marvellosity wrote: Yes, for example the much rehashed katina argument, and frustrated at the state of the game. + Show Spoiler [p4] + I think my point here is that i made the decisions to defend myself and to push my reads. Yes, if people have read through your filter and read every single one of your posts they'd see how much effort you put into defending yourself and how little effort you put into active scum hunting. Pushing your reads? Up to this point the only people you have pushed was BM and blubb. You did not push your own read, and you pushed blubb only after DYH made his case and it was obvious the blubb lynch was supported by other people. #3 I feel that that post paints Johhny in a pretty damning light, and that his response to it painted him in a worse light. Maybe i should have added a vote or written that he is scum a few times for emphasis. I judged that my vote was likely to put a lot of people off of voting for Johnnywub, but that my analysis without a vote might be looked at a little more objectively. I also don't like voting halfway through the day but i prefer to vote towards the end when then has been more information available to aid my decision. Your entire excuse here is addressed by spoiler p2 #4 + Show Spoiler [laya's point 4] + kenpachi is pretty unreadable. Either you kill him of early, hope a vig shoots him or lynch him if you are sure that everyone else is town. He has a very anti-town playstyle. But lynching him is basically saying "i don't have any scumreads let's just kill this guy cus he is anti town. It's okay on day1 if your desperate. But past that you shouldn't be lynching him and pushing him over players that look scummy is somewhere between bad and anti-town since it is avoiding scumhunting. I would always call somebody out for a throwaway vote like that. For reference^ But lynching him is basically saying "i don't have any scumreads let's just kill this guy cus he is anti town. That is EXACTLY what happened with BM. It's okay on day1 if your desperate. And this is your justification for pushing the BM lynch but hard-defending KP... But past that you shouldn't be lynching him and pushing him over players that look scummy is somewhere between bad and anti-town since it is avoiding scumhunting. I would always call somebody out for a throwaway vote like that. I completely disagree with this. Avoiding scumhunting? BS. I didn't feel that the lynch candidates at that time weren't convincingly scummy and the cases against them weren't strong. I looked for an alternative that I felt was scummier, and guess what! My read was right! I would hardly call my actions "avoiding scumhunting". If anything, that is exactly what you are guilty of. I would always call somebody out for a throwaway vote like that. Did you? Nope. You pressured Froggynoddy into switching his vote, and that was it. #5 BM wasn't even playing and i hope you understand why i tend to leave BM around (see point 4). So his comment is of little to no value. As for Blubb, well i did vote for him didn't i? what hurt me was that when he said that i posted my case against him while he was away, before posting i checked his post times and saw that he had been online at around the time i was posting. I don't understand why you tend to leave BM around ? point 4 is your excuse for hard-defending KP and makes no mention of BM. I understand your reasons for wanting to get rid of him (they were the same reasons that I felt) but that in no way explains why you typically leave him around. His comment is valuable in that it highlights a difference in your gameplay. As for blubb, well you weren't the only one who voted him? 8 other people voted him as well. And out of the people voting him, he felt you were scum. Grush is the first time you're pushing your own read this entire game. TL;DR you're scum and your points do not convince me otherwise. | ||
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On May 10 2012 12:08 Sinensis wrote: Layabout keeps making compelling defenses... I am suddenly hesitant to keep my vote him. Especially since N_T is in the game; who hasn't made compelling posts to say the least and who hasn't put forth nearly as much effort. The more I think about it though, nothing N_T does benefits scum... or town... or himself, so I am struggling here too. Do I choose the guy who talks nicer (layabout) or the guy who helps the enemy less (N_T)? That's mostly the reason why I'm not that comfortable in lynching NT but confident with layabout. If you look into layabout, his actions this entire game benefit the scum agenda. | ||
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On May 11 2012 05:56 Mementoss wrote: Im really interested what Sinensis ghost_403 has done to make u think they are town. They have not done anything all game. Ghost is dead.. | ||
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Read your filter. I've been rereading through the thread starting at the beginning of D3. It feels like there's something I might have missed or skipped over. | ||
