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On April 01 2012 18:41 syllogism wrote: Show nested quote + On April 01 2012 16:49 Bill Murray wrote: I can move up to 3 spaces, and when I do, if anyone in the lines I'm moving are scum, I can't move. I moved on a line with VE (he's not scum), and had to go through snarf (he's not scum) The position chart indicates you started next to snarf; can you verify that your power clears him too? This seems like a typical bm day 1 claim so there is little reason to doubt you other than the fact the power seems very strong. The mod told me it cleared snarf and VE It's a one time use I'm a townie from now on I could have used it to potentially clear more people, but if there were any scum I wouldn't make my jump, so I didn't want to risk doing 3 lines. I was content with 2 people. If one was scum, we have a 50/50 lynch snarfs and VE AREN'T scum. | ||
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I swing and latch onto a player if there are no scum in my way, I will be propelled one space I chose to latch onto VE I swung to his line, I had to progress THROUGH snarfs, at which point both checked to see if they were town or scum if scum, I wouldnt move (either of them, and I wouldn't know, other than 1 of them is) if town, I'd moved I moved; they're town | ||
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why would mafia do that? /wifom I considered latching onto Tobon, but that would have meant it'd check like 5 people, and I didn't want to risk there not being 20% likely scum (1/4 are scum, so 5 would be dumb) 2 seemed pretty safe, and lo and behold, I was right we have 3 clear town in my eyes | ||
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that was so anti town, if we wanted to go with the palmar/wiggles pushing plan why would you waste that? I need to read the thread, and I have a friend over, so I will be doing it in a minute... I was skimming. | ||
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On April 01 2012 14:22 Bill Murray wrote: Zentor is very protown, but it's hard to really get anything alignment breaking out of it on the first page, pardon my triple posting BM, mind explaining why zentor is very protown?[/QUOTE] sure, hold on | ||
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On April 01 2012 13:37 wherebugsgo wrote: hi I'm a good toy. Any questions? On April 01 2012 13:39 MrZentor wrote: Are you going to be as awesomely trollful as usual? To me, even from the getgo, he felt like a "trolling blue" It's the first line from him, though, so I don't want to suffer from CB, so I'll just wait him out. On April 01 2012 13:57 MrZentor wrote: Show nested quote + On April 01 2012 13:44 Mattchew wrote: also, we should pop palmar to the blue item and then pull him back to safety. with syllogism and VE here it shouldn't be too hard to tell if he is a good toy or bad. bedtime gn If we do that, we need to make sure it's really well planned out. We need to know who is going to vote for Palmar, so two people don't accidentally vote at the same time and push him over the edge. this is a very protown post On April 01 2012 20:52 Dirkzor wrote: Weird claim by BM. Believing it would make myself or Zentor scum i guess? So lets kill zentor? =) @dirkzor How is this? on the bolded, what? on the italicized, can you explain what the word bussing means, dirkzor? I have to post this I have a new suspect, and potentially two caught here | ||
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i moved towards the fire only because i could limit the people i checked that way, to get a good 50:50 town/scum trade if one was scum neither were scum it's like 2 detective checks on the first day, it's not that bad at all flip me if you don't believe me | ||
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I like his story adding up, even if I know role=/=alignment I'm going to go with this ##pull: palmar | ||
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VE do you want to be pushed to get the item? | ||
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VE is confirmed town to me | ||
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On April 02 2012 10:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know if I want to save Palmar yet...he hasn't really done much in the way of scumhunting and he's certainly not contributing in any other way. I'm actually cool with him being where he's at if he intends to keep up this quality of play. ^^ I disagree with this He has confirmed his role What more can you do as town? That's why I'm willing to die for my claim. | ||
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Me creating myself as a townie? Oh well, I'm looking to scumhunt anyways. Creating 2 town in the process if I get mislynched or killed is gravy on the potatoes. | ||
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On April 02 2012 11:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2012 11:07 Bill Murray wrote: VE I understand what you're doing, but everyone has a role this game Me creating myself as a townie? Oh well, I'm looking to scumhunt anyways. Creating 2 town in the process if I get mislynched or killed is gravy on the potatoes. Got any leads you want to discuss rather than try and alter my playstyle? How do you feel about a Bluelightz lynch? Who else is pinging the ol' scumdar? bluelightz looked really bad, but i'm not worried about him in the slightest | ||
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at least I have provided WBG with a townread on VE and snarfs, because I know he believes me | ||
