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On April 13 2012 06:27 Drazerk wrote: actually screw it
I claim DT
CC is the serial killer or a survivor
Either way he's probably a better lynch
Why do you know so? What was revealed to you in your investigations?
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On April 13 2012 06:33 Drazerk wrote: Why would I suggest you first then change my mind upon receiving the DT info?
According to the OP the DT info says only the win condition, not the alignment. So, how the hell do you know he's SK or survivor?
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Well, I can't see Drazerk as lying at this point. The "kill someone" wincons are never alone, acording to the OP, so he has other wincons which he can only hope to further if he's alive. Thus he would never lie in such a manner, knowing we're gonna lynch him tomorrow if he's lying.
##vote Cyber_Cheese
For now, I'm mostly basing my vote on Drazerk, but Macheji, VE and Blue had cases on C_C and I'll try to expand on that later.
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On April 14 2012 01:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Look at it this way. This is a bastard game with bastard rules and a bastard mod. And I think most of YOU GUYS are bastards.
My theory is that we're ALL survivors considering the end-game mechanic, except for scum or SK's or whatever that have their very own win-con. And in case you're like ":O", yes, I did just claim Survivor. The fact that you guys are allowing scum to get people to "vote for claimed Survivors" indicates to me that no one is thinking about the higher implications of the game.
Jackal, back me up here, is this what you're seeing too?
What the fuck are you talking about? There have been 2 blue flips and I can soft-confirm phagga's role as he can mine through the killflavour. Plus we'll know after C_C's lynch if Drazerk has a town role or if he's bullshitting us (which I doubt at this point). How the heck are you suggesting that we're all "survivors"? I don't need to live to the last day, but you're claiming you do.
Is this your plan, to out yourself as survivor in order to avoid being shot in the night? Or are you scum trying to pass as survivor after seing Johnny is being left mostly alone?
Also, I'm curious, why call out to Jackal, specifically? He hasn't commented at all on what you're talking about.
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On April 14 2012 02:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Because Jackal is experienced and I can trust his take on the setup regardless of his alignment. *shrug*
Feel free to lynch the piss out of me tomorrow if you want - but in the meantime I'm going to be trying to find scum with/for you so the end of the game comes faster. Obviously from my perspective it's a waste of a lynch because I know that I'm not scum, so you're not doing anything to help town by removing me...but I don't expect you to take my word for it.
So yeah, that's where we're at.
Hmm, say, VE, what is your win condition? Do you just have to survive till the end? Or do you need someone else alive as well? Or is this person's survival enough for you wincon?
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On April 13 2012 09:23 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 08:57 Hassybaby wrote: Plus the flips were on people who didn't look that town. I don't think Mafia would have targeted them over other targets, so it makes more sense that they're town vigi hits. There is no scum. If there was I'd be dead.
Hey Jackal, you suppose you'd be shot because you're a seasoned player and all that, right? But why do you think scum would shoot you but a SK wouldn't? Or do you have another theory for the third night kill?
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15- Sbrubbles - Claimed DT - ???
Wait, what?
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Hey guys, I'm back. I think we'll need to do 2 things:
1) Formulate a plan of who are the best 3 to survive to the endgame. 2) Lynch the SK so that he doesn't screw up the plan.
Quick show of hands: who here would be happy with a Hassybaby, phagga and me endgame? I'd be willing to sub myself out for johnnywup, if it was the case, but as it stands I think more people will be happier with me than him alive.
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Bluelightz, you claim your win con only constitutes a single person. This sounds very gimped in comparison with other people (inclusing mine) who's win con includes a lot more people. Also, your case on VE was crap:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2012 19:09 Bluelightz wrote:HI GUYS, Have you noticed how VE is acting is entirely sheeping and totally not beneficial to town? Let's look at this stuff first, He spends 2 post's on some useless stuff why Layabout was targeting me for joking + Show Spoiler +On April 10 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: layabout, do you dislike Bluelightz? Do you think Bluelightz is in the scumteam that you're speculating doesn't exist? Why would you want me to shoot Bluelightz? On April 10 2012 06:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't condone killing people for 'lols' after how I raged in the obsQT for Aperture. It's not fun for the lolee. Next, he want's to lynch layabout JUST for the joking on me...... Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I think we should lynch layabout.
I mean...layabout.
Am I doing it right? I can't see the logic in this, VE's playing has however been entirely playful, he never bothers to make cases on people, he makes one liners etc.
VE's early game banther was harmless and said nothing on his alignment. In my case on layabout it mattered because it was in complete contradiction to his claimed win con. In this case, using it looks like you're using it to forcefully paint VE scummy.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2012 19:09 Bluelightz wrote:And look, here he tries to avoid potential suspicion if LB flipped town, so he voted C_C Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 20:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, I'm good with a Cyber_Cheese lynch. Playing the newbie card is one thing, but not as a sole basis for a lynch. I think Macheji responded fine to C_C's accusation, and the fact that C_C is still pushing it is coming off as scummy to me.
