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michaelthe
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michaelthe
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I rolled 23. ##Vote: MrZentor | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
On April 13 2012 09:55 chaoser wrote: WTF is the point of this? No pressure, no direction, no stance taken by anyone. Hi Mafia. See, that's how to start a game. ##vote: michaelthe Baited your capt. vote. Lrn2read. No switchbacks. | ||
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michaelthe
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On April 13 2012 11:03 Node wrote: All right everybody, for this game I'm determined to suck less than I have recently. After re-reading Ver's XXX analysis I've come up with a few goals for my play this game, including making extensive use of PMs, paying attention to player history, being better at differentiating between scum and bad town play, and posting more in general. I'd like to encourage everyone else to adopt similar goals, especially the newer players among us. ^_^ Also, all you prospective captains: I'm going to need more than "hey vote for me". I don't intend to vote for anybody that doesn't have a halfway decent plan for a lynch. (and no, launching Ace out of the airlock for the hell of it doesn't count) I would random lynch. More likely to hit scum imo. | ||
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michaelthe
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Re: Capt. Keeping secrets. If the captain is Town, he should make a judgment call as to whether or not revealing something is beneficial to town- we should not make an arbitrary policy of openness and force him to follow it if he decides it benefits the town to keep something a secret. If the captain is scum, he will lie regardless. So I am against forcing the captain to reveal everything. Re: Day 1 lynch target. TL Mafia players have shown themselves to be pretty bad overall at hitting scum on day 1. Part of the reason is that scum activly encourage stupid cases, such as “tone seems scummy in intro post”. For that reason, I put zero faith in the town voting on day 1 lynch and asking the captain to follow the towns vote. Re: Sandroba is blue fishing. only a select few people for some reason. I have no reason to trust him. I hope no one else is giving him blue info. I also don't know why he was limited in scope. And as Im reading, /le sigh that he claims people have responded to him. How are you scrubs so fickle with your trust? If our choice is between GM and Sandroba, someone made a good point that GM might be a better pick as Sandroba already has a lot of consolidated info since you brilliant folks gave him roles on day 1. It would be too powerful if he does happen to be scum with this info AND is captain. guna read thread again tonight. | ||
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michaelthe
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My one PM so far: + Show Spoiler + From: talismania [ 1193 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Any reads so far? Date: 4/14/12 22:45 Hi was just wondering what reads or suspicions you might have so far Have you been chatting or pming with anyone? I guess people don't want my opinion. OK. 0. A lot of people have stated they have pro-town reads on Sandroba. I doubt scum would be dumb enough to mass support him like that. The question is, how intelligent do I think they town is in these reads of Sandroba as a townie. I KNOW the town sucks at finding scum, but that doesnt mean that doesnt correlated 1:1 to bad town reads. Meh, I dont want a wall of text, so Ill just say: TLDR, yall have played with him, I dont have much faith, but I hope the entire town isnt retarded with their read. All the eggs are in your basket Sandroba. ##Vote: Sandroba | ||
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michaelthe
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On April 15 2012 05:50 Coagulation wrote: If you dont feel like sandroba is best choice for capn dont fucking vote him just cause everyone else is. thats like the worst thing you can do for town. Vote gmarsh or me or anyone else but "the person everyone else is" Try and read a bit better. I stated my reason quiet clearly why I think he is the best candidate. Let me break it down as I would for a child, though with less effort, since teaching children actually takes effort: 1- The chances that the multiple people that have a town read on Sandroba are correct V. the chances that he is scum and all those people are wrong. 2- The benefit of having someone with consolidated information and being captain v. two people each with one of those things. Now if you'd excuse me, I just read Im either asian or don't get a f*** in the lol game im about to play for not paying attention after picking, I wonder if I effed up summoners. | ||
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michaelthe
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michaelthe
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1. I broke up everyones name into each character to see any paterns, for example, maybe the letters refer to the third letter in each name, or M to a first, A to a second, etc. J is a big limiter, and I cant see a way that anything works other than First letters. This would be the list: + Show Spoiler + M MAVERICK32X MICHAELTHE MRZENTOR MARVELLOSITY A ACE ACROFALES N NODE C CHAOSER COAGULATION J JACKAL58 2: Letters -> position in alphabet -> position + Show Spoiler + M =13=ECHELONTEE A=1=TALISMANIA N=14=MAVERICK32X C=3=SANDROBA J=10=CHAOSER Second, We can agree the kill on Froggy was pretty bad. I think we should have killed MrZentor since we atleast would have had more info for day 2 as more people commented on him. Or a lurker/inactive. | ||
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michaelthe