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On April 02 2012 15:49 syllogism wrote: Also I'm reconsidering whether I believe BM's claim. He says he can move up to 3 spots up or down on the belt... rungs if you will, yes. and thus potentially day dt check 5 people possibly more, i didn't check the maximum number, because that would be inefficient if someone was scum and prevented me from moving anywhere. It seems like a way too powerful ability with huge variance. it does have a huge variance, and it is a powerful ability, as it can be used like a daytime cop ability. it is one time use, however, so i am essentially a vanilla townie now He also claims he had to "go through snarf", snarf was to the left of me, which would logically be the way it would be going upwards to latch onto VE, whereas if i went right, or down, I wouldn't check snarf, no when in reality he started next to him, which seems like an inconsistency in the claim. it's not an inconsistency. Look at how you write on a piece of paper. Then he proceeds to claim that it's a one-time use ability, It is a one time use ability. thus providing an explanation for the possibility that he won't get killed or roleblocked later on. I won't get roleblocked later on, but if scum are smart, they will still look to kill me. I am also fine with dying, as it will clear 2 town in snarf and VE. I'm not sure what his motivation for moving is if he is scum, but I can imagine a number of possibilities for a role that, as he says, "latches on to" another player. and I can imagine a giant spaghetti monster, but that doesn't mean it exists. my responses italicized | ||
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if he used it the other way, it would be a false positive, as there is only 1 person on the rung above him, and syllogism wouldn't count (he's to the right, and therefore counts upwards, i believe) | ||
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On April 04 2012 07:41 wherebugsgo wrote: *with BM's roleclaim Apologies, on my phone and it took forever to type that all twice THAT WAS A PHONE POST? Bravo Nominated for best phonepost ever. I'm trying to find where I need to be reading from, guys. | ||
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On April 03 2012 14:59 syllogism wrote: And I've made it quite clear why it is unlikely for BM's role to be in the game, and thus he is lying, especially if risk's more believable came is true this post is pretty relevant | ||
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On April 03 2012 15:49 syllogism wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2012 15:03 wherebugsgo wrote: On April 03 2012 14:58 syllogism wrote: On April 03 2012 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote: in addition, you haven't explained why you were against random/free for all PoPing but you were the only one who decided to push BM. Indeed, you didn't even bother convincing anyone to push BM and were generally apathetic all day to town affairs. Why is it that you were against random/free for all PoPing early in the day, but chose to push someone who clearly was not supported by anyone else as a target (BM)? Because I had only little time and no one was actually willing to discuss who they would be willing to push? Only VE answered my inquiries, while the others were just talking about irrelevant things. As I pointed out very early, the "lynch" deadline is about 7+ hours too late for me. you certainly didn't seem to want to put any effort in trying to discuss those subjects. Indeed your justification for BM's roleclaim being weak was refuted by VE himself, if I remember correctly. And no, it wasn't refuted by VE; in fact, I convinced him. It can not be "refuted" by anyone other than Ace and it's quite suspicious that few people are agreeing with me given that the logic behind my skepticism is sound. Now that I think about it, BM said he latched on to VE, so it's possible that he is responsible for getting VE killed. correlation=/=causation get your facts straight | ||
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On April 03 2012 17:36 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2012 15:47 syllogism wrote: On April 03 2012 15:01 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm not misinterpreting anything you said. You didn't really consider at all that Cephiro could be scum; you took one thing he said and claimed it made him look town, and based on that one piece of evidence decided that Sbrabbles was the scum. From your perspective I think it would have taken a little bit more work than that to determine which player to pull. Indeed, you didn't justify your pull on Sbrabbles beyond that. It seemed like you didn't think about it very much, which is rather odd since PoPs are final. Are you scum wbg? Why do you attempt to know what thought process went into my decision? Why don't you find it odd that many people used/wasted their PoPs very early and attempt to make it look like me using my own PoPs at pretty much the last possible moment, given my local time, is suspicious? I made the reasonable assumption that risk is indeed the dt role he claims to be, as it's a very risky fake claim to do on day 1, especially with the possibility of the "real one" being out there. That left me with two targets for my pull and out of those sbrabbles was the obvious choice given that some of the things cephiro had posted looked town to me. My first thought was that scum had a hidden push power. You seem to have jumped to a more complex conclusion than that. ....no. | ||
