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willz22912
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willz22912
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On April 18 2012 11:23 Dittert wrote: I'm going to do what the good doctor ordered: ##Vote: Xatalos You were consistent in voting me D2 over anyone else, why the sudden willingness to abandon that behavior, especially since Acro told everyone to consider me the lynch for D3? You've switched before when you've seen that my lynch was possible, why aren't you doing this now? I am baffled by your behavior and would like an explanation for this please. | ||
willz22912
United States255 Posts
First off, making good cases isn't necessarily indicative of good play (see Acrofales a flipped town making the case that lynched our own doctor HiroPro? Yeah that went well) We can all agree that Acro made a good case on Hiro, which is why we all supported it, but it ended up screwing town over a lot in hindsight. Do you really think it's easy to build cases against Mafia when you have low credibility and you are incurring claims of OMGUS every time you try to point something out? I had upwards of 6+ votes at one point, it's obviously mathematically impossible to say that only Mafia voted me, fellow town also did. I'm trying to read through the logic and see where the real Mafia are, but I am stuck with defending Dittert and myself, giving me no time to push my reads. Also I'm in this newbie game along with all of you, and my only full game was Newbie V where we lost as town (and I was wrong about the last Mafia). I was killed off N2 in Aperture and did not really participate much in that either, saying I'm such a good player is really a stretch, I've also never referred to myself as a good player, I only stated that I believed my opinion should have more weight than Dittert's because this is his first game and I at least have played before and understand the game better. Do I think I'm a better player than Dittert? Sure, but at this point that's not really saying much is it? (Sorry Dittert, nothing personal) Especially comparing our martyrdom situations, I at least continued to be active and post while I was the majority vote, Dittert saw himself as the majority vote and clammed up without providing any other useful information. Brood did the same thing with his scumslip and not even posting anything useful by the time he died. Both these actions were considered scummy enough to lynch for, but now you're lynching me for behaving the exact opposite way? Second, lets move on to Xatalos's continuing to claim that I was unhelpful to town when I attempted to suicide D1. I am quoting our "conversation" when I was on the chopping block D1. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2012 02:55 Xatalos wrote: Hmm.. I can see where you're coming from. It's reasonable you would get angry as a townie when someone keeps tunneling on you for 30+ hours with bad reasoning. A big part of why I agreed to vote for you was your refusal to share your opinions on (pretty much) anyone, and now you have done so, which decreases my will to lynch you. If I was Mafia and in such a situation as you are in now, I would just create chaos and not give away any new information to town, but you have made some very reasonable posts although your lynch seems likely. Keep posting, I'm already almost ready to consider another lynch target at this point. Even if you do get lynched regardless, if you flip town after that, everything you say now will carry great weight tomorrow. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2012 02:27 willz22912 wrote: @vonKlaust That is a fair point, I should have not have been a hypocrite, I was worried that if I jumped the gun on my case and my suspicions too early, the Mafia would have enough time to coordinate a defense of it. In my mind this made sense, but I can see where everyone else thinks that it's hypocritical, which it is, but it's really too late to argue. I am posting my reads now, but if it's not going to sway you, it's not going to sway you. I fully accept that I over-reached and was too aggressive and now I am getting lynched for it. I may disagree with the basis, but I understand why it has come. I will continue to poke holes in people's logic for why they are voting me in an attempt to save myself, but it's mostly so the rest of the town can see who's scum and hiding on my bandwagon. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2012 02:33 willz22912 wrote: Xatalos, you may agree with the case against me, but please correct this statement here: I still don't want to lynch Dittert, I still believe he is a newbie town and he will be very chagrined by the alignment I flip. I did not really start the OMGUS war, because I see that the original basis for Dittert's case against me was that he thought I was trying to start a mis-lynch on him because of his rng-proposal. Technically, he has started the OMGUS war all along. I only got angry about it, which has led to my downfall. You even state here that it's (somewhat weak) accusations. I did try to address them, but it was mostly about specific posts I made (out of many) that he found suspicious. He never made a solid case against me, I just wanted him to stop. If you are willing to lynch me because I became overly defensive when it came to a first time forum player continuing to attack me with what everyone agrees is poor logic, that's fine, but realize that I still don't think that Dittert is Mafia, and when I flip, please don't lynch him first, go after the others on my bandwagon. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2012 03:16 willz22912 wrote: Can you be more specific about what you want me to explain? Acrofales case is really long and I don't know what exactly you're looking for. I'd like to be as transparent as I can even if I still die, because I know this will help town. Please respond with what you wish to know and I will answer as best I can. I can already say that I have not played nearly as well as I thought, and I agree with my hypocrisy in calling for transparency yet holding onto my own opinions. Other than that part of his post, I was overly defensive against Dittert because he wouldn't leave me alone, that got me angry and asking him why he keeps insisting that I'm Mafia without reinforcing his case when I asked him what I have done to draw his suspicions. Wouldn't you be annoyed at someone if they were saying you were calling for their mis-lynch when I did nothing of the sort, and that was the basis of his original argument and the one he just used? That is a flat out lie, yet he seems to not realize it himself, then he goes on about how his RL is important and he has no time to play this game as much as others. Fine, RL obviously takes precedence, but that means in his limited time playing Mafia, he won't switch off accusing me constantly, he won't look at anyone else, but I can't call him out on it because he doesn't have enough time, that's part of why I was angry as well. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2012 03:54 willz22912 wrote: You need to look at the math I already posted. I am dead by voting, but that doesn't mean I'm not posting. My alignment flip will show the town that I really was green all along, and that the people pushing my case made a mistake. I'm not going to convince anyone I'm not Mafia until then, but I know I have been right all along. Don't say that I'm content with my fate and that is an admission to not being able to explain myself. I already stated why I'm already dead, I could just shut up entirely and not contribute but I'm not doing that am I? Acrofales, Dittert, BroodKingEXE are three votes that won't switch for various reasons, that means I won't be able to save myself even if I wanted to, so I'm not even going to try and waste time trying to change the vote, and I'm trying to be as productive as I can until I get lynched. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2012 04:03 willz22912 wrote: Would building a case against someone else convince you to not vote me? Then why should I bother building another case when I believe you're really Mafia? I've already stated my suspicions are on HiroPro (mostly for lurking), imallinson (for readily following Xatalos, although he has rebutted this, and I'm not so sure of this) and KharadBanar, who I feel is under-performing considering how he played in Newbie VI. His explanation for this is that he needs time to ramp up and his D1 isn't very good. Yomi: I feel he was overly defensive, a trait that newbie town usually display (he also posted this was his first game as well) He thinks Dittert is still Mafia, which I don't agree with, but that doesn't make him Mafia in my eyes. Still newbie town to me. Dittert: I feel he is going to be unhappy with himself when I flip green, but hopefully the town won't lynch him in response. He tunneled me and he played poorly as town, but that still means he's town in my mind. Xatalos: I feel the most town vibe from him for his willingness to at least start discussion with his case on ArcticFox, but he needs to step up his game since he has experience from GoT Acrofales: Also played in GoT Mafia, probably one of the more experienced newbs, have a good town vibe about him, his case against me is not without cause, and has good logic in it. I cannot blame him for reaching his conclusions because it was my own mistakes he pointed out. vonKlaust: Newbie town, pretty indecisive but without malicious intent, needs to be more assertive and stand by his opinions. Probably town in my eyes. Trumpetarn: Lurking the most out of anyone, probably newbie town with the way he entered the conversation and how he presented himself. Anything else I need to post? + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2012 04:07 willz22912 wrote: @ Xatalos You may be right about Yomi, but I feel it's most beneficial for town at this point to confirm my lynch and get the information from my flip to decide about others. If you are right, then when I flip green, your case on Yomi is stronger because of it. If you leave me alive and we lynch Yomi instead and he flips green as well (which I still think is possible), then you have no choice but to lynch me next and then we have 2 mis-lynches in a row. It's better to have me martyr myself for town than to try and save me at this point. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2012 04:31 willz22912 wrote: @ ArcticFox Read Xatalos' argument, it makes sense. If yomi was Mafia and he knew I was the likely lynch target, and he knows I'm really town, he can post that in his defense freely without giving too much away, it gains him credibility. The only reason he would post that without any other support is if he had inside knowledge I think Yomi is newbie because he's tunneling Dittert for the same reason Dittert is tunneling me. Do you think Dittert is Mafia for posting the original case against me and trying to lynch me? How is this any different from Yomi against Dittert? They're both newb towns tunneling everyone. I read through Acrofale's case on me and I see the logic in it because I'm reading an unbiased version of my accounts from a different perspective. I cannot argue against it, it makes sense, I suppose he could be Mafia making an easy case because of previous circumstance (Dittert/BroodKingEXE responses to me) but that's up to you to figure out since I won't be around now will I? What do you want me to do, save myself by changing my vote to Yomi? And what happens if he flips red, all is forgiven and everyone will overlook my behavior? What happens if he flips green, then how do I explain myself? I'm in a lose-lose situation personally, and the best thing I can do for town is let my lynch go through and flip green to prove I was town. These are all the posts I made when I was getting lynched and trying to still be helpful to town. This is also what convinced numerous people to switch off my case, including Xatalos, again a mathematical impossibility that all of you who switched are Mafia, some have to be town in there as well. If you think I'm good enough to lynch D3 now over Xatalos because of my WIFOM post about Acro during the night, what do you think of Xatalos' behavior in the meantime? You're going to say this is one of the good reasons why I should be lynched? Because I haven't provided town with good enough information, and I act constantly defensive because I have to constantly defend myself? I'm sorry but it's pretty true, it's hard to put up good cases under pressure, I can quote a post by Acrofales mentioning this. The two choices for D3 are either myself or Xatalos. Xatalos has provided town with good information where? Tunneling Yomi for so long, spamming the thread, arguing about blue roles and what they should be doing to Acro and Arctic, telling the DT to claim during N2 for no reason, buddying Acrofales so hard during the night phase of all times? We've both played terribly as town, the only debate as to who to lynch should obviously be who is more likelier to be scum since this is mylo and if we mislynch we lose. We're not going to have differing arguments as well to convince the rest of town, I think Xatalos is scummier, Xatalos thinks I am scummier, this doesn't really help town pick, but just clutters up the thread unless we're willing to speculate as to the other members of the Mafia team, which we are both unwilling to do because we both disagree on who they are and we have to guarantee a mafia lynch today no matter what in order to keep the game going as town. I've made my case against Xatalos supported by Hiro's previous case of his behavior and Xatalos's actions. Xatalos has made his case against me supported by Acrofales previous case against me and the reads he made during his last night alive as well as my actions. We are pretty evenly matched in scumminess in my honest opinion, I'm leaving the rest of the town to decide our fate, but I'm willing to answer any questions other than from Xatalos in order to keep the discussion going. | ||
willz22912
United States255 Posts
On April 18 2012 12:34 yomi wrote: So you were afraid to post because it would make you look guilty. But when you were up on the chopping block you were willing to sacrifice yourself to give us the "connection" info that your flip would give us. At one point you are willing to engage in fearless town play, and at another trying to avoid suspicion at all costs. How can you reconcile these two positions? This is a fair point. When I decided to suicide myself, I had posted pretty much everything I could to be helpful, and I was agreeing with Xatalos' logic upon you defending me with no substantiation, something which you still haven't done. My flip would have shown that Dittert could be possible scum for tunneling a townie all game, or that you were Mafia as well because of how you buddied me and kept saying you thought I was town without backing it up with why. However, that was the D1 lynch, town can afford two mis-lynches, three in a row causes the game to be over, which is why I ramped up my defense as the game went on. I know I am town, I cannot afford to let my lynch go through now because we would lose the game. In the past, you've criticized Xatalos for spamming the thread and posting suspicion on 9/12 players in the entire game, do you find this transparent behavior by him better and more town-like? I have been attempting to be more transparent where I can, but I don't have the time with my school schedule to sit around and keep reading through the entire thread trying to overthink single words and phrases like Xatalos has done to try and prove my scumminess, ie "the town has lynched their doctor" instead of "our doctor," is a scumslip in his eyes" You used to consider me highly town, and Xatalos highly scummy, do you still hold this opinion, and please explain if you've changed your mind what did it? You haven't really posted much about the Xatalos/Willz vote started except for this. | ||