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On May 07 2012 04:55 Eiii wrote: zzzzz We should *kill* the lurkers by some means. We have ways of killing that isn't a lynch! Ideally we'd shoot all the lurkers and lynch people who took scummy positions. Maximum information (which is a good thing, no matter how you spin it)! That's not always possible, though-- but to lynch a lurker day one when we had a handful of lynch candidates actually puts the town behind. Really, ask yourself. If BM had been the only death day one, where would we be right now? What? No, I don't think you should be lynched for information at all. You should be lynched for pushing BM day one, which accomplished nothing, together with your questionable defense of kat when it wasn't clear that he'd be modkilled, like several other people have pointed out before me. The part about marvel isn't an accusation, just an observation that'll come into play if you flip red. Since you're so interested in what my plan is if you flip green: I'll probably say 'darn' and apologize for voting for the wrong person. And you'll be dead. I'm willing to take that chance, though! + Show Spoiler [laya post2] + On May 07 2012 06:36 Eiii wrote: Hey remember that time I prefaced a statement with 'ideally' and then you freaked the fuck out and took it as an actual defense of lurkers even when I explicitly said right beforehand that we should definitely be killing them? That was great. You're deliberately misinterpreting what I said there. I never came anywhere close to saying we should grant lurkers immunity from being lynched, just that they're always the best option when they can easily be killed off in other ways and we can get more out of our lynch. Plus, lynches aren't the most reliable way to kill people by a long shot. With lynches, we have to deal with mafia influence in arguments and votes. With a vig? He just shoots whoever he wants and that person dies. Seems pretty reliable to me! I refuse to believe you actually think this. Mislynching an active town-- or at least one that tries to defend himself-- has a completely different outcome than lynching a lurker who everyone just kind of agrees is *probably* going to be bad for town so whatever let's kill him. Here's how I see things: Day one is always a chaotic waste of time that usually results in a mislynch or something else equally retarded (e.g. BM lynch). Day two is then mostly driven by analyzing who did what day one and, with the information gained from the day/night deaths, how those actions look. And hey, what do you know, that's almost exactly how this game is going! A good chunk of the talk today has been about Kat/206 and how people connect to them or how they connect to others-- but no one has said a thing about the BM lynch. Because it was useless. Let's pretend that you *actually* read and understood that and aren't just trying to attack me for whatever reason. Lynching you for information isn't even remotely close to lynching you because you're scum, and then looking into the connections that start popping up once you flip red. I want to kill you because you've done scummy things. You started a scummy lynch bandwagon day one and you defended another scum, which is suspicious in ways that have been brought up again and again. So I agree-- let's lynch scum! If only you had that same mantra day one, when you decided that you didn't like where the lynch was going so you just threw a lurker (or 'inactive', whatever) onto the fire, who you had no reason to believe was red. What happened to 'let's lynch scum' then? When you're desperate for a lynch you find the scummiest player and you lynch them, you don't just redirect the lynch onto whoever's convenient. 'Player X is scummy and the best candidate we have for a lynch today-- but let's not lynch them! They're smart! Let's at least wait until later.' ...that's a perfectly reasonable, valid defense to you? ok.  Eiii believed layabout was scum at the time of those posts. He then follows up with this: On May 08 2012 05:39 Eiii wrote: Hmmmm. blubbdavid's convinced me, I'm gonna switch my vote over to him. With his reason being: + Show Spoiler + On May 08 2012 05:59 Eiii wrote: In my experience, when people blow up under pressure like this, they're usually scum :s Why does that bother me? Because he easily dropped his one & only scumread to join the blubb wagon. He had no hesitation with dropping layabout in favor of blubb. His last-minute voteswitch was weird and I don't know what to make of it.FoS. People need to put some attention on him and make him de-lurk. Good D4 lynch. All of my previous fos's were horrible. I will look into NT as a possible lynch and re-evaluate my opinions. | ||
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On May 12 2012 02:02 Eiii wrote: Didn't you read his 100% objective list?! He's like, 8th. list doesn't lie bro Yo Eiii, you didn't respond. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 10:35 PaqMan wrote: + Show Spoiler [laya post1] + On May 07 2012 04:55 Eiii wrote: zzzzz We should *kill* the lurkers by some means. We have ways of killing that isn't a lynch! Ideally we'd shoot all the lurkers and lynch people who took scummy positions. Maximum information (which is a good thing, no matter how you spin it)! That's not always possible, though-- but to lynch a lurker day one when we had a handful of lynch candidates actually puts the town behind. Really, ask yourself. If BM had been the only death day one, where would we be right now? What? No, I don't think you should be lynched for information at all. You should be lynched for pushing BM day one, which accomplished nothing, together with your questionable defense of kat when it wasn't clear that he'd be modkilled, like several other people have pointed out before me. The part about marvel isn't an accusation, just an observation that'll come into play if you flip red. Since you're so interested in what my plan is if you flip green: I'll probably say 'darn' and apologize for voting for the wrong person. And you'll be dead. I'm willing to take that chance, though! + Show Spoiler [laya post2] + On May 07 2012 06:36 Eiii wrote: Hey remember that time I prefaced a statement with 'ideally' and then you freaked the fuck out and took it as an actual defense of lurkers even when I explicitly said right beforehand that we should definitely be killing them? That was great. You're deliberately misinterpreting what I said there. I never came anywhere close to saying we should grant lurkers immunity from being lynched, just that they're always the best option when they can easily be killed off in other ways and we can get more out of our lynch. Plus, lynches aren't the most reliable way to kill people by a long shot. With lynches, we have to deal with mafia influence in arguments and votes. With a vig? He just shoots whoever he wants and that person dies. Seems pretty reliable to me! I refuse to believe you actually think this. Mislynching an active town-- or at least one that tries to defend himself-- has a completely different outcome than lynching a lurker who everyone just kind of agrees is *probably* going to be bad for town so whatever let's kill him. Here's how I see things: Day one is always a chaotic waste of time that usually results in a mislynch or something else equally retarded (e.g. BM lynch). Day two is then mostly driven by analyzing who did what day one and, with the information gained from the day/night deaths, how those actions look. And hey, what do you know, that's almost exactly how this game is going! A good chunk of the talk today has been about Kat/206 and how people connect to them or how they connect to others-- but no one has said a thing about the BM lynch. Because it was useless. Let's pretend that you *actually* read and understood that and aren't just trying to attack me for whatever reason. Lynching you for information isn't even remotely close to lynching you because you're scum, and then looking into the connections that start popping up once you flip red. I want to kill you because you've done scummy things. You started a scummy lynch bandwagon day one and you defended another scum, which is suspicious in ways that have been brought up again and again. So I agree-- let's lynch scum! If only you had that same mantra day one, when you decided that you didn't like where the lynch was going so you just threw a lurker (or 'inactive', whatever) onto the fire, who you had no reason to believe was red. What happened to 'let's lynch scum' then? When you're desperate for a lynch you find the scummiest player and you lynch them, you don't just redirect the lynch onto whoever's convenient. 'Player X is scummy and the best candidate we have for a lynch today-- but let's not lynch them! They're smart! Let's at least wait until later.' ...that's a perfectly reasonable, valid defense to you? ok. Eiii believed layabout was scum at the time of those posts. He then follows up with this: With his reason being: + Show Spoiler + On May 08 2012 05:59 Eiii wrote: In my experience, when people blow up under pressure like this, they're usually scum :s Why does that bother me? Because he easily dropped his one & only scumread to join the blubb wagon. He had no hesitation with dropping layabout in favor of blubb. His last-minute voteswitch was weird and I don't know what to make of it.FoS. People need to put some attention on him and make him de-lurk. Good D4 lynch. All of my previous fos's were horrible. I will look into NT as a possible lynch and re-evaluate my opinions. Stop lurking man. | ||
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On May 12 2012 05:50 Mementoss wrote: So here you are admitting to acting like scum. The real question is why would you act like scum if you were town? Sorry, but I don't see where he's "admitting to acting like scum"? | ||
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On May 12 2012 07:13 Nova_Terra wrote: Cases and posts against Eiii are at least convincing enough to warrant his vote. Therefore, i would like to see how he flips for info. Isn't that a no no?.... | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:44 Kurumi wrote: Day 1 FINAL tally Katina -2 DoYouHas Nova_Terra 4 Mementoss Kenpachi slOosh Bill Murray Blazinghand Mementoss 2 Eiii Nova_Terra Katina: 0 grush57: 2 Sinensis froggynoddy Sinensis: 1 ghost_403 BillMurray 10 PaqMan layabout johnnywup grush57 marvellosity SomethingAwesome papapanda Palmar layabout 2 BlackRaven blubbdavid l10f might not be in here, he will be saved because he pmed me 9he has finals) Day 1 ends at 22:00 GMT (+00:00), ~15 minutes from this post NOTE: I edit posts instead of posting new ones usually. http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/SK.Testie + Show Spoiler [D2] + On May 08 2012 05:34 Kurumi wrote: Vote count day 2 ghost_403: 0 layabout: 3 blubbdavid Eiii papapanda Nova_Terra: 5 Blazinghand Mementoss Marvellosity Kenpachi Sinensis Kenpachi: 2 Nova_Terra (PaqMan) Eiii: 1 l10f PaqMan: 0 blubbdavid: 7 DoYouHas SomethingAwesome layabout froggynoddy johnnywup grush57 ghost_403 + Show Spoiler [D3] + On May 11 2012 05:19 Kurumi wrote: Day 3 vote count Nova_Terra: 3 [blue]Blazinghand marvellosity [blue]Mementoss layabout: 5 PaqMan Eiii Sinensis grush57 papapanda papapanda: 1 Nova_Terra grush57: 3 froggynoddy layabout l10f A little under 1 hour to go! Barundar is sexy and cute Made for reference^ | ||
