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On April 10 2012 06:09 layabout wrote: Lost mafia? This is bad. Whilst Lost:the video game is widely regarded as one of the greatest video games of all time i may have got stuck in cave and given up. Oh well, maybe i can do better in this game. "This game has no mafia team in it" Discuss I'll begin then: I thought we were playing mafia! Why would there be no mafia team? Ok, your turn. | ||
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It's bastard mafia, so the mafia are bastards. Next! | ||
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On April 10 2012 20:49 layabout wrote: Set-up stuff: Wouldn't the detective be a lot more useful if we all claimed are win-cons? This game is called "Bastard Mafia", this has lead to a ton of speculation about how exactly the host plan to screw us over. In my time here on TL mafia i have only ever had one (sort of) "bastard role". This was in Werewolve Invade TeamLiquid II I was a spying townie with a rival. The problem in that game was that there were two mafia factions and town's chance of winning was fairly low.You also had to survive until endgame. In addition to this you could lose if a specific player was still alive at endgame. It would make very little to no sense if your rival was on another team because you would need them to die anyway so you would essentially be a VT. Because of this prplhz and i realised that the chances were extremely high that we were both town. We also realised that if we tried to kill each other we would substantially lower town's chances of winning (which would screw us both). So we agreed to play to town's wincon and just hope that the mafia would kill the other. It's probably just called bastard mafia because lots of town players need to kill other town players to win and doing so would cause them to lose. TLDR: If you are town and you have to kill certain players chances are high that they are also town. We should also all claim our wincons. There is a chance that we can work out some players that are likely town and we can make the DT much more powerful. I need Bluelightz to stay alive probably because of this: lol, in the werewolves game the "rivals" thing didn't come into play AT ALL! You were killed night 0! I think massclaiming would be a bad idea at this point. Scum, townies with kill win conditions and survivors would lie and knowing townie protect win conditions would be useless. It would do nothing more than generate confusion. We shouldn't focus our attention on finding out who has to do what. Eliminating a scum (and a potential KP) is what we should be doing. Speaking of which, you're lying about having to protect bluelightz. Why would you do that? Layabout, are you scum? | ||
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On April 10 2012 22:10 Bluelightz wrote: Umm, why/how is Layabout lying? How about repeating the joke about killing you twice after the PMs were sent out then later claiming his job is to do the opposite? Sounds like he just made it up, based on his "kill bluelightz" shenanigans, just to add it to his massclaim argument. | ||
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On April 11 2012 05:00 layabout wrote: lol I actually do have to keep Bluelightz alive. I said that we should vig him in my confirmation post, this was before anybody had any roles. I then recieved a PM telling me that i needed him to live. My posting at the start was mostly off-topic garbage in a sea of off topic garbage. What makes me scummy? Would revealing wincons really cause that much confusion? I think that that information could be very helpful, it might even spark off some discussion or cause a surge in activity. Why is VE being so quiet? I realize it was early game banther, but even in early game banther I don't believe you (or anyone else) would jokingly ask for a vig on another person when in fact this other person is your protect target. Hence, you are bullshitting. Also, you try to add credibility to your claim by saying it is something the hosts would do for lulz/to annoy you. But the fact is, you give this explanation along with your claim, without anyone asking for it. This is defensive behavior and you've got my vote. ##Vote layabout | ||
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On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote: sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it. This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying. | ||