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On April 15 2012 14:17 talismania wrote: Here's my thread-safe communication so far - there's nothing juicy at all to be honest but I always make a habit of posting it. Notes part three (did not make these fresh): + Show Spoiler + day one notes part three / night one notes part one starting page 21 layabout comes in. He makes the post that gets him into trouble later with kurumi. I kind of agree with kurumi on this post note that layabout PM'd with sandro, and announces it. coagulation puts a little pressure on grush - disconnection or faked? I lean disconnect. michaelthe then makes the post that I later refer to as really disliking. He only comments on popular topics. It starts with an apology, ends with a "gonna read the thread" and has filler in the middle. Layabout responds to it I think with the idea that sandro would not be running for mayor as scum, since scum would view the mayor as a major lynch target. So therefore voting for sandro = voting for townie with information. Not entirely sure if that's where he was going. Vayesh puts some in character suspicion on me jackal posts, doesnt contribute much and doesnt appear to be trying to - just makes a joke about kurumi in response to strong's post strongandbig makes a post commenting on vayesh. disconnect? I dunno. He calls him suspicious in a very cautious way. also calls kurumi non-town. I feel like strongandbig might be town playing at a sicilian logic level one: if it's weird, it's suspicious. Or else he's scum playing at level one scum. throws out three names: vayesh, kurumi, zentor ace's big post is interesting. I really can't read ace because he's doing what I think he should be doing regardless of his alignment. wbg undoes his vote on himself and votes for ace. Note connection to the story that wbg posted earlier. vayesh follows suit after ace's post. ET puts his FoS on rayzorflash - blahblah I touched on this in my list. Either way, likely disconnect there. Interesting thought: if mafia is clever, they should realize that this setup allows them to freely accuse each other day one since only one guy gets to decide the lynch. Who knows if they thought of that though. wbg posts a big story, and ace follows with a youtube video. No clue what is going on with that. Sinensis meekly makes a post, again in the random camp. Sinani follows with one of those dumb summary posts. I actually can see this one as scummy. ET calls out 10f and sinani - I think disconnect. then page 22 is essentially the kurumi - layabout tiff. Likely disconnect there I imagine. Sandroba asks kurumi to stop his nonsense acrofales comes out against chaoser - possible disconnect. kurumi post some logs: acrofales logs contains some nugget about black and yellow shit. dunno what it means. the ace log has something redacted, but of course nothing to make of it. acrofales I have to lean town on based on page 23 posting. as i said in list later I thought he composed posts more in dfm2 I think maverick may genuinely be in the same boat as froggy. He has eagerness/earnestness. layabout ends up voting sandroba page 24: crazy theory - if GM and layabout are scumbuddies, then layabout might not want to pile on GM at this stage. It was clear then that GM was winning, so why not throw a vote on the other guy. Or layabout is just in the circle that sandroba is making or something. It is kind of interesting that marvellosity chose to answer the question that froggy posed to mrz. would be sloppy play out of scum but not out of the question. kind of interesting that sandroba disappeared from the thread after being so active early on. Snarf's post on bottom of page 24 has much clarity. Either town or a good scum. GM puts out three suspicions: node, |10f, and froggy. Of course he lynches froggy later. then the triple accusation on mrZ. Really dunno what to make of all that. I kind of lean coincidence. disconnects: chaoser - mrz, grush - mrz, strongandbig - mrz still think rayzorflash is town (page 26) acrofales on page 27 reveals he's been talking to wbg, and that "craptons of stuff is going on behind the scenes" michaelthe complains his only pm is from me. Probably true actually. he should pm other people if he wants to pm. ET and snarfs format their posts the same. means nothing. disagrees with the MrZ lynch. sinani makes a string of posts that are fairly townish but not out of the question for scum. and after the lynch ace comes down tough on GM. still have a gut feeling that one of the two is scum. thread-safe PMs: + Show Spoiler + From: strongandbig [ 600 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Vayesh Date: 4/15/12 01:27 Original Message From talismania: Im curious how you found out that vayesh played in character last time. I clicked on his profile and then clicked onto the list of his previous posts, lol. He posted a lot in TL mafia xxx (I think that's the right number), so I read the first few posts from him in that game. From: strongandbig [ 600 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Vayesh Date: 4/15/12 01:44 Fwiw he was third party that game. Whatever that means for this game. Original Message From talismania: Im curious how you found out that vayesh played in character last time. To: Snarfs [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: SS Mafia Date: 4/15/12 05:34 I would be great for transparency but my confidence to come somewhere near hitting a scum for the lynch is 0. I've been following the thread closely but just today started sending lots of Pms. I'm missing a lot of info I think about who NOT to lynch. Especially since so many people are supposed to have role claimed to sandroba. Original Message From Snarfs: You should run for Captain. I really like your transparency and you're definitely showing that you're paying a lot of attention to the game. I would vote for you over the other 3 candidates right now. From: EchelonTee [ 1805 