• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:59
CEST 12:59
KST 19:59
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent9Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues22LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris76
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon What happened to Singapore/Brazil servers? Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
The Korean Terminology Thread Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA) [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent FlaSh on ACS Winners being in ASL ASL20 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group B [ASL20] Ro16 Group A Is there English video for group selection for ASL BWCL Season 63 Announcement
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Iron Harvest: 1920+ Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Diablo IV S10 Infernal Tides Guide Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Collective Intelligence: Tea…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1189 users

Death Factory Mafia 2 - Page 4

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 05:50 GMT
#715
On April 03 2012 14:24 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
syllo chose to immediately believe risk.nuke's claim, but he didn't consider that Cephiro could be scum.

Which is demonstrably false and you know who I would have killed yesterday considering I used both of my actions. Why are you asking superfluous questions?


Of course you immediately believed risk's claim. You called Cephiro town very quickly:


On April 03 2012 04:30 syllogism wrote:
You misinterpreted the description, but in a manner that makes you look towny, so that leaves Sbrubbles

##pull Sbrubbles


and then chose to pull Sbrubbles without further ado. You didn't even mention risk's roleclaim.

The fact of the matter is that I find neither of them looks like scum. You look far more scummy than either of them.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 05:55 GMT
#716
in addition, you haven't explained why you were against random/free for all PoPing but you were the only one who decided to push BM. Indeed, you didn't even bother convincing anyone to push BM and were generally apathetic all day to town affairs.

Why is it that you were against random/free for all PoPing early in the day, but chose to push someone who clearly was not supported by anyone else as a target (BM)?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 06:01 GMT
#721
I'm not misinterpreting anything you said. You didn't really consider at all that Cephiro could be scum; you took one thing he said and claimed it made him look town, and based on that one piece of evidence decided that Sbrabbles was the scum. From your perspective I think it would have taken a little bit more work than that to determine which player to pull. Indeed, you didn't justify your pull on Sbrabbles beyond that. It seemed like you didn't think about it very much, which is rather odd since PoPs are final.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 06:03 GMT
#722
On April 03 2012 14:58 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
in addition, you haven't explained why you were against random/free for all PoPing but you were the only one who decided to push BM. Indeed, you didn't even bother convincing anyone to push BM and were generally apathetic all day to town affairs.

Why is it that you were against random/free for all PoPing early in the day, but chose to push someone who clearly was not supported by anyone else as a target (BM)?

Because I had only little time and no one was actually willing to discuss who they would be willing to push? Only VE answered my inquiries, while the others were just talking about irrelevant things. As I pointed out very early, the "lynch" deadline is about 7+ hours too late for me.


you certainly didn't seem to want to put any effort in trying to discuss those subjects.

Indeed your justification for BM's roleclaim being weak was refuted by VE himself, if I remember correctly.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 08:26 GMT
#726
On April 03 2012 15:49 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 15:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
On April 03 2012 14:58 syllogism wrote:
On April 03 2012 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
in addition, you haven't explained why you were against random/free for all PoPing but you were the only one who decided to push BM. Indeed, you didn't even bother convincing anyone to push BM and were generally apathetic all day to town affairs.

Why is it that you were against random/free for all PoPing early in the day, but chose to push someone who clearly was not supported by anyone else as a target (BM)?

Because I had only little time and no one was actually willing to discuss who they would be willing to push? Only VE answered my inquiries, while the others were just talking about irrelevant things. As I pointed out very early, the "lynch" deadline is about 7+ hours too late for me.


you certainly didn't seem to want to put any effort in trying to discuss those subjects.

Indeed your justification for BM's roleclaim being weak was refuted by VE himself, if I remember correctly.

And no, it wasn't refuted by VE; in fact, I convinced him. It can not be "refuted" by anyone other than Ace and it's quite suspicious that few people are agreeing with me given that the logic behind my skepticism is sound. Now that I think about it, BM said he latched on to VE, so it's possible that he is responsible for getting VE killed.


You know what: you're right. I didn't like the manner in which BM roleclaimed, and it's why I said we should ignore him. Perhaps I'm looking too much into you saying that we should be wary of free-for-all PoPing and perhaps I'm wrong about why you thought Cephiro was town as well. In retrospect I seem to recall that you have called people town for similar reasons before. I disagree that BM's roleclaim is implausible but I don't disagree that he could be scum. What Acrofales just said reminded me of that; it is very much a roleclaim that any scum could make (and so no, Acro, VE flipping town tells us nothing about BM's alignment because scum already know everyone's alignment)

This perhaps does mean Sbrabbles is scum (or risk.nuke; I can't see Cephiro being scum). I suppose we'll see tomorrow.