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On April 11 2012 16:12 johnnywup wrote: VOTES PEOPLE VOTES! We've got scum/town to lynch! What the fuck, man? Do you realize that by claiming survivor means you're a liability to the town if we reach Lylo? If you choose not to contribute to finding scum, you may as well be dead. It's possible that the endgame condition will make reaching Lylo impossible or something like that, but otherwise, I'll be greatly in favor of lynching you tomorrow. I would say the same thing for phagga, but he's contributing at least. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2012 09:12 Hassybaby wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GVXqD.png) Protection names doesn't equal alignment. Can still lynch him, since the guys who claimed so far have stated that any of their names surviving means a win for town (?) Congratulations, you've just proved in graph form how useless claiming win cons is. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2012 09:32 layabout wrote: Well if somebody is lying and a DT check's them, the DT will know that they lied about their wincon. Other than that there is an increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignments, but since players appear to have multiple targets to keep alive to endgame it's possible that that chance is not so large. So what if a DT finds out they're lying? If a townie has a "kill XXX" condition, he's not gonna claim it, since it would just make him lose credibility. But he's still a townie and XXX may still be scum! "increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignment" is pure speculation (there's already a high chance that will happen, but that is just because probably around 3/4 of the players are town). + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2012 21:40 layabout wrote: Lets assume we are all survivors or town. Town are not mafia. Survivors are not mafia. + Show Spoiler [Filters] + 1 - Bluelightz 2 - johnnywup 3 - phagga 4 - Hassybaby 5 - Drazerk 6 - GreYMisT 7 - VisceraEyes 8 - strongandbig 9 - Macheji 10- Jackal58 11- layabout 12- BagManager 13- Cyber_Cheese 14- Eiii 15- Sbrubbles Very likely survivor: Johnnywub + Show Spoiler + he claims it when mafia would not be sure if there were many survivors and when there was no real need for him to claim it strongandbig + Show Spoiler + he speculates that everyone is a survivor, i also think he is 3rd party. Drazerk + Show Spoiler + based on his wincon being to keep himself alive On April 11 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote: Myself, Macheji, Jackal58 or GreYMisT Go There was also this "be nice to survivors posts" On April 10 2012 23:28 Drazerk wrote: Which annoys me because if someone claims survivor you should just ignore them instead of lynching them day 1 On April 10 2012 23:44 Drazerk wrote: don't even like vigs targetting survivors Just leave em be >.> Also all three are acting like they do not care about lyching mafia. They are acting like they received a 3rd party role and then decided to mess around. A sensible townie knows that survivors can win without town and will pay less attention to what someone that claims survivor says. Likewise a sensible survivor will realise the value in getting people to listen to them and would try to avoid claiming survivor. Probably survivor Cyber Cheese+ Show Spoiler + On April 10 2012 09:11 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Thought: Everyone posts their wincon. Agree/Disagree? explanation coming when i regain PC acess Hassababy + Show Spoiler + explanation coming when i regain PC acess phagga + Show Spoiler + based on his wincon being to keep himself alive On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote: I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles. Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that. On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know... Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him. Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games. Town Jackal + Show Spoiler + Jackal is probably the most responsible for for the wincon claims being shared, he claimed this On April 11 2012 07:33 Jackal58 wrote: Hmmmmm phagga, Sbrubbles, Hassybaby or Drazerk He is probably telling the truth because of these posts On April 11 2012 07:29 Jackal58 wrote: If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was. Him doing this as mafia just does not seem right. Jackal is also quite a lazy player and i don't think he would bother to do this when there was no need for him to do so as mafia. Layabout which leaves us with: Greymist Bluelightz Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles I am fairly sure that Blue and Grey are town but you will need to check for yourself. Greymist seems very concernned about people not listening to him + Blue's tone indicates that he is thinking about who he thinks might be scum. so the mafia are likely in here: Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles At Lylo, survivors are essencially mafia, thus anti-town. You're making the mistaking of trying to divide people into 3 factions when in fact there are only 2. Pro-town and anti-town. Anti-town (scum and, to a lesser extent, survivors) need to be lynched or shot by vigs. If you are assuming that Blue and Grey are town because your objective is to have them live to the endgame, you're assuming wrong. Of your "scum list", how about you make a case on one of us. Oh, and don't do it on Bagmanager. It's too easy to make a case on a lurker (unless you actually plan on casting your vote for him, then go ahead with your case). I had you as scum before, but seing a faulty analisys that in the end just softly accuses 4 different people (two of whom accused you) while clearing everyone else just made up my mind. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 11 2012 23:01 strongandbig wrote: The speculation at LYLO is pointless until we know the endgame condition, which we will find out at the next day post. There is no traditional mafia win condition to outnumber town, so I suspect LYLO will not be possible to reach. It's possible that you are right; however as I said above, it seems like a category of survivors in this game have protect lists, in which case their motivation should be to reduce total KP in the game rather than to avoid attracting attention. Yeah, I mentioned that on another post. I'd rather lynch scummy-looking people instead of claimed survivors at least until the endgame condition is revealed (though even afterwards the priority would still be on lynching scum, of course). Still, I highly doubt survivors will be pro-town; their win condition is to wait out the game, not hunt scum. Also, based on the two posts above, I assume you're a survivor. Am I right? | ||
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On April 11 2012 23:17 phagga wrote: Nope, it states that one out of the group of me, Cyber_Cheese, Sbrubbles, Jackal58 and layabout has to be alive if I want to win. | ||
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On April 11 2012 23:53 phagga wrote: WTF? no, it is not a survivor claim. My role description makes it very clear that I am not survivor, and it's not my fault the hosts decided to give me these win conditions. Fail reading comprehension by me. I was right the first time. On April 11 2012 23:17 phagga wrote: Nope, it states that one out of the group of me, Cyber_Cheese, Sbrubbles, Jackal58 and layabout has to be alive if I want to win. This means you have an alternate win condition as a survivor (if you have another interpretation for the "me" in that list I'd like to hear it). Whether this means you're a threat to town or not will hinge on the endgame condition, though (and, of course, if your play is pro-town, which so far I feel it is). What do you know, I was wrong. Claiming win cons did have an advantage! | ||
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Well, deadline is in 3 hours and he chose not to vote, so I'm guessing he's given up. I'm pretty happy with his lynch, BagManager hasn't voted so hopefully he'll be replaced, Johnny has claimed survivor and I'm pretty sure strongandbig is not town (though I'm not sure if survivor or scum). We'll know what to do with them once the endgame condition is clear. | ||
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On April 12 2012 03:43 BagManager wrote: I'm lurking because I don't know what to do People are saying there might not even be scum, and when I read everyone's posts I get the impression that they may be right lol. I have no idea what I should be doing. Although I do think that some players have the goal of killing me as their win condition. Why else would Phagga be so obsessed with trying to kill me? Out of curiosity, is this your first mafia game? | ||
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I figure this is some scum (or a pissed off layabout) who is trying to confuse town. I really doubt, but admit it's a possibility, that it's the mods giving instructions to a SK (/paranoia). Then again, if it was so, it would be too easy to screw up his kill with a doctor or something and thus have the SK dead tomorrow for missing his target. On April 12 2012 10:01 Macheji wrote: We;ll i am back home nd drunck, So survivor uhhm did someone saysurvivo= bad for townie, wth, dunni dunno. Ok so i'll focus, Ok, focus mode on.... So.... He was survivor. What exactly does survivor mean ? Does black text = third party ? Can someone please clarify this for me. Anyway /offtopic... I almost got it on with some fat chick tonight, and the the cute face but fat girl kind of type... the wtf face fat bod kind of girl.... dunno, i ddank jagermaiester, beer and vodka,h nad 1 sot ofteqila but i hate that drink, and didn't got so fuped to ignore the bigger picture..... dunno, HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU GET so fuped you have sex ( you manage to be able considering the ammount fo alochol you ingested ) with a fat chick, or whatever, maybe some persons are atttract to fat chick, no foul..... to someone you don't find attractive...... I;m just saying , the club i went this wensday night was kinda dullll..... dunno. Well i think i'm gonna go ry to sleep and hopethat once i go into bed the WORLD won;t spin s bad it makes me hard to resist puking. Sumbacg WORLD stop spinning Lynch the world - I want to get off. Seriously, this man just won the game. Also, BagManager is wherebugsgo, for sure. All the post times, except for the first /in, match. Is this a lynchable offense, though? I'm unsure about this. | ||
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Since the last shot (Macheji) was not a projectile weapon, I'm guessing that's the SK's (or scum's, doesn't matter) KP. And that's who we gotta lynch. Also, he may have been protecting someone. | ||
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Time to reread the thread. | ||
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On April 13 2012 06:27 Drazerk wrote: actually screw it I claim DT CC is the serial killer or a survivor Either way he's probably a better lynch Why do you know so? What was revealed to you in your investigations? | ||
