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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
April 22 2012 23:04 GMT
#721
On April 23 2012 08:03 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 08:01 BlazingJitsu wrote:
On April 23 2012 07:51 marvellosity wrote:
On April 23 2012 07:47 Risen wrote:
Layabout. Please respond. Why are you still on VE? Anyone else still on VE, why are you still on VE?


terrible objection to gonzaw, terrible claim, terrible scumslip case on gonzaw, terribly timed claim in conjunction with gonzaw plan, and ragequitting. Since when is ragequitting a valid defence or pro-town play?


It is not pro-town play, but it is typical VE play as town. He did something similar in SOAF IIRC.




-Blazinghand

I think he was co-hosting that game

Gonna go sleep.

If you are afraid of killing VE then kill BM, neither of them care about the game anyway.

Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
BlazingJitsu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States112 Posts
April 22 2012 23:05 GMT
#722
On April 23 2012 08:03 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 08:01 BlazingJitsu wrote:
On April 23 2012 07:51 marvellosity wrote:
On April 23 2012 07:47 Risen wrote:
Layabout. Please respond. Why are you still on VE? Anyone else still on VE, why are you still on VE?


terrible objection to gonzaw, terrible claim, terrible scumslip case on gonzaw, terribly timed claim in conjunction with gonzaw plan, and ragequitting. Since when is ragequitting a valid defence or pro-town play?


It is not pro-town play, but it is typical VE play as town. He did something similar in SOAF IIRC.




-Blazinghand

I think he was co-hosting that game

Gonna go sleep.

If you are afraid of killing VE then kill BM, neither of them care about the game anyway.


I seem to recall him actually leading a shitty mislynch, then giving up when I pressured him N1. Since, you know, I was *in* that game.

But hey maybe you're right.




-Blazinghand
Hydra of Blazinghand & Jitsu for TLMafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 22 2012 23:06 GMT
#723
On April 23 2012 07:59 BlazingJitsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 07:45 MidnightGladius wrote:
BJ, you're flooding the thread with duplicate posts and making it really hard for me to follow the dialogue. Yes, TL may have put a flood control on your account, but instead of posting short individual replies on multiple accounts, could you consolidate your posts and address everything at once?

Also, with regards to your conviction: what would it take to convince you that you were wrong about marv? When I voted for him, it was because his posts were fluffy, and I told myself that if he started posting more substantially, then he would be less likely to be scum. From your perspective, his later posts reflected him playing to the standard you set for him. Instead of acquitting him, you used his behavior to further incriminate him. So I ask you this, and you don't have to answer in thread if you're afraid of WIFOM or whatever, but what would convince you that marv is town? If you're absolutely certain, and nothing could shift your beliefs, then remember that this is a game of incomplete information, and that you can't possibly be sure.

Personally, I think lynching marv would make a terrible mislynch at this point.


This is a fair point. I'll do my best to consolidate replies and posts and increase the legibility of this thread. I can get a bit out of hand at times.

Regarding what could convince I was wrong about Marv: at this point, very little. If you take a look at Marv's development as a player, in the past few hours he's been posting like a regular guy, an acceptable contributor-- everything seems normal. if he had been posting like this all game, I wouldn't be on his ass like this. But at the beginning, at the time of my first case, he was super scummy-- posting several times and saying nothing. my initial case was to pressure him. He responded by trying to appear active, but still being worthless. i kept on pushing, and bit by bit he stepped up his game. Only with enormous pressure was I able to make him contribute. If he had become useful after my initial pressure, that would have been fine-- but his continued attempts to lurk were scummy.

At this point, I am convinced Marv is scum and I will likely not be unconvinced unless something amazing happens. I will consider lynching someone else who is scum in an attempt to avoid mislynch, but voting Marv and getting him lynched is priority #1 for me.


Alrighty, I'm done being angry with you. I would love for you to consider scenario 2 though, which I did try to explain at some point:

I sadly have a social life, and my original one-liners were due to not having the required time to make a thorough analysis of what's at hand. Last night I was playing mafia and not socialising as much as I could have because actually I'd rather not get lynched for something so silly. Now the game has got rolling, I'm back home, I have more to comment on and say, and as you say, this is more 'normal'.

Long story short - I didn't have much time and posted a couple of one-liners (obviously i should have just posted nothing). Now I have more time I am posting more sensibly and it is more thought out.

It was not 'your pressure' that made me contribute, it's the fact that I spent time I previously did not to try to contribute.

Please consider this instead of just a dismissive wave of the hand where everything I do simply confirms the previous thing. Because that's just not good logical thinking.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
April 22 2012 23:07 GMT
#724
Right now as far as I can tell here is the votes:

marv: 2
VE: 8
BM: 3
Risen: 5

Everyone not on one of these, give your head a fucking shake and get onto one of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 22 2012 23:07 GMT
#725
EBWOP: *spent time I previously did not have
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
April 22 2012 23:11 GMT
#726
Why are we lynching a JK cause hes bad again?

[image blocked]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 22 2012 23:14 GMT
#727
Wow, VE has 8 votes? I didn't realize. I don't think he's scum. In LI he posted like 2 days straight with barely any sleep. He's basically given up this game. Polar opposites.
Also I guess zephirdd isn't getting lynched today, so

##unvote
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
April 22 2012 23:14 GMT
#728
Why dont we take all the marv and risen votes, and push them onto VE
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
April 22 2012 23:14 GMT
#729
EBWOP i meant BM
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
April 22 2012 23:15 GMT
#730
too many initials
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 22 2012 23:15 GMT
#731
Gonna ask again, why is giving up a valid town defence?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
April 22 2012 23:15 GMT
#732
The fact that people that haven't contributed ANYTHING to this game. BM and Zephridd are just stopping by and like SUP? Ima last minute vote VE he is scummmmmmm. Then Zephridd was like wait, I fucked up that last minute part we actually had an hour LOL gg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
BlazingJitsu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States112 Posts
April 22 2012 23:16 GMT
#733
On April 23 2012 08:06 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 07:59 BlazingJitsu wrote:
On April 23 2012 07:45 MidnightGladius wrote:
BJ, you're flooding the thread with duplicate posts and making it really hard for me to follow the dialogue. Yes, TL may have put a flood control on your account, but instead of posting short individual replies on multiple accounts, could you consolidate your posts and address everything at once?