What do you think of prplhz? Of Palmar?

Speaking of Palmar, you around Palmar? What are your thoughts on the game and why have you not done anything useful? You pride yourself on your day 1 reads and yet your game presence is completely lacking.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 08:36 GMT
#727
On April 03 2012 15:47 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 15:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm not misinterpreting anything you said. You didn't really consider at all that Cephiro could be scum; you took one thing he said and claimed it made him look town, and based on that one piece of evidence decided that Sbrabbles was the scum. From your perspective I think it would have taken a little bit more work than that to determine which player to pull. Indeed, you didn't justify your pull on Sbrabbles beyond that. It seemed like you didn't think about it very much, which is rather odd since PoPs are final.

Are you scum wbg? Why do you attempt to know what thought process went into my decision? Why don't you find it odd that many people used/wasted their PoPs very early and attempt to make it look like me using my own PoPs at pretty much the last possible moment, given my local time, is suspicious? I made the reasonable assumption that risk is indeed the dt role he claims to be, as it's a very risky fake claim to do on day 1, especially with the possibility of the "real one" being out there. That left me with two targets for my pull and out of those sbrabbles was the obvious choice given that some of the things cephiro had posted looked town to me.


The idea that plenty of people used their PoPs early just to make you look bad is incredibly far-fetched. Either that or your phrasing here means something else (explain?)

What I was hung up on was why you accepted risk's roleclaim and how little time you spent in calling Cephiro town. On the other hand, you outright rejected BM's roleclaim, though for different reasons than I expected.

I would have done the same, but your reasoning did not make sense to me and that's what made me think you were scum.
To me, BM's roleclaim is less believable than risk's not because of balance concerns but because any mafia can call out two random players and call them both town. Risk's claim included at least one scum among 3, which is potentially verifiable. You chose to focus on the balance aspect, which if you think about it, make risk's and BM's roleclaims identical.

As for the speculation of how VE died, now you become suspicious again. Why assume it was BM who killed VE? Was there a role in the previous game that functioned that way? (if so, please say so) My first thought was that scum had a hidden push power. You seem to have jumped to a more complex conclusion than that.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 19:37 GMT
#762
Syllo, how many town reads do you have right now?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 19:57 GMT
#763
prpl you claimed Tobon looked bad but never actually furthered your argument on him. Care to explain why?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 21:29 GMT
#771
I currently have 0 qualms about killing Tobon.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 21:32 GMT
#774
No thanks, I don't explain stuff to scum. Especially not at night.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 21:40 GMT
#776
Who says I won't be explaining it later? There's still plenty of time left in this night.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 21:48 GMT
#780
Why 20 minutes, layabout?

I explain at the deadline.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 22:40 GMT
#785
On April 04 2012 06:48 layabout wrote:
Bugs give me all you got within the next 20 minutes!
Find the Mafia:
cephiro

syllo

sbrub


God damn, I just lost everything I was typing.

Long story short:

Syllo I think is most likely to be scum out of the three because he has avoided taking concrete positions and defending them. His push was very weak on BM (he wanted to see if there was approval, and I found that odd). Syllo doesn't look for approval when he searches for scum; he finds them and then asserts his opinion strongly. At no point did I actually think syllo truly believed that either BM or I were scum yesterday. Contrast his day 1 here to Storm and you'll see what I'm talking about.

In addition, he was fixated on the plausibility of BM's claim rather than whether or not it actually made him scum. If you apply even an ounce of critical thinking to the idea that BM's roleclaim is implausible because it could potentially confirm 5 townies, you run into the same problem with risk's roleclaim. So why then did syllo never question risk's roleclaim? Imagine risk activating his ability with one person on his slot and two both above and below, with the result being no scum there. Isn't that the same plausibility problem syllo brought up with risk.nuke's roleclaim?

Cephiro: I don't find him to be scummy at all. I found that he has reached many of the same conclusions I have, and for different and equally valid reasons as well. This is a good sign as a townie. He has also put in plenty of effort in trying to find scum, and has been very transparent throughout.

