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On April 27 2012 00:49 Zealos wrote:
I suppose you're allowed to ask for a coach at any point?
There are 5 coaches listed in the newbie section of the first page. Just shoot a PM to any one of them. So far none of them have bitten me. >.>
Coaches so far have been giving general good advice on what to look for, rather than getting player specific. The idea is to get us all to think correctly about what we're doing, rather than give us what they're actually seeing. I have a feeling we wouldn't have lynched yomi if they could come right out and say what they think. But that's why we're all in a newbie game.
It's only my 2nd game, I'm still working on my reading abilities. But it's nigh impossible to tell the town lurkers from the scum lurkers when nobody's bothering to post. 
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On April 27 2012 01:16 imallinson wrote:
A case for Draco being scum:
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##Vote: Dracolich70
On April 27 2012 01:16 GMarshal wrote:
Replacement found, Stossel replaces Dracolich70.
Did anyone else laugh incredibly hard at this series of events? I couldn't help it. I laughed only to not cry. XD
Any opinions on people other than Dracolich (Stossel now)? What are your thoughts on Zealos? oneplus? Any other scum reads you have that we should be made aware of?
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On April 27 2012 01:35 Zealos wrote:
Arctic, do you have any response to my thoughts?
I'm in agreement on Maju insofar as his posting hasn't been solid enough. I don't read it as scummy simply because he's been open with his reads, but it's enough to take notice and expect more -- you'll notice I made this argument earlier today. I'm reserving judgement until I see his response and some solid reads rather than the listy posts he's done so far.
I'm also more or less in agreement on Dr3am. I'm thoroughly looking forward to him putting forth analysis for today about what's gone on so far, especially in light of nreekay's flip.
imallinson is the easy lurker pick. I have no arguments here, even after the post on Dracolich, in which he gave his opinion on one player and nothing else after being gone for 2 days (and it's the same posting technique he used in NMM8, though he's far less active in this game, probably because the average activity level is low enough he thinks he can get away with it).
draco, on the other hand, has shit up the thread plenty, then suddenly disappeared (now we know why the lurky part happened.) I don't have much to say on this until his replacement starts contributing. Right now there's a lot of people out for blood on Draco, so we'll have to see if Stossel can do anything to alleviate that, or if this bandwagon will still gain steam. My main problem with the suspicion on Maju and Draco both is that they pretty much went at each other's throats, which is an odd move for scum to do when neither of them are really up for vote -- it's very likely either double town, or 1 town/1 scum, and highly unlikely that both are scum.
We have 3 replacement players with a grand total of 1 post between them. I'm hopeful they'll be active and contributive.
As for you, It'll take more than one post to get you off my scum radar, but it's a start. Keep up the activity. I'd like your opinion on oneplus's activity so far as well.
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On April 27 2012 04:53 Zealos wrote:
You guys: With 16 or so people in the game, suspecting the same people as others, and have similar reasoning cannot be seen as scummy surely. If you want something original then here goes:
You're scum before you use @'s in your posts.
I am doing it right?
What is this post? What possible town motivation do you have to make this post?
It makes an acceptable point, but it's a terribly aggressive response to the perfectly valid criticism from Dr3am that you made us wait 2 days for a fairly light post.
This is not the productive style of posting that town needs. This is the type of aggressive post that gets you knee-jerk lynched. Stop it.
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EBWOP -- I very nearly put my vote on Zealos from this post alone, but too many times I've seen a lynch go through based on an emotional reaction post, and it ended up being a town who said something in haste. Zealos is still high on my scum list, but I don't want to push it through without a little thought, especially when imallinson is a more valid target right now.
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On April 27 2012 05:30 Zealos wrote:
It was trying to make the point with an example. I didn't intent it to come out that aggressive, my apologies.
I think we'll all calm down a bit once the replacements and last straggling lurkers come back and post, so we have something more to work with. Right now we're going in circles with stagnant information, and some fresh perspective might shine some light on things.
As of right now, I can't think of any clear reason not to lynch imallinson tonight.
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EBWOP -- Tonight being 30 hours from now, but point stands. We have people who haven't posted in 30 hours, or at all, so I'd at least like to hear their perspective on the goings-on before putting my vote on.
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Stossel -- welcome to the game! Love the first post. Easy question for you, to get you into the flow -- your predecessor seemed to have many, many, MANY things to say about Maju. What are your thoughts on him?