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willz22912
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Others, I'm just having a hard time understanding what exactly you want from us. Do you want me to post my other scum reads besides Xatalos? I will and have done so in the past 24 hours, so what is the point? This is the last lynch we will get as town, if we mis-lynch we lose the game, we need to guarantee a lynch goes through on everyone we can agree is Mafia, either myself or Xatalos, there are no other candidates so asking for other reads seems pretty counter-intuitive unless you want to try a hand at connection play (which made Acro decide that Hiro was aligned with Dittert and imallinson and got him lynched.) I'm also curious by the fact that none of you ever brought up the point I made about Xatalos mentioning a DT claim during the night and how even Acrofales thought that was a really dumb idea and anti-town. Why would any town think up that plan, why is everyone ignoring this, especially imallinson when he decided to vote me instead of Xatalos? | ||
willz22912
United States255 Posts
The Mafia team is probably Dittert, Xatalos, imallinson They know this mis-lynch is the last one they need to perform, so they are going all out to cause confusion, notice how 4 people (Yomi, KharadBanar, vonKlaust, funcmode) haven't yet voted and we have 6 hours till deadline. Then all this confusion conveniently before the last major vote by town? Yeah I'm not buying it and neither should you. Dittert claiming DT, now of all moments when the vote should have been between Xatalos or myself? Causing confusion, now he's creating a new lynch candidate with his trumped up case against KharadBanar. His DT checks also make no sense combined with his tunneling of me, why not check me D1 and then make your case against me D2 to get rid of me if you find me suspicious and you're the DT? Why check Arctic of all people (and breadcrumb) and then KharadBanar, this logic makes no sense. The explanation in my mind is that Dittert is Mafia and knows they were going to kill Arctic all along N1, and breadcrumbed that to throw everyone off and give weight to this later DT claim. Also notice this post by him: On April 19 2012 14:15 Dittert wrote: 4 votes will lynch somebody, and they have 3 votes. All they need is for one townie to be up for debate and they can gang up for the win. Since we already have Willz and Xat going at each other, it seems likely that at least one of them is town. Assuming both of them have at least one townie vote near the deadline tomorrow, we lose. The mafia will switch to the town member and they will win. The only way this play makes even a little sense as mafia is if Willz and Xat are both scum as well and I'm trying to get them both off the chopping block. That doesn't make sense either, given the fact that: 1) I have been going after Willz aggressively the entire game. That's a pretty long con - all to set up this highly unlikely endgame scenario...? 2) Willz and Xat are going back and forth now, which would mean they're double bussing. 3) I was the first to vote for Xat on D3, meaning I'm bussing a teammate yet again. 4) If you don't believe me, isn't the person you're most likely to lynch me? In that case, we would still lose a mafia member. If you don't believe me and you don't lynch me, you're just not thinking clearly. I'm either right or mafia. [red]There is no guarantee that Mafia won't change votes at the last minute if 1 town falls for it and votes for KharadBanar, just like what Dittert is saying, to force the mis-lynch and win the game. Also tunneling me this long is good to look "newbie" and also create a link between myself and Dittert in everyone's mind, distracting people from looking at other possible scum (I've helped this a lot with my assertion that Dittert has been newb town all along, well either he's the most amazing newbie ever with the worst DT logic that knows how to breadcrumb, or the reality that I now see, he really is Mafia) Xatalos is scum because he has gone out of his way to vote me D3 (as he should, since we're the two likely candidates) but happens to conveniently switch to Dittert because imallinson convinced him to even though he made this post just before? However, I'd rather lynch Willz before Dittert. Dittert's last post is pretty much him claiming Mafia, but Willz is hugely more nefarious and might even convince