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On April 04 2012 14:38 Snarfs wrote: Show nested quote + On April 04 2012 14:35 Cephiro wrote: On April 04 2012 14:33 prplhz wrote: Okay why is nobody talking about confirmed scum Bluelightz? I say we all pull him. I'm not opposed to killing Tobon either but I don't think he's as safe as Bluelightz and syllogism. Of syllogism and Cephiro I'm up for killing syllogism first. I don't like the weird Cephiro-item plan, similar plan went horribly wrong yesterday and we don't know what other powers that scum might have. Lets just pull Bluelightz and push syllogism. Other than that, I think that the lights-out scum ability was not only to cause chaos in conjunction with Bluelightz role (I imagine we could see the potentially booby trapped positions if there were lights?), but also to make risk.nuke's DT ability useless for today. I still believe in risk.nuke's role claim. How is Bluelightz confirmed scum? I believe prplhz is referring to this: Show nested quote + On April 04 2012 03:01 prplhz wrote: I really doubt that Bluelightz is scum. I didn't think so before the claim and his outbursts in face of the scrutiny he was under during his absence seem genuine and townlike. Furthermore, that claim doesn't do him any good since he's claiming a scum role, the only thing the claim actually does is make sure that he can never use his power without getting lynched so the claim makes little sense from scum perspective. I just can't get over why Ace and Kurumi would give a scum role to a townie but as long as it isn't overpowered then I don't care. I disagree with this. How is it different from a mad hatter? It's a version of a vig, and with him getting some knowledge of it, it fits with the flavor in my eyes. I don't feel like Bluelightz is any more likely to be scum with his claim. | ||
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On April 04 2012 15:00 Cephiro wrote: Show nested quote + On April 04 2012 14:55 prplhz wrote: Cephiro, yes, you are tunneling. I don't really care if you're tunneling town (me) or scum (syllogism), it's still annoying for town and I'm not really worried about scum using a power to get you killed. 1. If you read my filter, you can see I am "tunneling" on cascades and Mattchew as well. I am sorry, I must have misunderstood what tunnelling means, all this time I've been thinking it is senseless accusing of one certain person only. Care to clarify this for me? 2. If you are town, why would you NOT CARE if someone is tunneling in your opinion, as it can be harmful for town? If you think I am town, why are you not worried about scum using a power to kill me? in response to 2, it can be bad in LYLO if a green townie spotlights, and won't come off of a vote, but when they do it on the actual scumteam, with good logic, that is a beautiful sight to see. | ||
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On April 04 2012 15:32 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm actually curious to see what other players say first. There is plenty of time in the day and there's no rush. I'd like to use time to get more reads, rather than idly talk about things we've already been talking about. risk.nuke, layabout, Wiggles, Mattchew, and Bill Murray: I want you to do the bulk of the talking. Go. Tell us what you would like to do right now and who you would like to kill. Syllogism - I want to test Cephiro's hard-softclaim. He isn't outright claiming any investigative ability, whether, if he has it or not, it is multiple or single use, or anything, but his softclaim was as close to a guilty claim as I have seen in a long time. I don't want to not test that. PRP - Like syllo, I feel like his interactions with WBG, and the way he responded to the Cephiro ordeal, is pretty damning. I am willing to lynch him off of associative tells, but I'd like to flip syllo first. Tobon - Though he has been looking better, with his defense being "noone has made a case on me, therefore I can't be scum", and all the flak he has gotten, he has my eyebrows raised. Bluelightz - I really wouldn't mind losing him, even if he is town. He is not a VI, I don't think, so I feel like he is playing dumb as scum. I am not sure, however, that he isn't a little kid that wanders, lost, into the middle of the movie theatre... but with an AK. | ||
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If your interaction with syllo wasn't completely 100% scummy, I would feel like you were town WBG. I do have a leaned townread on you, but it's not 100% like I felt about Palmar, because you could potentially be throwing syllogism under the bus. I only say this because your questioning of him felt too good, to where it looked like an act. If you're really that good, and that was the building up, and prelude of a great case, bravo. We haven't been using our PoPs correctly. Now, I'm not a dictator, as I'm not confirmed or anything like an innocent child (definitely not bluelightz lol), so I'm not going to boss people around in a "Soviet Russia make you push or pull like want" way, only sort of. We need to hold people accountable, loosen up, and ask people questions. Scum will eventually become illogical... it wears on you being scum. Here's to hoping so, at least. reasons you should believe I'm town: 1) I actually want our next course of action to be to consolidate pushes or pulls around what Snarf wants to do, but I know the thread won't go for it, and would lash out against me, so I'm not touching it with a ten-foot-pole. 2) proposing someone else leads versus myself... kind of having second thoughts on that, though 3) personal meta of lack of night posting, whereas, as scum, i'd post in the night /wifom Honestly, though, I can't really be sure snarfs is town... 1) Godfather 2) I could be naive 4) I could be ... no, VE flipped town... I can't be insane... not in the game at least :D ...A role changing ability, or busdriver only the first two are valid, where my ability was day use However, I feel comfortable leading myself, if you all aren't satisfied listening to Snarfs. I'm not saying to not scumhunt, and to turn into sheep. I'm just saying that people are really looking to be prone to wasting their pushes and pulls without any sense of order, which allows for scum to blend in, and that should be our first mission as a town to prevent | ||
