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On April 08 2012 01:30 era wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 01:18 LazinCajun wrote:On April 08 2012 01:11 era wrote:On April 08 2012 00:03 BlueyD wrote:
Aye, time to put out a vote.
My case against Gossemerr hasn't gotten any better, and standards are higher on day 2 than on day 1. What I have is insufficient for me to vote for him.
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Bocki's defense against my lastest attack is decent, though no more. What he says (didn't post his case because he thought it was a bit weak, wanted it to be stronger before he did and got rushed into it) is plausible. His vote for me feels a bit like an OMGUS, but it does seem plausible that I would have been his best read already, with the whole Gossemerr thing I seem to be the only one to be getting.
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era's play is maddeningly unchanging. He's tunneling, short-posting and WIFOMing all over the place, even after people have pointed it out. The only question is: Horrible townie, or horrible mafia? It is my opinion that a horrible town would at least learn to be less awful after a few days, and actually help the town in some way. This guy hasn't. The one insight he got (and I have difficulty thinking it was really his), he actually dismissed.
##Vote:era
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I want to congratulate LazinCajun for posting a very convincing connection case. I took a quick look at therapist and era's filters and in my opinion it support the case as well. I'll do a deeper analysis if era turns up scum. Really, you find a connection case that's based on me and therapist posting 3 minutes apart convincing? Lazin himself says that we posted 40 minutes before the deadline which is when everyone would usually be on and voting. Why are you trying to use Lazins "convincing" case to try to get me lynched? I think you are panicking because you are scum. Oh man. Almost none of his reasoning is based on my post, but rather your posting. You're not defending what he was accusing you of. Theres not much to defend, i do post a lot of WIFOM trying not to do that as much. Blueyd asks if im a horrible townie or a horrible mafia? I am obviously a bad townie, this is my first game, Im sure I will player better in my next game. Also it might seem like i am tunneling BlueyD but hes the most suspicious in my book, I am trying to find mafia not accuse 5 different people.
Sure, in this case there might not be much to defend, but once again everything i said earlier stands. you cant get out of it with an i'm new excuse. You have not adequately defended any of that, nor have you started posting content after. Therefore, my vote on you stands. I think you are more likely to be mafia than bluey simply because he tries to defend himself adequately and does post his own non-wifom analysis. we get information either way, i guess, but still, i feel that era is the best lynch.
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On April 08 2012 02:49 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also, i want to note that it is likely that mafia flopped votes between the two bandwagons in early game to not be associated with eachother. if it was say a therapist and era connection, they both accidentally flopped with the same idea.
Is there nothing that WIFOM can't refute in this game?  But I don't disagree, it does weaken my argument.
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Alright, I'm going to throw in my vote now in case I'm not around closer to the deadline. My vote is not set in stone at this point, but I am most suspicious of Era at the moment, so here goes.
##Vote: Era
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even if the conclusions in your analysis might be weakened, i still think that the analysis was really damn good...
And yeah, where is gossemerr ...
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On April 08 2012 02:53 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 01:30 era wrote:On April 08 2012 01:18 LazinCajun wrote:On April 08 2012 01:11 era wrote:On April 08 2012 00:03 BlueyD wrote:
Aye, time to put out a vote.
My case against Gossemerr hasn't gotten any better, and standards are higher on day 2 than on day 1. What I have is insufficient for me to vote for him.
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Bocki's defense against my lastest attack is decent, though no more. What he says (didn't post his case because he thought it was a bit weak, wanted it to be stronger before he did and got rushed into it) is plausible. His vote for me feels a bit like an OMGUS, but it does seem plausible that I would have been his best read already, with the whole Gossemerr thing I seem to be the only one to be getting.
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era's play is maddeningly unchanging. He's tunneling, short-posting and WIFOMing all over the place, even after people have pointed it out. The only question is: Horrible townie, or horrible mafia? It is my opinion that a horrible town would at least learn to be less awful after a few days, and actually help the town in some way. This guy hasn't. The one insight he got (and I have difficulty thinking it was really his), he actually dismissed.