Also, with regards to your conviction: what would it take to convince you that you were wrong about marv? When I voted for him, it was because his posts were fluffy, and I told myself that if he started posting more substantially, then he would be less likely to be scum. From your perspective, his later posts reflected him playing to the standard you set for him. Instead of acquitting him, you used his behavior to further incriminate him. So I ask you this, and you don't have to answer in thread if you're afraid of WIFOM or whatever, but what would convince you that marv is town? If you're absolutely certain, and nothing could shift your beliefs, then remember that this is a game of incomplete information, and that you can't possibly be sure.

Personally, I think lynching marv would make a terrible mislynch at this point.


This is a fair point. I'll do my best to consolidate replies and posts and increase the legibility of this thread. I can get a bit out of hand at times.

Regarding what could convince I was wrong about Marv: at this point, very little. If you take a look at Marv's development as a player, in the past few hours he's been posting like a regular guy, an acceptable contributor-- everything seems normal. if he had been posting like this all game, I wouldn't be on his ass like this. But at the beginning, at the time of my first case, he was super scummy-- posting several times and saying nothing. my initial case was to pressure him. He responded by trying to appear active, but still being worthless. i kept on pushing, and bit by bit he stepped up his game. Only with enormous pressure was I able to make him contribute. If he had become useful after my initial pressure, that would have been fine-- but his continued attempts to lurk were scummy.

At this point, I am convinced Marv is scum and I will likely not be unconvinced unless something amazing happens. I will consider lynching someone else who is scum in an attempt to avoid mislynch, but voting Marv and getting him lynched is priority #1 for me.


Alrighty, I'm done being angry with you. I would love for you to consider scenario 2 though, which I did try to explain at some point:

I sadly have a social life, and my original one-liners were due to not having the required time to make a thorough analysis of what's at hand. Last night I was playing mafia and not socialising as much as I could have because actually I'd rather not get lynched for something so silly. Now the game has got rolling, I'm back home, I have more to comment on and say, and as you say, this is more 'normal'.

Long story short - I didn't have much time and posted a couple of one-liners (obviously i should have just posted nothing). Now I have more time I am posting more sensibly and it is more thought out.

It was not 'your pressure' that made me contribute, it's the fact that I spent time I previously did not to try to contribute.

Please consider this instead of just a dismissive wave of the hand where everything I do simply confirms the previous thing. Because that's just not good logical thinking.


I understand the excuses you've made for your scummy behavior. It is possible they are the truth. But look at it from my perspective: you're arguing that coincidentally, you happened to gradually step up your game as I pressured you, and coincidentally, it just happened to look like you were trying as hard as possible to not contribute but look like you were contributing. A scum player like yourself easily makes up a story about a social life.

Is there anything to your statements that makes me think you're not lying? In fact, as scum, this is exactly the lie you'd tell, isn't it?

Your lies are meaningless. They aren't something only a townie could do. They do not convince me, scum.

##Still Voting: Marv




-Blazinghand
Hydra of Blazinghand & Jitsu for TLMafia
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
April 22 2012 23:18 GMT
#734
On April 23 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
Gonna ask again, why is giving up a valid town defence?


It's not but does disagreeing to directing blues, a day 1 blue claim, and ragequitting, give you enough confidence that he is scum, to go about lynching our possible JK, when there are other scummy suspects?

Also BJ, I don't think the marv is gunna happen at this point TBH. The fact that he took his vote off VE, his main competition for getting lynched makes me think he is indeed looking out for the towns interests. (unless you think VE and marv is scum which I doubt)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
BlazingJitsu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States112 Posts
April 22 2012 23:18 GMT
#735
On April 23 2012 08:15 Mementoss wrote:
The fact that people that haven't contributed ANYTHING to this game. BM and Zephridd are just stopping by and like SUP? Ima last minute vote VE he is scummmmmmm. Then Zephridd was like wait, I fucked up that last minute part we actually had an hour LOL gg.



Zeph scum with Marv and Paq




-Blazinghand
Hydra of Blazinghand & Jitsu for TLMafia
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 22 2012 23:18 GMT
#736
No one feels like addressing my previous post? Yes mt, let's shove all the votes onto the only guy who's been defending our jk this whole time.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
April 22 2012 23:18 GMT
#737
On April 23 2012 08:18 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
Gonna ask again, why is giving up a valid town defence?


It's not but does disagreeing to directing blues, a day 1 blue claim, and ragequitting, give you enough confidence that he is scum, to go about lynching our possible JK, when there are other scummy suspects?

Also BJ, I don't think the marv is gunna happen at this point TBH. The fact that he took his vote off VE, his main competition for getting lynched makes me think he is indeed looking out for the towns interests. (unless you think VE and marv is scum which I doubt)

SO LETS VOTE BM
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 22 2012 23:20 GMT
#738
People risen wishes were dead: BM, mt, marv, Paq
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 22 2012 23:20 GMT
#739
Okies, just gonna policy ignore BJ from now on
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
April 22 2012 23:20 GMT
#740
I would also vote BM. I am beginning to think Marv is town, and since I agree with the defensive stance on VE risen took, it kinda makes me think hes town. If he was scum, he woulda just let VE die, and vote VE like a sheep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
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