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On May 12 2012 09:33 marvellosity wrote: Uh huh, he only posts no-nos, can we just lynch him? I am still reading over him | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [D2] + On May 08 2012 05:34 Kurumi wrote: Vote count day 2 ghost_403: 0 layabout: 3 blubbdavid Eiii papapanda Nova_Terra: 5 Blazinghand Mementoss Marvellosity Kenpachi Sinensis Kenpachi: 2 Nova_Terra (PaqMan) Eiii: 1 l10f PaqMan: 0 blubbdavid: 7 DoYouHas SomethingAwesome layabout froggynoddy johnnywup grush57 ghost_403 | ||
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On May 11 2012 14:36 Nova_Terra wrote: but i would prefer to lynch grush or papa over marv NT what happened about lynching grush or papa? | ||
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On May 13 2012 18:51 Eiii wrote: man this whole situation kind of sucks. It's impossible for me to tell if NT is just playing really really badly (suggesting lynching for information when it's been EXPLICITLY mentioned in this game that that's a horrible idea) on purpose to try to solidify his newb town claim or if he actually just has no clue what he's doing. wifom wifom wifom. weird black-and-white statements like this are pretty retarded too, but it's the same deal there. obviously I feel l10f is pretty scummy at this point, since he's been attacking me for actions I've done that I can't really see as scummy. Between his overnight shift into pushing me as #1 scum as hard as possible, providing arbitrary lists and calling them 100% objective, then manipulating those lists to try to get people to accept them... I dunno, it feels like he's trying to disrupt and take control of town as much as possible which is pretty sketchy when we're so close to lylo. My late-night snap decision on the subject is that we really, really can't let plays like N_T's stand. If we still had vigs then he should outright be shot instead of lynched, but it looks like we're out of those. voting for NT. You think he's scum because he thinks your scum?... | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [p1] + On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote: People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude. I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him. Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here? "People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target" "I wouldn't mind lynching NT" That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there. He then gives us this: On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote: I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT: . .. ... Looks like it's Nova_Terra ##vote: Nova_Terra Uhhh, WTF?!?!?! Someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is bothered by this. Easy way to avoid active scumhunting. Contradictory statements. Lazy. What I needed to say is already stated in the spoiler, so on to the next ones! + Show Spoiler [layabout case] + On May 05 2012 14:14 Sinensis wrote: My suspicious is off grush for now because of D1. I want to talk now about layabout and why I think he's suspicious. You spend a lot of time defending Katina, you also say the only way she is suspicious is "the way in which she puts attention on BM." You defend her again here: You also ask what other people think of SomethingAwesome's "BS." I think SomethingAwesome might have been onto something honestly. The first thing you said in the entire game was that you were AGAINST policy lynches and that "they are no better this game than they ever were before" You then completely disregard your own advice not to policy lynch (below) and vote Bill Murry, who Katina was supposedly suspicious for bringing attention to. Also, if you're not even going to follow the advice you posted not to policy lynch... what was the point in posting that in the first place other than to look like you were contributing when you really weren't? So you think killing SomethingAwesome could be a good move, presumably because you think he's scum. But instead of building a case around SomethingAwesome, you decide to vote BM based on meta. Who are you to decide if there "is no real candidate?" There were plenty of people with plenty of reads at the time. You even repeat this: Then you repeat it again: Last thing, there is no such thing as an anti-town town member. If someone is town, just by being alive they are helping town. Killing an "anti-town" town member is still killing a town member. Killing town players because they "aren't useful anyway" or "are anti town" is scum logic. + Show Spoiler [papapanda case] + On May 11 2012 12:22 Sinensis wrote: Sorry about that layabout. I would like to talk before night ends about some people I think are getting a free ride, that don't deserve it. I am anticipating focus being on grush and N_T, but there are two others that need some looking at. First I will look at papapanda: Went ahead and bolded everything I have a problem with. This is his first post in the whole thread. What is see is a paranoid mess. Papapanda uses a slash every time he says something serious because he wants to make sure he has covered all his bases/been as nonspecific as possible/has chosen the best sounding/most town-like voice possible/see why this is convoluted and a horrible way to express yourself? Your scum team probably told you to cut it out with all the wishy-washy slashes after your first post, and you appear to have listened as this is the only time you talk like that. Also, never while playing town seriously would I ever say I am "hardcore town." You don't need an adjective to describe how town you are unless you aren't town. He was neither, and this question accomplishes nothing. Makes apologetic face. Apologizes. Apologizes again. Claims to be noob. Scummy. After I vote for grush, papapanda decides to call me out... or something... saying I am suspicious of sheeping Blazinghand if I change my vote? Uh, whether I am sheeping Blazinghand or not (I wasn't), what does changing my vote have to do with anything? Yeah, I probably wouldn't like stepping into BH's line of fire as scum too. Lets look at the BM lynch, you didn't support it: You're against it again: Against it again: Starting to see a pattern? You're against lynching BM again: But wait, what now? Apologizes, apologetic face, suddenly BM is a good lynch? Once BM flipped town, you explained for vote for him... but not the sudden switch: HERE IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING; so you believe mafia lynched BM because they had a plan for lynching veterans who are slightly inactive, i.e. easy targets? I know I saw something like this in the thread the day before, let me see if I can find it again: So the way you see it is that when there are two suspicious guys, lynch the veteran (i.e. Bill Murray)? That doesn't make any sense to me especially since you are a new player here and have no way of knowing who the vets are, not to mention it is not town-like to vote someone just because they are more experienced. I have never heard a town player say "We should lynch HIM because he has MORE experience!" What do these two "cases" have in common? #1 Sinensis makes no conclusion in either one of them whatsoever. #2 They are Post-By-Post cases. In other words they take up a lot of space and make it look like he is contributing. I really dislike these kind of cases because they're easy for scum to look like they're contributing. #3 All he is doing is narrating each of those posts while making no conclusions of his own. Read #2. #4 These are Sinensis' ONLY significant posts this whole game. On May 12 2012 06:01 Sinensis wrote: I have stuff to say about l10f but I have to go to work right now. Be back in about 6-7 hours. I'm probably going to be voting for l10f if mafia doesn't kill me for wanting to kill l10f. Please note the bold. Also; he has yet to say "stuff" about I10f. On May 13 2012 12:05 Sinensis wrote: I'm probably voting Papapanda tomorrow. I already have a case posted on him. That plus his most recent post where he wants to lynch for information is plenty enough for a conviction in my mind. note bold. On May 13 2012 22:52 Sinensis wrote: I am voting for N_T because of his garbage filter and because he wants to lynch for information. Papapanda just said he wants to lynch for information and agreed with N_T, the guy I want to lynch, that lynching for information makes sense. note bold This goes to show how wishy-washy he's starting to act. This obviously isn't my strongest point but it still needs to be put out there and addressed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&user=45996 Sinensis' filter. Throughout that entire filter, the majority of his posts consist of asking questions. He makes scumreads and Fos's in there, but he doesn't actively push them. His PbP "cases" are long, narrative, and weak. They're filled with useless comments and one-liners that simply narrate the posts and make the case appear lengthy. They make it look like he's contributing. He doesn't make any conclusions. He isn't actively hunting scum. He's a definite FoS and when Day comes we seriously need to look into him. | ||
