EPTIt's on!
Bastard Mafia
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
It's on! | ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
| ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On April 10 2012 06:09 layabout wrote: Lost mafia? This is bad. Whilst Lost:the video game is widely regarded as one of the greatest video games of all time i may have got stuck in cave and given up. Oh well, maybe i can do better in this game. "This game has no mafia team in it" Discuss I'll begin then: I thought we were playing mafia! Why would there be no mafia team? Ok, your turn. | ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
It's bastard mafia, so the mafia are bastards. Next! | ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On April 10 2012 20:49 layabout wrote: Set-up stuff: Wouldn't the detective be a lot more useful if we all claimed are win-cons? This game is called "Bastard Mafia", this has lead to a ton of speculation about how exactly the host plan to screw us over. In my time here on TL mafia i have only ever had one (sort of) "bastard role". This was in Werewolve Invade TeamLiquid II I was a spying townie with a rival. The problem in that game was that there were two mafia factions and town's chance of winning was fairly low.You also had to survive until endgame. In addition to this you could lose if a specific player was still alive at endgame. It would make very little to no sense if your rival was on another team because you would need them to die anyway so you would essentially be a VT. Because of this prplhz and i realised that the chances were extremely high that we were both town. We also realised that if we tried to kill each other we would substantially lower town's chances of winning (which would screw us both). So we agreed to play to town's wincon and just hope that the mafia would kill the other. It's probably just called bastard mafia because lots of town players need to kill other town players to win and doing so would cause them to lose. TLDR: If you are town and you have to kill certain players chances are high that they are also town. We should also all claim our wincons. There is a chance that we can work out some players that are likely town and we can make the DT much more powerful. I need Bluelightz to stay alive probably because of this: lol, in the werewolves game the "rivals" thing didn't come into play AT ALL! You were killed night 0! I think massclaiming would be a bad idea at this point. Scum, townies with kill win conditions and survivors would lie and knowing townie protect win conditions would be useless. It would do nothing more than generate confusion. We shouldn't focus our attention on finding out who has to do what. Eliminating a scum (and a potential KP) is what we should be doing. Speaking of which, you're lying about having to protect bluelightz. Why would you do that? Layabout, are you scum? | ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On April 10 2012 22:10 Bluelightz wrote: Umm, why/how is Layabout lying? How about repeating the joke about killing you twice after the PMs were sent out then later claiming his job is to do the opposite? Sounds like he just made it up, based on his "kill bluelightz" shenanigans, just to add it to his massclaim argument. | ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On April 11 2012 05:00 layabout wrote: lol I actually do have to keep Bluelightz alive. I said that we should vig him in my confirmation post, this was before anybody had any roles. I then recieved a PM telling me that i needed him to live. My posting at the start was mostly off-topic garbage in a sea of off topic garbage. What makes me scummy? Would revealing wincons really cause that much confusion? I think that that information could be very helpful, it might even spark off some discussion or cause a surge in activity. Why is VE being so quiet? I realize it was early game banther, but even in early game banther I don't believe you (or anyone else) would jokingly ask for a vig on another person when in fact this other person is your protect target. Hence, you are bullshitting. Also, you try to add credibility to your claim by saying it is something the hosts would do for lulz/to annoy you. But the fact is, you give this explanation along with your claim, without anyone asking for it. This is defensive behavior and you've got my vote. ##Vote layabout | ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote: sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it. This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying. | ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
| ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On April 11 2012 16:12 johnnywup wrote: VOTES PEOPLE VOTES! We've got scum/town to lynch! What the fuck, man? Do you realize that by claiming survivor means you're a liability to the town if we reach Lylo? If you choose not to contribute to finding scum, you may as well be dead. It's possible that the endgame condition will make reaching Lylo impossible or something like that, but otherwise, I'll be greatly in favor of lynching you tomorrow. I would say the same thing for phagga, but he's contributing at least. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2012 09:12 Hassybaby wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GVXqD.png) Protection names doesn't equal alignment. Can still lynch him, since the guys who claimed so far have stated that any of their names surviving means a win for town (?) Congratulations, you've just proved in graph form how useless claiming win cons is. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2012 09:32 layabout wrote: Well if somebody is lying and a DT check's them, the DT will know that they lied about their wincon. Other than that there is an increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignments, but since players appear to have multiple targets to keep alive to endgame it's possible that that chance is not so large. So what if a DT finds out they're lying? If a townie has a "kill XXX" condition, he's not gonna claim it, since it would just make him lose credibility. But he's still a townie and XXX may still be scum! "increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignment" is pure speculation (there's already a high chance that will happen, but that is just because probably around 3/4 of the players are town). + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2012 21:40 layabout wrote: Lets assume we are all survivors or town. Town are not mafia. Survivors are not mafia. + Show Spoiler [Filters] + 1 - Bluelightz 2 - johnnywup 3 - phagga 4 - Hassybaby 5 - Drazerk 6 - GreYMisT 7 - VisceraEyes 8 - strongandbig 9 - Macheji 10- Jackal58 11- layabout 12- BagManager 13- Cyber_Cheese 14- Eiii 15- Sbrubbles Very likely survivor: Johnnywub + Show Spoiler + he claims it when mafia would not be sure if there were many survivors and when there was no real need for him to claim it strongandbig + Show Spoiler + he speculates that everyone is a survivor, i also think he is 3rd party. Drazerk + Show Spoiler + based on his wincon being to keep himself alive On April 11 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote: Myself, Macheji, Jackal58 or GreYMisT Go There was also this "be nice to survivors posts" On April 10 2012 23:28 Drazerk wrote: Which annoys me because if someone claims survivor you should just ignore them instead of lynching them day 1 On April 10 2012 23:44 Drazerk wrote: don't even like vigs targetting survivors Just leave em be >.> Also all three are acting like they do not care about lyching mafia. They are acting like they received a 3rd party role and then decided to mess around. A sensible townie knows that survivors can win without town and will pay less attention to what someone that claims survivor says. Likewise a sensible survivor will realise the value in getting people to listen to them and would try to avoid claiming survivor. Probably survivor Cyber Cheese+ Show Spoiler + On April 10 2012 09:11 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Thought: Everyone posts their wincon. Agree/Disagree? explanation coming when i regain PC acess Hassababy + Show Spoiler + explanation coming when i regain PC acess phagga + Show Spoiler + based on his wincon being to keep himself alive On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote: I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles. Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that. On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know... Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him. Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games. Town Jackal + Show Spoiler + Jackal is probably the most responsible for for the wincon claims being shared, he claimed this On April 11 2012 07:33 Jackal58 wrote: Hmmmmm phagga, Sbrubbles, Hassybaby or Drazerk He is probably telling the truth because of these posts On April 11 2012 07:29 Jackal58 wrote: If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was. Him doing this as mafia just does not seem right. Jackal is also quite a lazy player and i don't think he would bother to do this when there was no need for him to do so as mafia. Layabout which leaves us with: Greymist Bluelightz Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles I am fairly sure that Blue and Grey are town but you will need to check for yourself. Greymist seems very concernned about people not listening to him + Blue's tone indicates that he is thinking about who he thinks might be scum. so the mafia are likely in here: Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles At Lylo, survivors are essencially mafia, thus anti-town. You're making the mistaking of trying to divide people into 3 factions when in fact there are only 2. Pro-town and anti-town. Anti-town (scum and, to a lesser extent, survivors) need to be lynched or shot by vigs. If you are assuming that Blue and Grey are town because your objective is to have them live to the endgame, you're assuming wrong. Of your "scum list", how about you make a case on one of us. Oh, and don't do it on Bagmanager. It's too easy to make a case on a lurker (unless you actually plan on casting your vote for him, then go ahead with your case). I had you as scum before, but seing a faulty analisys that in the end just softly accuses 4 different people (two of whom accused you) while clearing everyone else just made up my mind. | ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On April 11 2012 23:01 strongandbig wrote: The speculation at LYLO is pointless until we know the endgame condition, which we will find out at the next day post. There is no traditional mafia win condition to outnumber town, so I suspect LYLO will not be possible to reach. It's possible that you are right; however as I said above, it seems like a category of survivors in this game have protect lists, in which case their motivation should be to reduce total KP in the game rather than to avoid attracting attention. Yeah, I mentioned that on another post. I'd rather lynch scummy-looking people instead of claimed survivors at least until the endgame condition is revealed (though even afterwards the priority would still be on lynching scum, of course). Still, I highly doubt survivors will be pro-town; their win condition is to wait out the game, not hunt scum. Also, based on the two posts above, I assume you're a survivor. Am I right? | ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
| ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On April 11 2012 23:17 phagga wrote: Nope, it states that one out of the group of me, Cyber_Cheese, Sbrubbles, Jackal58 and layabout has to be alive if I want to win. | ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
| ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On April 11 2012 23:53 phagga wrote: WTF? no, it is not a survivor claim. My role description makes it very clear that I am not survivor, and it's not my fault the hosts decided to give me these win conditions. Fail reading comprehension by me. I was right the first time. On April 11 2012 23:17 phagga wrote: Nope, it states that one out of the group of me, Cyber_Cheese, Sbrubbles, Jackal58 and layabout has to be alive if I want to win. This means you have an alternate win condition as a survivor (if you have another interpretation for the "me" in that list I'd like to hear it). Whether this means you're a threat to town or not will hinge on the endgame condition, though (and, of course, if your play is pro-town, which so far I feel it is). What do you know, I was wrong. Claiming win cons did have an advantage! | ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
Well, deadline is in 3 hours and he chose not to vote, so I'm guessing he's given up. I'm pretty happy with his lynch, BagManager hasn't voted so hopefully he'll be replaced, Johnny has claimed survivor and I'm pretty sure strongandbig is not town (though I'm not sure if survivor or scum). We'll know what to do with them once the endgame condition is clear. | ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:43 BagManager wrote: I'm lurking because I don't know what to do People are saying there might not even be scum, and when I read everyone's posts I get the impression that they may be right lol. I have no idea what I should be doing. Although I do think that some players have the goal of killing me as their win condition. Why else would Phagga be so obsessed with trying to kill me? Out of curiosity, is this your first mafia game? | ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
I figure this is some scum (or a pissed off layabout) who is trying to confuse town. I really doubt, but admit it's a possibility, that it's the mods giving instructions to a SK (/paranoia). Then again, if it was so, it would be too easy to screw up his kill with a doctor or something and thus have the SK dead tomorrow for missing his target. On April 12 2012 10:01 Macheji wrote: We;ll i am back home nd drunck, So survivor uhhm did someone saysurvivo= bad for townie, wth, dunni dunno. Ok so i'll focus, Ok, focus mode on.... So.... He was survivor. What exactly does survivor mean ? Does black text = third party ? Can someone please clarify this for me. Anyway /offtopic... I almost got it on with some fat chick tonight, and the the cute face but fat girl kind of type... the wtf face fat bod kind of girl.... dunno, i ddank jagermaiester, beer and vodka,h nad 1 sot ofteqila but i hate that drink, and didn't got so fuped to ignore the bigger picture..... dunno, HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU GET so fuped you have sex ( you manage to be able considering the ammount fo alochol you ingested ) with a fat chick, or whatever, maybe some persons are atttract to fat chick, no foul..... to someone you don't find attractive...... I;m just saying , the club i went this wensday night was kinda dullll..... dunno. Well i think i'm gonna go ry to sleep and hopethat once i go into bed the WORLD won;t spin s bad it makes me hard to resist puking. Sumbacg WORLD stop spinning Lynch the world - I want to get off. Seriously, this man just won the game. Also, BagManager is wherebugsgo, for sure. All the post times, except for the first /in, match. Is this a lynchable offense, though? I'm unsure about this. | ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
Since the last shot (Macheji) was not a projectile weapon, I'm guessing that's the SK's (or scum's, doesn't matter) KP. And that's who we gotta lynch. Also, he may have been protecting someone. | ||
|
Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
Time to reread the thread. | ||
| ||