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Couple questions Date: 4/15/12 04:39 skype [redacted] Original Message From talismania: How many scum do you think tried or are trying to run for captain? I'm curious about your fos on rayzorflash. Why do you think the scum team would pick him to run for captain? From: Ace [ 11134 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: kurumi Date: 4/15/12 11:49 First reaction: he's an idiot. I just read the post but I haven't gotten to anything after yet. I'll see when I'm done catching up. Original Message From talismania: oh lol. What do you make of how GM handled his captainship? Would you have done differently? Hide nested quote - Original Message From Ace: haha he called me black as in my race. No idea what the "black and yellow" stuff means, but I haven't caught up to reading yet. Same for the wbg thing as I have yet to read it. Original Message From talismania: By the way, do you have any idea why Vayesh called you "black"? I understand that's a label here for a third party. In one of kurumi's logs with acrofales that he posted, he also mentions "black and yellow shit" in reference to how sandroba was acquiring claims, so I'm wondering if it might be some sort of game specific thing as well or if it's just a coincidence. And do you know why wbg posted that huge story about layabout sniffing his crotch and then you and him fighting together? That seemed like a lot of effort to just make a joke, but way too obvious if it was breadcrumbing or something. Original Message From Ace: thats how he is, but he's been here long enough to know that he should be trying hard to make sense. He just likes to play that way though. Original Message From talismania: I'm new here and you're not - what do you make of kurumi? I find the strangeness in his behavior difficult to read, but I get the impression that might just be how he is. To: Sinensis [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Hi Date: 4/15/12 13:38 Ah I see - I assumed it was because maybe it's just common knowledge. I dunno I've never played here before. Original Message From Sinensis: How does he tell someone is black by their posting? He must be in communication with Ace, right? That is what I assumed at least. Hide nested quote - Original Message From talismania: I thought that was weird as well but apparently Ace actually IS black in real life... I thought vayesh was trying to tell us that Ace was third party or something weird. My overall opinion of vayesh is this: 1. he's clearly playing mainly for fun 2. If town, then he's acting very much on his own. He has not responded to my pm's and I haven't heard of anyone else talking to him. So he's taking a casual attitude. 3. If he's scum then he would make an amazing pawn. He is always in character and therefore impossible to read. A scum leader would have a great time using him to distract or whatever. All he's done action-wise is vote ace and then say he was mildly suspicious of me. Doesn't really say much. Right now I would pick town for him if I had to. Original Message From Sinensis: What is your opinion on Vayesh? I think he is a little strange with his weird flavor posts and strange fixation with Ace being black (and that being a "good thing?") Original Message From talismania: Yeah a few: ace ET prp mrz snarfs grush strongandbig maybe a couple others. most aren't much - I'll be posting most of my logs in the thread soon. I've pm'ed a few others that haven't responded (vayesh, erandorr). I was just asking you because a few people are not playing much in the thread and some have claimed to be playing in pm land. Thought maybe you were in that category. Original Message From Sinensis: Original Message From talismania: IvE only noticed a couple of posts from you in the thread. Have you been pming a lot with people? No. Have you? To: Erandorr [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: GM logs Date: 4/15/12 11:38 You mentioned in the thread that you chatted for "quite a bit" with GM before deciding to vote for him for captain. Risk.nuke then challenged that, claiming that GM told him that he had only talked to you "briefly". Would you mind clarifying this subject by posting as much as you can of the logs between you and GM? Also, I'm curious as to why you only talked to GM, and not sandroba, as he was another leading candidate for captain at the time. To: wherebugsgo [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Your story Date: 4/14/12 23:09 Does it mean something? What are your thoughts on layabout and ace, since you mentioned them? To: VayeshMoru [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: What is with the post about ace being black? Date: 4/14/12 23:01 What is that about? And what was your post about receiving the captains log about? Thread-safe chat with GMarshal around when I made my first post: + Show Spoiler + [4/13/2012 9:47:39 AM] John Morris: This is GMarshal [4/13/2012 9:47:51 AM] Jason Pipkin: Jason Pipkin has shared contact details with John Morris. [4/13/2012 9:49:41 AM] John Morris: poke [4/13/2012 9:49:59 AM] Jason Pipkin: good morning [4/13/2012 9:50:11 AM] John Morris: afternoon for me, but ok  [4/13/2012 9:50:20 AM] Jason Pipkin: ah sorry [4/13/2012 9:50:39 AM] John Morris: so, whats up? [4/13/2012 9:50:53 AM] Jason Pipkin: not much I suppose [4/13/2012 9:51:12 AM] Jason Pipkin: first time I've played in about five years [4/13/2012 9:51:20 AM] Jason Pipkin: and I know no one's meta at all [4/13/2012 9:51:47 AM] John Morris: Id give you the blurb about how meta is worthless [4/13/2012 9:51:58 AM] John Morris: but its not true, so I'll can it [4/13/2012 9:52:03 AM] Jason Pipkin: heh [4/13/2012 9:52:13 AM] Jason Pipkin: I called out many people on my old site because of meta [4/13/2012 9:52:23 AM] Jason Pipkin: it's especially useful in this kind of a game in my opinion [4/13/2012 9:52:38 AM] Jason Pipkin: scum suck at lying