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On April 13 2012 06:33 Drazerk wrote: Why would I suggest you first then change my mind upon receiving the DT info? According to the OP the DT info says only the win condition, not the alignment. So, how the hell do you know he's SK or survivor? | ||
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##vote Cyber_Cheese For now, I'm mostly basing my vote on Drazerk, but Macheji, VE and Blue had cases on C_C and I'll try to expand on that later. | ||
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On April 14 2012 01:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Look at it this way. This is a bastard game with bastard rules and a bastard mod. And I think most of YOU GUYS are bastards. My theory is that we're ALL survivors considering the end-game mechanic, except for scum or SK's or whatever that have their very own win-con. And in case you're like ":O", yes, I did just claim Survivor. The fact that you guys are allowing scum to get people to "vote for claimed Survivors" indicates to me that no one is thinking about the higher implications of the game. Jackal, back me up here, is this what you're seeing too? What the fuck are you talking about? There have been 2 blue flips and I can soft-confirm phagga's role as he can mine through the killflavour. Plus we'll know after C_C's lynch if Drazerk has a town role or if he's bullshitting us (which I doubt at this point). How the heck are you suggesting that we're all "survivors"? I don't need to live to the last day, but you're claiming you do. Is this your plan, to out yourself as survivor in order to avoid being shot in the night? Or are you scum trying to pass as survivor after seing Johnny is being left mostly alone? Also, I'm curious, why call out to Jackal, specifically? He hasn't commented at all on what you're talking about. | ||
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On April 14 2012 02:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Because Jackal is experienced and I can trust his take on the setup regardless of his alignment. *shrug* Feel free to lynch the piss out of me tomorrow if you want - but in the meantime I'm going to be trying to find scum with/for you so the end of the game comes faster. Obviously from my perspective it's a waste of a lynch because I know that I'm not scum, so you're not doing anything to help town by removing me...but I don't expect you to take my word for it. So yeah, that's where we're at. Hmm, say, VE, what is your win condition? Do you just have to survive till the end? Or do you need someone else alive as well? Or is this person's survival enough for you wincon? | ||
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On April 13 2012 09:23 Jackal58 wrote: There is no scum. If there was I'd be dead. Hey Jackal, you suppose you'd be shot because you're a seasoned player and all that, right? But why do you think scum would shoot you but a SK wouldn't? Or do you have another theory for the third night kill? | ||
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1) Formulate a plan of who are the best 3 to survive to the endgame. 2) Lynch the SK so that he doesn't screw up the plan. Quick show of hands: who here would be happy with a Hassybaby, phagga and me endgame? I'd be willing to sub myself out for johnnywup, if it was the case, but as it stands I think more people will be happier with me than him alive. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 13 2012 19:09 Bluelightz wrote: HI GUYS, Have you noticed how VE is acting is entirely sheeping and totally not beneficial to town? Let's look at this stuff first, He spends 2 post's on some useless stuff why Layabout was targeting me for joking + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: layabout, do you dislike Bluelightz? Do you think Bluelightz is in the scumteam that you're speculating doesn't exist? Why would you want me to shoot Bluelightz? On April 10 2012 06:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't condone killing people for 'lols' after how I raged in the obsQT for Aperture. It's not fun for the lolee. Next, he want's to lynch layabout JUST for the joking on me...... I can't see the logic in this, VE's playing has however been entirely playful, he never bothers to make cases on people, he makes one liners etc. VE's early game banther was harmless and said nothing on his alignment. In my case on layabout it mattered because it was in complete contradiction to his claimed win con. In this case, using it looks like you're using it to forcefully paint VE scummy. + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2012 19:09 Bluelightz wrote: And look, here he tries to avoid potential suspicion if LB flipped town, so he voted C_C Night 1 Results: Okay where I said I needed the night's results was to see logic: I die --> CC = SK I didnt --> CC = Survivor or Town VE didn't die --> Survior, scum, or SK. Im taking the benefit of the doubt and believing this logic on VE. You made an accusation on the assumption that C_C would have killed one of you