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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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SamuelLJackson
223 Posts
On April 24 2012 07:11 Ace wrote: Just because I was late and didn't agree with a quick lynch of marvellosity/Zentor doesn't mean I didn't understand what I read. Are you telling me you preparded that post earlier the day to only post it 10 mins before the deadline? Or are you pissed about me calling you clueless or whatever I called you yesterday, when you arrived 10 mins before deadline making it look like you have not read the last couple of pages before that happened, forcing you to read through them really quick, post something really quick, which was after all a suprisingly big post considering your "fuck, need to post, need to vote, no modkill, fast"-situation you were in and vote something really quick. Anyways have to leave again really quick :p --- Toad | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Answering Ace, disregard meta, I just found it weird that Radfield chose to with hold information town 'could' have in the form of a case on VE, but then he just sheeped, I compared that to Radfield in Im A Cop You Idiot where when he made a case when he was suspicious of BH. Reading thread. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On April 24 2012 19:33 Bluelightz wrote: Sup bros, back Answering Ace, disregard meta, I just found it weird that Radfield chose to with hold information town 'could' have in the form of a case on VE, but then he just sheeped, I compared that to Radfield in Im A Cop You Idiot where when he made a case when he was suspicious of BH. Reading thread. I think you misunderstand what happened. I was not withholding information that could have formed a case on VE. I was voting him specifically because I wanted to see how he reacted with a bit of pressure. In other games I have played with VE he has buckled a bit under pressure. Unfortunately, I did not have time to properly follow up my vote with accusations etc. Hence my pressure was pretty non-existent. Ace wrote: @Radfield: Well you sure made it back in time with a thoughtful little post. But I don't agree with "dont lynch a strong Town player" theory. We lynch people that are shown to have scummy behavior regardless of past performance or reputation. None of us as far as I know, know each others' alignment. So just assuming that stance is ridiculous. I also don't buy that you didn't really want to lynch VE. If VE was at 5 votes and made that same post would you really have showed up to stop the wagon? If VE was at 5 votes then presumably he would have done something to garner those votes in the meantime. In which case obviously I would readjust depending on the situation. If the exact same situation had occurred (VE not posting) and he was up to 5 votes, then yes I would have left my vote, since the pressure I was looking for would have materialized. The key though is how he would have responded. Also, you know as well as anyone that I die early and often, so why are you trying(weakly) to get me lynched off some weak reason? You also know as well as anyone that if I'm given some time to play, I generate fairly accurate reads by around the end of Day 2. So why are you slinging mud my way when there is no cause to do so? Sit back, see if my reads match yours, see if I'm still alive when I shouldn't be, and THEN tell me why I'm scummy. Right now your vote on me does nothing but reduce the likelihood of other town players listening to me. It was not a serious shot at getting me lynched, only a hit at my credibility. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On April 24 2012 19:37 Bluelightz wrote: Radfield, if you have ANY other reason's on why VE is scum, can you post it? thanks. My initial concern was his first 3 posts seemed off to me. Since then I don't get a strong feeling either way on him. I have him as a null read. However, that is a null read in a game where I have a lot of town reads. He's one of the few players I'm keeping a close eye on. Sandro, how much time do you expect to devote to this game? Are you planning on letting Toad do the majority of the posting, or do you think you'll be around? | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On April 24 2012 05:32 marvellosity wrote: Because I'm new and bad, obviously Would mafia be posting THAT unsafe? I feel like that marv didn't fear ANYTHING, so therefore he is town, Mafia wouldn't go like that (straightly pulling the newbie card) after being accused. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Can you give me some more input on MrZentor please. I still think that he is the scummiest in this thread. I know that you guys think that it's not mafia like to draw attention to themselves with an overly aggressive style like that, but I'm arguing that it looks forced and fake (and it's not townie style either!). With the amount of ad hominem jabs he's taken at me and Forumite he's either scum or an asshole and from the communication I just had with him in Space Station, he seemed like a really cool guy. He's just ignoring me now which makes absolutely no sense to me, I imagine that a townie would either try to explain stuff to me (since I'm actively trying to understand) or he would call me scum but he does neither and it seems really fake. I'm really angry with myself for not just pushing his lynch harder yesterday and getting it over with, he's going to be such an annoying factor in this game for me from now on no matter what his alignment is. What do you think about the no-lynch? Isn't it weird that town didn't just scramble for "information lynch" or whatever? I see it as a huge mistake that we didn't just lynch MrZentor yesterday. I should just have pushed his lynch harder. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 24 2012 20:14 Bluelightz wrote: Right now, I REALLY want to believe marv is scum, but I believe he is town, look at this: Would mafia be posting THAT unsafe? I feel like that marv didn't fear ANYTHING, so therefore he is town, Mafia wouldn't go like that (straightly pulling the newbie card) after being accused. That's terrible reasoning for me being town, but ok. I'm town because I'm transparent and don't do anti-town things (see zentor), but if you wanna clear me for that, be my guest | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On April 24 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote: @Bluelightz, Radfield Can you give me some more input on MrZentor please. I still think that he is the scummiest in this thread. I know that you guys think that it's not mafia like to draw attention to themselves with an overly aggressive style like that, but I'm arguing that it looks forced and fake (and it's not townie style either!). With the amount of ad hominem jabs he's taken at me and Forumite he's either scum or an asshole and from the communication I just had with him in Space Station, he seemed like a really cool guy. He's just ignoring me now which makes absolutely no sense to me, I imagine that a townie would either try to explain stuff to me (since I'm actively trying to understand) or he would call me scum but he does neither and it seems really fake. I'm really angry with myself for not just pushing his lynch harder yesterday and getting it over with, he's going to be such an annoying factor in this game for me from now on no matter what his alignment is. What do you think about the no-lynch? Isn't it weird that town didn't just scramble for "information lynch" or whatever? I see it as a huge mistake that we didn't just lynch MrZentor yesterday. I should just have pushed his lynch harder. No Lynch --> ##@!$!$!@#$ I didn't see ANY reason for us to no-lynch today -,-, imo, we missed much information by no-lynching, Information such as who sheep people etc. MrZentor --> Im very willing to switch my reads on Zentor, looking back on his filter, his contributions are very minimal. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
223 Posts
On April 24 2012 20:14 Bluelightz wrote: Right now, I REALLY want to believe marv is scum, but I believe he is town, look at this: Would mafia be posting THAT unsafe? I feel like that marv didn't fear ANYTHING, so therefore he is town, Mafia wouldn't go like that (straightly pulling the newbie card) after being accused. Here's the interesting part about you: You say that about every guy in this game and I already told you d1 I don't care about your townreads, that's a null. Scum can do that themselves because they know who is mafia and who is not. so WHO do you think is mafia. You are against every lynch because EVERY guy is a townie according to you. Do you think this is some kind of 13 jester troll set-up done by Igrok or do you actually believe there are mafias within the 13 players? Why do you always keep on telling us how everyone is town but completly ignore the fact that there are bound to be some mafias, yet you completly ignore that part of the game as far as I recall. I haven't read your filter most recently because it was a bunch of nothing with some townreads every now and than mixed in but that's what I remember you for the most. A guy who keeps on telling everyone that everyone is town in this game. How is that possible. Are you actually that much of a paranoid (well more the opposite of paranoid I guess?) townie or are you a mafia dodging accusations, talking only about your (easy to do) townreads who's not willing to give a single mafiaread? --- Toad | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On April 24 2012 21:13 SamuelLJackson wrote: Here's the interesting part about you: You say that about every guy in this game and I already told you d1 I don't care about your townreads, that's a null. Scum can do that themselves because they know who is mafia and who is not. so WHO do you think is mafia. You are against every lynch because EVERY guy is a townie according to you. Do you think this is some kind of 13 jester troll set-up done by Igrok or do you actually believe there are mafias within the 13 players? Why do you always keep on telling us how everyone is town but completly ignore the fact that there are bound to be some mafias, yet you completly ignore that part of the game as far as I recall. I haven't read your filter most recently because it was a bunch of nothing with some townreads every now and than mixed in but that's what I remember you for the most. A guy who keeps on telling everyone that everyone is town in this game. How is that possible. Are you actually that much of a paranoid (well more the opposite of paranoid I guess?) townie or are you a mafia dodging accusations, talking only about your (easy to do) townreads who's not willing to give a single mafiaread? --- Toad Toad, I know that your not Okay with this, but at least im going to explain how im going to try to find scum :/ 1 Mr Zentor 2 SamuelLJackson (Toadesstern+sandroba hydra) 3 Radfield 4 Snarfs 5 VisceraEyes 6 Phagga 7 prplhz 8 strongandbig 9 Forumite 10 Sbrubbles 11 marvellosity 13 Ace By cutting down the townies who I think are town, There are less people to read,etc. I guess you may just call this by process of elimination. Also, your exaggerating very much, I'm not calling 'EVERYONE' Town. On my suspicions, I have a sneaking feeling that prp is scum, MrZentor I'm debating as well. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 24 2012 15:48 SamuelLJackson wrote: Are you telling me you preparded that post earlier the day to only post it 10 mins before the deadline? Or are you pissed about me calling you clueless or whatever I called you yesterday, when you arrived 10 mins before deadline making it look like you have not read the last couple of pages before that happened, forcing you to read through them really quick, post something really quick, which was after all a suprisingly big post considering your "fuck, need to post, need to vote, no modkill, fast"-situation you were in and vote something really quick. Anyways have to leave again really quick :p --- Toad Not pissed but that's the gist of it. Even though the vote looked like it was late thats because I actually was reading and responding to various points. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
223 Posts
I basicly disagree with everyone on there except for my own name being green 8( And no I was not exaggerating I probably just wasn't clear on what I was saying. You are not calling everyone a townie but you are calling everyone a townie you're talking about. Obviously you're not calling everyone ins this game a townie because you're not talking about everyone and I am totally fine with that method of scumhunting. I am doing the very same thing (apparently with a completly different result) just that I don't tell people about everyone and why I think so because I want mafia to shoot those people I'm not sure about and not those I think to be town very strongly, which would render my work useless. Also I don't want to tell people why I think people are town because for the offchance that I am wrong I am giving mafia the key to manipulate me because they know what to do to make me think someone is town. Remember LI? Wherebugs said I am pretty sure to be town because I am making mistakes and I am being honest about those, telling people I don't have a case and I was transparent while VE was not. That was the best moment ever for me (although wbg had to do it at that point in time if he thought I am town because it was quite scarce between VE and myself). I figured that's the reason he thought so strongly about me as town but at that point in time I no longer cared about making sense at all, I only needed to look like that and I'm fine. Therefore I am not running around like a mad man telling everyone who is town and who is not. Your 2 "scumreads" are something we can work with if you elaborate why you think so, so that we can actually understand what's going on in blue-Land. --- Toad | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
First, MrZentor is scum for contributing minimally(Not saying that I've contributed more then him though), I'm not very sure of this however cause this is his normal trolling :/ Secondly, prp seems scummy, well, because I think that his pushing against MrZentor seems like him trying to distance himself with him. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 24 2012 19:52 Radfield wrote: Also, you know as well as anyone that I die early and often, so why are you trying(weakly) to get me lynched off some weak reason? You also know as well as anyone that if I'm given some time to play, I generate fairly accurate reads by around the end of Day 2. So why are you slinging mud my way when there is no cause to do so? Sit back, see if my reads match yours, see if I'm still alive when I shouldn't be, and THEN tell me why I'm scummy. Right now your vote on me does nothing but reduce the likelihood of other town players listening to me. It was not a serious shot at getting me lynched, only a hit at my credibility. That is irrelevant. Just because you die early and have a reputation for being a good player does not excuse you from scrutiny. Your reads only matter if you are Town. Are you confirmed Town right now? No. This is what, the 3rd time you've been hiding behind that reasoning as an excuse to let you live? It has nothing to do with your alignment or your posts in this game. Your name could have been JesusField and the case would still be the same: 1.) You sheep a vote onto a VE. 2.) VE doesn't post, but you don't post either even though there was some action going on in the thread 3.) When asked to explain you give out the reason that you did it because you wanted to see how he responded to pressure based on what happened in other games You can't say you've got a case after you got called out for sheeping, don't present it but come with an excuse and not expect scrutiny because of your reputation. Now you know above all else THAT is silly. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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