##Vote:era
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I want to congratulate LazinCajun for posting a very convincing connection case. I took a quick look at therapist and era's filters and in my opinion it support the case as well. I'll do a deeper analysis if era turns up scum. Really, you find a connection case that's based on me and therapist posting 3 minutes apart convincing? Lazin himself says that we posted 40 minutes before the deadline which is when everyone would usually be on and voting. Why are you trying to use Lazins "convincing" case to try to get me lynched? I think you are panicking because you are scum. Oh man. Almost none of his reasoning is based on my post, but rather your posting. You're not defending what he was accusing you of. Theres not much to defend, i do post a lot of WIFOM trying not to do that as much. Blueyd asks if im a horrible townie or a horrible mafia? I am obviously a bad townie, this is my first game, Im sure I will player better in my next game. Also it might seem like i am tunneling BlueyD but hes the most suspicious in my book, I am trying to find mafia not accuse 5 different people. Sure, in this case there might not be much to defend, but once again everything i said earlier stands. you cant get out of it with an i'm new excuse. You have not adequately defended any of that, nor have you started posting content after. Therefore, my vote on you stands. I think you are more likely to be mafia than bluey simply because he tries to defend himself adequately and does post his own non-wifom analysis. we get information either way, i guess, but still, i feel that era is the best lynch.
Your main accusation is that i use WIFOM, which is your accusation for almost everyone, it seems like thats the only analysis you ever bring to the table. WIFOM is not always bad and can be useful. I do agree that I use it too much I dont know how you want me to defend myself?
I also posted about blueyD which somewhat got ignored, which is not WIFOM.
"Gossemerr, I'm being attacked for making jokes now, really? I'll tell you, there's two reasons I'm making jokes. First... it's fun! Second... I wanted to see who jumped on them to try to make a case look better than it is. Grats, you did."
I don't think that his jokes is just flavor. He makes jokes because he wants people to accuse him? Why would he want this? Its a total waste of time and makes no sense if hes a townie. If he is scum it allows him to discredit accusations and gain town favor while doing it. Ill admit its a risky strategy for a mafia since hes putting attention on him. I still find him suspicious.
Lastly Nova is always defending blueyd, so much that sometimes blueyd doesnt even have to defend himself he can just sit back and relax. Why are you so keen on defending blueyd?
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##Vote: BlueyD
Based on my own case.
The only case I have at the current time. So much random WIFOM analysis right now. I wish we would stop this and actually use posts to make logical analyses. I'm going to reread everything before I leave for work in two hours.
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On the jokes thing, again...
I knew from the start of the game I'd be playing aggressive and posting a LOT of content, hence I knew I could get away with some jokes, and besides, it's fun for me. And of course, if you see someone just trying to point out the jokes and ignoring the actual analysis I'm doing, then that certainly is scummy - they're focusing on the WRONG things.
If I end up being lynched, I'll flip green, you'll see the joking wasn't scummy after all... and you should get some info from this. Please go back through the thread and see whose attacks on me make some sense and whose attacks are silly.
- era jumped on me before there was any case to even be started and tunneled me so hard, of course he was going to mention them.
- Goss changed his mind halfway through. At first they didn't matter, then suddenly they were a good part of the case. You would think he could make a case against me without the jokes if there were a case, given that he didn't think there was anything scummy about it at the start.
- Bocki didn't comment on them until I pressured him, so it's hard to tell. Might just be OMGUS really.
- Nova's behavior about them seems totally townie: comments a bit but mostly makes sense. Lazin doesn't get distracted by them at all. Even Therapist doesn't comment on that and relies on something else for his vote on me, though he's suspicious for other reasons.
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Why do something that will confuse people in the first place? Trying to confuse people is not a townie thing to do. You are puosefully trying to make it harder to find mafia.