town to lynch someone else in the endgame situation. Dittert, on the other hand, just keeps digging his own grave by fake claiming to protect Willz. Well we probably need to come to a consensus on who to lynch and the terrible DT claim makes me more sure Dittert is scum than Willz. I'd say Dittert is 95% scum Willz 90%. So in my eyes we should go for Dittert. Also if we are sure Willz is scum it's easy enough to ignore his posts. Alright, I can see your point. In order to win this game, we need to lynch one Mafia right now, and indeed Dittert is even slightly more suspicious than Willz at the moment. And Dittert flipping Mafia will make Willz 99% Mafia as well, so no need to worry about Willz talking his way out of this again. ##Unvote ##Vote: Dittert Note the second post, even if the vote goes through on Dittert and he flips red, Xatalos conveniently leaves this post to further incriminate me so that I will be lynched even if this plan doesn't work, really good thinking by a Mafia to do. Why would town set someone else up to be the next lynch just based on connection play? I believe this is a bus attempt by Xatalos and imallinson to both gain credit from Dittert's flip as well as to further set up my mis-lynch the following day. I do not believe these votes on Dittert will stick if they get lucky and one town votes for another town inadvertently. imallinson I'm not as confident as I am in this read because it's mostly based on connection play between him and Xatalos and his interactions with Dittert. I remember him subtly trying to support Xatalos early on against Arctic and then sheeped both the vote on Dittert, the vote on Xatalos, and the vote on Hiro D3 without any substantiation. His latest antics here make no sense from a town POV. Town doesn't know exactly who's Mafia or who's town, they can only use connection play after someone has already flipped to justify their case, going 1 by one. However imallinson posts this: On April 19 2012 17:23 imallinson wrote: #3: "THE MAFIA DON'T NEED TO FAKE DT CLAIM TO WIN." This is just wrong. If it looked like one scum member was going to get lynched then fake claiming DT is an excellent move. If we have no DT then it's an easy way to lynch one of the best town players. If we do then you have a decent chance to convince the town to lynch their own DT. Seeing as Xatalos was suspicious of your claim right away I don't think he is your scum buddy. It fits nicely if Willz is however. #4: This is what I think is the most damning evidence against your claim. Why if you knew Kharad was scum would you vote for Xatalos? This makes me think you decided to fake claim after you saw Willz in trouble. There isn't any other explanation for this. I think this makes you look insanely scummy and it makes Willz look like your scum buddy. However you are the more obvious lynch at the moment. ##Unvote ##Vote: Dittert So because Xatalos is around and active, and posts faster than I am that he's suspicious of Dittert's DT claim, imallinson dismisses the possibility that Dittert and Xatalos are connected? How does that work when you were talking during the night and post this: On April 18 2012 07:45 imallinson wrote: @vonKlaust Acrofales already asked me to provide my top 3 minus the connection to Xatalos. It was #1: Xatalos #2: Dittert #3: Willz Although at this point I'd probably swap Dittert and Willz. imallinson says Xatalos, Dittert, and myself are his top scum reads. However he decides to vote me instead of Xatalos D3 with no weight to his opinion, but when Dittert makes his fake DT case, he assumes it's to only save his teammate Willz, and ignores Xatalos completely? Why would you as town ignore any possibility? Here is my point: imallinson was suspicious of Xatalos, but because Xatalos didn't believe in Dittert's fakeclaim, he finds that not suspicious and thinks I'm more likely to be Mafia in association No town should be convinced that easily, if a town's had consistent suspicions of someone, he is not likely to have them go away so suddenly, this is why I believed Dittert to be town, because he was at least consistent in tunneling me, contrast that with Xatalos' behavior, he has called out numerous people and is all over the place with his suspicions until finally he settles on me, but now this latest move by Dittert convinces both Xatalos and imallinson to switch off their initial vote candidate willz22912 to kill Dittert instead? Why aren't they just ignoring the fake DT claim because they don't believe it and continuing to vote me? Didn't Xatalos say I was the most dangerous Mafia here: On April 18 2012 15:39 Xatalos wrote: This is the deciding moment: if Willz is lynched, Mafia loses one member and the rest of Mafia are much easier to trace (Funcmode&Dittert?). If I'm lynched, town loses instantly. Read the filters of Willz and Acrofales, and choose town victory by voting for Willz. And here: Willz's defense is good, but if he's the Mafia leader, it would make sense. Everyone also keeps saying the Mafia team is good, which means they have superior argumentation skills (the average Mafia is more skilled than the average