Now, I think we've given people ample time to show up and be useful. I'm more than ready to lock in my vote.
##Vote: imallinson
He's almost made it his job to be useless to town. Had absolutely no opinion on anybody in town in his big summary post ("seems town, seems scum, null read, might be scum" etc etc -- you can check his filter and read it, it's not hard to find in his 4 posts), except for yomi, who he bandwagoned onto very easily. He had an FoS on Zealos after that, then decided to make his 3rd post on....Dracolich? He has volunteered no other opinions seperate from when I asked him directly about Zealos and oneplus, and his post there was STILL the "leaning town" and "fairly scummy" non-commital posting style he's done.
In short, he's posted little, and what he's posted says nothing. He's scum and needs to hang.
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Heading to bed. I really hope to hear from our other new members by the time I wake up. Goss has been lurking for 2 days, and we've yet to hear from Ydriel. Stossel, enjoy reading the thread and if anything else jumps out at you, feel free to chime in. There's 3 scum we need to find, after all.
I encourage everyone to start getting your votes in. We're over halfway through the day, and there's been some talking, but no voting. My vote's set and unlikely to change unless someone can really come up with a good reason why we shouldn't target imallinson.
If you have a different read you'd rather see lynched than imallinson, post your cases and lay your votes tonight. With 10 of us alive, we need 6 to agree to a lynch, and 3 of the remaining players are scum -- we have to be near consensus on a scum target to push the lynch through.
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On April 27 2012 15:43 oneplus wrote:
Surprisingly many of you has started to vote for immallinson but still think that zealos chances of being scum is quite high and have him inside you scumlist. I got no idea why why Zealos is always in the FoS list and scumlist and no one going to vote for him. I can see that immallinson is not contributing much and lurk pretty much. But same for Mutant suppose to be Ydriel now who has not post a single thing after the replacement. Insectoceanx has also coming out recently and been lurking pretty much but he don't sound so scummy for me yet.
@Arctic, You are my no.1 favourite townread. Mind to explain why Immallinson is a better lynch than zealos?
##Vote: Zealos
Along with most other people, I'm fairly convinced that both are scum. imallinson has basically given up on posting anything, so keeping him alive serves no purpose. It's not just that he lurks, it's that when he finally does post, the posts have 0 content.
Zealos, on the other hand, is still posting -- mind you, he still insists that the only thing that marked him as scummy was his aggression at the beginning, and feels no need to explain why over the past 3 days he's come up with a single list of reads that really didn't bring any new information to the table. He also continues to be aggressive without actually posting anything but continual over-defensive posts saying he's sick of being pointed out as scummy.
As mentioned, I could possibly be talked into Zealos today and imallinson tomorrow instead, but nobody's really brought up a good reason why we should do so. To me, and judging by most of the posting I've read, imallinson is the slam dunk today, and then we can hang Zealos tomorrow.
So let me turn that around on you -- you don't even have imallinson in your list of lynch candidates for today. Why is that? Do you believe imallinson is actually town? Or do you have a null read on him? Or is there some other reason we shouldn't hang him today?
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On April 28 2012 04:18 ForTheDr3am wrote:
Between Zealos and imallinson, one thought I had is that Zealos clearly isn't disinterested in the game - however, his main interest is insisting that suspicions against him are unfounded. The bandwagon against imallinson is going too fast currently. I did say that he was one of my prime suspects too, as his posts really looked as if he pretended to contribute, but now we are comparing that to people who don't even do that (and to a very defensive Zealos). I really want to hear from those.
Our replacements have yet to vote. They're 4 hours away from a modkill. If they're all town, it's an autoloss if that happens, unless the imallinson lynch goes through. Which also won't happen if they're all town.
We need 2 more votes to push the imallinson lynch through. imallinson won't vote for himself (and likely won't show up anyway), so that leaves Dr3am, oneplus, and (hopefully) the replacements. We're almost certainly hitting scum with this lynch. I don't see the downside to an imallinson lynch, unless your read is neutral/town on him. If he's scum to you, it should be an easy lynch -- I'm unsure of why it matters that we lynch Zealos first.