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On April 05 2012 02:56 wherebugsgo wrote: There was a day roleblock on Palmar yesterday; what's to say that they can't use it again? Or the freeze power? the number of kills last night, unless we have an S.K. | ||
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On April 04 2012 23:09 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On April 04 2012 22:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Has anybody claimed the kill on Palmar or Shrubbles yet? This is important to me. If you shot one of Palmar/Shrubbles, and haven't claimed yet, please do so. I won't be mad. I promise. Hi guys, I'm mafia fishing for a vigilante so I can shoot him tonight, but I won't be mad. I promise!!! What? On April 04 2012 23:25 Bluelightz wrote: Nice catch Acro..... ...what? I don't see it. You two are grasping at straws + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2012 01:18 Cephiro wrote: Going to filter quotes to try and reduce the wall of text that is going to happen. My 5 scumreads: syllogism, prplhz, cascades, Acrofales, Mattchew + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 16:35 Acrofales wrote: Good morning. Had a quick glance through the thread and I am quite opposed to Cephiro's plan. I just don't trust the guy. If we believe risk.nuke's claim (and I still do) that means either Cephiro or Syllo is scum. Atm I'm leaning slightly to Syllo, but just plain statistics say we shouldn't bet on Cephiro. Pretty much everybody else has better chances of not being scum, so until Syllo is dead and confirmed red, I am not cooperating with anything Cephiro proposes. Gonna read the rest of the thread now. I understand it's dark (and full of terrors). I can obviously get behind the bluelightz pulling. I have to get to work, but when I get there I'll read the thread more carefully and decide what to do (probably pull bluelightz). God you are flip-flopping fast. Do you want to know why I find this hilarious? Out of everyone in the game, only the ones that are in the 5 people i suspect to be scum have gone out and made a case on me. Are you actually that afraid of me, or are you trying to make me look bad by trying to make me look like I'm just OMGUSing? + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 16:53 Acrofales wrote: Let me phrase that a bit better: we have to take into account the very real possibility that Cephiro is scum. If he's scum and we send him up there he gets: 1. An item 2. To activate whatever dastardly ability he has that requires him to be in the incineration zone (if I let my imagination run wild I can think of quite a few rather nasty ones, such as increase the size of the incineration zone). Because it's dark, we won't even know what he's doing until it's too late. If he's town and we send him up there we get: 1. An item 2. To fulfill his masterplan of which we do not even know the rewards. Cephiro said that it helps town and probably gets Syllo killed. While I like the town rewards and could probably get behind a Syllo kill, the rewards for scum are unknown, but probably better. Given the, lets say 40% chance that Cephiro is scum, the risk is just way too high. As said earlier, my plan is way in favour of town. The worst case scenario for town is that I die before we get to use the item, and my death will confirm syllo as scum, so 1:1 trade. Best case scenario, I survive and deliver you 2 scum kills. Or are you actually proposing that after seeing a nullify ability & darkness ability, that I could be some some sort of godlike superscum and get half the town killed by going into the incineration zone? A sacrifical mechanic would be far more likely than that. + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 16:56 Acrofales wrote: So, Cephiro: will your plan have any other benefits than killing Syllo (which we really don't need your masterplan for) and getting you the item (which I don't really want to do at this point)? Read what I said, I did actually bring this up earlier as well but you clearly chose to ignore it. + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 19:09 Dirkzor wrote: I think Cephiro's plan suck. Any plan we made yesterday was fucked and it will be the same today. (and the item is not even in the equation as the item suck. Its like a shiny objects that people really can't wait to dig up but it always turn out just be the opener from a soda can.) I would like people to push Syllo. The fact that scum killed Palmar/Sbrubbles (or one of them) and not syllo is disturbing. Palmar had done shit all so killing him over Syllo makes no sense. I'm assuming Sbrubbles was a town hit becase the only reason I see scum killing Sbrubbles is if Syllo is indeed town. Risk's claim was/i believable even when poorly executed by him. Mattchew is just a oneliner machine who follows whatever crazy plan anyone cooks up to appear to be helping town. If you haven't read, you will not need to save me out