town in this game). I don't think I can beat Willz straight-on with logic and argumentation, but I'll try breaking his defense later when I have more time. Although I have more confidence in you than myself making him slip his defense right now... For now, I ask everyone to think about this: Willz is clearly one of the most skilled players in this game, yet his almost only pro-town contribution so far is his weak and forced case against BroodKingEXE. Does that make any sense for a town player? And here: You bring up a lot of good points, imallinson. I don't really think you're Mafia anymore... Why would you bus both of your teammates this hard in that case? Right now my conclusion is this: A) Willz is certainly Mafia B) Dittert is certainly Mafia C) Funcmode is probably Mafia However, I'd rather lynch Willz before Dittert. Dittert's last post is pretty much him claiming Mafia, but Willz is hugely more nefarious and might even convince town to lynch someone else in the endgame situation. Dittert, on the other hand, just keeps digging his own grave by fake claiming to protect Willz. Also note the highlighted part in red for this quote, considering I believe the Mafia team to be imallinson, Xatalos, Dittert This is exactly what they are doing, bussing Dittert in order to look Xatalos and imallinson look better. Also notice the three times Xatalos has believed me to be more of a danger than anyone else, and should be lynched first, but now he's willing to lynch Dittert because he fake-claimed DT? Why shouldn't I still be the lynch target? If I flip red like imallinson and Xatalos thinks, that gives more weight to Dittert being Mafia as well, not the other way around, especially since I'm the more dangerous Mafia no? All this is doing is discrediting me further, but not actually lynching me, this makes no sense from a town perspective. If you think a player is Mafia, you try and lynch them, not save them for later. | ||
willz22912
United States255 Posts
On April 20 2012 02:03 Xatalos wrote: Come on: yomi, vonKlaust, KharadBanar. Now is the time to express your opinions (me vs Willz, Dittert's DT claim). There's only 6(?) hours left and half of the players have been just lurking all this time. I put it as a bonus credibility for imallinson to be as active and direct as he has been for today. On the other hand, my town reads are starting to drop a bit for those who have been just lurking and avoiding expressing their opinions. KharadBanar, you said you wanted to observe before explaining your opinions, but there isn't much time left anymore - you should tell what you think, especially about the apparent red check against you. Oh look, further separation between Xatalos and imallinson. First imallinson thinks Xatalos is not the Mafia teammate of Dittert because Xatalos was able to call out how bad Dittert's fakeclaim was, and that clearly removes all suspicion. Next we have Xatalos saying imallinson gets bonus points for being active today? So it's okay to not contribute as much every other day, but for today only, it's super special Xatalos +towncred to be active? What is this nonsense, really. I am not changing my vote to Dittert and jumping on this bandwagon. I think Xatalos is the correct choice (and should have been for every other town), town needs to lynch 1 Mafia guaranteed today, and I still think Xatalos is the best choice for a lynch today to do that. I am town, we lynch Mafia 1 by 1, we don't come up with crazy connection plays and then try and not lynch the most obvious Mafia target, that makes no sense. We lynch a Mafia, and then look at his filter for connections AFTER we know for sure his alignment. All this connection play before confirming alignment is not town play because town doesn't know for sure 100% what everyone elses alignment is, and connection play is only good for Mafia to use by mis-lynching through guilt by association. | ||
willz22912
United States255 Posts
Why not lynch me now? You think we're both Mafia anyway, what's the difference or problem? (Is it because you can't convince other town to follow through now, but you can when you bus your teammate, since I've already associated myself with Dittert so strongly?) | ||
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Dittert: 4 (yomi, imallinson, Xatalos, KharadBanar) KharadBanar: 1(dittert) Xatalos: 1 (willz22912) | ||
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I'm pretty unhappy right now with all of you(including town) being so ready to decide when we have time until deadline still, at least read my post and see if that makes sense. I have no class today so I'll be around to talk to. | ||
willz22912
United States255 Posts
There are 5 town alive, 3 mafia alive. Everyone is coming up with 25% because you're not going to count yourself as not-town(scumslip) so theres only 4 other town. Claiming chance of dt is 1/7 is wrong because there are 3 mafia still in the game and they cannot be DT obviously. | ||
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United States255 Posts