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On May 15 2012 03:16 Sinensis wrote: @PaqMan: 1. I voted both N_T and layabout when it was time for their lynch. Flipping a coin between the two was my way of deciding which to try and lynch FIRST. 2. In both those cases, the ones on papapanda and l10f, I concluded that bother were suspicious. Maybe you missed the multitude of times I called each scum/mafia. Also, did you seriously just scold me for posting reads? Why am I being called out for posting reads? 3. You accuse me of narrating. It helps me to narrate from a person's perspective to gain insights on what I would do in their situation, to check and see if they have similar motivations as me. Someone who says: "We should lynch someone in order to gain information on who to lynch next." DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME MOTIVATIONS AS ME. (referring to N_T and papapanda) #1 So you basically randomly picked one of them to lynch, instead of the one you felt was scummier at that time? #2 a) After rereading your case on layabout, the most conclusive thing you came up with is this: + Show Spoiler + Killing town players because they "aren't useful anyway" or "are anti town" is scum logic. In the papapanda case the strongest conclusion was: + Show Spoiler + I have never heard a town player say "We should lynch HIM because he has MORE experience!" So I guess I did miss the "multitude of times". #2 b) Did you even read my post? Please oh please point out where I was scolding you for posting reads! I said "He makes scumreads and Fos's in there, but he doesn't actively push them.." I was pointing out that you DO NOT ACTIVELY PUSH YOUR SCUMREADS. #3 I do accuse of being a narrator. Your "helps me gain insight" excuse is complete bull. Read:+ Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 12:22 Sinensis wrote: Sorry about that layabout. I would like to talk before night ends about some people I think are getting a free ride, that don't deserve it. I am anticipating focus being on grush and N_T, but there are two others that need some looking at. First I will look at papapanda: Went ahead and bolded everything I have a problem with. This is his first post in the whole thread. What is see is a paranoid mess. Papapanda uses a slash every time he says something serious because he wants to make sure he has covered all his bases/been as nonspecific as possible/has chosen the best sounding/most town-like voice possible/see why this is convoluted and a horrible way to express yourself? Your scum team probably told you to cut it out with all the wishy-washy slashes after your first post, and you appear to have listened as this is the only time you talk like that. Also, never while playing town seriously would I ever say I am "hardcore town." You don't need an adjective to describe how town you are unless you aren't town. He was neither, and this question accomplishes nothing. Makes apologetic face. Apologizes. Apologizes again. Claims to be noob. Scummy. After I vote for grush, papapanda decides to call me out... or something... saying I am suspicious of sheeping Blazinghand if I change my vote? Uh, whether I am sheeping Blazinghand or not (I wasn't), what does changing my vote have to do with anything? Yeah, I probably wouldn't like stepping into BH's line of fire as scum too. Lets look at the BM lynch, you didn't support it: You're against it again: Against it again: Starting to see a pattern? You're against lynching BM again: But wait, what now? Apologizes, apologetic face, suddenly BM is a good lynch? Once BM flipped town, you explained for vote for him... but not the sudden switch: HERE IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING; so you believe mafia lynched BM because they had a plan for lynching veterans who are slightly inactive, i.e. easy targets? I know I saw something like this in the thread the day before, let me see if I can find it again: So the way you see it is that when there are two suspicious guys, lynch the veteran (i.e. Bill Murray)? That doesn't make any sense to me especially since you are a new player here and have no way of knowing who the vets are, not to mention it is not town-like to vote someone just because they are more experienced. I have never heard a town player say "We should lynch HIM because he has MORE experience!" Notice all those little useless one-liner comments? I don't even need to bold them all. You're not, "narrating from a person's perspective," you're just summarizing each individual post. Also I believe you've misinterpreted his quotes on that last part. He was pointing out that BM, being a veteran, is obviously a good potention scumhunter if he decides to play protown. He then goes on to say that a more experienced player who rolled scum is less likely to act like a bad townie/make noob mistakes. On May 15 2012 03:24 Sinensis wrote: Also, papapanda, don't you EVER accuse me of making my posts intentionally long winded after I spend 20+ on each lengthy one trying to shorten it with millions of spoiler tags. Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience. 20+ minutes? Millions of spoiler tags? I call bs. The only thing you did was spoiler each quote. And now you are threatening town by refusing to make cases? That's real town play there. My point still stands. Your two most significant posts this entire game have next-to-no content in them. You ignored this part of my FoS: + Show Spoiler [p1] + On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote: People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude. I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him. Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here? "People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target" "I wouldn't mind lynching NT" That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there. You ignored the part of my FoS where I point out your wishy-washyness. You have also yet to post your "stuff" on I10f. TL;DR I'm down with lynching Sinensis and I suggest you go back and read why. | ||