of the incineration area, which means you will be able to use your pulls to insta-kill someone by pulling them all the way down. Why would you push syllo, when you can push me and achieve the same? Or would you rather see syllo have the item? I can understand if you wanted to pull him, by pushing him especially after I've told my plan is just.... retarded. Also, agreed on Mattchew. For the love of god though, please read syllogism's filter and show me that he's been even trying to scumhunt. He hasn't done anything valuable for the town yet. + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 19:32 Acrofales wrote: Okay, I have read through the thread. The day lasts 48 hours. Why all the rush with pulling Bluelightz? I thought we agreed after yesterday to not spend our PoPs so hastily? I think Bluelightz is almost certainly scum, but I am far more interested in getting the whole Syllo/Cephiro/risk.nuke mess sorted out. Can we wait with the bluelightz pulls until we've figured out a plan for that? I'm still waiting for Cephiro to come up with a better explanation of why his plan benefits town (and as I explain below I am now actually very suspicious of him). Instead of his plan, I propose both Cephiro and Syllo get pulled off the bottom just to be sure. A 1:1 trade is generally good for town and the only chance it's not a 1:1 trade is if risk.nuke was lying, in which case he gets lynched tomorrow. I have gone over Syllo and Cephiro's filter with a comb. Lets start with Cephiro: I find his assertions of why his plan is townie increasingly scummy the more I look at them. He has a LOT of filler asserting that he's town and we should listen to him. Do I need to refer to the OP of jubjub mafia about why this is completely pointless posting? You can't prove your town by asserting it and the increased repetition is just making me suspicious: who are you trying to convince with this? You get in a bitch fight with Syllo, which serves NOBODY. We are all almost certain that one, or both of you are scum and you two squabbling over it is completely useless and just clogs up the thread. On to his reason for not revealing any details of the plan: Show nested quote + On April 04 2012 14:24 Cephiro wrote: If I provide my full role and plan, then it is very likely to backfire. However, if we have enough townies to co-ordinate to do it swiftly, then I will do that if that's an absolute must. It's for the best of town if I do not, and I would claim right after. Okay, nobody wants the details of HOW it works, just WHAT it does and why that benefits more than just pushing Syllo (or actually, both of you) off the cliff. Your reluctance to say anything other than "it benefits town and will get Syllo dead" is not making me like your plan at all. Next, I don't understand how he is not afraid of the nullify thingy that got Palmar stuck up there and his explanation of why not seems extremely dubious: Show nested quote + On April 04 2012 13:41 Cephiro wrote: Also, what do you others think about the nullify abillity? I have my reasons to believe it is very limited, at most 2-shot, most likely oneshot. If anyone can tell something about queue positions, you should come forth with the information as well, as I cannot see town getting hurt more than having a benefit of it. Pray tell us your "reasons to believe", oh enlightened one! Is it because it's a scum ability and this is a scumslip? He also seems in an incredible rush to get this to happen before people have time to think it through. In fact, the one redeeming quality is that, if he's scum, I would've expected other mafia to get this bandwagon going, but that's too much wifom for me. On to Syllo: yesterday I thought Sbrubbles was more likely to be scum than Syllo, but things have changed. Taken without what seems to be a serious scumslip by Cephiro, I would almost certainly label Syllo scum now that Sbrubbles flipped town. If we ignore, as he asks us to, his timing on the D1 PoPs, he has contributed a grand total of nothing to this thread. Some speculation on BM's roleclaim is the grand total of his scumhunting. Everything else is filler: he shows presence without actually doing anything useful. He has a somewhat useful dialogue with WBG, but it is only about why he isn't scum, no real contribution at all. Additionally, the same accusation of a giant bitchfight with Cephiro can be leveled at him: useless filler to pad his filter. My opinion: we pull both of them off the cliff to ensure no mistakes. A 1:1 trade is good for town and, given their postings, we might even have two mafia here. First, the point about me somewhat constantly saying I am town. I don't see what's wrong with that. I know I am town and I have no reason to hide it either. Would you rather have me type in conditional every single time? There is no point for me to speculate that I could be scum in every message of mine as I know I am town, and you know it too. So you don't want a roleclaim but you still want to know what my ability does? Well, I'll make it simple for you. It gets scum killed. You also blame me for cluttering the thread up with syllo. Sure, that may be slightly true, but if that's the only way I'm going to convince you guys of getting syllo killed, then so be it. I'm here to kill scum, not to play diplomatics. Also I found it hilarious how you use the same arguments on me as syllogism did. You both keep pointing out how I am not afraid of being nullified, and trying to find out why. Why would you try to find out the reason unless you were scum trying to stop me? You couldn't be much more obvious. Especially since you all use the