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Obviously joking around confuses you?
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"I wanted to see who would jump on them to try to make a case look better thank it is" you want people to accuse you, dismiss it because you were just joking. Wasting time and confusing people.
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Gosse didnt say anything for 23 hours...
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"I wanted to see who would jump on them to try to make a case look better thank it is" you want people to accuse you, dismiss it because you were just joking. Wasting time and confusing people.
No, era, that is once again not what I said. You have to read this not as "hurr durr, let's get people to accuse me by making jokes!", but as "it's a reasonable assumption that I might have accusations on me at some point during this game, especially with my aggressive style... so let's see who sticks to arguments that seem reasonable, and let's see who tries to make the case look stronger by pointing at the jokes instead."
As for Gosse, funny how much he was posting while he actually had a case on him, and how quiet he went the minute it got put aside. Heh.
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BlueyD
To be fair, I said the first one was harmless with my very first post, that's it. I'm voting for you based on your meta being different from last game.
I personally feel like era is just a new bad townie. This thread is so cluttered with bullshit right now. I gotta bring this back up from Nova:
On April 07 2012 09:21 Nova_Terra wrote:
On April 07 2012 00:14 era wrote:
EBWOP: BlueyD you seem to know the profile of a blue and how to read for them? Maybe you already knew he was a blue before he got killed?
WAIT before i go i just noticed this gem.
i find this funny, it really looks to me that era is trying very very hard to make blueyd seem suspicious. just look.
I'm not sure what is worse, the constant WIFOM, the fact that blues are generally classified as holding back to avoid drawing attention to themselves, or my personal favorite, that you cant know who a blue if even if you are mafia(you have just as good a shot at guessing if you are town)
Era seems to be trying sooo hard to get blueyd lynched. even if it doesnt quite make sense and is entirely WIFOM. At this point, if era is scum, blueyD isnt, at least in my mind. tomorrow i'm going to see if that makes sense the other way around.
As Nova points out, the scum cannot know who is blue. So era is either missing this somehow or purposely misleading us (from Nova). This seems like he is either just clueless or a bad mafia. I am leaning clueless.
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And the lack of posting, no just really busy on Friday and the weekends because my schedule includes more than school.
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vote count!
Era: Nova, blueyD, lazinCajun
BlueyD: bocki, therapist, era, gossamer
Currently, blueyD will be lynched!
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On April 08 2012 04:08 Bocki wrote:
Gosse didnt say anything for 23 hours...
Sry... overlooked his vote... ignore this
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On April 08 2012 03:23 era wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 02:53 Nova_Terra wrote:On April 08 2012 01:30 era wrote:On April 08 2012 01:18 LazinCajun wrote:On April 08 2012 01:11 era wrote:On April 08 2012 00:03 BlueyD wrote:
Aye, time to put out a vote.
My case against Gossemerr hasn't gotten any better, and standards are higher on day 2 than on day 1. What I have is insufficient for me to vote for him.
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Bocki's defense against my lastest attack is decent, though no more. What he says (didn't post his case because he thought it was a bit weak, wanted it to be stronger before he did and got rushed into it) is plausible. His vote for me feels a bit like an OMGUS, but it does seem plausible that I would have been his best read already, with the whole Gossemerr thing I seem to be the only one to be getting.
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era's play is maddeningly unchanging. He's tunneling, short-posting and WIFOMing all over the place, even after people have pointed it out. The only question is: Horrible townie, or horrible mafia? It is my opinion that a horrible town would at least learn to be less awful after a few days, and actually help the town in some way. This guy hasn't. The one insight he got (and I have difficulty thinking it was really his), he actually dismissed.