Sbrubbles: He is partly the reason I am unsure about syllo. Syllo pulled him after deeming Cephiro to be town, and if syllo is actually town then Sbrubbles is definitely the scum among the 3. However, based on what little he has posted, I can't fault him. His points were mostly valid (although the argument "we should kill syllo even if he is null" is rather odd, I didn't follow the logic) and the only reason people have called him scum is for his relative inactivity.



wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 03 2012 22:41 GMT
#786
*with BM's roleclaim

Apologies, on my phone and it took forever to type that all twice
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 04 2012 04:12 GMT
#799
son of a fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

let's kill Tobon and Bluelightz. I'm up for impulse pushing/pulling both of them rofl.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 04 2012 04:13 GMT
#800
oh sbrabbles died too? The hell?

Alright so we need to consider Cephiro and syllo as well.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 04 2012 04:25 GMT
#806
let's push Tobon and pull syllo lol

Cephiro why do you want the item?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 04 2012 04:40 GMT
#815
On April 04 2012 13:39 Snarfs wrote:
Why would scum kill Sbrubbles unless they want syllo to die? It doesn't make sense....


Scum couldn't have killed Sbrubbles, I don't think, unless they had a KP role. Scum KP is listed at 1.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 04 2012 05:00 GMT
#829
On April 04 2012 13:57 Cephiro wrote:
Nemesis, Snarfs, Tobon, wbg, I would already have 5 pushes if you all pushed me towards the lethal zone. Taking into account that stacks are likely, and that the flamethrower is probably bigger, I am fairly sure I should be able to at least get very close to the item if not reach it if you all pushed me.


What I'm wondering right now is whether it's better to trust you and push you toward the item or push someone I think is scum.

First of all, you aren't confirmed town until you die. (if syllo flips scum it's actually still remotely possible you're scum as well, though I find that extraordinarily unlikely). As syllo hasn't flipped yet, what I'd rather do is kill syllo first, then determine whether or not you're trustworthy.

Problem with this?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 04 2012 05:22 GMT
#850
Cephiro, if you provide full disclosure of your role and what you plan to do, and it seems plausible, I will probably push you toward the item. I'm not comfortable with not knowing what you're actually going to do; in this situation today I'd much rather kill you both than kill one and push the other toward the item.

The problem with that, of course, is that if risk fake claimed we're killing two townies.

Syllo, if you are actually town, you need to provide us with some reads. Ignore Cephiro, since you know we can kill more than one person today.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
10:05
Maestros of the Game Ro24 B
ByuN vs ZounLIVE!
Serral vs TBD
Ryung vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings145
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech83
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 25868
Shuttle 1923
Flash 1288
BeSt 604
Bisu 528
Larva 497
EffOrt 358
sSak 284
actioN 240
Light 157
[ Show more ]
Soma 154
Mini 150
Mong 135
Rush 115
Last 113
TY 111
Dewaltoss 99
zelot 78
hero 75
ToSsGirL 73
PianO 72
Mind 63
ZerO 59
Barracks 55
Backho 51
Liquid`Ret 44
Nal_rA 40
Movie 29
Sharp 16
Noble 16
sorry 15
yabsab 13
scan(afreeca) 12
Sacsri 12
HiyA 10
soO 9
Hm[arnc] 8
Shine 3
Dota 2
XaKoH 425
BananaSlamJamma239
Counter-Strike
olofmeister994
shoxiejesuss537
x6flipin359
allub33
Other Games
singsing1385
Happy286
crisheroes273
DeMusliM101
Mew2King42
B2W.Neo11
ZerO(Twitch)2
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 1224
Other Games
gamesdonequick778
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 22
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 38
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV297
League of Legends
• Jankos900
Upcoming Events
Kung Fu Cup
1h 1m
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
MaxPax vs Creator
TBD vs Classic
OSC
5h 1m
Moja vs Babymarine
Solar vs TBD
sOs vs goblin
Nice vs INexorable
sebesdes vs Iba
Nicoract vs TBD
NightMare vs TBD
OSC
13h 1m
ReBellioN vs PAPI
Spirit vs TBD
Percival vs TBD
TriGGeR vs TBD
Shameless vs UedSoldier
Cham vs TBD
Harstem vs TBD
RSL Revival
23h 1m
Cure vs SHIN
Reynor vs Zoun
Kung Fu Cup
1d 1h
The PondCast
1d 2h
RSL Revival
1d 23h
Classic vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Maru
Online Event
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
[ Show More ]
BSL Team Wars
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
Cosmonarchy
3 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.