in chat conversations much more than in threads [4/13/2012 9:52:43 AM] John Morris: I Havent played in a while either, so my meta knowledge is rusty [4/13/2012 9:53:03 AM] John Morris: also, I might as well tell you that I fundamentally disagree with posting all private convos in the thread [4/13/2012 9:53:14 AM] Jason Pipkin: I qualified the all [4/13/2012 9:53:25 AM] John Morris: because of the mere fact that it breaks the possibility of a deception throught duality [4/13/2012 9:53:36 AM] Jason Pipkin: what do you mean by that [4/13/2012 9:54:08 AM] John Morris: For example in XXXVI I think it was Jackal tricked the last mafia deconduo, into night killing the wrong person by being very clear that he thought decon was town in the thread [4/13/2012 9:54:22 AM] John Morris: and then saying the opposite to everyone in PMs [4/13/2012 9:54:35 AM] John Morris: its a little more convoluted than that [4/13/2012 9:54:39 AM] Jason Pipkin: well [4/13/2012 9:54:47 AM] Jason Pipkin: if you're doing a plan that relies on private info [4/13/2012 9:54:56 AM] Jason Pipkin: then I'd hope people would use common sense and not post it [4/13/2012 9:55:09 AM] Jason Pipkin: but if it's just a general conversation like this - why not? [4/13/2012 9:55:19 AM] John Morris: but Pms have the unique potential to allow players to behave differently in the thread than privately, and sometimes you can't tell the person you are baiting that you are baiting them [4/13/2012 9:56:04 AM] John Morris: I dislike it, you are free to do as you please, but I don't really think it helps the town, rather townies should be free to reveal information they consider relevant when the time is right [4/13/2012 9:56:15 AM] Jason Pipkin: fair enough [4/13/2012 9:56:30 AM] John Morris: in another example, if I'm baiting a player to get a strong read, that can take a while, if its posted its likely someone will read it and point it out [4/13/2012 9:56:34 AM] John Morris: and wham plan sunk [4/13/2012 9:56:45 AM] Jason Pipkin: I see [4/13/2012 9:57:10 AM] Jason Pipkin: I guess in my head I had PMs in mind like "hey what do you think of X" etc [4/13/2012 9:57:32 AM] John Morris: PMs are much more than that ^_^ [4/13/2012 9:57:39 AM] John Morris: although using them in that way is fine too [4/13/2012 9:57:44 AM] Jason Pipkin: true [4/13/2012 9:58:02 AM] Jason Pipkin: in any event, I think chat conversatoins are far more telling [4/13/2012 9:58:19 AM] Jason Pipkin: the more people that talk to one another, the more the scum are forced to fake conversations [4/13/2012 9:58:23 AM] John Morris: true [4/13/2012 9:58:41 AM] John Morris: but I'm a thread analysit, I like my thread juicy and big [4/13/2012 9:58:45 AM] John Morris: any reads so far btw? [4/13/2012 9:59:00 AM] Jason Pipkin: well [4/13/2012 9:59:06 AM] Jason Pipkin: I said I thought sandroba was likely town [4/13/2012 9:59:20 AM] Jason Pipkin: scum reads? no clue so far [4/13/2012 9:59:37 AM] John Morris: thats a fairly obvious read to pick up though, every good player agress sandro is most likely town, based on his plan proposal [4/13/2012 9:59:47 AM] Jason Pipkin: other than that [4/13/2012 10:00:05 AM] Jason Pipkin: acro and sandroba and you and sandroba are not scum together, if one is scum [4/13/2012 10:00:20 AM] Jason Pipkin: based on acro's post about sandroba and I think you voted for him for captain rather early [4/13/2012 10:00:45 AM] Jason Pipkin: I base most analysis on weak connections like that but there haven't been too many [4/13/2012 10:01:13 AM] John Morris: fair enough [4/13/2012 10:01:17 AM] John Morris: connection play can work [4/13/2012 10:01:26 AM] John Morris: I'm not fond of it, but its a legit way to play [4/13/2012 10:01:32 AM] Jason Pipkin: I'm also getting used to the no avatar thing on tl [4/13/2012 10:01:44 AM] John Morris: haha, takes a while, I know [4/13/2012 10:01:45 AM] Jason Pipkin: it's hard to keep track of who is who because I forget to read people's names haha [4/13/2012 10:01:56 AM] Jason Pipkin: I followed death factory mafia 2 pretty closely [4/13/2012 10:02:12 AM] Jason Pipkin: and I didn't have everyone down until like day 2 or something [4/13/2012 10:03:14 AM] John Morris: you get used to it surprisingly fast [4/13/2012 10:03:20 AM] John Morris: + that way you have to remember names! [4/13/2012 10:03:28 AM] Jason Pipkin: true true [4/13/2012 10:03:37 AM] Jason Pipkin: have you chatted with anyone else this game? [4/13/2012 10:04:04 AM] John Morris: a bunch of people [4/13/2012 10:04:13 AM] John Morris: sandro, chaoser, risknuke [4/13/2012 10:04:24 AM] John Morris: I have a bunch of others I plan to chat with time permitting [4/13/2012 10:04:32 AM] Jason Pipkin: they all posted their skype info right? [4/13/2012 10:04:38 AM] Jason Pipkin: I haven't gone back through the thread [4/13/2012 10:04:46 AM] Jason Pipkin: although risknuke added me right after I posted [4/13/2012 10:07:50 AM] John Morris: stupid skype crash -__- [4/13/2012 10:08:09 AM] John Morris: and no, they haven't all posted their skype info, I just happened to have a lot of them already [4/13/2012 10:08:19 AM] Jason Pipkin: gotcha [4/13/2012 10:08:20 AM] John Morris: play enough and you end up with everyones contact info [4/13/2012 10:08:55 AM] Jason Pipkin: will you be posting your conversations, provided they don't contain town-damaging info? [4/13/2012 10:09:07 AM] John Morris: probably not [4/13/2012 10:09:14 AM] John Morris: I'm doing a lot of fancy footwork [4/13/2012 10:09:21 AM] Jason Pipkin: mmm ok [4/13/2012 10:09:22 AM] John Morris: and I'm not going to spoil that by posting it [4/13/2012 10:09:34 AM] Jason Pipkin: fwiw consider any convo with me fair game to be posted [4/13/2012 10:09:36 AM] John Morris: Have you read Ver's guide? [4/13/2012 10:09:47 AM] Jason Pipkin: parts I suppose [4/13/2012 10:09:49 AM] John Morris: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475 [4/13/2012 10:09:52 AM] Jason Pipkin: not all the way through [4/13/2012 10:09:55 AM] John Morris: keep the town on a need to know basis [4/13/2012 10:09:58 AM] John Morris: read it [4/13/2012 10:09:59 AM] John Morris: twice [4/13/2012 10:10:12 AM] John Morris: trust me, you'll become much better instantly [4/13/2012 10:10:15 AM] John Morris: its worth the slog [4/13/2012 10:10:24 AM] Jason Pipkin: I've played 20+ games you know  [4/13/2012 10:10:26 AM] Jason Pipkin: just not on tl [4/13/2012 10:10:28 AM] John Morris: so have I [4/13/2012 10:10:34 AM] John Morris: I re read the guide often anyway [4/13/2012 10:10:39 AM] Jason Pipkin: of course I played with the same people over and over [4/13/2012 10:10:40 AM] John Morris: because fundamentals help [4/13/2012 10:10:42 AM] Jason Pipkin: so it got easier [4/13/2012 10:10:48 AM] John Morris: especially when you don't have meta [4/13/2012 10:11:54 AM] Jason Pipkin: so what does fancy footwork mean? [4/13/2012 10:12:17 AM] Jason Pipkin: just reading through the thread I can't imagine people already having enough info to do fancy footwork [4/13/2012 10:12:25 AM] John Morris: I can't let you tip off your scumbuddies! Lets just say what I say to one person in PMs doesn't necessarily line up with what I may tell others [4/13/2012 10:12:38 AM] John Morris: its interesting to see how info falls through the cracks [4/13/2012 10:12:57 AM] John Morris: and who knows things they maybe shouldn't [4/13/2012 10:13:17 AM] Jason Pipkin: so you have reads already? [4/13/2012 10:13:35 AM] Jason Pipkin: in the thread you mentioned a troll and maybe the candidates list [4/13/2012 10:13:48 AM] John Morris: sure, I always have reads. Are the accuarate? Maybe, maybe not. [4/13/2012 10:13:57 AM] John Morris: That was a very deliberate post by me [4/13/2012 10:14:06 AM] John Morris: lets see how you think, why did I say what I said? [4/13/2012 10:14:33 AM] Jason Pipkin: well it sounded like you didn't want to say for the most part [4/13/2012 10:15:02 AM] Jason Pipkin: also it sounded like you were being truthful [4/13/2012 10:15:14 AM] Jason Pipkin: I think the captain's candidate list would be a fruitful place to closely look [4/13/2012 10:15:23 AM] Jason Pipkin: although far from guaranteed [4/13/2012 10:15:28 AM] John Morris: I'm seeing who goes after the soft lynch in the troll [4/13/2012 10:15:46 AM] John Morris: its a stupid lynch except for policy reasons/if nothing better can be found [4/13/2012 10:15:54 AM] John Morris: best left for vigilantes [4/13/2012 10:15:59 AM] John Morris: as lynching him says nothing about others [4/13/2012 10:16:05 AM] Jason Pipkin: yeah I've seen that idea posted a couple of times [4/13/2012 10:16:18 AM] John Morris: now, who is going to push that because I said I wanted him lynched? [4/13/2012 10:16:19 AM] Jason Pipkin: "vig the lurkers" etc [4/13/2012 10:16:36 AM] John Morris: who is going to vote for me for captian based on the fact that I'm not threatening any of them directly [4/13/2012 10:16:37 AM] John Morris: ? [4/13/2012 10:16:44 AM] Jason Pipkin: are you running for captain? [4/13/2012 10:16:49 AM] Jason Pipkin: I thought you voted for sandroba [4/13/2012 10:16:50 AM] John Morris: Always [4/13/2012 10:16:55 AM] John Morris: its my policy to always run for mayor [4/13/2012 10:17:00 AM] John Morris: sure I voted for sandroba [4/13/2012 10:17:03 AM] Jason Pipkin: but vote for someone else? [4/13/2012 10:17:08 AM] John Morris: its not gentelmanly to vote for yourself [4/13/2012 10:17:10 AM] Jason Pipkin: you can't vote for yourself? [4/13/2012 10:17:11 AM] Jason Pipkin: heh [4/13/2012 10:17:17 AM] John Morris: (and not allowed in most games anyway) [4/13/2012 10:17:24 AM] Jason Pipkin: allowed in real life [4/13/2012 10:17:38 AM] John Morris: irrelevant, I am a gentelman! [4/13/2012 10:17:51 AM] Jason Pipkin: well maybe someone takes that bait maybe not [4/13/2012 10:18:03 AM] John Morris: ah, but now I told you [4/13/2012 10:18:04 AM] Jason Pipkin: I'll hold off on posting this until the end of the day anyway [4/13/2012 10:18:09 AM] John Morris: so the bait is less relevant [4/13/2012 10:18:26 AM] John Morris: now I'm interested in who told me they were temped by it in pms [4/13/2012 10:18:28 AM] John Morris: and now aren't [4/13/2012 10:18:35 AM] Jason Pipkin: so you play as though scum are acting individually? [4/13/2012 10:18:48 AM] Jason Pipkin: whenever I've played scum it's always been very team [4/13/2012 10:18:54 AM] Jason Pipkin: with some exceptions when people do stupid shit [4/13/2012 10:18:54 AM] John Morris: thats what I;m saying [4/13/2012 10:19:02 AM] John Morris: now I've leaked the fact that its bait [4/13/2012 10:19:03 AM] John Morris: to you [4/13/2012 10:19:09 AM] John Morris: so if you are scum, they now now [4/13/2012 10:19:11 AM] John Morris: *know [4/13/2012 10:19:21 AM] Jason Pipkin: I guess [4/13/2012 10:19:22 AM] John Morris: so I'll see if anyone;s attitude takes a swift turn [4/13/2012 10:19:24 AM] John Morris: or maybe not [4/13/2012 10:19:47 AM] Jason Pipkin: if you're telling me that then you seem to be talking yourself in circles haha [4/13/2012 10:19:50 AM] John Morris: anyway, most things I do have a motive, even if its not clearly visible [4/13/2012 10:22:56 AM] John Morris: and scum can be very disembodied in how they act [4/13/2012 10:23:03 AM] John Morris: its not necessarily all team play [4/13/2012 10:23:28 AM] Jason Pipkin: yeah I've seen a scum bus another one with a fake convo where he made it seem like the one guy accidentally slipped to him [4/13/2012 10:23:47 AM] Jason Pipkin: but the guy getting bused had no clue, and then got mad and posted everything in the thread [4/13/2012 10:27:20 AM] John Morris: lol I see my analysis has grown! You want me to comment on some stupid minor issue that no one cares about? Your list! I think it would be pretty dumb for a scum to make a list, as it provides a lot of analysis if the list-maker were to die. But honestly, no one cares about your 2 sentence reads on 30 people. I've stated already that I think day 1 and day 1 cases are friggen retarded, so if you want to comment on stupid squabbles on day 1, sorry. | ||