same poor arguments on me. + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 20:15 syllogism wrote: It doesn't seem possible to even kill ceph today as assuming the nullifying power can be used more than once, scum will just nullify him after we've wasted PoPs on him. Even if they can't do that, he may not be lying about having some sort of power that allows him to switch places in the queue. Look at this gem of a post by syllogism. His only post when he checks the thread is about trying to place suspicion on me. I repeat, he has not and is clearly not going to do anything useful for the town. Is it that hard for you all to see that he hasn't been scumhunting at all? + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 20:16 cascades wrote: Cephiro you complain about Syllo speculating about mafia powers that might need pop to activate, then you go ahead and speculate that its unlikely there's no mafia framer? More importantly, you also softclaim that implies syllo is mod confirmed red. You backed out of it after people called you out, since you still need to have powers to get yourself out of incineration somehow. Doesn't excuse the scummy softclaim. I am really curious about the plan now. I want to hear it. You have to justify better before we help you. There's a chance you scum in our eyes. You've heard the plan and all there is to it. Do you have a reason to believe there is a mafia framer then? Also, you claim that I complained about syllo's speculation about scum powers that may need PoP to activate. This is false however, as I was only asking him questions to specify what he means. Why are you trying to make it look bad for me? + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 22:20 prplhz wrote: No one is disputing your claim, no one ever did. If you read the OP you'd see that everybody in this game has a role, it's in game mechanic 10; everybody is going to flip "blue" (or green as people actually just flip). You were told repeatedly not to use an ability because it was scum favored and then you go ahead and do it anyway. If you're town this is by far the worst performance I have ever seen from a townie. I'm getting a feeling that you're actually town, you're just not reading the thread, and relying solely on having an ability to confirm that you're town, but none of this matters. After what you did, town has to kill you. Let me restate the very clear case on Bluelightz:
Prp wants to get bluelightz killed even though he thinks that he may very well be town. I do not see why a townie would want to kill another townie, unless it would confirm a scum. However, if bluelightz flips town, it will not give us much of a clue towards who is scum. I'm also starting to get annoyed by how everyone claims Bluelightz ability to be scum favoured. Sure, under the circumstances it might be (due to the darkness ability being used), but a skilled town in normal circumstances should easily be able to use it in their favour. I am in no way defending bluelightz however. In my opinion his play so far has been quite lackluster, and isn't contributing the town enough. But there are many others that are so obvious scum that I see no reason to kill bluelightz over them. + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 23:05 Acrofales wrote: In addition to being like 90% certainly scum, you have a problem reading conditionals? I state both possible cases. You're either scum, or a townie who might as well be scum for all the help you're giving them. Brb, I'm grabbing my pitchfork (although a torch would be more appropriate, given the circumstances). While I'm at it, if you are serious about the positions of your bombs, might I point out that position 24 is a COMPLETELY USELESS place to put a bomb, regardless of alignment? Anybody who is on position 24 at the end of the day gets incinerated. All you achieve is that now they (maybe) get blown up, in addition to getting incinerated. Whoop-de-doop. Didn't you say your ability was intended to cost us LESS PoPs to kill people? Acrofales casting further suspicion on Bluelightz, as if he finds the need to ensure that Blue dies tonight. I would like to point out that anyone that actually concentrates on reading the thread would know that Blue doesn't pick those three positions but are randomly chosen by the mods. Acrofales seems to be content with ignoring this fact and blaming Bluelightz for it. @Cephiro You say "everyone is calling bluelightz ability scumfavored", when I totally did not. I'd like for you to note that. Filter me, if you'd like. Thanks. On April 05 2012 01:34 wherebugsgo wrote: There is one big thing I disagree with, though. First of all, Bluelightz's role might not necessarily be scum-favored in itself but definitely his use of it (or his choice to use it at all) is incredibly scummy. Why would town choose to use an ability that places bombs at random locations on the map? It could very well cause multiple people to die unexpectedly because they start the day on a trapped position, or are moved into a trapped position by scum. As town you want to facilitate order and hunt scum in an organized way, because this game is about a race against the clock. The mafia need to kill us faster than we can find and kill them. Bluelightz used his role in a way that would hamper our effort and accelerate the effort of mafia, since his role causes disruption and death at random. If I were town and I had his role there would be no way I would ever use it. I don't know if we'll be able to control who dies today, because the bomb could have been placed on a square with a townie (or who knows, TWO townies) who will not get moved. wow wbg just scumslipped check out my bolded if i were town... sure, there is an and, but that is funny ass word choice | ||