For what it's worth, Zealos is at the very least active. It's enough to put a *hint* of doubt to his scumminess in my mind. A further reason I'm more comfortable with an imallinson lynch. Also the fact that with 4 hours left and the activity level of the thread, a change to a Zealos lynch at this point would be impossible.
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On April 28 2012 07:13 Zealos wrote:
I really genuinely want to know what the current suspicions against me are. I may sound like a broken record, but I'd quite like to clear my name for future posts. I gather it's just from a lack of content so far?
You do sound like a broken record. I could not be more clear about this. You have no content, and your tone goes back and forth between abrasive/abusive and friendly townie, plus you didn't post anything for 2 straight days, saying "oh the content's coming, oh I'm just waiting for deadline....no wait, I'm actually asleep at deadline," then when the grand post came around, it said nothing new, and you've made no action to question people since then, only asking our opinions of your opinions, and bristling every time someone mentions you're scum.
How exactly are we supposed to react to that kind of player?
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EBWOP -- Let's approach this another way. You're up for am imallinson lynch. Who's your #2? You've made 2 half-cases on Maju and have an FoS on Draco, but I don't know who you'd rather see hang. Is it one of them or is it someone else? And why?
Also what, to you, constitutes scummy behavior, if it's not lurking hard, posting no content, and waffling back and forth between being helpful or "being a dick" as you say.
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EBWOP #2 -- Using lurking as a scumtell at this point is more or less useless with so many lurkers, but with the information we have so far, I still have very strong scumreads based on other factors -- basically the uselessness of the posting that *has* been done. Without using lurkiness as a crutch alone, figure out who's your best scum.
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On April 28 2012 07:47 Zealos wrote:
Even if he isn't scum, it'll send a neat little message to anyone else that thinks they can slip under the radar.
Not sure how it sends that message when half the thread is doing it.
We lynch to hit scum, not send messages.
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On April 28 2012 07:36 Zealos wrote:
It seems all you've done recently is question and complain about me, along with half the thread (The other half attacking Immalision)
How can accuse me of only attacking you when I've called out EVERY lurker and asked questions of every single person who's posted in the past 3 days? O.o The only reason you feel like you're being tunneled is because you keep saying that ONE post cleared your name. It didn't. It made you seem a *little* less scummy. Then you attacked dream with some sarcastic bullshit when he made a valid point against you. That makes you more scummy. Then you kept defending yourself, badly, without asking any new questions, cluttering up the thread with worthless shit. That makes you MORE scummy.
It's frustrating how much you just flat out don't get it, and I almost wish I'd voted you instead of imallinson when I had the chance. I have to wait for tomorrow for your lynch now and keep hearing you repeat the same thing over and over and over.
My 3rd scum read behind you and imallinson is either oneplus or insectoceanx. Both have given me a lot of reason to be suspicious of them, and I outlined why in my post at the end of Night 1. If I had to pull the trigger on one of them at this exact moment, it would be insectoceanx. He's able to slip by posting trash that nobody's really looking at because the only conversation that's getting had is how scummy you still are.
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On April 28 2012 08:13 Zealos wrote:
Alright well, I think I'll go back to lurking. People seem safer there, as opposed to the classic - More Activity = More Scummy mindset that occupies newbie games. The only reason that I keep defending myself, is that you keep attacking me. I have to say though, the people who don't respond when you call them out are much more likely to be town and we should all use them as a shining example. In fact, why would a townie ever even post in this game? It's so scummy afterall.
(Yeah, I'm back to being aggressive)
And it's these pointless gems that make you scum. If you're town, you're not playing to win at all.
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On April 28 2012 08:19 Zealos wrote:
You really don't get it at all do you? It's irritating running round in circles with you while everyone else sits back with popcorn in hand. So yeah, those posts don't help town at all, but I'm annoyed, so I'm not in the mindset to care right about now.
Then go somewhere, wash your face, relax, and come back when you're useful.
If you're actually town, giving us more ways to think you're scum is ridiculous.
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On April 28 2012 08:14 Zealos wrote:
Ofc, me being aggressive is a mafia trait, not a character one, so you should totally vote for me and not worry about anything else.
Do you *really* want me to go meta on you? Because I read your Mafia LI, where you acted exactly like this, and your GoT, where you were actually useful.
I can go into detail, if you really want this.
I'd prefer to end the distraction already myself.
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EBWOP -- Where you were scum in LI and blue in GoT
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