##Vote: Cyber_Cheese
Night 1 Results: Okay where I said I needed the night's results was to see logic: I die --> CC = SK I didnt --> CC = Survivor or Town VE didn't die --> Survior, scum, or SK. Im taking the benefit of the doubt and believing this logic on VE.
You made an accusation on the assumption that C_C would have killed one of you because you were both on the right track. There is a shitton of WIFOM involved in making said statement.
Killing one of two players who didn't have much sway over the town discussion would have made himself look suspicious or at least made him think twice about going through with it. Also, there's the possibility that he actually DID try to shoot you, but Macheji as the bodyguard blocked the shot. You didn't even account for that.
With the information we had at the time, this sounded like bad logic. After C_C's flip, we know for sure.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2012 19:09 Bluelightz wrote:
Last part, if you look at his town meta, VE was actively pushing discussion, making cases, etc.
Here he just's jokes around like not caring if LB was town or not.
This is why I want VE lynched.
I don't know much about his town/scum meta, but either way it is weak for that to be the only solid basis of your case. This case was bad, and I haven't been liking your play so far. You've got my vote.
##vote Bluelightz
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On April 17 2012 01:11 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 00:29 Sbrubbles wrote: Hey guys, I'm back. I think we'll need to do 2 things:
1) Formulate a plan of who are the best 3 to survive to the endgame. 2) Lynch the SK so that he doesn't screw up the plan.
Quick show of hands: who here would be happy with a Hassybaby, phagga and me endgame? I'd be willing to sub myself out for johnnywup, if it was the case, but as it stands I think more people will be happier with me than him alive. Why those 3 specific names? I'm honoured but what's the reason for them above the other 6?
It should be pretty clear I need one of those people to survive and I looked at other people's claimed win cons to try to make a decent combination. I realize any plan at this point probably won't work because a single kill from the SK can throw it out of the window, but I still think that's a combination that we should shoot for. So, how about it, Hass?
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*decent combination = should please most people
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On April 17 2012 23:26 Bluelightz wrote: I don't know anymore ;; I'm gonna vote e3 I guess
So, you're putting your vote on E3, despite your claimed win condition and with still with plenty of time to discuss and try to change the focus from him to someone else? I wasn't 100% sure before, but now I'm certain you're the SK.
Guys, Bluelightz needs to die. I don't care about E3 and have no problem with him getting lynched along with Blue, but we can't let Blue live to kill again tonight.
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On April 18 2012 00:02 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 23:59 Sbrubbles wrote:On April 17 2012 23:26 Bluelightz wrote: I don't know anymore ;; I'm gonna vote e3 I guess So, you're putting your vote on E3, despite your claimed win condition and with still with plenty of time to discuss and try to change the focus from him to someone else? I wasn't 100% sure before, but now I'm certain you're the SK. Guys, Bluelightz needs to die. I don't care about E3 and have no problem with him getting lynched along with Blue, but we can't let Blue live to kill again tonight. ..... I'm survivor ....
You claim E3 is one of the people you're trying to keep alive, but you place your vote on him with still plenty of daytime for discussion. Why? Because you're lying about your win condition.
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On April 18 2012 01:39 VisceraEyes wrote:THe lynchmaster lynch doesn't replace the normal lynch...it's just another lynch. E3 is a bad target too, but I'm even worse 
In the OP it says the lynchmaster replaces the normal lynch. Which one is it?
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On April 18 2012 01:55 GreYMisT wrote: ##DROP BOMB
Wait, what?
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On April 18 2012 02:53 VisceraEyes wrote: KILL THE BASTARD!!
Are you just not gonna vote, VE? If Jackal is lying about lynching you, you may be able to save your Eiii (if someone else switches as well).
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Wow ... good job Jackal!
Is that the end of the people who kill in the night? If so, this game is essencially over and everyone wins (if no one else dies, the winning combination for the last day is already clear).
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Well, he didn't claim his win cons immediately after claiming survivor, but he did so only after I asked (about 1 hour afterwards). This is a moot point though
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Well, that's that I think. There is the low low possibility of a third SK holding his shot to change things around, but I doubt it.
I need Johnny or Hassy alive at the end of the game. Looking at everyone's win cons, a Hassy, Sbrubbles, Johnny endgame seems like it would make absolutely everyone happy.
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On April 19 2012 08:07 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 08:06 GreYMisT wrote: I win if Me, Eiii, VE, StrongandBig, or Bagmanager make it to endgame.
So only me and Eiii then and eiii wins with sbrubbles, jackal, greymist, or bluelightz sbrubbles e3 hassy?
Sounds good to me.
##Vote: Greymist
Votes tied at 2-2.
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