EPTTL Mafia 'Area' LIII - Page 28
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I disagreed with gonzaw's plan because it demanded cooperation of ALL of the town power roles. It ties up THE ENTIRE TOWN FORCE in directing vigs (which are one-shot by the way) toward their one target each in the hopes of killing one scum each (if town is lucky). A mass-claim would be viable if the vigs weren't 1-shot, but they are. So no, I don't agree with using MY role according to town's wishes because at this point, there's no way to know if town sentiment is being swayed by scum. Since I know my own alignment, I'm going to trust my own judgement on how to use my power. Now, you disagree with the manner in which I claimed. Cool story bro. I don't care. If you want to lynch me for claiming a town PR then go for it - you're not the only person on TL who feels like D1 claims are BS. BC comes to mind - he insta-lynches D1 claims. I don't care about that either. I care about town winning - and if you lynch me and I flip JK, you're going to take my suspicions more seriously because you know my alignment. And town will win. And vicariously, I will win. So do what you wanna do ottox. As of right now, I'm beyond caring. I've told you who's scum. Either vote with me today or vote in my name tomorrow after I flip - either way, I get to win. | ||
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
I don't just disagree with your claim, I wrote it down why is it a bad play. You still did not respond He has 5 votes right now against marv's 6. Is he a good player? He argued we shouldn't give any info to the scum then claim he's a JK. If he did not claim and we lynch marv or anyone, then scum wouldnt kill him because he had votes. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On April 22 2012 22:43 Ottoxlol wrote: Forget the plan, we already discussed it too much. I don't just disagree with your claim, I wrote it down why is it a bad play. You still did not respond You presume to know what scum are going to do? Really? And you're using this as evidence of my guilt? Laughable. While it's true that scum are less likely to kill me with votes on me, you've never played a game with me and you don't know how often I die N1. I die N1 in almost every game I play in. Now, here's a little secret: by claiming and having votes on me, I actually expect to live the night now so that scum can attempt to push me tomorrow. This is fine and expected - but it's a bridge I'll cross when I get to it. It's true that my reasoning for disliking gonzaw's plan was in part "it gives scum information"...but you'll notice that I'm not a vig. I don't advocate vigs claiming because THEY can kill scum. I can't. I can only jail people either protecting them or keeping them from acting. It's possible that I can stop a NK but I have no idea who would get shot other than myself because I die N1 like all the time. So my role is useless to me, as a player in this game. So I claimed, knowing it would not only explain my stance on the vig-claim plan, but could feasibly put more pressure on scum in the form of votes falling off of me. Clearly this last part wasn't the case. I have faith that town will see the light after I flip. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
If you want to vote for VE because he is not playing Jailkeeper the way you would, you are a jubjub. If you can think of a good reason that a scum VE would logically claim there, or at all on day 1, please present that. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
Well there's no reason why a scum ve would claim but theres quite a few reasons a town ve shouldnt claim. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Hes a vig looking to ensure his death N1 to get rid of a confusing GF mechanic Hes really bad at playing blue roles He somehow thought it would benefit him or the town but it really doesnt Trying to stop from getting lynched Reasoning for VE claiming as scum: Trying to get a counterclaim out of another JK making it less likely that VEs claim is true Trying to get more credibility and get someone killed on his "scum" list Trying to stop from getting lynched Trying to confuse the town The claim really doesn't make much sense either way. It reminds me a lot of his fake claim in LI where he was in fact scum. He claimed when the lynch could have went either way, and afterwards he claims to be the smartest player in history and lays out the whole scum team that he found. Gotta re-read to get a consensus on this play. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Anyway, I'd like to hear EVERYONE'S thoughts on the BH/Jitsu hydra please. As hyperactive as they were pre-game, they should have been in here freaking out by now. I actually feel like I want to lynch BH/Jitsu more than BM at this point. What do you guys think? | ||
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
Why did you claim? If you dont claim there is very little chance youll get killed n1. Thats because in previous games you got killed why would override that you had 2nd highest vote count? On April 21 2012 11:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Scum start off with an information advantage. Any plan that involves giving information to scum (like, who all the vigs in the game are) is a net loss for town 100% of the time. I'll address your points individually, for ease of comprehension. On April 22 2012 22:56 VisceraEyes wrote: It's true that my reasoning for disliking gonzaw's plan was in part "it gives scum information"...but you'll notice that I'm not a vig. I don't advocate vigs claiming because THEY can kill scum. I can't. I can only jail people either protecting them or keeping them from acting. It's possible that I can stop a NK but I have no idea who would get shot other than myself because I die N1 like all the time. Jailkeeper is not a useless power. Right now it is, but claiming gave scum information and you lost your safe spot. Your main argument is the n1 kill, by not claiming you would have had a much greater chance, Why on earth would the scum kill someone with the 2-3rd votes? On April 22 2012 23:05 Mattchew wrote: If you want to vote for VE because he is not playing Jailkeeper the way you would, you are a jubjub. If you can think of a good reason that a scum VE would logically claim there, or at all on day 1, please present that. Scum VE failed at logic at the plan discussion phase, then proceeded to avoid answering to my questions 5 times in a row. Since he still did not explained why it is good for us that he claimed, I don't see how can this be anything but anti-town. Scum would claim this if they want to avoid a d1 lynch and a nice wagon appears that not too suspicious to jump on. Like the BM train. I wonder how many scums are on that. If i were a vig i would definitely shoot there. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Lets go through this for you: -Lets Lynch Gonzaw (in this fashion FOR THE TOWN LYNCH GONZAW IM SURE HES SCUM) -Lets Lynch Bill Murray ( in the same fashion) Then this: On April 22 2012 13:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Do we lynch BM or Mattchew? This is the first time you've even mentioned Mattchew in your filter since your first joke vote. You give no reasoning behind the Mattchew suspicion at all. Then this: On April 22 2012 22:06 VisceraEyes wrote: The scum are Bill Murray, gonzaw, MidnightGladius, layabout as far as I can see. I want to kill BM first. Where'd Mattchew go? Now this: On April 22 2012 23:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not actually - I don't think I'm any better that anyone else - only slightly more experienced. I'm trying to use reason as a defense, but it's not really working. Anyway, I'd like to hear EVERYONE'S thoughts on the BH/Jitsu hydra please. As hyperactive as they were pre-game, they should have been in here freaking out by now. I actually feel like I want to lynch BH/Jitsu more than BM at this point. What do you guys think? Now you want to lynch BJ, even though they weren't on your scum team just a few posts earlier and you never even mentioned them other than, they should be all over my claim. They should be posting is your only reasoning against them. Not being in the thread at a particular time is not a case sorry to say. This is also very relevant to your scum meta in LI, odd claims, massive suspicion switches, can't keep your stories straight or keep your head on straight for that matter. You keep mentioning things such as after I flip you'll be sorry and such. As well as saying things like "THIS IS TOWNS BEST OPTION THEY WILL FLIP SCUM FOR SURE!" Your play is ridiculous to say the least. Your the most scummy in my mind right now. Unvote: marvellosity Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 22 2012 22:38 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm frustrated because rather than read my posts, you'd rather just vote for me because someone else told you "I'm better than this." I disagreed with gonzaw's plan because it demanded cooperation of ALL of the town power roles. It ties up THE ENTIRE TOWN FORCE in directing vigs (which are one-shot by the way) toward their one target each in the hopes of killing one scum each (if town is lucky). A mass-claim would be viable if the vigs weren't 1-shot, but they are. So no, I don't agree with using MY role according to town's wishes because at this point, there's no way to know if town sentiment is being swayed by scum. Since I know my own alignment, I'm going to trust my own judgement on how to use my power. Now, you disagree with the manner in which I claimed. Cool story bro. I don't care. If you want to lynch me for claiming a town PR then go for it - you're not the only person on TL who feels like D1 claims are BS. BC comes to mind - he insta-lynches D1 claims. I don't care about that either. I care about town winning - and if you lynch me and I flip JK, you're going to take my suspicions more seriously because you know my alignment. And town will win. And vicariously, I will win. So do what you wanna do ottox. As of right now, I'm beyond caring. I've told you who's scum. Either vote with me today or vote in my name tomorrow after I flip - either way, I get to win. Why did you claim in response to a plan that received more negative feedback than good, that was no longer being discussed and had next to no chance of being implemented? The only cooperation that would have be needed would be for the jailkeeper to not act on two specific players, that really is not a lot to ask, especially when interfering would cause confusion. What's more you don't even seem to understand the goal of the plan which was to prevent fake vig claims. You later pretend that you claimed because "I die N1 in almost every game I play in." While it's true that scum are less likely to kill me with votes on me, you've never played a game with me and you don't know how often I die N1. I die N1 in almost every game I play in. Now, here's a little secret: by claiming and having votes on me, I actually expect to live the night now so that scum can attempt to push me tomorrow. This is fine and expected - but it's a bridge I'll cross when I get to it. Now i have played quite a few games with you and this claim seemed off so i checked, and it is! + Show Spoiler + you replaced into space station during the night and were shot but you had a vet item and survived-town you died night 3 in bastard - SK you were in lynched day2 in TL mafia LI which ended the game - mafia you died on day1 in Death Factory 2 mafia after you took a big risk and ended up being killed by a hidden mechanic because of that - town you were killed night 1 in the sum of all fears mafia - town you were killed night 1 in jubjub mafia- town you lived to the end in C9++ mafia- town you lived to the end in storm mafia- SK So you have died night one in 2/7 games you have been shot by mafia in 3/7 either way you are lying. If you disagree feel free to go back further. Also, the notion of claiming you role for no reason to become a viable lynch target, so that mafia will not hit you at night is dumb on so many levels. Claiming a town power role in response to a case against you when you have 3 votes (BM marv slOosh) is most definately a move. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
##Unvote: Bill Murray ##Vote: VisceraEyes For anyone concerned about me "playing to my win-condition", D1 discussion is ruined and I can accept my part in that. Lynch me, flip me, and do what you will with the information. You'll win with it. And therefor, I'll win. I'm playing to my win-condition. gg | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 22 2012 23:48 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Bill Murray ##Vote: VisceraEyes For anyone concerned about me "playing to my win-condition", D1 discussion is ruined and I can accept my part in that. Lynch me, flip me, and do what you will with the information. You'll win with it. And therefor, I'll win. I'm playing to my win-condition. gg They are criticising me..... better throw a tantrum! + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/p5k7N.png) | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
But you know, continue to be a jerk about it laya...that's about par for the course where you're concerned. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On April 23 2012 00:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Not a tantrum - just not interested in defending myself further. If anyone wants to listen to reason I can feasibly get down on a scum lynch, but I'm not going to waste any more time defending myself when it's useless. But you know, continue to be a jerk about it laya...that's about par for the course where you're concerned. Claiming when you did just makes no sense though. It was quite clear gonzaw's plan was not going to be implemented, so the claim was completely unnecessary. You said "scumhunting wins games". Yes, but having blue roles that could prevent Mafia KP is also pretty useful, and discounting that is not sensible. You've also managed to throw suspicion on a lot of people without making a compelling case either way. | ||
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