He claims that KB is scum, but we cannot verify his claim, therefore he gives us two choices, either voting Dittert(helping the bus and giving Xatalos/imallinson further towncred) or voting KharadBanar. If any town votes another town by accident, the 3 Mafia can make a coordinated last minute switch to force the mis-lynch. This is the best play Mafia could have done for D3, and I applaud them for making it, but I'm not falling for it. I'm ignoring Dittert's claim and so should you. | ||
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Lynching Dittert when he's potentially getting bussed by his teammates is not the best town play we can make right now, either you believe my reasoning and lynch Xatalos, or you should lynch me because you believe Dittert is making a last second play to save me. However, how is Dittert making this claim "saving me" when he's tunneled me all game and I have defended him as well, creating an obvious connection between us. He also does nothing to deter suspicion from me, according to Xatalos if Dittert flips Mafia I should be the next obvious lynch anyway, how does this make sense if we're both Mafia, this is the worst plan ever if he's trying to deter attention from me to him, if anything he is creating MORE suspicion upon me so I become easier to mis-lynch D4. | ||
willz22912
United States255 Posts
On April 20 2012 03:47 Dittert wrote: A final thought before I leave for work: The whole game, everyone's two biggest town reads have been Acro and KB. Acro is dead, but KB is not. What's even more confusing is that it would be very easy to lead a case against Acro on D3, given that he lead the mislynch charge against HiroPro on D2. If KB is the top town read, why hasn't he been shot? Why shoot AFox (who was mediocre at best) and Acro (who could have easily been mislynched)? Really pointless WIFOM. If you all called me scummy for giving WIFOM about why Acrofales wasn't shot N1 and that I thought he was going to be shot N2 or otherwise he would be Mafia, then what do you make of this post. It's also equally scummy, he's not even trying very hard to push his case on KB, something that a real DT would be frantically trying to do (because DT's can be confused with Mafia so easily) On April 20 2012 03:50 Dittert wrote: @Willz - I could not wait another day to make this claim, as if we lynched you tonight there is no other day. You could have continued your vote on Xatalos and let the town decide between Xatalos and myself, instead you created all this confusion. No, you're creating confusion on purpose and getting bussed by your teammates. | ||
willz22912
United States255 Posts
Dittert's DT claim is fake but he's giving towncred to both Xatalos and imallinson by being bussed. | ||
willz22912
United States255 Posts
On April 20 2012 03:51 willz22912 wrote: Please town, for the love of god ignore this bus, vote Xatalos, and if he flips Mafia, then the game goes on and we can easily verify my claims of the scum-team from the 100% confirmation we get from his flip. Especially KB, if you are town and Dittert is making his case up then you don't need to vote him this minute and can ignore him, choose between lynching myself or Dittert like the original D3 was going to be. Lynching Dittert when he's potentially getting bussed by his teammates is not the best town play we can make right now, either you believe my reasoning and lynch Xatalos, or you should lynch me because you believe Dittert is making a last second play to save me. However, how is Dittert making this claim "saving me" when he's tunneled me all game and I have defended him as well, creating an obvious connection between us. He also does nothing to deter suspicion from me, according to Xatalos if Dittert flips Mafia I should be the next obvious lynch anyway, how does this make sense if we're both Mafia, this is the worst plan ever if he's trying to deter attention from me to him, if anything he is creating MORE suspicion upon me so I become easier to mis-lynch D4. I wrote a sentence wrong in the first paragraph, the sentence should be "choose between lynching myself or Xatalos like the original D3 was going to be." | ||
willz22912
United States255 Posts
I am calling for all the real town to vote Xatalos instead now, including KB, to show that Dittert was being bussed by his teammates Xatalos and imallinson. The game is going to go on regardless if Dittert gets bussed by his teammates, the only information we will get is who gets shot N3, but gleaning information based on who Mafia shoot is completely WIFOM for town. What do we get by guaranteeing Dittert's lynch, he flips scum but he doesn't incriminate anyone else except for me. If we lynch Xatalos we gain so much more information because this incriminates Dittert (because he was being bussed by Xatalos/imallinson) and to a large degree imallinson for their coordination. | ||
willz22912
United States255 Posts
@funcmode, Dittert's last post is speculation, as is mine for what Mafia intend to do. However I at least have given weight to my statements to convince you to support me, what has Dittert done to convince anyone he is really the DT? Nothing. | ||
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