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On April 17 2012 19:21 Pure-SC2 wrote: The lynching of innocent townie oneplus It's a sad night, knowing an innocent townie was lynced and that it could have been prevented. I've spent some time reviewing how oneplus ended up getting lynched and have the following analysis. The initial pressure vote on oneplus - voted in order to get more post activity: - Pure-SC2 (Pressure vote - removed later when I made my case against Nova and voted for him) - BlueyD (Pressure vote - removed but stated he was still suspicious, moved vote to TheRavensName as he was lurking) ======= Following these votes, oneplus identifies a link between Lazermonkey and Nova which provokes a strong reaction from them both and a very interesting back and forth conversation occurs here. I'd recommend everyone re-read this knowing now that oneplus is a townie. It was after this exchange that I posted my case against Nova, and had independently identified a link between Lazer and Nova. Once the dust settled on Lazermonkeys quick vote flip onto Nova (following my case and association between Nova and Lazer), he initiates the vote that leads to oneplus's lynching. ======= The votes on oneplus that lead to his lynching: - Lazermonkey (April 17 2012 04:04): This is the initial vote on oneplus following the pressure vote. Summary of his reasoning is: - Oneplus gets super mad accusing both him and Nova with no reasoning (Ed: he quotes oneplus saying that Nova's defending doesn't make sense at all, something I agree with. KEYNOTE: In Lazer's post he responds to this quote as if oneplus said it to him, when he actually said it to Nova. Why is he responding to something said to Nova? This post needs further analysis). - That oneplus will think of him and Nova as scum regardless of what they say - Quotes FourFace/Lorant's bizarre purposefully silly post (which was from his smurf account) as evidence that other people think oneplus is strange. (Ed. Lorant, did you think oneplus was strange?) - Concludes that he is not sure whether oneplus is bad or scum, makes an association between oneplus and Lorant and states that lynching oneplus would give info about Lorant (though calls him durant which is confusing). - TheRavensName (April 17 2012 05:17): Little over an hour after Lazermonkeys vote described above, TheRavensName votes oneplus. His reasoning: - "Sorry One... You seem to be the more likely of a scum then the others with votes in my eyes... and at least Nova has contributed enough to warrant being spared the first lynch in my opinion." - Therapist (April 17 2012 05:25): Less than 10 minutes later, Therapist adds his vote to Oneplus. His reasoning: - He does not wish Nova to be lynched because he is bringing out information and is good for town. - Oneplus has contributed nothing but a bandwagon on Nova Terra (Ed: Did you even read his posts? He suspected Nova before I posted my case and identified a link between Nova and Lazer) - Nova_Terra (April 17 2012 05:28): Three minutes later, Nova adds his vote to oneplus. His reasoning: - "okay, i will relent on solohan for now to consolidate a decent vote." - Crossfire99 (April 17 2012 05:45): 17 minutes later, Crossfire adds his vote to oneplus (it's not bold, but obviously he's voting for oneplus. His reasoning: - He doesn't think oneplus is scum, but he also doesn't think Nova is scum. Since Nova has been actively contributing, he is going to vote oneplus to save Nova. (Ed: Interesting choice of words if you read his post. He is voting for someone he doesn't believe is scum to save Nova). - BlueyD (April 17 2012 05:49): 4 minutes later, BlueyD provides a vote count, and adds his vote to oneplus. His reasoning: - It's between Nova and oneplus (useless keeping his vote on anyone else), and he's got more suspicions on oneplus than Nova. - Daymor (April 17 2012 05:58): 9 minutes later, Daymor adds his vote to oneplus. His reasoning: - He has his suspicions on Nova, but thinks he's contributed enough to spare him from a day 1 lynch. - He consolidates the vote on oneplus to prevent any last minute switching. (Ed. He doesn't say he has any suspicions on oneplus). - Crossfire99 (April 17 2012 06:00): 2 minutes later Crossfire unvotes oneplus, and then votes him again in the same post. - What on earth is this? His vote is already on oneplus and I can't for the life of me work out what this means, other than it looks very odd to me. I'd be interested in what anyone else thinks on this. Note: The time of this post was right at the expected deadline at the time it was made - the mods clarified that it was actually another 2 hours until the deadline. - TheRavensName (April 17 2012 07:47): 13 minutes before the deadline, TheRavensName removes his vote from oneplus, and votes Nova. His reasoning: - At this point he believes Lazer and Nova are working together, and changes his vote unless something else can convince him in the next 15 minutes. The day ends, and innocent townie oneplus is lynched with 6 votes. Of the 6 people that voted for him: - Four have stated no scum related reason for voting oneplus (Daymor, Crossfire, Nova, Therapist) - One