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my pull is on someone I know is either town or godfather, basically, if there even is one | ||
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April 05 2012 05:47 GMT
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On April 05 2012 11:56 Mattchew wrote: Here are my thoughts. Cephiro is 100% town in my eyes. I do disagree with him about syllo and acro. I get scum vibes from prp and cascades for sure though. I hate trying to figure out bluelightz. In all honesty he is a permanent null read because he seems to always be scum's go to townie lynch. Bill Murray is scum IMO. Tobon is probably scum anyone have any clue as to what the conveyor belt thing looks like after todays actions so far? I'd like to see you actually try to make a case | ||
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April 05 2012 05:50 GMT
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April 05 2012 22:25 GMT
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April 05 2012 22:26 GMT
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I feel like it is making me see WBG as scum, and Bluelightz as town, if he is. | ||
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April 05 2012 22:28 GMT
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On April 06 2012 06:21 wherebugsgo wrote: Pull Bluelightz and kill him please. Every time he comes into the thread he says scummy shit and never actually offers town anything. He wants to leave it up to chance whether or not he uses his role tonight after we've all told him he's retarded for using it in the first place. He's obsessed with having his role confirmed when no one cares about his role but rather the fact that he chose to use it at all! Sure, he could very well be the worst townies in existence, but we'll never know till he dies and he's going to wreck town discussion till then because he does nothing but bitch, moan, and act stupid. Just kill him. check the bolded, for instance WBG admitted bluelightz is town yet again the funny thing is, what he's doing is pretty pro-town it seems, but I set this trap days ago, and he just fell in. It's really funny that I already saw a slip from him, but he just fell to one of my traps I pushed what he just said in the bolded. I pushed a policy lynch on BL to see if scum would bite on it on that policy. He just bit. I'm happy with my push on WBG, I can't take into account what Palmar may or may not have done, for instance. I can only play to what I know of the mechanics when the lights are off. WBG is scum | ||
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April 07 2012 01:39 GMT
#1337
On April 06 2012 13:35 Snarfs wrote: Although, if I'm reading this right, Bluelightz and Bill Murray saved prplhz and I. Thanks guys! On April 06 2012 13:42 Snarfs wrote: Kill in this order tomorrow: syllogism, Bluelightz, Mr. Wiggles, Mattchew, Bill Murray. That is my recommendation. Good night! I save you, then you put me on your lynch list? You think I'd have saved your ass if I was mafia? I have an innocent on you. Are you reading this game, snarfs? | ||
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April 07 2012 01:42 GMT
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On April 07 2012 00:24 Tobon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2012 00:11 Dirkzor wrote: Do you guys think there are any specific reason he swapped with layabout (and thus killing him) besides that layabout was in the bottom? The not able to PoP limitation is in the description of layabout's role in DFM1, so it's possible that the scum team figured he was a good chance to be the town vig. Also -- completely unprovable and unnecessary speculation -- I think they didn't know that layabout was at the bottom. I think the Darkness power only being able to see 1 queue position next to him is likely still accurate (full vision would be incredibly powerful). Unfortunately, Syllo started the day next to Cephiro, so he could well be the Darkness toy, and therefore know exactly how many pushes to allow before some other scum nullified in the fire zone before the item. Can you rephrase this possibility? I'm a little not sure what you're saying | ||
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April 07 2012 21:18 GMT
#1381
On April 08 2012 02:44 prplhz wrote: Hey I've kinda randomly decided to claim because I don't think it's a good thing that people are afraid that I'm scum right now. Snarfs and I are town masons, we are mod confirmed to each other. Yes, mod confirmed, that was in our role PM so we are mod confirmed. Sorry for the absoluteness of this but that's just how it is. My breadcrumb was when I called Snarfs "mod confirmed townie" in the beginning of this game (not very subtle but I was feeling a bit lazy and I didn't expect that pesky wherebugsgo to go all crazy). Snarfs breadcrumb was when he wrote "prplhz is town" in capital letters in this post. He'll be in here to confirm it some time but you don't really have to wait for that to happen for us to be confirmed town. I'm going out and I won't be back until tomorrow. People need to talk about whether you pull MrZentor or Mr. Wiggles first, and if you are going to leave syllogism at 18 and then push somebody else or if you're pushing him over the edge. I say, leave him and push somebody else. You also need to talk about who you want to push. i remember u saying he was mod confirmed, as i have an inno on him, and i thought u were referring to believing my claim considering your interactions with snarfs, and how well you thought of me from that, i was confident in that interpretation i fully believe your claim. snarfs doesn't trust me, though, does he? | ||