because you were both on the right track. There is a shitton of WIFOM involved in making said statement. Killing one of two players who didn't have much sway over the town discussion would have made himself look suspicious or at least made him think twice about going through with it. Also, there's the possibility that he actually DID try to shoot you, but Macheji as the bodyguard blocked the shot. You didn't even account for that. With the information we had at the time, this sounded like bad logic. After C_C's flip, we know for sure. + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2012 19:09 Bluelightz wrote: Last part, if you look at his town meta, VE was actively pushing discussion, making cases, etc. Here he just's jokes around like not caring if LB was town or not. This is why I want VE lynched. I don't know much about his town/scum meta, but either way it is weak for that to be the only solid basis of your case. This case was bad, and I haven't been liking your play so far. You've got my vote. ##vote Bluelightz | ||
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On April 17 2012 01:11 Hassybaby wrote: Why those 3 specific names? I'm honoured but what's the reason for them above the other 6? It should be pretty clear I need one of those people to survive and I looked at other people's claimed win cons to try to make a decent combination. I realize any plan at this point probably won't work because a single kill from the SK can throw it out of the window, but I still think that's a combination that we should shoot for. So, how about it, Hass? | ||
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On April 17 2012 23:26 Bluelightz wrote: I don't know anymore ;; I'm gonna vote e3 I guess So, you're putting your vote on E3, despite your claimed win condition and with still with plenty of time to discuss and try to change the focus from him to someone else? I wasn't 100% sure before, but now I'm certain you're the SK. Guys, Bluelightz needs to die. I don't care about E3 and have no problem with him getting lynched along with Blue, but we can't let Blue live to kill again tonight. | ||
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You claim E3 is one of the people you're trying to keep alive, but you place your vote on him with still plenty of daytime for discussion. Why? Because you're lying about your win condition. | ||
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On April 18 2012 01:39 VisceraEyes wrote: THe lynchmaster lynch doesn't replace the normal lynch...it's just another lynch. E3 is a bad target too, but I'm even worse  In the OP it says the lynchmaster replaces the normal lynch. Which one is it? | ||
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On April 18 2012 01:55 GreYMisT wrote: ##DROP BOMB Wait, what? | ||
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On April 18 2012 02:53 VisceraEyes wrote: KILL THE BASTARD!! Are you just not gonna vote, VE? If Jackal is lying about lynching you, you may be able to save your Eiii (if someone else switches as well). | ||
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Is that the end of the people who kill in the night? If so, this game is essencially over and everyone wins (if no one else dies, the winning combination for the last day is already clear). | ||
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I need Johnny or Hassy alive at the end of the game. Looking at everyone's win cons, a Hassy, Sbrubbles, Johnny endgame seems like it would make absolutely everyone happy. | ||
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On April 19 2012 08:07 johnnywup wrote: and eiii wins with sbrubbles, jackal, greymist, or bluelightz sbrubbles e3 hassy? Sounds good to me. ##Vote: Greymist Votes tied at 2-2. | ||
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1) There are no night-killing roles left, in other words, everyone here is telling the truth and will meet their win cons, winning the game. Forumite might be planning on shifting things around (create new SKs, alter win cons, etc) to fuck things up. If he's not planning to do so, he should end the game now. 2) There is still a night-killing role around, who held his shot multiples times for mysterious reasons. Go figure. Either way, lynching as many people as we can to end the game as soon as possible with the proposed team is still the best option. | ||
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On April 19 2012 21:57 phagga wrote: Hey, Let's do this, nothing bad is gonna happen! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/chX9M.gif) Oh well, who could have foreseen THAT?! Pfft, quit being a pansy. On April 19 2012 22:02 Hassybaby wrote: So....which 4 goes down today? Besides Grey and Jackal, how about Blue and Phagga? | ||
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. . . Wait, what? | ||
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##shot Dirkzor Now you will all be forever trapped in this game! Muhahahaha! | ||
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Forumite, I think this setup has promise. I just think it needs more PMs and maybe more people with guns. | ||
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