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On April 15 2012 14:44 Maverick32x wrote: Michaelthe- you are my number 1 scum read at the moment. You are very dismissive of any comments towards you. You want me to comment on some stupid minor issue that no one cares about? I've stated already that I think day 1 and day 1 cases are friggen retarded, so if you want to comment on stupid squabbles on day 1, sorry. Try and read a bit better. I stated my reason quiet clearly why I think he is the best candidate. Let me break it down as I would for a child, though with less effort, since teaching children actually takes effort: Now if you'd excuse me, I just read Im either asian or don't get a f*** in the lol game im about to play for not paying attention after picking, I wonder if I effed up summoners. I'm reading this as "I'm highly confrontational, don't say anything negative to me or I will strike back.. and quickly retreat" You don't actually MAKE a case, besides calling the other person stupid for disagreeing... You got caught with your flip-floppery and I think right now you are trying to squirm your way out as fast as possible. I would like to take you very seriously Mav. In fact, I am going to do things like make numbered lists! 1- Tailsmania didnt make comments towards me. He had me on a list of 30 people, and it was essentally a null read: “Not entirely sure if that's where he was going.” So you argument of me being dismissive is that I dismissed a null read. How are you dismissive of null reads? Im trying to take you serious, but I really dont know what to say. 2- Flip-flop. In my second point of my numbered list, I want to tackle the flip-flop issue. However, I really don't know what stance you say I took and flipped from. So thus ends the list. Sorry, my attempt to take you seriously didnt go well since your statement was pretty much nonsense. Re: Taliasmania The pro of people posting lists of EVERY read is that it allows us to analysis the list of scum we hit. For example, scum probably won't have a scum read on any of their scum buddies on public lists (WIFOM pending). The Con of complete read lists is that scum can use them every night to decide who to hit. For example, if the ENTIRE town has a VERY pro-town read on a person the scum knows is town- that person is likely to be hit. If your list ever includes possible blue roles, free hit. Also, they can use the list to say “OK, if this townie ends up dead, what would people think based on their list.” Overall, I think the Con's far outwiegh the pros as Scum can use the lists everynight and the town can only most-effectivily use lists if a scum is lynched and has a public list that was prepared poorly (they will surely have some scum reads on their scum buddies if we force them to have a list.) Actually, I should stress that point. The scum, knowing they would have a public list of “reads” when they die, would be sure to make it not obvious. Therefore, lists are a great tool for scum and a mediocre tool for the town. A better way to find scum is to attempt to find one, and when the flip scum, go back and reread. It is unlikely that scum will bus their allies before the case even picks up steam, for example. But they are likely to bus when the lynch is secured. On April 15 2012 15:27 Sinensis wrote: wherebugsgo I just want to you know I refuse to read anything written in 3rd person. Michaelthe is scum! | ||
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On April 15 2012 23:58 Acrofales wrote: Deciphering the MANCJ is all very well, but what is the lovers part? That is one kinky love pentangle. I would also like to confirm that I was not invited to any mason QT: I am not the A in there. In related news: GM, does the captain's seat mean you have an escape pod, have launched yourself off the ship and won't talk ever again to anybody? 1. Froggynoddy. Why? 2. What does captaincy do? 3. Why did you disappear? 1. + Show Spoiler + On April 15 2012 02:54 GMarshal wrote: froggynoddy This guy has the strongest case against him tight now, he has a couple tell tale signs that point him out as newbie scum Two things in this post 1.) Apologizing for something that needs no apology. This is a sign of a guilty conscience much like what gave up Misder in Ver's XXX analysis. I did this all the time as the mole in PYP:Interesting, and Radfeild caught me out on it, so I'm always attentively looking for this kind of unnecessary apology. 2.) His issue with me trusting sandroba. This is typical of scum trying to subvert trust. "Why would you trust him OMG!" is the typical scum response to fast, uncontrollable circles of trust forming, and is basically how they express frustration while trying to discredit them in the thread. Again, we see him actively discrediting town reads, which are actually vitally important in PM games as well as an excellent tool for weeding out scum. Look at his posts, most are focused on discrediting sandroba, without once calling him scum, its basically "I don't see how people trust him" not "he could be scum guys". Subtley his wording gives away that he knows sandroba is town, and is both angry and clueless as to how others without privileged information have discovered the same thing. 2. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2012 00:07 GMarshal wrote: Transparency is overrated, you keep the town on a need to know basis, especially in a PM game. Come on people, has no one here read Ver's guide after the debacle of Death Factory Mafia 2? I'll be transparent in my decisions, but I'll be damned if I'm going to share everything I know or learn for the sake of "transparency" Tell me MrZentor, say being captian made you into an Anti Scum Paranoid Gun owner, would you share it with the town for the sake of "transparency", thus sacrificing the power of the role? 3. + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2012 11:45 GMarshal wrote: considering playing, but I'm not sure if I have time for a PM game, I'll get back to you, looks like a blast Dr.H | ||