is not sure whether he is scum or bad town (Lazermonkey) - One is more suspicious of him than of Nova (BlueyD) Of the 6 people that voted for him, 4 of them did not have any scum related reasons for voting oneplus. That is a very disappointing realisation. He certainly wasn't a lurker when you consider his input over the 59 (?) hour day. Of the 6 people that voted for him, I have strong town leanings towards 2 of them, mild town leanings towards 1 of them, mild scum leanings on 1 of them and strong scum readings on 2 of them. That's my analysis of what happened that led to oneplus's lynch. He was an easy target because of his poor English. Please go and re-read his posts, look at his interactions with others and do your own analysis, then post it for everyone to see. I gotta say.. personally I didn't think his English was that bad in my opinion. I never had that much trouble understanding what he said anyways. Maybe my grasp is weak enough for that though. It did feel a lot like it was just a very crutch excuse when I voted for him at the time, like it was: well I can't post that much cause I'm not very good at English... but I know several people commented it wasn't that bad and had no issue understanding him. Its part of the reason I had those initial scum readings on him. | ||
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On April 17 2012 14:03 Nova_Terra wrote: Also, TheRavensName switched from oneplus because he thought that lazin and i are a team. What? i've been posting analysis on his scummy posts and we have been frequently referencing eachother which is a scummy thing to do. And hes my best scumread. your argument for switching doesnt hold much it seems. Thats scummy. Thats true. But then again you also still voted together despite the fact you were pretty much guaranteed to get lynched until I pretty much got Oneplus killed. Hell you woulda died anyways if he swapped his vote. If he really thinks your scum he would have hanged you last night. Or its just a ploy to make him look good. | ||
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I understand this does make me look fishy and suspicious; which is fine. I think me sort of getting one killed, sense I was the second person before the mass to vote for him, may have revealed a bit if nothing else. I do regret it but I think it may have gotten us a good day of information to process, which it seems no one has wasted time on doing. | ||
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Just in conclusion, watch the members of both groups... they are the ones who will start or continue band wagons. | ||
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Anyways Lorant, what Nova is trying to say if one Scum is on your council, the entire group is going to be pretty heavily dammed in the eyes of everyone else. Thats the risk that happens with every alliance... and its why forming them on day/night 1 is a terrible idea. | ||
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PS: Nova I thought you were instant voting here? | ||
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1. He starts off making a decision that lynching lurkers is okay, but then starts to embrace the no lynching immediately but unlike the others only makes that one post about it then avoids the topic, probably enough to bait his fishing out that it wasn't necessary (Crossfire even makes a post DIRECTLY against his argument for it, which Solohan acknowledges was posted, but makes no real comment on it.) 2. He starts off with a case against Nova, after he had already voiced suspicion on Solohan, and then literally doesn't post again until after the vote. At this point heat on him wasn't that high except from Nova, but I think that makes it a little more suspicious sense it seemed like he wanted to get in, get his vote on someone he thought would get killed, then hide out so he couldn't get cross examined. 3. His next post is not only after the vote, but the entire night cycle. And he posts against the lurkers, no mention of his case against Nova again. He was fairly convinced that Nova was Scum the day before and made no motion of addressing that. I think just accusing the lurkers as opposed to more active people is a touch too safe. 3B. Personally, even if I'm just reading it wrong, I find the fact he thinks that I swapped my vote to his side, a person he voted for and made no discussion on anyone else, makes me suspicious. I notice he seems to only voice suspicion about people who other people have been, such as myself and Nova. Its a touch too safe in my opinion. | ||
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On April 19 2012 05:24 Nova_Terra wrote: Hmm. welcome back lazer. Please try to prepare a case/ analysis on somebody other than solo, if you can. it would be most appreciated. Is it just me or do people seem to show up when the cases start getting mentioned? | ||
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On April 20 2012 08:59 Daymor wrote: If TheRavensName gets modkilled I figure town lose. I really hope not. I'd be quite sad then. | ||
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