##Vote:era
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I want to congratulate LazinCajun for posting a very convincing connection case. I took a quick look at therapist and era's filters and in my opinion it support the case as well. I'll do a deeper analysis if era turns up scum. Really, you find a connection case that's based on me and therapist posting 3 minutes apart convincing? Lazin himself says that we posted 40 minutes before the deadline which is when everyone would usually be on and voting. Why are you trying to use Lazins "convincing" case to try to get me lynched? I think you are panicking because you are scum. Oh man. Almost none of his reasoning is based on my post, but rather your posting. You're not defending what he was accusing you of. Theres not much to defend, i do post a lot of WIFOM trying not to do that as much. Blueyd asks if im a horrible townie or a horrible mafia? I am obviously a bad townie, this is my first game, Im sure I will player better in my next game. Also it might seem like i am tunneling BlueyD but hes the most suspicious in my book, I am trying to find mafia not accuse 5 different people. Sure, in this case there might not be much to defend, but once again everything i said earlier stands. you cant get out of it with an i'm new excuse. You have not adequately defended any of that, nor have you started posting content after. Therefore, my vote on you stands. I think you are more likely to be mafia than bluey simply because he tries to defend himself adequately and does post his own non-wifom analysis. we get information either way, i guess, but still, i feel that era is the best lynch. Your main accusation is that i use WIFOM, which is your accusation for almost everyone, it seems like thats the only analysis you ever bring to the table. WIFOM is not always bad and can be useful. I do agree that I use it too much I dont know how you want me to defend myself? I also posted about blueyD which somewhat got ignored, which is not WIFOM. "Gossemerr, I'm being attacked for making jokes now, really? I'll tell you, there's two reasons I'm making jokes. First... it's fun! Second... I wanted to see who jumped on them to try to make a case look better than it is. Grats, you did." I don't think that his jokes is just flavor. He makes jokes because he wants people to accuse him? Why would he want this? Its a total waste of time and makes no sense if hes a townie. If he is scum it allows him to discredit accusations and gain town favor while doing it. Ill admit its a risky strategy for a mafia since hes putting attention on him. I still find him suspicious. Lastly Nova is always defending blueyd, so much that sometimes blueyd doesnt even have to defend himself he can just sit back and relax. Why are you so keen on defending blueyd?
Really? all it is is that you use WIFOM?
OR maybe that its 1. you make lots of really short posts with no content
2. you seem to OMGUS when i call you out on it
3. When you actually seem to produce "content" its just WIFOM
4. you respond to me saying these things with more 1 liners, bad defenses, accusations against other people, etc
5. you continue to not produce content without wifom after being told to many many times, and we know you have the time to
And you discredit my cases vs you by saying that its just me saying you use WIFOM. I already commented on you saying WIFOM is not always bad an can be useful. Also, i pointed that small non wifom contribution you made out in an earlier post and added my thoughts to it, bringing it up again seems like you are trying to take even more credit for it.
I'm always defending blueyD? didnt i just say that i am suspicious of him? defensive reaction, i think. Anyways, the reason why i'm not going as hard on him, as i said before, is that you are more suspicious because you dont actually TRY to come up with some useful analysis that isnt wifom. aside from that 1 point you made. By keen to defend blueyD, its more like keen to want to out a more scummy player, in you.
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Okay, I'm going to be honest: I don't have a solid read on anyone after reading the entire thread. BlueyD is at least posting content and is logical. I still think he is suspicious but his defense is pretty good, minus the joke defense. I feel like Blocki, therapist, lazin, and era are on the same level of content after Nova and BlueyD (imo I am somewhere in the middle of the pacts). era is still pounding the joke thing, after I felt like I had said enough on that matter. I don't want to lose the contribution of BlueyD for now until I can prove with more persuasion that he is scum.
##Unvote: BlueyD
##Vote: era
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Gossemerr, do you find era or BlueyD more suspicious? I think we need to lynch based on our highest suspicion today, and your last post makes it seem like you just dont want to kill a contributor...
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Okay, right now, it's era thats gonna be lynched. I will stay with my vote on BlueyD because I am still unsure which one of them is guilty. We will see in about 2 hours.
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