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April 07 2012 21:19 GMT
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April 08 2012 04:42 GMT
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he has a pretty bad slip in relation to admitting cephiro is town and we need someone else in the red to use risk.nuke's ability it's him or snarfs, and my dt check came up with snarfs town, so ##push: mattchew risk nuke, use your ability now, please. thanks. | ||
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April 08 2012 05:54 GMT
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that helps the case on you! | ||
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April 08 2012 05:55 GMT
#1393
On April 08 2012 14:25 Mattchew wrote: Show nested quote + On April 08 2012 13:42 Bill Murray wrote: mattchew has been biding his time all game he has a pretty bad slip in relation to admitting cephiro is town and we need someone else in the red to use risk.nuke's ability it's him or snarfs, and my dt check came up with snarfs town, so ##push: mattchew risk nuke, use your ability now, please. thanks. this isn't scummy at all? wtf is this shit. my claim is essentially a 1 time cop claim cephiro has been softclaiming cop all game risk.nuke has a cop ability 3 cops in this size? no risk.nuke, use your ability, 2 people are in the red if you dont use it, we kill you if you use it, cephiro is scum | ||
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April 08 2012 05:56 GMT
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can a toy be insane? | ||
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April 08 2012 05:57 GMT
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ok. snarfs is town, or i am naive. | ||
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April 09 2012 03:28 GMT
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April 09 2012 03:30 GMT
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April 09 2012 03:33 GMT
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April 09 2012 03:41 GMT
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he gave all this speculation about having people above and below him in his post he also said he had to have at least 2 people in the red | ||
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April 09 2012 03:42 GMT
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if hes a cop why didnt he out his check when it went off, if it went off thanks snarf | ||
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April 09 2012 03:42 GMT
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April 09 2012 03:43 GMT
#1466
why wouldnt risk.nuke use his cop check he wants us to waste the pushes on him to get him in the red zone again we need to pull risk.nuke off the map he is likely 3rd party if there is one | ||
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April 09 2012 04:15 GMT
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the thing is, im not buying risk.nuke's claim whatsoever | ||
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April 09 2012 04:17 GMT
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April 09 2012 04:17 GMT
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April 09 2012 05:04 GMT
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April 09 2012 09:04 GMT
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April 09 2012 09:07 GMT
#1529
if we arent together on this then we wont be able to save me and fry syllogism if wiggles isnt kidding, that'd be hilarious, and would explain why the game is still going on seems like a joke though | ||
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April 09 2012 09:21 GMT
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someone playing too much league of legends? | ||
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April 10 2012 00:47 GMT
#1579
On April 10 2012 07:57 MrZentor wrote: Well, it was difficult for anybody to do anything in the darkness. this. I was just thinking about that day, and from a town perspective, it was very disruptive in knowing who to push. Town needed to honestly vote to lynch people this game... I saw a voting system proposed, but people were too focused on the item on d1, and less so on d2. It went from giving scum an easy time blending in d1, to not knowing who to push or pull on d2 in darkness, bluelightz boobytrapping random spots so you don't really want to move people around out of risk of them dying.. gah. frustrating. for some reason i figured cephiro was the only other town with a cop style ability i was honed in on syllogism, but i didn't think scum would be able to openly out like that, as i truly did find mattchew funny. I guess I'm being hypocritical on that note, because my play was really scummy and detrimental to the town. I shouldn't have used my ability at all to get two townchecks on d1, because with as many cops as we had, and Ace being the moderator, I had to question sanity. In hindsight, I'm pretty sure there would have been a notification if this was the case in that I've seen (in PyP) where the sanity of the DT was in question, and he actually gave a notification previously GG mafia, bad game for me, my towngame definitely needs work in not appearing so scummy. | ||
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April 10 2012 07:15 GMT
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