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On May 15 2012 06:58 marvellosity wrote: Didn't even get posts from him tonight :/ Paqman, where are you? Just got home and had to write up my response! checking out your case now | ||
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On May 15 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote: After reading my case, do you think Sinensis is scummier? If so, what is it that tips the balance for you? Yeah I'm more confident in Sinensis being scum than I10f. His two content-less PbP cases in which he hardly makes a conclusion. He doesn't push his scumreads. He contradicts himself in a horrible way (and didn't even address it when I brought it up). He's just recently become wishy-washy now that his two consistent reads (layabout and NT) are dead. And his most-recent declaration: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 03:24 Sinensis wrote: Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience. I call him out on purposely trying to fluff up his cases, and he tells me that he's going to purposely play anti-town and not contribute. basically, all the reasons listed in my FoS and response to his defense. | ||
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On May 15 2012 09:00 l10f wrote: Of course you have hard time agreeing, because you're scum? Why are you even saying hard time? If you're town you know you don't agree. If you're scum you know you don't agree. What do you mean shift attention onto you? I had no attention on me until I accused you! So what shifting? There was no shifting. I'd been advocating your lynch since day 2! To everyone else, think about what reason I would possibly have to come out and point fingers at people if no one suspected me in the first place! If I was scum, I could have lurked my way into victory, which is what Eiii is doing, and will accomplish if you lynch me today. I think I deserve a chance to prove my reads on Eiii now since we've had three mislynches since I first accused him. You completely avoided Marv's case and you've done nothing to stop me from supporting your lynch. | ||
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On May 16 2012 05:25 papapanda wrote: Paqman: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 09:40 PaqMan wrote: Yeah I'm more confident in Sinensis being scum than I. His two content-less PbP cases am which he hardly makes a doctor. He doesn't push his scumreads. Who contradicts himself in a horrible way (and didn't even address it when I brought it up). He's should recently become wishy-washy now that I two consistent heal (layabout and NT) are tonight. Give me most-recent three: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 03:24 Sinensis wrote: Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience. I call him out on purposely trying to fluff up his cases, and he tells me that he's going to purposely play anti-town and not contribute. basically, all the options listed in Marvellosity FoS and knows too his defense. This is your reply to Marvel's question. Like marvel said, sinensis doesn't seem to have an agenda for what he is doing so far, but l10f seem to be more oriented. Can you address this point? He's managed to stay off of everyone's radar, appears to contribute, and when called out threatens to purposely play anti-town. basically he's just sitting back letting town kill themselves. That's a pretty good scum agenda. On May 16 2012 05:25 Sinensis wrote: I don't have anything to say to the pressure unless anyone has specific questions. They finally got BlazingHand. I don't know who to vote honestly. I could go for either Papapanda or l10f just because I have a feeling. Though now that I think about it grush has been alive for an awfully long time considering he claimed blue so early, also probably the weakest filter left. Be back after work in 6 hours. still ignoring the contradictions I pointed out, still ignoring the wishy-washyness. I could go for either Papapanda or l10f just because I have a feeling. Jumping on a wagon. | ||
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On May 16 2012 12:19 Sinensis wrote: Papapanda I have a post on this exact same page that says who I'm thinking about. I am thinking about l10f, you, and grush. Grush only because he's still alive and was the first to claim blue... but that's really all I've got left. My two big picks for scum this game both flipped town and now everyone, grush aside, is starting to look the same to me. There's no way mafia would have hit some of the people that got hit before grush if he was town. l10f and papapanda are talking too much right now to justify voting them when grush is still around. I'm going to put my vote on grush. I'm still waiting for PaqMan to ask me questions if he has them, if you want to just vote for me though that's fine too. Your loss. You obviously haven't been reading my posts. + Show Spoiler + On May 16 2012 11:13 PaqMan wrote: @Papapanda He's managed to stay off of everyone's radar, appears to contribute, and when called out threatens to purposely play anti-town. basically he's just sitting back letting town kill themselves. That's a pretty good scum agenda. still ignoring the contradictions I pointed out, still ignoring the wishy-washyness. Jumping on a wagon. You haven't addressed your contradiction. You haven't addressed your wishy-washyness. You haven't posted "stuff" on I10f like you said you would. You're not even trying to convince me that you're town and my vote is wrong. And how exactly is it my loss for voting you? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 16 2012 11:13 PaqMan wrote: @Papapanda He's managed to stay off of everyone's radar, appears to contribute, and when called out threatens to purposely play anti-town. basically he's just sitting back letting town kill themselves. That's a pretty good scum agenda. still ignoring the contradictions I pointed out, still ignoring the wishy-washyness. Jumping on a wagon. I'm sure he's scum. I haven't seen anything from him to convince me otherwise. He also placed an unexplained ninja vote on grush. | ||
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On May 17 2012 08:04 PaqMan wrote: I wasn't being sarcastic. While it wasn't answered directly, I did answer your question. + Show Spoiler + On May 16 2012 11:13 PaqMan wrote: @Papapanda He's managed to stay off of everyone's radar, appears to contribute, and when called out threatens to purposely play anti-town. basically he's just sitting back letting town kill themselves. That's a pretty good scum agenda. still ignoring the contradictions I pointed out, still ignoring the wishy-washyness. Jumping on a wagon. I'm sure he's scum. I haven't seen anything from him to convince me otherwise. He also placed an unexplained ninja vote on grush. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [breadcrumb] + On May 05 2012 12:43 PaqMan wrote: Then what was your reason for voting her? Becuase all you said was + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 05:33 slOosh wrote: Bah isn't deadline in 30 minutes??? I'm down for a katina vote, as outlined by DYH and BH before me. Her filter shows that she has likes and dislikes of what's going on, but she doesn't take that into figuring out alignments. Easy explanation. You knew your scummates were inactive because they werent talking in your QT, so you bussed them. I don't see you coincidentally voting for the two scum that get modkilled. And now you're using that for town credit. Voting with BH because BH seemed town? Couldnt be much lazier. In BHs last game (LII) he tunneled marv his entire game. Guess what marv flipped (town). You say its bull now, but did you do anything to stop it? Nada! you let it run its full course without any objections whatsoever. I dont like theuls. Sloosh looks like scum. now excuse my, im not completely sober. TGIF ftw! I tried to spell out TRACKER but it's a hell lot harder than it looks. I forgot to put in the R also. theuls is sleuth spelled backwards, except I managed to spell it wrong. But it means detective, investigator, tracker. My results for tracking since N1 are as follows: + Show Spoiler [track results] + N1: I tracked SlOosh, no actions made. N2: I tracked layabout, no actions made. N3: I tracked Eiii, no actions made. N4: I tracked Sinensis, Roleblocked! N5: I tracked Sinensis, no actions made. The reason I didn't claim the day before is because only Vanilla Townies are notified if they are role blocked, so I didn't want to give myself away. The last two scum is Roleblocker and Godfather. This is significant information because it means that the last two scum are always visiting other people. The roleblocker is visiting someone to RB them, and the GF is visiting someone to send in the kill. They're always moving. This basically clears Sinensis as VT. The remaining people are: grush57, marvellosity, papapanda, and froggynoddy. Two of them are scum. I would be completely okay with lynching marv. In fact, last night I was pretty confident that either me or him would be killed. I was not expecting Eiii to die. I think the only reason they wouldn't kill him is because he might push a mislynch. I will go back and read into them but they need to be our main focus. | ||
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It's obvious that the roleblocker was going around RBing every townie he can. I don't see why they would have randomly stopped in fear of getting tracked. I was playing very stupid and I JUST REALIZED last night that you can't be scum because the last two scum have been visiting other people the whole time. I will be back later today. Sine seriously reconsider your vote on me and tell me who, out of the 4 people I named, you think is scum. | ||
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The reason I placed my vote on Froggy this morning was because I remembered when I was pushing for KP to get lynched and froggy joined me. Right after that, layabout put only a little pressure on him and he easily gave up on KP and switched. I will be switching my vote to grush now. | ||
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On May 18 2012 22:17 marvellosity wrote: If you really need me to explain this, I will. you might as well because i did not catch it. Why do you choose grush over froggynoddy? | ||
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This was the first game I've played a blue role. This is upsetting /: | ||
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