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Better questions would ask about his thoughts on Froggy flipping town. If he thinks hitting Froggy gives him any reads or other info. What he thinks "full responsibility" for a day 1 town lynch means for him. And in light of his recent post, what his "game changing revelation" is. He obviously was going to post with some thoughts as the kill was on him, but asking "Why froggy" when he posted his case is pretty useless. | ||
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I hope the above posts are a misunderstanding. Pretty ridiculous. Rules, so hard. | ||
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On April 16 2012 11:42 MrZentor wrote: I see no relationship between the puzzle and that answer. Meh, I worked on it for a while. The inital part refers to an opera. Was written by Antonín Dvořák. | ||
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On April 16 2012 09:31 sandroba wrote: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT GM IS STATION TECHNICIAN I'm one of the back-up Station Technicians. That role is unique so GM is confirmed town to me. More people share my same role so GM should be confirmed town to them too. Unless you feel like there is a bunch of mafia linking to each other early you should trust me/gm 100%. It's the same as masons. YOU SHOULD ALL CLAIM TO ME / GM. We have 11 claims right now. If any vigis plan to shoot tonight you should give me a heads up so you don't hit important roles that I already know about. I don't know why we haven’t been probing this claim A LOT harder. I asked Sandroba about it in PM, but I'm apparently not important enough to respond to in PM land. I want to know how exactly this claim worked. Was it an automatic claim to each other given in your roles? Did one person have to initiate? Are there more people, as you seemed to indicate? Why would you not know exactly who they are? Did the claim necessarily include alignment? This is important as it would make sense in a body snatchers game, role!=alignment. Either way, I want to know every detail of what happened. We either have a via pro-town force, which ought to be leading the scum hunt harder, or one or more scum taking advantage. I'd really like to know which it is. ##Vote: Sandroba | ||
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Private Message From: sandroba [ 2411 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: ss mafia Date: 4/18/12 03:27 GM's actions with his role make him non scum, and the setup would be extremely silly if he the technician was scum and he has not been counter claimed. You are asking for the town to provide complete faith in your alleged circle. I would appreciate more than one sentence to my 5 questions. Is no one else concerned about this? It's possible that I am one of the few townies outside of the circle, therefore one of only a few that care. | ||
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On April 18 2012 07:04 Jackal58 wrote: You actually don't know what item I have cause I still don't trust you as far as I can spit. If you're scum you wont shoot me and you'll try to lynch me. If you're town you're in no way confirmed no matter how many times you try to tell me you are. Jackal lied about having a vig item. This is the obvious thing to tell a person who is demanding item claims if you are unsure if they are scum. On the other hand, Sandroba admitted to ordering a day vig shot from his sheep. Two things about this: 1) It hit a friggen townie and no one seems to care. 2) If this discrepancy is so severe and obvious, why wouldnt Jackal have gotten said vig shot. He thinks Jackal lied about the protection item, so it wouldnt be wasted. The other option is that Sandroba is playing a very good scum game. So many people are completely dismissive of this idea and I don't know why. I asked for a clearer understanding of the mechanic he states cleared him as town, and I got a crap 1 line response. If he is town, he should be leading the scum hunt with a vengeance as he has A LOT of info. However, instead, he wasted a vig shot on a townie and has relatively low activity compared to what would be expected form someone in his position. I doubt this will convince anyone, and it is possible that I'm just being left FAR outside the loop. But I'm sure as hell in the boat of being suspicious of your activities. I still say we lynch you. If he flips town we still have all of the information and all of the remaining townies will be convinced. | ||
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On April 18 2012 08:39 sandroba wrote: Stop saying that I killed the thread. People who are town should be posting, scumhunting and promoting activity. w/e goes on in pm land is just extra. Everyone should play the game as they think is effective. What I'm doing does not interfere with the thread at all. It's just a bonus. If I am wrong about the above post, why would I scumhunt? If I am merely a townie on the outside of the ring, why bother? You claim to have all this info, and only a few people are outside of the ring. You can scum hunt about 10x better than I could. Half of my reads would be someone that you have a very firm town read on, and that's just a waste of my time. You'd like scum to "scum hunt" in thread, so you can get scum reads on the remaining few, but I don't think anyone would take that risk. Too risky for scum, too worthless for townies. Assuming you are scum. | ||
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On April 19 2012 11:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Good one sir. I feel stronger about this than any number of lurker lynches we could support today. On April 19 2012 11:40 chaoser wrote: negative, kurumi is probably not mafia And this is why the thread is dead and people just lurk. /waiting for command from shepherd masters | ||
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I offered to have him filter DT hits through me to support my town claim to him. I would obviously do this, since failure would look scummy, intel would get out to all, DT would be safe, and only one at risk would be a vanilla townie{me}. Seemed good to me, simple yet effective way to contribute. He rejected my idea. I asked him in thread to post some info. He refused again, but erased any hint of a doubt that he was scum via the jackal kill. Original Message From michaelthe: Ok, apparently you just want to only have a few people inside of you loop, but are confirmed town. Original Message From sandroba: Man, it's not wise for me to derail the thread discussion into stuff that does not find scum, that's why I was not responding to your inquiries in thread. It's not that I'm purposely leaving you out of the loop, I'm just protecting the info I have for the sake of town. It would be a really bad idea to claim to me if I just spilled it off at the first sign of pressure right? I appreciate you trying to help out and I know it's hard to trust people, so I understand where you were coming from. Original Message From michaelthe: You literally say you aren't keeping me out of the loop, then describe keeping me out of the loop, in the same sentence. I play to win, but I have zero incentive to be active in thread. Why spend a few hours making a case when you simply come in during the last 12 hours and say "I've found a inconsistency, vote Jackal" and everyone does it. Original Message From sandroba: What would you suggest me to do? I can't share my info with you based on hoping you are town. Sorry if you think the game is not interesting, but I'm doing my best to win, and whatever lack of activity in the thread is not my fault really. About leaving it all to me, well it's not that easy unfortunately. All I have is information, and while that netted us one scum, the others still have to be found out. It would be great if you could keep on posting and trying to find scum based on the thread and keep it active. In the end behavior analysis is really the most effective weapon. You should reread the thread with this new perspective (jackal + l10f scum, me + gm + * town) and try to figure out who is likely to be scum. I'm doing the same here, but I have like 20 people pming me constantly, so I really could use some help. I just actually read that last line: try to figure out who is likely to be scum.... I really could use some help. If our new overlord masters want help, give the entire thread all of the intel you have. Sure, maybe edit out one or two things that could be very harmful as soon as a scum knows it, but overall, I'm not going to waste 2 hours scum hunting just to have the above happen: On April 19 2012 11:40 chaoser wrote: negative, kurumi is probably not mafia 2cents. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + prplhz -2- EchelonTee Coagulation EchelonTee -1- sinani206 No confirmed or suspected scum bandwagoned onto Jackal. They would think it would look too obvious. Is it possible all three of these are scum? If we have to pick ET or Sinani for today, please ET. The goobag vig-shot me night 1 as town in previous game!! ##Vote: EchlonTee | ||
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#1 On April 20 2012 06:54 talismania wrote: I was trying to probe the exact mechanic by which Sandroba claimed he and GM were confirmed town. For example, if they were listed in the role PM as confirmed town to each other OR if GM/Sandroba had to take some action OR if they were listed as a group, without specifying alignment. Basically, I thought it possible that they were listed as a group on the station, without it necessarily meaning they were all “town”. This would fit in with the “body snatchers” theme, as GM could have been the head of their department and had his “body snatched” and been scum. And to the second part, I don't know something about the game you don't. The first clue was related to some body snatchers movie, so I picked up on the specific theme. I just assumed it was possible the mechanic for the sandroba/GM claim could have allowed for his body to be “snatched”. #2 On April 20 2012 06:58 talismania wrote: Michaelthe, why did you even think to make this joke? Reverse psychology. It makes people think I'm not scum when I really am. /anotherjoke I don't really RP, although I have actually enjoyed some of the flavor text in this game, but I think it's important to read people who post content in RP otherwise you would the content due to not wanting to read RP. My joke about being scum was an attempt to point out how stupid it was to make a blanket statement about what posts he would read. Both of those things are pretty simple... Let me know if you have anything else I guess. | ||
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On April 20 2012 08:47 talismania wrote: The first clue was about a body-snatchers movie? I thought it was about an opera. Oh, sorry, I got it slightly wrong. The Night 1 post started with this: On April 15 2012 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: In my practice, I've seen how people have allowed their humanity to drain away. Only it happened slowly instead of all at once. They didn't seem to mind... All of us - a little bit - we harden our hearts, grow callous. Only when we have to fight to stay human do we realize how precious it is to us, how dear. I thought that might have been part of the clue, so googled it. It's a direct quote form Invasion of the Body Snatchers, so thats where I picked up the specific theme. | ||
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